QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

They don't need to ask him to do that.
It's just a possibility if Hurts decides to go for godfather deals

I guess I don't get how the Eagles can use that as leverage if they aren't willing to put it on the table and it's an option. I mean they can do it but it's also the kind of thing that can cause a rift between the 2 sides. I have faith Philly and Hurts will come to a deal both sides are happy with. I think it is a well run team and I doubt Hurts wants something way out of line with market value but who knows. I would have the thought Lamar and the Ravens would have got something done much earlier as well.

Lamar was his own agent. Little different.
Also the eagles never even need to mention those possibilities. It's quite obvious to everyone involved.

 

[Qammy]

Hurts made the Eagles worse? Just a ridiculous opinion.

Put Dak, Jacoby Brissett, Kirk Cousins, Tannehill, Goff on the Eagles and they are going to and losing the SB
Put Burrow, Mahomes , Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert and of course Brady, Rogers and Russell Wilson ... Eagles win the SB

Have Mahomes and Hurts switch teams ... Eagles win the SB and KC gets eliminated by Jacksonville and or Cincy

And you know this how?

We both do

 

[Ilov80s]

We all concede Mahomes is better than Hurts. Mahomes is better than just about every QB who has ever played. So what?

 

[ffmail4me]

On a side note, God, I can't believe the eagles have two 1sts in this draft. Someone sure did something right in that front office to build this team.

They have been nothing short of amazing with their trades and recent draft selections. Miami has also done extremely well lately.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Hurts made the Eagles worse? Just a ridiculous opinion.

Put Dak, Jacoby Brissett, Kirk Cousins, Tannehill, Goff on the Eagles and they are going to and losing the SB
Put Burrow, Mahomes , Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert and of course Brady, Rogers and Russell Wilson ... Eagles win the SB

Have Mahomes and Hurts switch teams ... Eagles win the SB and KC gets eliminated by Jacksonville and or Cincy

And you know this how?

We both do

You don't need to form opinions for me. This is your opinion (hot take). I think Jalen is a pretty good QB. Time will tell if he can become elite and play with the type of consistency as guys like Mahomes and Burrow. I'm not sold on that yet but I certainly put him above guys like Daniel Jones (can't believe you even included him in that list), current 45 year old Brady and current version of Russell Wilson. But you're welcome to your opinion. You were just posting as if it were fact.

 

[Qammy]

Hurts made the Eagles worse? Just a ridiculous opinion.

Put Dak, Jacoby Brissett, Kirk Cousins, Tannehill, Goff on the Eagles and they are going to and losing the SB
Put Burrow, Mahomes , Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert and of course Brady, Rogers and Russell Wilson ... Eagles win the SB

Have Mahomes and Hurts switch teams ... Eagles win the SB and KC gets eliminated by Jacksonville and or Cincy

And you know this how?

We both do

You don't need to form opinions for me. This is your opinion (hot take). I think Jalen is a pretty good QB. Time will tell if he can become elite and play with the type of consistency as guys like Mahomes and Burrow. I'm not sold on that yet but I certainly put him above guys like Daniel Jones (can't believe you even included him in that list), current 45 year old Brady and current version of Russell Wilson. But you're welcome to your opinion. You were just posting as if it were fact.

I'd take Jones ove Hurts in a heartbeat ... Put Jones on that team and he'd put elite #'s ... They put up very similar #'s with every different rosters

PFF Final Oline Rankings - PHI #1 (all Season) GIA #30 (down 2)
WRs - Hmmm lets see Aj Brown (1st rd) and Smith (1st Rd) vs Slayton (5th rd) and Richies James (7th rd)
TE's - Goedert (2nd) vs Bellinger (4th)

Now lets be fair ... this is quite a difference in talent ... Giants have 1 Olineman that would make the Eagles roster, Slayton might make it as a 3rd or 4th WRs

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Market Value on Spotrac
$44M+ annually
6yrs/$265M is the market projection for a contract

They lowballed him on the annual amount and he'd be a fool to take that many years, even if you guaranteed it all.

