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QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (2 Viewers)

JohnnyU said:
Good for fantasy, bad for the NFL because the NFL isn't fantasy.  You can't trust him to be a starter long term.  That could change, but not in the near future IMO.
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Second half of the season he was not even very good for fantasy. I think their schedule worked against him, as in not being in games vs opponents who could get them down and force them to abandon the run game. Still the preferred run heavy approach is a problem going forward. He went from a high floor, high ceiling consistent fantasy producer to a low floor, inconsistent fantasy producer but at least still maintains a high ceiling.

I think he's good enough to be a solid NFL starting QB but by solid I'm talking in the 20's. Great leader, intangibles off the chart,  I think you can win some games with him and he'll help you build a culture but he has his obvious limitations. He's a very likeable guy but I'll go into the off-season with one of my biggest hopes being the Eagles see a chance to upgrade. Just don't see Devonta Smith or Goedert ever coming close to their potential with him as their QB and I'd hate to see that continue to happen.

 
I put this in our Eagles season thread forgot to put it here. I'm friends with a few people in the know especially the Eagles side including one of the national reporters who is a customer at my store and neighbors with a customer/Friend of mine as well. 

Talked to a good friend in the know about the Eagles. The Cliff notes version is the Eagles like Hurts as a person but many still don't see him as the guy. played well enough this year to start next season with lack of better options available but he needs to make a huge jump in his progress to gaurantee he's here past next year. Everyone loves him especially the coaching staff. Lurie likes him for his off the field demeanor as well as the fact financially he's cheap. THey like his intangibles and how he can make a play with his feet. This time last January I was told the Eagles were reluctant to trade Wentz as 70%-75% of the people in Charge didn't see Hurts as a future QB. Tis was confirmed during training camp by former NBCPhilly sports reporter Derrick Gunn who has an in on the team and a few other Eagles people to give more context to this. It doesn't look like much has changed since them 

Heres the long detailed version of this:

Hurts/Sirianni sideline thing: Nick is doing his best to figure out what players take coaching wise. Some tougher some he will talk to privitely. This wasn't the first time Nick has done this to Hurts and he's done at practice and meetings. Brian Johnson the QB coach knowing Hurts dad told Nick that Hurts responds better to tough love coaching and coddling him does nothing.

Hurts and his Future here: This was interesting. They liked the progress of where Hurts is and he said he's done enough to BE THE STARTER GOING INTO 2022. Said the coaching staff loves him and so does Lurie. I asked him his own opinion and if Lurie's love for him was his on field play or financially: He said it sounds like the team has learned from the Wentz/Hurts situation and doesn't want to get into another situation like that. They know they F'd that up big time and no one person is at fault Lurie,Howie,Doug,Carson,Hurts,etc. Hurts didn't do anything to make them desperately NEED TO DRAFT A QB this year (Also didn't rule out them drafting 1 late as a dev back up or one of the top guys if he does well pre draft either) but he also didn't do enough to say he is a future Franchise QB. Believes Lurie likes him more right now for financial reasons and after next year they have more flexibility moving forward and that Hurts still has a lot of area to improve. But they are comfortable with him going into 2022 with for now with Hurts. Was told circumstances and possibilities do come up that can always change stances.

Based on what he's heard he could see Howie moving up and down the draft board the next 2 yrs acquiring a plethora of picks and then using some to move up when needed. Next years draft is a lot more valuable to teams do to a better QB class. Was told a few yrs ago the better the QB class the better value picks have and crazier the trades can get too unless a team is desperate AKA CHI with Trubisky draft. If Howie can get a 1st in '22 for one of the 1st this year expect the Eagles to say yes. They like keeping their options open and if they can get another pick this year out of it too they will. Expect them to invest in the trenches but they also feel they can take risks later with the OL and don't need to reach for guys early because of Jeff Stoutland. At the same time if there's a guy early Stout loves they will listen.

 
JohnnyU said:
Good for fantasy, bad for the NFL because the NFL isn't fantasy.  You can't trust him to be a starter long term.  That could change, but not in the near future IMO.
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Needs to be way more consistent. One read QBs don't last long. Someone brought up this comparison (I was trying to figure out a fair one for him) that his ceiling is probably a Teddy Bridgewater. Not good enough to be a starter for the franchise, good enough to bridge you and a very solid back up. I always thought that was Hurts ceiling but I think he's more Tayrod Taylor then Bridgewater in those terms. I've seen him since college and he hasn't made any OMG huge progressive leaps. I don't take much into the OU stats as that league is a gimmick arena football conference. Its hard to figure out who's real and a fake there at times. 

