QB Jared Goff, DET (2 Viewers)

[Da Guru]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

Meowwwwww.

Jared Goff, superstar. LOL. Pay him if he gets you a title or at least proves he can get you close before treating him like a stud. It's very risky to give the semi-talented guys a bunch of money. Not good for the ol' salary cap.

Jared Goff is still Jared Goff. His limitations didn't go away. Goff has done a nice job this season, but he's got a ton of help (more than any QB in the league). That makes a HUGE difference with the kind of stats you can put up. Let's not get this guy confused with the top QBs in the game.

Detroit has the best offensive/defensive combination of talent in the league. If Goff is actually a top QB, there's no way in hell they don't win the championship this season. Make him prove he can overcome his limitations.

The NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. The Lions should cakewalk to the Super Bowl and face whoever comes through the much tougher AFC. BTW, I'll certainly give Goff his props if he gets it done.

You keep saying that. But you never say who could replace Goff at this point in time, and play at the same level in a winning window that the Lions are in right now. Those windows open and close fast in the NFL. Just look at Joe Burrow and Cinci. And Burrow is not available. Injuries and other teams derail teams fast in this league.

Dak? Dak is the highest paid QB in NFL and making 8-10 million a year more than Goff, he does not run anymore and has never won anything.

Lawrence? Lawrence makes more than Goff and is going backwards.

Love? Love makes more than Goff and shown potential for big plays and big mistakes. Herbert makes more than Goff. Has not won anything but has potential and it not available.

Jackson? Making 8 million a year less than Dak and is twice the QB. Not available.

Tua? Makes more than Goff. Never won and is one hit away from a nursing home.

Josh Allen, not available.

Mahomes has been worth every penny of his deal. Nobody disputes that.

Then you have all the young guys drafted high. Young and Richardson who look like busts, Stroud has been up and down this year, Williams has potential, Daniels looks like he is for real. Then you have the retreads.

The bottom line is anyone who is perceived better than Goff can`t be had.

Most of us never said he was the top QB, just asking who could have replaced him at this point in time when Lions are ready to win? If you have seen Hooker play you know it is not him. Derek Carr? Gardner Minshew? Jamies Winston? Mason Rudolph? Those are the guys who probably can be had.

Goff has had the highest 5 week span of passer rating and completion % in NFL history.

I do agree QB contracts seem out of line but it is the same for all the teams, just look at Prescotts. That deal looks horrible now as Dak is getting older and slower by the year. But that is the market.

 

[Chaka]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

Meowwwwww.

Jared Goff, superstar. LOL. Pay him if he gets you a title or at least proves he can get you close before treating him like a stud. It's very risky to give the semi-talented guys a bunch of money. Not good for the ol' salary cap.

Jared Goff is still Jared Goff. His limitations didn't go away. Goff has done a nice job this season, but he's got a ton of help (more than any QB in the league). That makes a HUGE difference with the kind of stats you can put up. Let's not get this guy confused with the top QBs in the game.

Detroit has the best offensive/defensive combination of talent in the league. If Goff is actually a top QB, there's no way in hell they don't win the championship this season. Make him prove he can overcome his limitations.

The NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. The Lions should cakewalk to the Super Bowl and face whoever comes through the much tougher AFC. BTW, I'll certainly give Goff his props if he gets it done.

You keep saying that. But you never say who could replace Goff at this point in time, and play at the same level in a winning window that the Lions are in right now. Those windows open and close fast in the NFL. Just look at Joe Burrow and Cinci. And Burrow is not available. Injuries and other teams derail teams fast in this league.

Dak? Dak is the highest paid QB in NFL and making 8-10 million a year more than Goff, he does not run anymore and has never won anything.

Lawrence? Lawrence makes more than Goff and is going backwards.

Love? Love makes more than Goff and shown potential for big plays and big mistakes. Herbert makes more than Goff. Has not won anything but has potential and it not available.

Jackson? Making 8 million a year less than Dak and is twice the QB. Not available.

Tua? Makes more than Goff. Never won and is one hit away from a nursing home.

Josh Allen, not available.