He's coming in over Murray and Wilson. He's likely a $50M a year player with 65-70% guaranteed. It's just a matter of the structure and years.

FYI...MoP not a cheapskate on player salaries, they deserve whatever they can squeeze but I also blame a few GMs and owners for pushing this market a little faster than it should have risen.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Antagonize him? I'm pretty sure they can figure out a way to make the guy happy without paying top dollar when they don't need to, and without antagonizing him.
On the flip side, giving him the world when they have the contractual leverage might blow up his head like a balloon and he might not be the same guy.
The extension will be huge, but acting like his 2023 salary won't matter for these negotiations is silly.

Please explain what exactly would be a fair offer to a 24 year old MVP runner up QB that doesn't involve paying top dollar? Why are we worrying about his ego ballooning when he is paid and then him not playing well? I don't think I have ever heard that argument presented as a reason not to sign a star QB.

I could be way off but I didn't get the vibe that Ghostguy was trying to assert his POV that Hurts shouldn't get paid.
It came across more like he was trying to measure the leverage either side had in this and the early persuaders had him saying Hurts does not have a leg to stand on, I tend to disagree.
The market is what is wielding all the power right now, The QB market sky rocketing. I remember when QBs first got $25M a season, wasn't very long ago at all.

 

[Terpman22]

Market Value on Spotrac
$44M+ annually
6yrs/$265M is the market projection for a contract

They lowballed him on the annual amount and he'd be a fool to take that many years, even if you guaranteed it all.

He's coming in over Murray and Wilson. He's likely a $50M a year player with 65-70% guaranteed. It's just a matter of the structure and years.

FYI...MoP not a cheapskate on player salaries, they deserve whatever they can squeeze but I also blame a few GMs and owners for pushing this market a little faster than it should have risen.

Fair point here, but also that the fact there is now a rookie wage scale in place where teams were just strapping themselves way too much to unproven talent before at QB. Seems to me it balances out somewat in this sense. Also, every GM has the ability or will to try to structure deals in ways that if it blows up (hello carson wentz) you can get out of it easier. For sure some desperate teams like the Browns also have messed this up to a degree as well.

 

[menobrown]

Market Value on Spotrac
$44M+ annually
6yrs/$265M is the market projection for a contract

They lowballed him on the annual amount and he'd be a fool to take that many years, even if you guaranteed it all.

He's coming in over Murray and Wilson. He's likely a $50M a year player with 65-70% guaranteed. It's just a matter of the structure and years.

FYI...MoP not a cheapskate on player salaries, they deserve whatever they can squeeze but I also blame a few GMs and owners for pushing this market a little faster than it should have risen.

I hear you and I'm not really here pushing for his pay one way or the other it's just pretty much assumed that QB pay goes up as the cap goes up.

Watson's guarantees look like a one off based on his unusual leverage but I feel like Kyler Murray is an ideal starting point. Now starting from that point Hurts has more leverage then Kyler did this time last year mainly because the 5th year option on Kyler is a lot less expensive then the first year franchise tag that Hurts would see in year 5. Then factor in on field play, team success and finally looking at fact salary and pay goes up.

So again just looking at variables such as leverage, play, team success, higher cap and Murray was at $46.5M I just don't think it's reasonable that Hurts would take less and not more.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Market Value on Spotrac
$44M+ annually
6yrs/$265M is the market projection for a contract

They lowballed him on the annual amount and he'd be a fool to take that many years, even if you guaranteed it all.

He's coming in over Murray and Wilson. He's likely a $50M a year player with 65-70% guaranteed. It's just a matter of the structure and years.

FYI...MoP not a cheapskate on player salaries, they deserve whatever they can squeeze but I also blame a few GMs and owners for pushing this market a little faster than it should have risen.

I hear you and I'm not really here pushing for his pay one way or the other it's just pretty much assumed that QB pay goes up as the cap goes up.