Hes a great person but like you said he's another great for Fantasy doesn't translate to Real life ball. 

 
menobrown said:
I think he's good enough to be a solid NFL starting QB but by solid I'm talking in the 20's. Great leader, intangibles off the chart,  I think you can win some games with him and he'll help you build a culture but he has his obvious limitations. He's a very likeable guy but I'll go into the off-season with one of my biggest hopes being the Eagles see a chance to upgrade. Just don't see Devonta Smith or Goedert ever coming close to their potential with him as their QB and I'd hate to see that continue to happen.
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This is where I'm at plus with Quiz and hopefully Tyree Jackson comes back healthy the Eagles have a ton of weapons plus 2 speed demons at WR. Their biggest strength they can't even use since Hurts isn't a good deep ball guy so the Eagles are just wasting that side of the talent. I think moving forward they need an Upgrade at QB, keep up with the Run and play action. Go old school Andy Reid with the PA Bootleg deep pass once or twice a game to Smith/Quiz similar to what they did with Desean. 

I had Smith in my one league I won't be returning too my keeper league someone else took him ahead of me. Very frustrating too. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Needs to be way more consistent. One read QBs don't last long. Someone brought up this comparison (I was trying to figure out a fair one for him) that his ceiling is probably a Teddy Bridgewater. Not good enough to be a starter for the franchise, good enough to bridge you and a very solid back up. I always thought that was Hurts ceiling but I think he's more Tayrod Taylor then Bridgewater in those terms. I've seen him since college and he hasn't made any OMG huge progressive leaps. I don't take much into the OU stats as that league is a gimmick arena football conference. Its hard to figure out who's real and a fake there at times. 

Hes a great person but like you said he's another great for Fantasy doesn't translate to Real life ball. 
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As long as he can take over and win a game with his legs he's above Teddy. 

 
Sunday Gravy said:
As long as he can take over and win a game with his legs he's above Teddy. 
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He’s not someone that can come from behind using his arm and that is a huge liability.  He’s behind right now 17-0 In the 2nd qtr and my guess is that they are already beat

 
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JohnnyU said:
He’s not someone that can come from behind using his arm and that is a huge liability.  He’s behind right now 17-0 In the 2nd qtr and my guess is that they are already beat
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Agree. Possible he develops as a passer but right now he's pretty exposed. 

 
Wonder how short the leash will be for Hurts next season. Getting the team to the playoffs assuredly earned him the starting gig to open the year, but he’s going to have to elevate his game beyond running the ball to keep the job.

 
zamboni said:
Wonder how short the leash will be for Hurts next season. Getting the team to the playoffs assuredly earned him the starting gig to open the year, but he’s going to have to elevate his game beyond running the ball to keep the job.
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They probably won't have a better option. Or at least one that has any upside for the future unless they land Pickett or one of the other handful of '22 QB prospects. If they are wise they will do everything that they can to move on from Hurts and get a real QB under center but that's easier said than done. It's just so plainly obvious Hurts is a backup ideally at this level. A good one, for sure, but you're not winning anything with him at QB

 
BoulderBob said:
They probably won't have a better option. Or at least one that has any upside for the future unless they land Pickett or one of the other handful of '22 QB prospects. If they are wise they will do everything that they can to move on from Hurts and get a real QB under center but that's easier said than done. It's just so plainly obvious Hurts is a backup ideally at this level. A good one, for sure, but you're not winning anything with him at QB
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Agreed - I don’t think any rookie would usurp him right away, but even Minshew could push him. 

 
If  you are the Eagles one way or another you either you have to utilize those #1 picks to upgrade QB. If you don't like a QB in this years draft  or see one worth trading for then they need to kick the can and move some of those #1's for what they would view as viable picks to get a QB in the 2023 draft.

Bottom line is those first round picks have to be used to upgrade QB, otherwise if they just add to rest of talent base on team without updgrading QB it's going to be a recipe for medocrity that won't win a championship and likely leaves you to far out in the draft to get a QB you really believe in strongly.

 
I can see him being the starter short-term but they pull off something to get an even better bridge QB or just take a '22 QB just out of necessity. 

 
1. I’m ok with him being the starter next year but I’m not expecting any playoff wins. 
2. Would take Watson if the offer was decent  
3. I’m good if they want to take a Picket/Ridder/Strong but ONLY if they fall. 

Im not locked into any of these. 

 
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Jalen Hurts is horrendous ... one of the top 5 worst QBs in the NFL period! 

Take away his running ... and he is hands down the worst

 
monk said:
Jalen Hurts is horrendous ... one of the top 5 worst QBs in the NFL period! 

Take away his running ... and he is hands down the worst
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Sign me up on this sentiment when they successfully do that. Yeah, he needs work. I have some degree of faith that he can improve.

 
Boone22 said:
Eagles GM Howie Roseman said that Jalen Hurts has earned the 2022 starting quarterback job.
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I will continue to maintain that a franchise which fairly recently labeled themselves as being  a QB factory will not use 3 #1 picks this season and not bring in a potential QB upgrade. 

