eighsse2
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Of course by the pigeonhole theorem, having 3 guarantees that someone has only 1 and has to start a non-QB at SF, which is pretty cool to single-handedly force.
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QB J.J. McCarthy, MIN (5 Viewers)
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The Vikings brass decided that the best way to build on success is to start from scratch. Genius! Who needs consistency when you can have the thrill of uncertainty every Sunday? I'll give the Vikings brass some credit they drafted JJ. I'm high on JJ. Sam imploded the last 2 games of the season. It's still a risky move letting Sam Walk.
In all honesty Sam Darnold needs to make JJ McCarthy his best man if he ever gets married.
In all honesty Sam Darnold needs to make JJ McCarthy his best man if he ever gets married.
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You mean, just like they did when they let a 45 million dollar Kirk Cousins walk to Atlanta, and signed a 10 million dollar Sam Darnold? A move that allowed them to plow money into a bunch of free agents that helped them to their best season in ages?
Here’s the deal. You either have a Super Bowl caliber quarterback (Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, etc) and you pay him market value, or you keep searching for one. Paying guys like Cousins, Fields, Geno, etc 30+ million per year just puts you in no man’s land. Darnold is in the latter group.
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King of the Jungle
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I like the kid’s mindset, hopefully the pressure of taking over a 14 win team that just let their QB go doesn’t get to him.
I want this guy on my superflex teams pretty much solely due to his HC and surrounding talent. Think I'm going to overpay for him around draft time. I offered Xavier Worthy and Geno for him about a month ago and didn't get a response probably due to the time of the year.
I have the 1.04 and 1.09 picks, also have Geno and Sam Darnold I'd like to unload.
FBG seems to be the lowest on him at 22nd ranked QB, KTC has him at 14, others have him around 16-19. in KOC I trust.
I have the 1.04 and 1.09 picks, also have Geno and Sam Darnold I'd like to unload.
FBG seems to be the lowest on him at 22nd ranked QB, KTC has him at 14, others have him around 16-19. in KOC I trust.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Top 10 seems realistic with his surrounding talent and situation.
He was looking like a natural before he got hurt. He’s done nothing but learn since - and it’s not like he hurt his arm.
He could have some top 5 spikes, but IMO most weeks he’s going to deliver 8-14 range of production. Great QB2 in SF, fantastic best ball QB, perhaps a slightly questionable starter in 1QB format.
I’d love for him to be top 5 though. Non-zero chance. I’d just have to see a lot more of him before I’m ready to be that bold.
Top 5 might be tough unless he's willing to run a decent amount. As a prospect he was a pretty good athlete.
Giving Aaron Jones good money and then trading for and extending Jordan Mason could signal a desire to run the ball more.
Next offseason who is ranked higher between him and Bo NIx?
Hot Sauce Guy
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Depends on development of each. Impossible to say until we see a season out of JJM.
I agree they’ll be a run oriented offense, but I don’t believe it’ll be substantially greater than they have been. Mason was a natural signing after extending Jones. Jones is adept at receiving out of the backfield.
No offense with JJ, Addison, Hock, & AJones is going to stop throwing the ball. Working off of play action is far more likely. We saw JJM effectively taking shots down the field before the injury. I don’t think the Vikings spent a high draft pick on a QB to have him hand it off 30x a game.
The draft will be fascinating since MIN is a pretty complete team - they have the luxury of drafting BPA with specific needs targeted.
rockaction
Footballguy
I honestly think J.J. is. It hurts to type because I just traded him along with a package in a ten-team league for Josh Allen, but J.J. I'm bullish on. Big time. Like to the moon. But I remind myself that I cannot judge quarterbacks in the least and need NFL performance to guide me, so my opinion about McCarthy/Nix should be taken with not just a grain of salt but the whole shaker.
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rockaction
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Philistines unite! You have nothing to lose but your shakers!
zamboni
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rockaction
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Who is KK? There’s Kerry King of Slayer and this sounds familiar for Judas Priest, but my Google is broken today and I can’t fix it (I’m also full of ****).