Mahomes has been worth every penny of his deal. Nobody disputes that.

Then you have all the young guys drafted high. Young and Richardson who look like busts, Stroud has been up and down this year, Williams has potential, Daniels looks like he is for real. Then you have the retreads.

The bottom line is anyone who is perceived better than Goff can`t be had.

Most of us never said he was the top QB, just asking who could have replaced him at this point in time when Lions are ready to win? If you have seen Hooker play you know it is not him. Derek Carr? Gardner Minshew? Jamies Winston? Mason Rudolph? Those are the guys who probably can be had.

Goff has had the highest 5 week span of passer rating and completion % in NFL history.

I do agree QB contracts seem out of line but it is the same for all the teams, just look at Prescotts. That deal looks horrible now as Dak is getting older and slower by the year. But that is the market.

Surprised you took the bait.

Goff is legit. Not many have played better over the last three and a half seasons.

I think only Lamar is playing on Goff's level this season.

 

[Da Guru]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

Meowwwwww.

Jared Goff, superstar. LOL. Pay him if he gets you a title or at least proves he can get you close before treating him like a stud. It's very risky to give the semi-talented guys a bunch of money. Not good for the ol' salary cap.

Jared Goff is still Jared Goff. His limitations didn't go away. Goff has done a nice job this season, but he's got a ton of help (more than any QB in the league). That makes a HUGE difference with the kind of stats you can put up. Let's not get this guy confused with the top QBs in the game.

Detroit has the best offensive/defensive combination of talent in the league. If Goff is actually a top QB, there's no way in hell they don't win the championship this season. Make him prove he can overcome his limitations.

The NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. The Lions should cakewalk to the Super Bowl and face whoever comes through the much tougher AFC. BTW, I'll certainly give Goff his props if he gets it done.

You keep saying that. But you never say who could replace Goff at this point in time, and play at the same level in a winning window that the Lions are in right now. Those windows open and close fast in the NFL. Just look at Joe Burrow and Cinci. And Burrow is not available. Injuries and other teams derail teams fast in this league.

Dak? Dak is the highest paid QB in NFL and making 8-10 million a year more than Goff, he does not run anymore and has never won anything.

Lawrence? Lawrence makes more than Goff and is going backwards.

Love? Love makes more than Goff and shown potential for big plays and big mistakes. Herbert makes more than Goff. Has not won anything but has potential and it not available.

Jackson? Making 8 million a year less than Dak and is twice the QB. Not available.

Tua? Makes more than Goff. Never won and is one hit away from a nursing home.

Josh Allen, not available.

Mahomes has been worth every penny of his deal. Nobody disputes that.

Then you have all the young guys drafted high. Young and Richardson who look like busts, Stroud has been up and down this year, Williams has potential, Daniels looks like he is for real. Then you have the retreads.

The bottom line is anyone who is perceived better than Goff can`t be had.

Most of us never said he was the top QB, just asking who could have replaced him at this point in time when Lions are ready to win? If you have seen Hooker play you know it is not him. Derek Carr? Gardner Minshew? Jamies Winston? Mason Rudolph? Those are the guys who probably can be had.

Goff has had the highest 5 week span of passer rating and completion % in NFL history.

I do agree QB contracts seem out of line but it is the same for all the teams, just look at Prescotts. That deal looks horrible now as Dak is getting older and slower by the year. But that is the market.

Surprised you took the bait.

Goff is legit. Not many have played better over the last three and a seasons.

I know. FJ says he is a Cowboy fan but never says anything about Daks contract. Has about 5 comments total on Dak and 5 pages on Goff.

 

[Chaka]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

Meowwwwww.

Jared Goff, superstar. LOL. Pay him if he gets you a title or at least proves he can get you close before treating him like a stud. It's very risky to give the semi-talented guys a bunch of money. Not good for the ol' salary cap.

Jared Goff is still Jared Goff. His limitations didn't go away. Goff has done a nice job this season, but he's got a ton of help (more than any QB in the league). That makes a HUGE difference with the kind of stats you can put up. Let's not get this guy confused with the top QBs in the game.