Watson's guarantees look like a one off based on his unusual leverage but I feel like Kyler Murray is an ideal starting point. Now starting from that point Hurts has more leverage then Kyler did this time last year mainly because the 5th year option on Kyler is a lot less expensive then the first year franchise tag that Hurts would see in year 5. Then factor in on field play, team success and finally looking at fact salary and pay goes up.

So again just looking at variables such as leverage, play, team success, higher cap and Murray was at $46.5M I just don't think it's reasonable that Hurts would take less and not more.

Murray got $189M guaranteed, think his signing bonus was $29M.
I don't think the Eagles will blink on a 5yr/$250M deal, what they might be able to do is give Hurts a very healthy signing bonus. Stafford got $60M but a very different deal from Los Angeles last year. Maybe Hurts could go with a bigger signing bonus that Philly can spread out over 5 yrs and then have a slightly lower yearly salary. Not many yearly salaries are over $40M right now even if the avg per year is North, much of it comes in the forms of different roster bonuses.

Year 4 though of Hurts, think that salary of $4M is honored just like QBs taken in the 1st round, Burrow will play for his Year 4 salary and that's how it begins to count against the cap, the signing bonus might be $50M but that can be spread out over the years of the cap.

Bottom line is Philly is going to be fine in 2023, no matter what Hurts gets paid, things might look different in 2024 and 2025 but the cap is rising a lot. Philly has 2 first round picks at their disposal and other players will see what Hurts is getting paid and probably want some adjustments made to theirs.

 

[Insein]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

 

[ghostguy123]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

 

[Insein]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

 

[ghostguy123]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

Not pay that, that's what.

 

[Deamon]

Hurts made the Eagles worse? Just a ridiculous opinion.

Put Dak, Jacoby Brissett, Kirk Cousins, Tannehill, Goff on the Eagles and they are going to and losing the SB
Put Burrow, Mahomes , Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert and of course Brady, Rogers and Russell Wilson ... Eagles win the SB

Have Mahomes and Hurts switch teams ... Eagles win the SB and KC gets eliminated by Jacksonville and or Cincy

And you know this how?

We both do

You don't need to form opinions for me. This is your opinion (hot take). I think Jalen is a pretty good QB. Time will tell if he can become elite and play with the type of consistency as guys like Mahomes and Burrow. I'm not sold on that yet but I certainly put him above guys like Daniel Jones (can't believe you even included him in that list), current 45 year old Brady and current version of Russell Wilson. But you're welcome to your opinion. You were just posting as if it were fact.

Don't take anything he says seriously. He's on full troll mode. He said Philly needs to draft a QB in the first this year and move on from Hurts.
ETA: Read page 16 of this thread for a good laugh

 

[Insein]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

Not pay that, that's what.

And who are they starting at QB next year?

 

[ghostguy123]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

Not pay that, that's what.

And who are they starting at QB next year?

Jones. At much less than 45 million per year

 

[Insein]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

Not pay that, that's what.

And who are they starting at QB next year?

Jones. At much less than 45 million per year

Top 8 salaries are currently $40m+. Salaries don't go down as cap space increases. Dimes is getting at least $40m per

 

[Qammy]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

Not pay that, that's what.

And who are they starting at QB next year?

They will Franchise him @ $32m with an option to Franchise him again in 2024 @ $38.4

 

[ghostguy123]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Jones isn't getting that

What are the Giants going to do?

Not pay that, that's what.

And who are they starting at QB next year?

Jones. At much less than 45 million per year

Top 8 salaries are currently $40m+. Salaries don't go down as cap space increases. Dimes is getting at least $40m per

Anything is possible I guess. But no

 

[JetMaxx]

Hurts showed out on the biggest stage.

Eagles fans’ passion is fresh meat for worthless trolling.

 

[Qammy]

Hurts showed out on the biggest stage.

Eagles fans’ passion is fresh meat for worthless trolling.

