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QB Joe Milton, DAL (2 Viewers)

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- 6'5'' 235
- Bazooka Arm - one of the strongest the NFL has ever seen
- 4.5ish 40

In 14 starts and some mop up duty for Hendon Hooker across his last two years at Tennessee, Milton put up:

- 65% completions on 485 attempts
- 8.8 Y/A, 9.8 AY/A
- 37 TDs (30 passing)
- 5 INT + 2 FL
- 491 yrds rushing on 4.0 YPC

Eye Test - Huge Pass

This dude seems like Anthony Richardson lite. Yet while AR15 went top 5 last year, Milton gets almost zero love this, and is being projected as a 5th rounder?!? I get that he's very raw as a passer. But I still sense a huge diamond in the rough here.
 
I haven't heard good things.

When people talk of him playing another position, they perk up and are positive.
I've heard more n more of Hooker because of Milton and I really have high expectations for the forgotten Hooker.

I'd rather trade for Malik Willis than draft Milton. Re OP, he's just as freaky athletic as Richardson.
 
In 14 starts and some mop up duty for Hendon Hooker across his last two years at Tennessee, Milton put up:

- 65% completions on 485 attempts
- 8.8 Y/A, 9.8 AY/A
- 37 TDs (30 passing)
- 5 INT + 2 FL
- 491 yds rushing at 4.0 YPC

Let's compare the above Bazooka stats to AR15's final season at Florida, when he played 12 games as the established starter:

- 54% completions on 327 attempts
- 7.8 Y/A, 7.6 AY/A
- 26 TDs (17 passing)
- 9 INT + 2 FL
- 654 yds rushing at 6.3 YPC

:stalker:

Raw stats without context, Milton was objectively the better passer across all measures, gross and avg. Both played in the SEC, albeit one year apart, so not sure how much strength of opponent played a role. Also, I know Tennessee's system was QB friendly - no idea how Florida's compared, but obviously this could be a huge differentiator.

Either way, given the similarly freakish physical comps, I am super curious to see where and when Milton lands this weekend. And not-so-quietly hoping it's in Vegas somehow.
 
@Anarchy99 is the Michael Bishop end of half offense coming back?
I doubt it. From what I have heard about Milton, he can throw the ball out of the stadium, but he is very unrefined, hasn't fully picked up on reading defenses, and needs a ton of further development. I can't see them having him active on game day just in case they need a 70-yard Hail Mary. I would guess he ends up on the practice squad all season (unless other QBs get hurt, in which case he would be the "in case of emergency, break glass" QB).
 
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Ben Volin of the The Boston Globe is behind a lot of this Milton will start over Maye hype…Boston is blessed with some excellent media with regard to football…Greg Bedard, Phil Perry, Tom Curran, Andrew Callahan, Mike Reiss and Mike Giardi are all legit and what is nice is they are all different types of reporters…on the other hand I consider Ben Volin a joke…he has no business being in the Boston market…he is not good enough and I don’t take him seriously.
 
@Anarchy99 is the Michael Bishop end of half offense coming back?
I doubt it. From what I have heard about Milton, he can throw the ball out of the stadium, but he is very unrefined, hasn't fully picked up on reading defenses, and needs a ton of further development. I can't see them having him active on game day just in case they need a 70-yard Hail Mary. I would guess he ends up on the practice squad all season (unless other QBs get hurt, in which case he would be the "in case of emergency, break glass" QB).
He’s not good at all imo. He’s got a big arm but played in that silly Tennessee offense. Also he played like 6 years in college so he got a lot of experience but I’ve never ever been impressed.
 
@Anarchy99 is the Michael Bishop end of half offense coming back?
I doubt it. From what I have heard about Milton, he can throw the ball out of the stadium, but he is very unrefined, hasn't fully picked up on reading defenses, and needs a ton of further development. I can't see them having him active on game day just in case they need a 70-yard Hail Mary. I would guess he ends up on the practice squad all season (unless other QBs get hurt, in which case he would be the "in case of emergency, break glass" QB).
He’s not good at all imo. He’s got a big arm but played in that silly Tennessee offense. Also he played like 6 years in college so he got a lot of experience but I’ve never ever been impressed.

He looks the part in a big way...so far everyone has been blown away by the body and the arm...especially the arm as former pros like Zolak and Fauria almost can't believe the gun he has...but I don't think that should surprise anyone because in a vacuum those two things are elite and always have been...that being said he has not shown he can do too much with those gifts...I have zero issues with using a 6th-rounder on him as the gamble is worth it but I think the upside will be a backup QB who MAYBE they can trade for a draft pick in a few years...short-term as far as making the team he's competing with Zappe for the #3 slot...my guess is he wins that battle because Zappe doesn't have a great rep and Milton probably won't sneak thru to the practice squad (which would probably be the best case scenario for the Pats if they could do it).
 
@Anarchy99 is the Michael Bishop end of half offense coming back?
I doubt it. From what I have heard about Milton, he can throw the ball out of the stadium, but he is very unrefined, hasn't fully picked up on reading defenses, and needs a ton of further development. I can't see them having him active on game day just in case they need a 70-yard Hail Mary. I would guess he ends up on the practice squad all season (unless other QBs get hurt, in which case he would be the "in case of emergency, break glass" QB).
He’s not good at all imo. He’s got a big arm but played in that silly Tennessee offense. Also he played like 6 years in college so he got a lot of experience but I’ve never ever been impressed.