Detroit has the best offensive/defensive combination of talent in the league. If Goff is actually a top QB, there's no way in hell they don't win the championship this season. Make him prove he can overcome his limitations.

The NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. The Lions should cakewalk to the Super Bowl and face whoever comes through the much tougher AFC. BTW, I'll certainly give Goff his props if he gets it done.

You keep saying that. But you never say who could replace Goff at this point in time, and play at the same level in a winning window that the Lions are in right now. Those windows open and close fast in the NFL. Just look at Joe Burrow and Cinci. And Burrow is not available. Injuries and other teams derail teams fast in this league.

Dak? Dak is the highest paid QB in NFL and making 8-10 million a year more than Goff, he does not run anymore and has never won anything.

Lawrence? Lawrence makes more than Goff and is going backwards.

Love? Love makes more than Goff and shown potential for big plays and big mistakes. Herbert makes more than Goff. Has not won anything but has potential and it not available.

Jackson? Making 8 million a year less than Dak and is twice the QB. Not available.

Tua? Makes more than Goff. Never won and is one hit away from a nursing home.

Josh Allen, not available.

Mahomes has been worth every penny of his deal. Nobody disputes that.

Then you have all the young guys drafted high. Young and Richardson who look like busts, Stroud has been up and down this year, Williams has potential, Daniels looks like he is for real. Then you have the retreads.

The bottom line is anyone who is perceived better than Goff can`t be had.

Most of us never said he was the top QB, just asking who could have replaced him at this point in time when Lions are ready to win? If you have seen Hooker play you know it is not him. Derek Carr? Gardner Minshew? Jamies Winston? Mason Rudolph? Those are the guys who probably can be had.

Goff has had the highest 5 week span of passer rating and completion % in NFL history.

I do agree QB contracts seem out of line but it is the same for all the teams, just look at Prescotts. That deal looks horrible now as Dak is getting older and slower by the year. But that is the market.

Surprised you took the bait.

Goff is legit. Not many have played better over the last three and a seasons.

I know. FJ says he is a Cowboy fan but never says anything about Daks contract. Has about 5 comments total on Dak and 5 pages on Goff.

Jealousy can be ugly.

 

[Zeppelin]

Reminds me of the trolling in the Gibbs thread last year.

 

[Football Jones]

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

 

[Zeppelin]

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

It's trolling when you troll.

 

[Chaka]

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

It's trolling when you troll.

Yeah. Eventually this "debate" leads to "HE'S NOT AS GOOD AS MAHOMES!!! SO THERE!!!"

 

[Leroy Hoard]

LOL at A-rod getting to the SB. Not just a troll, but a totally clueless one to boot.

But hey, how bout dem Cowboys?

 

[Football Jones]

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

It's trolling when you troll.

You’re the one in the minority. Many other people (especially non-Lions fans) agree with me about ol’ Jared. Goff isn’t a top QB and that’s ok. It’s hard to be even a decent QB in the NFL so he’s got that going for him. Bottom line, Goff has limitations and deficiencies (non-negotiable). He needs “handling” and that, too, is ok.

The only thing I’ll add is sometimes the excitement of a great season (at least so far) makes you say things you wouldn’t normally say. Detroit has been a clown show for so long that the “fever” is understandable. That said, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realize that Goff isn’t a top NFL QB (or FF QB for that matter).

 

[Football Jones]

LOL at A-rod getting to the SB. Not just a troll, but a totally clueless one to boot.

But hey, how bout dem Cowboys?

Settle down, lol. To be clear, I’m not predicting it.

I said it would be very entertaining…and I would be right.

 

[Chaka]

Sometimes people don't realize when they're on the hook.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Sometimes people don't realize when they're on the hook.

And others just enjoy messing with bad fishermen.

 

[Football Jones]

Sometimes people don't realize when they're on the hook.

And others just enjoy messing with bad fishermen.

Sure thing, lol.

Goff being touted as a top QB by mostly Lions fans? Who woulda thunk it…

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Same old tired takes. Get yerself some new material Cowboys fan.

 

[Chaka]

Sometimes people don't realize when they're on the hook.