One incredible catch after another ... 31 teams in the league are drooling over that pass protection and those WRs.
AJ Brown literally 50 yards downfield and there is not a defender within 5 yards of Hurts who is sitting in the most beautiful pocket I've ever seen.
Welcome to QB heaven !!

 

[Terpman22]

Hurts showed out on the biggest stage.

Eagles fans’ passion is fresh meat for worthless trolling.

One incredible catch after another ... 31 teams in the league are drooling over that pass protection and those WRs.
AJ Brown literally 50 yards downfield and there is not a defender within 5 yards of Hurts who is sitting in the most beautiful pocket I've ever seen

Weird how AJ Brown put up a career year this year, by a wide margin. I'm sure its b/c the offensive line lol.

 

[Qammy]

Hurts showed out on the biggest stage.

Eagles fans’ passion is fresh meat for worthless trolling.

One incredible catch after another ... 31 teams in the league are drooling over that pass protection and those WRs.
AJ Brown literally 50 yards downfield and there is not a defender within 5 yards of Hurts who is sitting in the most beautiful pocket I've ever seen

Weird how AJ Brown put up a career year this year, by a wide margin. I'm sure its b/c the offensive line lol.

Not when you consider it's the first full season that he's ever played, and the first time he's ever had a #1 WR along side of him. Not Surprising at all that he had the 2nd lowest catch % of his career despite all that ... Hurts is not the most accurate QB as you know

 

[Terpman22]

Hurts showed out on the biggest stage.

Eagles fans’ passion is fresh meat for worthless trolling.

One incredible catch after another ... 31 teams in the league are drooling over that pass protection and those WRs.
AJ Brown literally 50 yards downfield and there is not a defender within 5 yards of Hurts who is sitting in the most beautiful pocket I've ever seen

Weird how AJ Brown put up a career year this year, by a wide margin. I'm sure its b/c the offensive line lol.

Not when you consider it's the first full season that he's ever played, and the first time he's ever had a #1 WR along side of him. Not Surprising at all that he had the 2nd lowest catch % of his career despite all that ... Hurts is not the most accurate QB as you know

You do you buddy. Where do you think Jalen Hurts comes in the Top 100 NFL Players as voted by the players? Something you have not answered yet, despite your hot take opinions....

 

[IHEARTFF]

ignore user is a function of this website
just sayin

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

 

[Qammy]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

 

[Qammy]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

 

[Terpman22]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Cant be both

 

[Qammy]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

 

[eighsse2]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

 

[Qammy]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

I never said Tua will not be starting in 2023 ... I said no one is going to give Tua $50m a year with the injury and concussion concerns that he has. If he plays 17 concussion free games in 2023 that could change but if he is concussed again in 2023 ... it's game over.

MoP on the other hand said "Concussions or not, Tua is not taking the field for $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie contract

 

[eighsse2]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

I never said Tua will not be starting in 2023 ... I said no one is going to give Tua $50m a year with the injury and concussion concerns that he has. If he plays 17 concussion free games in 2023 that could change but if he is concussed again in 2023 ... it's game over.

MoP on the other hand said "Concussions or not, Tua is not taking the field for $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie contract

Oh, okay. Sorry, haven't been following along too closely. Yeah $50M/yr would be a lot for the guy, considering.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

I never said Tua will not be starting in 2023 ... I said no one is going to give Tua $50m a year with the injury and concussion concerns that he has. If he plays 17 concussion free games in 2023 that could change but if he is concussed again in 2023 ... it's game over.

MoP on the other hand said "Concussions or not, Tua is not taking the field for $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie contract

Oh, okay. Sorry, haven't been following along too closely. Yeah $50M/yr would be a lot for the guy, considering.

He's pulling numbers out of the air
He also takes what you say and changes it

-I will not move off my stance that Tua will not play for $4M next season, no agent would let him take the field
-His 5th Year Option is close to $25M, that's guaranteed.