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InDitkaWeTrust
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With all due respect, I can't imagine a scenario where JJM is ranked higher than Nix after the 2025 season barring major injury. Even then, I think it's still a longshot. Nix had one of the better rookie seasons in recent history, has great coaching and is in a franchise that's starting to add even more talent on the offensive side of the ball. I'd like to see JJM do well for a variety of reasons, but I don't think he'll be ranked higher than Nix going into year 3.
rockaction
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Fair enough. I think Nix regresses as the defensive coordinators start to suss him out and that JJM and KOC rock and roll later in the year after JJM gets his feet under him. Waldman likes to say it takes about two seasons to really judge a guy, so we'll see then. Before that, it's all a matter of talent and adjustments made by the defensive coordinators and then, in turn, by the quarterbacks the DCs have adjusted to.
In this instance, I know people claim they have stats backing up the accuracy and power/rotation of Nix's deep ball, but man, he threw some ducks in the games I watched him. I'm not sold. It's good that he's with a sharp offensive mind like Payton, and he did make some nice throws in those games I saw, but I think JJM has more talent and maybe coaching that is just as efficacious.
I could be very wrong. Like I said, I certainly don't know how to scout NFL quarterbacks, and if I did I'd have a job making millions telling the professional organizations who to select and why. I'd be rolling in it. All I can really do is grunt at the television with a stick and a rock in my hand and say "that play good" or "that play bad," or I trust the experts and their analysis. Like I'm gonna tell Kurt Warner or somebody like that who's good and who's bad, you know? Anyway, if you've worked at this enough to have an informed opinion about it, then kudos to you. All I know is what I see as a layperson, and I don't think that is, in general, enough for an informative breakdown of an NFL QB.
We can revisit this at the end of the year, for sure. Now I feel passionately about my ignorance.
joey
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How about: Denver struggles and misses the playoffs, and the Vikings don’t miss a beat with JJ at QB and finish similarly to last year as a top 2-3 team in the NFC.
I can imagine that scenario pretty easily.
ETA: then again, I’m a Raiders fan, so I imagining scenarios where the Broncos lose is a full time job
Stroud was going as the 1.01 in some superflex startup drafts a year ago precisely because of these same arguments. I can guarantee no one is taking him at 1.01 in startups this year. I'm not saying Nix is the same, just that people are extremely susceptible to recency bias. If he struggles at all and JJM matches Darnold's output, I could easily see JJM jumping Nix.
Hankmoody
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I can, it's easy. JJM looks the part and Nix regresses. 12 months ago people were probably saying the same thing about Drake Maye and CJ Stroud yet here we are with an absolutely legit discussion. JJM has better weapons and an equally great coaching/play calling support. He was (in my mind) a far better prospect than Nix, and he's three years younger. I'd rather have JJM today than Nix - note that doesn't mean I'd pick JJM first, or trade it straight up, I follow the economics of public opinion, but I'd do everything I could to get JJM out of it.
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InDitkaWeTrust
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I get that and respect your opinion. Mine is that Nix has performed at a high level as a rookie. JJM hasn't played at the NFL level except for a partial preseason game. Nix has looked the part, particularly in a very strong defensive division. He may very well regress in year 2, but with Peyton at the helm, I kinda doubt it.
Hankmoody
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I never said that.
Hot Sauce Guy
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No, I said that. I wasn’t implying that you said that. lol
I’m just keeping the conversation going.
TomServo
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Joe-Burrow lite if he gets a WR in the JJ - Chase realm. Nix has a LOT less to work with at WR than JJM.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I think that’s JJM’s upside.
I don’t see DEN getting a WR in that range. Or Addison’s, for that matter. At least not in 2025. Never say never.
I feel like that’s the biggest difference.
InDitkaWeTrust
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What evidence do we have of his ceiling being that high? Seems like quite a stretch to me.
King of the Jungle
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I think the upside opportunity is there for him, obviously a lot to prove. He did look fairly impressive in his one preseason game he played in (not that it means much of anything, but better than nothing). Being positioned in KOC’s offense and connected to the surrounding weaponry certainly presents that opportunity. From all accounts the kid eats, breathes, and lives football. His ability to be mobile is also a plus (assuming fully recovered). Like much of FF, it is speculative projection. However, there are not a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL that have a better offensive environment from coach to players right now. I think the fact that MIN let Darnold go after the year he had tells us that they have enough belief in McCarthy’s ability to move forward with him, and that is enough for me to be excited about his prospects.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I never claimed to have evidence.