And others just enjoy messing with bad fishermen.

I was referring to the other guy.

 

[Chaka]

Sometimes people don't realize when they're on the hook.

And others just enjoy messing with bad fishermen.

Sure thing, lol.

Goff being touted as a top QB by mostly Lions fans? Who woulda thunk it…

Right on cue.

I respect your timing.

 

[Football Jones]

Same old tired takes. Get yerself some new material Cowboys fan.

I get it. I mean, Goff is your starter and the Lions are having a great season. It only makes sense that Detroit fans are going to fall in love…and you know what they say (love is blind). In this case, though, you simply don’t have enough support for your opinion to say I’m the outlier. My take on Goff isn’t bold, at all.

Over time, if your team continues to do well, you guys will settle down and look at things more objectively. I see these kinds of things all the time with fans when teams finally start turning it around after a long drought (in all sports). The “fever” is real.

 

[TartanLion]

I’m going to wade in here and take what might seem like a slightly unexpected stance. Plot twist !!

I do actually think there is SOME credence to what @Football Jones is saying, but somewhere along the way this whole convo got very twisted up.

As long as I’ve been following NFL I’ve believed that people underestimate external factors such as coaches/play schemes/roster talent as it pertains to rating QBs. Its the type of thing that had me arguing with people until I was blue in the face about their underrating of Stafford when he never once had a run game, credible OC or decent line with the Lions. Some of the people I’d see above him in yearly QB rankings were just utterly laughable. Goff clearly is enjoying the fruits of having what might be the best Oline in the league and maybe the best OC in the league. The benefit of that cannot be overstated. To back @Football Jones up .. is he definitively a top 8 QB in the league ? I don’t know but probably not. The other way around it’s the reason why I personally believe Herbert IS potentially a top level QB.. he’s just never had the correct things around him. How good would Herbert be on the Lions ?? Does Goff have the individual skill to carry a team over the line himself like a Mahomes ? Or the top level mind of Brady to do the same ? Probably not.

BUT !!!

No one declared he was a proper top level QB in reply to him

He never offered a reasonable alternative as to what the Lions should do instead

It IS feasible that Goff has increased his level and reaching something close to his prime right now. Players do get better. QBs relying less on physical traits can reach their primes early to mid 30s. Goff is doing incredibly well even taking into account his team advantages. He might be one of the most top level QBs in the league in terms of his calmness under pressure and situation where he will still just continue making the easy passes his OC creates for him. That CAN be enough.

And it is true that Goff did take them close last year. Does the conference final where he was clearly not at fault for the loss count ??

At the start this back and forth did have some credence either way but it all got lost

 

[Football Jones]

I’m going to wade in here and take what might seem like a slightly unexpected stance. Plot twist !!

I do actually think there is SOME credence to what @Football Jones is saying, but somewhere along the way this whole convo got very twisted up.

As long as I’ve been following NFL I’ve believed that people underestimate external factors such as coaches/play schemes/roster talent as it pertains to rating QBs. Its the type of thing that had me arguing with people until I was blue in the face about their underrating of Stafford when he never once had a run game, credible OC or decent line with the Lions. Some of the people I’d see above him in yearly QB rankings were just utterly laughable. Goff clearly is enjoying the fruits of having what might be the best Oline in the league and maybe the best OC in the league. The benefit of that cannot be overstated. To back @Football Jones up .. is he definitively a top 8 QB in the league ? I don’t know but probably not. The other way around it’s the reason why I personally believe Herbert IS potentially a top level QB.. he’s just never had the correct things around him. How good would Herbert be on the Lions ?? Does Goff have the individual skill to carry a team over the line himself like a Mahomes ? Or the top level mind of Brady to do the same ? Probably not.

BUT !!!

No one declared he was a proper top level QB in reply to him

He never offered a reasonable alternative as to what the Lions should do instead

It IS feasible that Goff has increased his level and reaching something close to his prime right now. Players do get better. QBs relying less on physical traits can reach their primes early to mid 30s. Goff is doing incredibly well even taking into account his team advantages. He might be one of the most top level QBs in the league in terms of his calmness under pressure and situation where he will still just continue making the easy passes his OC creates for him. That CAN be enough.