-Nobody said $50M a year but it's gonna be a lot more than $4M, that's how I feel. It would be a complete 180 from everything we hear from the Miami Dolphins

All players play out their rookie deals or the base salaries even when they are extended after just 36 months. The signing bonus will go straight into their bank account but the Year 1 salary of the new deal does not take effect until the end of Year 4. And that's assuming they are aren't 1st Rd and the 5th year option utilized which a lot of teams do.

 

[Terpman22]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

I never said Tua will not be starting in 2023 ... I said no one is going to give Tua $50m a year with the injury and concussion concerns that he has. If he plays 17 concussion free games in 2023 that could change but if he is concussed again in 2023 ... it's game over.

MoP on the other hand said "Concussions or not, Tua is not taking the field for $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie contract

Oh, okay. Sorry, haven't been following along too closely. Yeah $50M/yr would be a lot for the guy, considering.

He's pulling numbers out of the air
He also takes what you say and changes it

-I will not move off my stance that Tua will not play for $4M next season, no agent would let him take the field
-His 5th Year Option is close to $25M, that's guaranteed.

-Nobody said $50M a year but it's gonna be a lot more than $4M, that's how I feel. It would be a complete 180 from everything we hear from the Miami Dolphins

All players play out their rookie deals or the base salaries even when they are extended after just 36 months. The signing bonus will go straight into their bank account but the Year 1 salary of the new deal does not take effect until the end of Year 4. And that's assuming they are aren't 1st Rd and the 5th year option utilized which a lot of teams do.

You could have easily just googled all this

 

[Deamon]

Hurts is not the most accurate QB as you know

He's 11th in completion percentage of all QB's.

Of the Qb's that played more than 12 games, he ranked only behind:

Geno
Burrow
Herbert
Jones
Mahomes
Brady
Dalton.

He's in the upper tier of completion percentage but okay.

 

[Qammy]

Hurts is not the most accurate QB as you know

He's 11th in completion percentage of all QB's.

Of the Qb's that played more than 12 games, he ranked only behind:

Geno
Burrow
Herbert
Jones
Mahomes
Brady
Dalton.

He's in the upper tier of completion percentage but okay.

You just dont get it do you ... He had the best Oline in the NFL and the Best 2xWR and TE combo in the NFL !!!!!!!!!
He Should be #1 not middle of the pack !

 

[Qammy]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

I never said Tua will not be starting in 2023 ... I said no one is going to give Tua $50m a year with the injury and concussion concerns that he has. If he plays 17 concussion free games in 2023 that could change but if he is concussed again in 2023 ... it's game over.

MoP on the other hand said "Concussions or not, Tua is not taking the field for $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie contract

Oh, okay. Sorry, haven't been following along too closely. Yeah $50M/yr would be a lot for the guy, considering.

He's pulling numbers out of the air
He also takes what you say and changes it

-I will not move off my stance that Tua will not play for $4M next season, no agent would let him take the field
-His 5th Year Option is close to $25M, that's guaranteed.

-Nobody said $50M a year but it's gonna be a lot more than $4M, that's how I feel. It would be a complete 180 from everything we hear from the Miami Dolphins

All players play out their rookie deals or the base salaries even when they are extended after just 36 months. The signing bonus will go straight into their bank account but the Year 1 salary of the new deal does not take effect until the end of Year 4. And that's assuming they are aren't 1st Rd and the 5th year option utilized which a lot of teams do.

So you are saying that Tua will sit out the season if MIA doesn't exercise his 5th year option? Is that even a thing that other players have done? Would Tua have to payback his signing bonus or at least the $4,894,625 portion of it allocated to year 4 ???

Also you said that Jones and Hurts getting $45M-$50M is bad news for MIA because Tua is going to get paid

 

[Terpman22]

Daniel Jones just switched agents and told the Giants $45m per year isn't enough. He's delusional but he might get it. Hurts isn't getting less than $50m per year.

Donald Duck Voice: "Oh my Gawd!"