It’s just my opinion that he has “Joe burrow-light” upside, based on what I’ve seen of him in college and how natural and comfortable he looked last preseason. Combine that with absurd talent at receiver/TE, and I think his FF upside is “top 8 FF QB”.
When I say “he will definitely be as good as Joe Burrow” then you can ask me for evidence.
eighsse2
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As a McCarthy dynasty owner,
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The Athletic’s Michael Silver reports there is “some uncertainty” about whether Brock Purdy and George Kittle will show up for 49ers voluntary activities on Tuesday.
Both players are seeking a new contract this offseason. Silver reports that Purdy’s attendance could be a bellwether on how far away from a deal he and the 49ers are, with an absence being a sign that the team and player aren’t close at this time. Kittle is “much more of a longshot” as he and the 49ers, per Silver’s reporting, “remain far apart in discussions about a new deal.” The 49ers have tended to drag out contract extensions over the course of their recent offseasons — see Nick Bosa and Brandon Aiyuk for examples — so we wouldn’t be surprised if neither player reported for voluntary work. Hold-ins in training camp are also a possibility.
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C.J. Stroud
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C.J. Stroud said that he’ll be “taking full ownership, running the show” at quarterback this year.
He added that he appreciates that Nick Caley is “giving him that trust already.” It was clear that the Texans had major schematic issues with protections last year and we know that former OC Bobby Slowik had some responsibilities for the center to point to last season. Stroud said that taking control of the “pre-snap” and “having tools to put my guys in the best position” was “something we didn’t really work on the last two years.” Perhaps being in full control of the offense this year will help reduce Stroud’s sack rate in 2025 despite the loss of Laremy Tunsil.
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Vikings HC Kevin O’Connell said J.J. McCarthy is participating in the team’s offseason program with “no limitations.”
It’s great news for McCarthy, who is hoping to rebound from a lost rookie year due to a torn meniscus he suffered in the preseason. O’Connell and the Vikings have long suggested throughout the offseason that McCarthy was trending toward a full return, but his comments on Monday are about as clear a message as we are going to get. While the team has entertained the possibility of bringing in Aaron Rodgers or another quarterback as insurance for McCarthy, their decision to not add to their quarterback room speaks volumes about his progress thus far.
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King of the Jungle
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I am excited to see what this kid can do in this offense. He has a great mentality and has about as good of an offensive situation that you could want for a young quarterback.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if this time next year, we are talking about him being BY FAR the best QB in the NFC North.
Leroy Hoard
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At his current ADP he seems to have a huge upside in that offense.
Biabreakable
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It's ridiculous. QB 23 after Ward? Suuure.
Notice all the arrows are green and pointing up.
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McCarthy was my pick as the 17th QB selected. Pick 122 Bo Nix selected at pick 57.
Rewind to before 2024 season most had McCaffrey ahead of Nix. The only thing that changed is McCarthy got injured and didn't play.
The upside is ridiculous. Take advantage while you can this won't last long.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Been trying. Best I did was traded for him during last year’s draft in my main league.
BLOCKED_PUNT
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I drafted him as mu backup QB in a dispersal draft
greenmountaingoat
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I’m not sure what JJM the player has done that’s so exciting for folks. I understand that the coaching staff and Jefferson are a huge factor.
McCarthy has zero history of being a high volume passer. It’s all projection.
He’s not a runner is he? What is the 75% ceiling outcome? QB 14?
McCarthy has zero history of being a high volume passer. It’s all projection.
He’s not a runner is he? What is the 75% ceiling outcome? QB 14?
Biabreakable
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Mike Clay has him projected as QB 11.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Strong arm, good brain, awesome weapons and the perfect coach.
Darnold posted 4K+ on this team.
In his lone preseason start I saw enough to get excited about JJM. I’ve read he’s bigger/stronger now, and that a year of red-shirting helped him get more familiar with the offense.
I remain excited about JJM, as I would be for any QB throwing to JJ, Addison, & Hock, with AJones to dump off to.
Let’s be real here - if CJ Bethard became the Vikings staring QB, you could probably pencil him in for a 3600/30 season and bet the over. Situations matter, and there are very few (arguably none) better than JJM has in MIN right now.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
That’s interesting. In the past few seasons I’ve looked at Clay’s projections for advice when I’m adjusting mine.
Darnold was top 10 last year, why would the QB who was hand chosen have a 75% ceiling outcome as QB14?
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