And it is true that Goff did take them close last year. Does the conference final where he was clearly not at fault for the loss count ??

At the start this back and forth did have some credence either way but it all got lost

BTW, legit question, Detroit fans…let’s say you guys don’t win a title by the time Hooker is a FA in ‘27…and let’s say Goff still has those nice stats…do you let Hook walk?

I believe Hook has a higher ceiling. I’m not saying he’d immediately be better, but long-term, it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to say he could give them a better chance at a title.

So what do you do in ‘27 without a title?

 

[travdogg]

I think only Lamar is playing on Goff's level this season.

Really? Not even Daniels?

 

[travdogg]

I’m going to wade in here and take what might seem like a slightly unexpected stance. Plot twist !!

I do actually think there is SOME credence to what @Football Jones is saying, but somewhere along the way this whole convo got very twisted up.

As long as I’ve been following NFL I’ve believed that people underestimate external factors such as coaches/play schemes/roster talent as it pertains to rating QBs. Its the type of thing that had me arguing with people until I was blue in the face about their underrating of Stafford when he never once had a run game, credible OC or decent line with the Lions. Some of the people I’d see above him in yearly QB rankings were just utterly laughable. Goff clearly is enjoying the fruits of having what might be the best Oline in the league and maybe the best OC in the league. The benefit of that cannot be overstated. To back @Football Jones up .. is he definitively a top 8 QB in the league ? I don’t know but probably not. The other way around it’s the reason why I personally believe Herbert IS potentially a top level QB.. he’s just never had the correct things around him. How good would Herbert be on the Lions ?? Does Goff have the individual skill to carry a team over the line himself like a Mahomes ? Or the top level mind of Brady to do the same ? Probably not.

BUT !!!

No one declared he was a proper top level QB in reply to him

He never offered a reasonable alternative as to what the Lions should do instead

It IS feasible that Goff has increased his level and reaching something close to his prime right now. Players do get better. QBs relying less on physical traits can reach their primes early to mid 30s. Goff is doing incredibly well even taking into account his team advantages. He might be one of the most top level QBs in the league in terms of his calmness under pressure and situation where he will still just continue making the easy passes his OC creates for him. That CAN be enough.

And it is true that Goff did take them close last year. Does the conference final where he was clearly not at fault for the loss count ??

At the start this back and forth did have some credence either way but it all got lost

BTW, legit question, Detroit fans…let’s say you guys don’t win a title by the time Hooker is a FA in ‘27…and let’s say Goff still has those nice stats…do you let Hook walk?

I believe Hook has a higher ceiling. I’m not saying he’d immediately be better, but long-term, it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to say he could give them a better chance at a title.

So what do you do in ‘27 without a title?

Hooker will be like 30 by then.

 

[Da Guru]

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

I asked you an honest question. At this point in time, in this 1-3 year win now window what QB could the Lions have that is available and better?

No good franchise QB is ever available. Even the mid level franchise QBs like Tua, Prescott, Lawrence, QBs like that are tied up for years. Half the young guys at QB are busts. The backup Hendon Hooker is a couple years from being a winning QB if ever.

So who should the Lions have gone with over Goff?

 

[Football Jones]

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

I asked you an honest question. At this point in time, in this 1-3 year win now window what QB could the Lions have that is available and better?

No good franchise QB is ever available. Even the mid level franchise QBs like Tua, Prescott, Lawrence, QBs like that are tied up for years. Half the young guys at QB are busts. The backup Hendon Hooker is a couple years from being a winning QB if ever.

So who should the Lions have gone with over Goff?

I’ve already spoken to this numerous times. They didn’t have to go get a different QB. They have a very good QB prospect waiting in the wings. From what I hear, Holmes loves him. They also didn’t have to pay Goff. What was he going to do…hold out? Did they do it out of loyalty? To give him confidence? What was the rush? So they save a little money if he commands a bigger contract by winning them a title. It’s way better to have as much data as possible to make your decision on. It’s the same mistake the Cowboys made.