Bad news for Miami which IMHO has the most challenging 36 month clock on a Rookie deal at QB
Tua is going to get paid, i've been telling this to my Miami buds around here in the team thread, mostly falls on deaf ears. they think he will play out for the $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie deal he received back in 2020.

Concussions or not, he is not taking the field for $4M
But this is the Jalen hurts thread and I don't want to start a full on hi-jack

Not sure if you are following but ... there are serious questions about Tua's future. Lot of people think he should retire now before he has no choice (i.e. his next concussion)
There is no way in the world that Miami or any team in the NFL is going to pay a guy who is one hit to the head away from forced retirement, $40-50 Million a year.
It would be irresponsible for the team and for Tua's health

Who are a lot of people?
Coach Mike McD, Owner Stephen Ross, GM Chris Grier, what people are talking up his retirement?
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, other Miami Dolphins? What people that are in this on a day to day basis?
His parents, wife and family? What people are talking about him having no choice?
The doctors who work on Tua? They must be the people saying he must retire...no?

A lot of people is just a few talking heads on ESPN/TV that if they had it their way the NFL would be shut down tomorrow.
I haven't heard a single person in the Miami offices or anyone on the team payroll talk about Tua having to sit out in 2023.
The other people are just voices on social media platforms. There's a concussion protocol and he's cleared it and when '23 starts, he'll be the Week 1 starter.
Will he make it Week 17? Difficult to predict but the track history in recent years is not good going back to college.

Who are a lot of people?
Google it ...there probably a couple of hundred articles and polls all over the internet. Some Doctors some not.
The guy get concussed if a bug lands on helmet ... I dont need Coach Mike McD to tell me anything.
The Next concussion that Tua get's will likely be the last that he gets in the NFL.
He hasnt come close to completing a full season in the last 4 years dating back to Bama ... No one who wants to keep their job is going to give him $50m knowing his injury history.

LOL, not a single source? Its weird to bring info like this and then tell others "google it" But ok.

Too much to post ... but here are some opinions

"He may have to retire", "He's done" - Tua Tagovailoa concussion update has NFL fans concerned about QB's life

Tua Tagovailoa has had a whirlwind of a season. He suffered multiple concussions during the season, while taking hits and ensuring that the Miami Dolphins qualified for the playoffs.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tua Tagovailoa should retire from NFL, 'Concussion' doctor says

Dr. Bennet Omalu, who inspired the 2015 film "Concussion" for his discovery of CTE, believes Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire from the NFL.

www.foxnews.com

So one uninvolved doctor's opinion and an array of NFL fans. There are no guarantees on what is going to happen, but if I had to put $1,000 today on "Will Tua start week 1 in 2023?" at 50/50 odds, it's easily going on "yes", and these links are not persuading me toward "no" in the slightest.

I never said Tua will not be starting in 2023 ... I said no one is going to give Tua $50m a year with the injury and concussion concerns that he has. If he plays 17 concussion free games in 2023 that could change but if he is concussed again in 2023 ... it's game over.

MoP on the other hand said "Concussions or not, Tua is not taking the field for $4M that is left on the 4yr/$30M rookie contract

Oh, okay. Sorry, haven't been following along too closely. Yeah $50M/yr would be a lot for the guy, considering.

He's pulling numbers out of the air
He also takes what you say and changes it

-I will not move off my stance that Tua will not play for $4M next season, no agent would let him take the field
-His 5th Year Option is close to $25M, that's guaranteed.

-Nobody said $50M a year but it's gonna be a lot more than $4M, that's how I feel. It would be a complete 180 from everything we hear from the Miami Dolphins

All players play out their rookie deals or the base salaries even when they are extended after just 36 months. The signing bonus will go straight into their bank account but the Year 1 salary of the new deal does not take effect until the end of Year 4. And that's assuming they are aren't 1st Rd and the 5th year option utilized which a lot of teams do.