It's not now or never but in the absence of moving these picks into future years it could legit be a case of it's now or multiple years away before they ever have the proper bounty of draft capital to pursue a top flight QB either by draft or trade.

 
zamboni said:
Wonder how short the leash will be for Hurts next season. Getting the team to the playoffs assuredly earned him the starting gig to open the year, but he’s going to have to elevate his game beyond running the ball to keep the job.
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From a fantasy perspective his numbers were ok in my league, but his highest rated WRs came in at 34 & 88.  DG did come in as TE8. I'm hoping Smith & company get more production next year at the wide receiver position but I'm not holding my breath.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
From a fantasy perspective his numbers were ok in my league, but his highest rated WRs came in at 34 & 88.  DG did come in as TE8. I'm hoping Smith & company get more production next year at the wide receiver position but I'm not holding my breath.
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Unless Sirianni unleashes Hurts in the passing game like he did earlier in the year, the receivers may have their upside capped. And with the failure of Reagor, I'm guessing a more capable receiver will come in as the #2 (or #3 if Goedert is the de facto #2 )either via free agency or the draft. They have a lot of draft capital to improve at the WR position.

 
JALEN HURTS QB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

NBC Sports Philadelphia reports a team has never benched a quarterback 24 years or younger the season after appearing in a playoff game.

That factoid is from longtime Eagles beat Reuben Frank, who found 26 instances of a quarterback aged 24 or younger guiding a team to the playoffs. None were benched. The closest example Frank could find was, unsurprisingly, Tim Tebow, who was 25 when the Broncos pulled the plug in favor of Peyton Manning. Obviously, this stat has no bearing on what the Eagles will ultimately do, but most signs point toward them giving dual-threat Hurts another chance in 2022. 

SOURCE: NBC Sports Philadelphia 

Feb 26, 2022, 3:21 PM ET
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NBC's Reuben Frank reports that the Eagles expect Jalen Hurts (ankle) to be 100% for OTAs.

Hurts underwent ankle surgery on February 2, but he should still get in a full offseason. Hurts is coming off a playoff appearance in his first season as a starter, yet his hold on the starting job looks somewhat tenuous. The dual-threat was clearly slowed by his late-season ankle injury. If he can stay healthy in 2022, he has upside for a step forward in his second full season as a starter. It's possible that the Eagles add competition at the quarterback competition. They would do well to also add talent at wide receiver, with Devonta Smith their only above average weapon on the outside.

SOURCE: Reuben Frank on Twitter

Mar 2, 2022, 12:13 PM ET
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JALEN HURTS QB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni implied the Eagles would remain a run-based offense in 2022. 

"I think you see it many different ways throughout the NFL of how teams get it done," Sirianni said Tuesday at the NFL owners' meetings. "You can be a top-ranked run team. You can be a top-ranked pass team. The main stats that we're always focused on are, 'Did we win the explosive-play battle and did we win the turnover battle?" Sirianni bailed on a balanced offensive approach around midseason last year when it was clear Jalen Hurts would be better utilized as a rusher and the team could use its solid offensive line to bully opponents. The Eagles in 2021 had a league-low 43 percent pass rate, and ran the ball on a stunning 67 percent of their plays while leading in the second half of last season. It left precious little target volume for DeVonta Smith and Dallas Goedert while generating plenty of rushing yards and touchdowns for the team's RBs and Hurts. Hurts, reportedly working on his passing in California this offseason, should be in for another year of plentiful rushing attempts. He had a good chance to finish as fantasy's top-scoring QB before a late-season ankle injury. 

RELATED: 

Miles Sanders

, Nick Sirianni

, Boston Scott

SOURCE: Inquirer.com 

Mar 31, 2022, 10:03 AM ET
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menobrown said:
If  you are the Eagles one way or another you either you have to utilize those #1 picks to upgrade QB. If you don't like a QB in this years draft  or see one worth trading for then they need to kick the can and move some of those #1's for what they would view as viable picks to get a QB in the 2023 draft.
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Good news for Jalen Hurts is he should feel very comfortable it's his job for 2022 but the Eagles did the right here after not being able to get a QB upgrade this off-season.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
1. I’m ok with him being the starter next year but I’m not expecting any playoff wins. 
2. Would take Watson if the offer was decent  
3. I’m good if they want to take a Picket/Ridder/Strong but ONLY if they fall. 

Im not locked into any of these. 
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Finding this interesting. Exactly how good can Strong potentially be? How on earth did he go undrafted?

 
renesauz said:
Finding this interesting. Exactly how good can Strong potentially be? How on earth did he go undrafted?
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Tough to say. There’s stars seemingly every year that fall due to concerning medicals. I’m not saying he’s a star but the arm talent is 100% there, IMO. His range of outcomes could be good/great starter to out of the league in a few years. 

 
Amused to Death said:
Worth mentioning that Hurts has been working with Tom House and 3DQB this offseason. Past clients include Brady, Brees, and Stafford. If Hurts doesn't succeed this season, it won't be from a lack of trying.
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In fairness, Jimmy Garoppolo, Nick Mullens, C.J. Beathard, Josh Rosen, Will Grier, Jake Browning, Brett Rypien and Jacob Eason also went there. Im not criticizing your post at all and it may help Hurts tremendously, but 3DBQ also had clients that werent so successful. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Im not criticizing your post at all and it may help Hurts tremendously, but 3DBQ also had clients that werent so successful
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My take on that was not so much whether or not it helps Hurts but going back to what  Eagles said this off-season that they were confident that Hurts would maximize his potential. I believe that, problem of course may just be Hurts maximum potential.

 
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