Goff may not have what it takes to help crown Detroit. Maybe he can’t do it with several tries. There was absolutely no reason to put that much trust into a guy that most people believe is at least one tier away from a top QB.

As far as Hooker, who says he needs two more years to be good? You don’t know that. Hook is 26 now, but 30 years old is irrelevant for a QB. He’d still have tons of career left. A lot of people like myself believe he’s got a higher ceiling than Goff. Hook certainly would stress the D much more with his combination of running ability and arm strength.

Goff has a long way to go to get Detroit their first Super Bowl win. That said, the Lions clearly have the most talent. We’ll see what happens.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Lions fans getting cocky and defensive and overly sensitive is something I did not see coming at all.
Just 1 man’s dumb opinion

 

[Da Guru]

I’m going to wade in here and take what might seem like a slightly unexpected stance. Plot twist !!

I do actually think there is SOME credence to what @Football Jones is saying, but somewhere along the way this whole convo got very twisted up.

As long as I’ve been following NFL I’ve believed that people underestimate external factors such as coaches/play schemes/roster talent as it pertains to rating QBs. Its the type of thing that had me arguing with people until I was blue in the face about their underrating of Stafford when he never once had a run game, credible OC or decent line with the Lions. Some of the people I’d see above him in yearly QB rankings were just utterly laughable. Goff clearly is enjoying the fruits of having what might be the best Oline in the league and maybe the best OC in the league. The benefit of that cannot be overstated. To back @Football Jones up .. is he definitively a top 8 QB in the league ? I don’t know but probably not. The other way around it’s the reason why I personally believe Herbert IS potentially a top level QB.. he’s just never had the correct things around him. How good would Herbert be on the Lions ?? Does Goff have the individual skill to carry a team over the line himself like a Mahomes ? Or the top level mind of Brady to do the same ? Probably not.

BUT !!!

No one declared he was a proper top level QB in reply to him

He never offered a reasonable alternative as to what the Lions should do instead

It IS feasible that Goff has increased his level and reaching something close to his prime right now. Players do get better. QBs relying less on physical traits can reach their primes early to mid 30s. Goff is doing incredibly well even taking into account his team advantages. He might be one of the most top level QBs in the league in terms of his calmness under pressure and situation where he will still just continue making the easy passes his OC creates for him. That CAN be enough.

And it is true that Goff did take them close last year. Does the conference final where he was clearly not at fault for the loss count ??

At the start this back and forth did have some credence either way but it all got lost

BTW, legit question, Detroit fans…let’s say you guys don’t win a title by the time Hooker is a FA in ‘27…and let’s say Goff still has those nice stats…do you let Hook walk?

I believe Hook has a higher ceiling. I’m not saying he’d immediately be better, but long-term, it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to say he could give them a better chance at a title.

So what do you do in ‘27 without a title?

Lol. It’s always trolling when Motowners don’t agree with your opinion. Besides, it’s really not a hot take. Goff is rarely listed as a top QB by others (except Lions fans). That’s because he’s a poor athlete without a particularly good deep ball and mediocre arm talent. Goff’s best attribute is he’s accurate with the short stuff. Is he a decent QB? Sure. Is he a top QB? No.

The Lions do a good job of hiding his limitations and not exposing him. Being ahead in games the vast majority of time really helps a guy like Goff who thrives on not losing games. That works when you have the most talent. Goff has nice stats because he has more help than anyone in the league. BTW, Dak is one of the reasons I mentioned the risky nature of giving a bag to the semi-talented guys.

Good luck, Detroit. I’m rooting for you guys to make the Bowl. I’m undecided on who I want to win the title, though. A 3-peat by KC would be awesome and A-Rod somehow getting there would be very entertaining.

I asked you an honest question. At this point in time, in this 1-3 year win now window what QB could the Lions have that is available and better?

No good franchise QB is ever available. Even the mid level franchise QBs like Tua, Prescott, Lawrence, QBs like that are tied up for years. Half the young guys at QB are busts. The backup Hendon Hooker is a couple years from being a winning QB if ever.