So you are saying that Tua will sit out the season if MIA doesn't exercise his 5th year option? Is that even a thing that other players have done? Would Tua have to payback his signing bonus or at least the $4,894,625 portion of it allocated to year 4 ???

Also you said that Jones and Hurts getting $45M-$50M is bad news for MIA because Tua is going to get paid

I don't think he is saying that. He might hold out though right? Its not as black as white as you are attempting to paint it here with the "Play under this current contract or sit out the year"
NFL teams don't let players sit out anymore, other than Leveon Bell. And its a QB. Despite his injury history if the hand was forced, there would be a market for him via trade. Now lets stick to Jalen Hurts in the Jalen Hurts thread please.

 

[Faust]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

One less cheap rookie contract out there. When they are good the bargain window gets smaller.

 

[Qammy]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

Hurts isnt just his last name ... it's what he is going to do to the Eagle salary cap

 

[Terpman22]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

One less cheap rookie contract out there. When they are good the bargain window gets smaller.

While you are correct, The Eagles already have guys coming back on discounts citing Jalen's leadership as a reason. Not everyone is a complete jerk like AR12 and once the high cap numbers are there its less likely to get good free agents to sign with you team.

 

[Terpman22]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

Hurts isnt just his last name ... it's what he is going to do to the Eagle salary cap

You forgot who is running the show in Philly. This isn't Dallas or Washington who are so bad at the salary cap they actually have been penalized for trying to skirt the rules in the past.


His Name Is Howie Roseman. His Name Is Howie Roseman.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

Hurts isnt just his last name ... it's what he is going to do to the Eagle salary cap

You forgot who is running the show in Philly. This isn't Dallas or Washington who are so bad at the salary cap they actually have been penalized for trying to skirt the rules in the past.


His Name Is Howie Roseman. His Name Is Howie Roseman.

Heard an interesting point on the radio the other day about Hurts contract. Hurt's agent is Nicole Lynn, the first black female to represent an NFL quarterback. Her career, reputation and future potential clients are on the line with this contract. The NFLPA and all the other agents representing players will scrutinize this contract like no other.

Another issue to look out for is guaranteed money. If Hurts, Burrow and Hebert all get the Deshaun Watson-type all guaranteed contracts, the future contract landscape of the position will be forever altered. Going to be interesting.

ETA: In another thread there was research being done on the type of contract QBs have that win the Superbowl. The sweet spot contract was around 14% of the salary cap which would be about a $33M cap hit this year. If Philly can keep Hurts cap hit in the $30M area, they should be fine. The total money paid out is irrelevant, I trust Howie to work the numbers to keep the cap hit down.

 

[Terpman22]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

Hurts isnt just his last name ... it's what he is going to do to the Eagle salary cap

You forgot who is running the show in Philly. This isn't Dallas or Washington who are so bad at the salary cap they actually have been penalized for trying to skirt the rules in the past.


His Name Is Howie Roseman. His Name Is Howie Roseman.

Heard an interesting point on the radio the other day about Hurts contract. Hurt's agent is Nicole Lynn, the first black female to represent an NFL quarterback. Her career, reputation and future potential clients are on the line with this contract. The NFLPA and all the other agents representing players will scrutinize this contract like no other.

Another issue to look out for is guaranteed money. If Hurts, Burrow and Hebert all get the Deshaun Watson-type all guaranteed contracts, the future contract landscape of the position will be forever altered. Going to be interesting.

ETA: In another thread there was research being done on the type of contract QBs have that win the Superbowl. The sweet spot contract was around 14% of the salary cap which would be about a $33M cap hit this year. If Philly can keep Hurts cap hit in the $30M area, they should be fine. The total money paid out is irrelevant, I trust Howie to work the numbers to keep the cap hit down.

I don't think the cap hit, once the contract is done will be too bad this or next year. I'm hoping they structure it in a way that when the cap goes up, the cap hits will be less and less %, which seems like an obvious thing to do.

I agree with the sentiment of all eyes on this agent for her future business and this needs to get done before Burrow/Herbert IMO