So who should the Lions have gone with over Goff?

I’ve already spoken to this numerous times. They didn’t have to go get a different QB. They have a very good QB prospect waiting in the wings. From what I hear, Holmes loves him. They also didn’t have to pay Goff. What was he going to do…hold out? Did they do it out of loyalty? To give him confidence? What was the rush? So they save a little money if he commands a bigger contract by winning them a title. It’s way better to have as much data as possible to make your decision on. It’s the same mistake the Cowboys made.

Goff may not have what it takes to help crown Detroit. Maybe he can’t do it with several tries. There was absolutely no reason to put that much trust into a guy that most people believe is at least one tier away from a top QB.

As far as Hooker, who says he needs two more years to be good? You don’t know that. Hook is 26 now, but 30 years old is irrelevant for a QB. He’d still have tons of career left. A lot of people like myself believe he’s got a higher ceiling than Goff. Hook certainly would stress the D much more with his combination of running ability and arm strength.

Goff has a long way to go to get Detroit their first Super Bowl win. That said, the Lions clearly have the most talent. We’ll see what happens.

No team has to pay any QB. Cowboys could have let Prescott play out this year. Then it would be "Lame Duck QB" If teams want to win now they never do with a lame duck HC or QB.

I will be honest. When Lions got Goff I am thinking one and done and draft a QB. Justin Fields was the only one there and Lions passed and took Sewell who will be a HOF tackle when all is said and done. Will Levis has a cannon..can`t play. Richardson and Young have cannons..can`t play. The NFL trash heap is loaded with strong arms and good runners.

I wanted Lions to draft Fields, great arm, strong runner, everything you want in a QB. Yet there was one thing missing. Fields can`t figure out the NFL game, can`t process, can`t read defenses, Da Bears literally gave him away and Steelers have already lost faith in him. Fields is basically a Taysom Hill.

That is what sets Goff apart and makes up for whatever he lacks mobility wise. When Tom Brady and Orlovsky sing his praises about how fast he processes and reads defenses he must bo OK. Strahan and Howie said the same thing. They know more than I do. Goff did something the last 5 weeks that no QB in NFL history has done.

And that is why I am not a GM.

 

[Faust]

Lance Zierlein
Jared Goff over his last 6 games:
Record: 6-0
Total offensive TDs: 28
Total incompletions: 26

Pass TDs/INTs: 13-1
YPA: 10.28
Comp: 82%

Goff has become an efficiency machine and the Lions are so well-balanced that they have become extrely tough to slow.

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[Uncle Leo]

He needs Jamo for the big plays. We fantasy players need more big plays from him.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Well…..

 

[VikingFrog]

Well…..

The Lions won despite him.

Which as a Vikings fan I have no leg to stand on to say that.

 

[kutta]

Well…..

This game will only make this team better down the stretch.

 

[TwinTurbo]

That was one of their most resiliant wins ever from the Lions and Goff. We knew the Texans were going to be a tough out and they still found a way to win. There may be other top QBs with a "higher ceiling" but I really love him with this team in Detroit and wouldn't want anyone else. Let's see where they go from here.

 

[BassNBrew]

Thank goodness my league doesn’t deduct for Ints

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff produced his 10th fourth-quarter comeback and 11th game-winning drive for the Lions.

In the process, he passed Bobby Layne for second place in franchise history in each respective category.

(will never catch Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD.)

 

[Football Jones]

Obviously, Goff isn't as bad as he looked last night, but it should be evident to everyone he's a game manager. He'll still be a game manager if he happens to help the Lions win a Super Bowl. That said, Goff is a decent QB. At best, he's a stat-compiler due to having the most help in the league at his position.

Can Goff actually bring Detroit a title? Possibly, but not likely. He needs a productive running game or he'll be vulnerable against playoff Ds and top DCs like Spags. In their favor, the NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. They SHOULD make the Bowl.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Scoreboard

 

[Terpman22]

Not many guys get a W tossing 5 INTs but this guy did!

 

[Zeppelin]

Scoreboard

And resiliency that is off the charts.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Obviously, Goff isn't as bad as he looked last night, but it should be evident to everyone he's a game manager. He'll still be a game manager if he happens to help the Lions win a Super Bowl. That said, Goff is a decent QB. At best, he's a stat-compiler due to having the most help in the league at his position.

Can Goff actually bring Detroit a title? Possibly, but not likely. He needs a productive running game or he'll be vulnerable against playoff Ds and top DCs like Spags. In their favor, the NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. They SHOULD make the Bowl.

The phrase “game manager” brings a negative connotation imo. Goff plays well within his system, which is not a bad thing. This is not his first year playing well (or the first team he has achieved good play with). People can pick him apart all they want, but he is good enough to lead our team and give us a chance to win any game. I don’t think anyone here is picking him as the best QB in the league, and frankly it doesn’t really matter. Quarterback is the hardest position in sports, look how Mahomes has played this year.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
After throwing 5 interceptions against zone coverage through the first three quarters, Jared Goff completed 6 of his 8 attempts against zone in the 4th quarter for 79 yards and a touchdown, helping the Lions secure a Week 10 comeback win over the Texans.

Goff was also 3 of 4 for 50 yards and a TD on play action passes in the 4th quarter, after completing just 2 of his 8 such attempts to start the game.

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[FarFromHome]

Takes a certain type of mental strength to have a game like that and just step up on that final drive. If you could bottle that up and give to Will Levis we would have something. Its that intangible skill set that the NFL combine doesn't measure. Not everyone has it. Well done buddy.

 

[-jb-]

Jared Goff produced his 10th fourth-quarter comeback and 11th game-winning drive for the Lions.

In the process, he passed Bobby Layne for second place in franchise history in each respective category.

(will never catch Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD.)

I'm sorry for your loss, @BobbyLayne

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Jared Goff produced his 10th fourth-quarter comeback and 11th game-winning drive for the Lions.

In the process, he passed Bobby Layne for second place in franchise history in each respective category.

(will never catch Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD.)

I'm sorry for your loss, @BobbyLayne

He seems to be taking it remarkably well.

 

[Da Guru]

Obviously, Goff isn't as bad as he looked last night, but it should be evident to everyone he's a game manager. He'll still be a game manager if he happens to help the Lions win a Super Bowl. That said, Goff is a decent QB. At best, he's a stat-compiler due to having the most help in the league at his position.

Can Goff actually bring Detroit a title? Possibly, but not likely. He needs a productive running game or he'll be vulnerable against playoff Ds and top DCs like Spags. In their favor, the NFC hasn't been this weak in a long time. They SHOULD make the Bowl.

I think all Lions fans know Goff has some limitations as do all QBs not named Mahomes, Jackson and Burrow most of the time. Some QBs limitations are physical, most are not developing the mental mindset for the NFL game. Goff did not play good but had a tipped pass INT defender made a great play on first drive, arm hit from behind INT, and a meaningless hail mary. Had one where the DB made a good play and one really bad INT.

Can Goff bring a title? Who knows as that is elusive to 31 teams when all is said and done. All I know is Brad Holmes who right now is probably the best GM in the NFL thinks Goff gives the Lions the best chance to win in this window.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The organization is 100% behind Goff. Everyone from GM, HC, OC to his teammates have confidence in him. Goff has confidence in himself.

The fan base and everyone else is irrelevant.

 

[Chaka]

Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD

0 Playoff wins
0 NFCCGs

ETA: With the Lions

 

[nysfl2]

Tough to get a lot of 4th quarter comebacks or GWDs when you're up by 2 tds going in

 

[FarFromHome]

Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD

0 Playoff wins
0 NFCCGs

No kidding? Stafford has ZERO playoff wins. Damn

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD

0 Playoff wins
0 NFCCGs

No kidding? Stafford has ZERO playoff wins. Damn

I believe he was quoting Stafford's 12 year record with the Lions.

 

[Chaka]

Stafford - 31 4QC and 38 GWD

0 Playoff wins
0 NFCCGs

No kidding? Stafford has ZERO playoff wins. Damn

I believe he was quoting Stafford's 12 year record with the Lions.

Yes, I was.