He looks the part in a big way...so far everyone has been blown away by the body and the arm...especially the arm as former pros like Zolak and Fauria almost can't believe the gun he has...but I don't think that should surprise anyone because in a vacuum those two things are elite and always have been...that being said he has not shown he can do too much with those gifts...I have zero issues with using a 6th-rounder on him as the gamble is worth it but I think the upside will be a backup QB who MAYBE they can trade for a draft pick in a few years...short-term as far as making the team he's competing with Zappe for the #3 slot...my guess is he wins that battle because Zappe doesn't have a great rep and Milton probably won't sneak thru to the practice squad (which would probably be the best case scenario for the Pats if they could do it).
I saw Zappe had zero snaps the other day. I'd say he's fourth by that. What do you think?
 
@Anarchy99 is the Michael Bishop end of half offense coming back?
I doubt it. From what I have heard about Milton, he can throw the ball out of the stadium, but he is very unrefined, hasn't fully picked up on reading defenses, and needs a ton of further development. I can't see them having him active on game day just in case they need a 70-yard Hail Mary. I would guess he ends up on the practice squad all season (unless other QBs get hurt, in which case he would be the "in case of emergency, break glass" QB).
He’s not good at all imo. He’s got a big arm but played in that silly Tennessee offense. Also he played like 6 years in college so he got a lot of experience but I’ve never ever been impressed.

He looks the part in a big way...so far everyone has been blown away by the body and the arm...especially the arm as former pros like Zolak and Fauria almost can't believe the gun he has...but I don't think that should surprise anyone because in a vacuum those two things are elite and always have been...that being said he has not shown he can do too much with those gifts...I have zero issues with using a 6th-rounder on him as the gamble is worth it but I think the upside will be a backup QB who MAYBE they can trade for a draft pick in a few years...short-term as far as making the team he's competing with Zappe for the #3 slot...my guess is he wins that battle because Zappe doesn't have a great rep and Milton probably won't sneak thru to the practice squad (which would probably be the best case scenario for the Pats if they could do it).
I saw Zappe had zero snaps the other day. I'd say he's fourth by that. What do you think?

Here is what I think the overall picture is based on everything I am hearing:

*Brissett-he looks good and should be the starter at the beginning of the year...he's doing exactly what they hoped he would do when they signed him...being a solid bridge QB with leadership skills who knows his role and has been very good with the young QBs.

*Maye-already been discussed...as advertised...looks the part at times but definitely needs to be developed as he is raw...still a month before the season starts but right now it doesn't appear he is going to be fast-tracked, especially with Brissett playing well and a very leaky O-line...he will be the starter at some point this year.

*Joe Milton-can look like Superman but he is a project...I can't see him not being on this team somehow, someway...you knew what you were getting with him when you took him in the 6th round and he has probably over-delivered so far but the best-case/most realistic scenario is they continue to develop him this year and he is one of their backups next year.

*Zappe-with Maye and Milton in town I guess his physical limitations are being magnified way more than when he was on the field with Mac...he also doesn't have the greatest reputation as a teammate and not sure they trust him to be comfortable knowing his role with the youngsters around...I have read a few times his bad body language at practice can be very noticeable...what he does having going for him for now is if Brissett were to get hurt in preseason or in one of the first games I'm not sure the Pats want to go to Maye yet so oddly enough Zappe could be a better option in that scenario since he has starting experience.

Overall Brissett and Maye are set in stone...Milton will be here but I don't think they can get him thru to the practice squad so there is a good chance he's your #3...so while Zappe is the odd man out they could actually try to keep him around for a little while but my guess is he eventually ends up with another team and then will bounce around to multiple teams after that.
 
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He’s not good at all imo. He’s got a big arm but played in that silly Tennessee offense.

Can you elaborate on what's "silly"? It's up tempo with little substitution or rest between plays. But that's lots of college football today. For the offense itself, what was silly?
 

Ben Volin of the The Boston Globe is behind a lot of this Milton will start over Maye hype…Boston is blessed with some excellent media with regard to football…Greg Bedard, Phil Perry, Tom Curran, Andrew Callahan, Mike Reiss and Mike Giardi are all legit and what is nice is they are all different types of reporters…on the other hand I consider Ben Volin a joke…he has no business being in the Boston market…he is not good enough and I don’t take him seriously.

We want to be kind here and not shred people but insight like this is super helpful. Lots of times "reports" will come out and it helps a ton to have context from someone familiar with the market. I've seen him forever but don't have a strong take on Volin. And of course, the Globe is one of the top papers in the country.

Do you feel it's more a thing where he's chasing the wild story and giving it too much credit?
 
If only he had some sort of "in" with the head coach. Like maybe they went to the same school... ;)

And no, I don't think that will matter. Mayo and the Patriots will put the guy out there who gives them the best chance to win.
 

Volin:
I realize I made some waves on Tuesday when I said Joe Milton outplayed Drake Maye through the first week of camp, which I stand by.Three practices later, Maye has clearly separated from Milton. Maye is making more plays and is looking much more comfortable in the offense
 

Ben Volin of the The Boston Globe is behind a lot of this Milton will start over Maye hype…Boston is blessed with some excellent media with regard to football…Greg Bedard, Phil Perry, Tom Curran, Andrew Callahan, Mike Reiss and Mike Giardi are all legit and what is nice is they are all different types of reporters…on the other hand I consider Ben Volin a joke…he has no business being in the Boston market…he is not good enough and I don’t take him seriously.

We want to be kind here and not shred people but insight like this is super helpful. Lots of times "reports" will come out and it helps a ton to have context from someone familiar with the market. I've seen him forever but don't have a strong take on Volin. And of course, the Globe is one of the top papers in the country.

Do you feel it's more a thing where he's chasing the wild story and giving it too much credit?

Honestly I think a lot of it is a talent issue...he's just not that good...guys like Bedard and Giardi know the game/x's and o's in a big way and I trust their eyes...Curran is as wired-in as anyone, has been around forever and is very comfortable in his skin...Reiss doesn't pretend to be an x's and o's guy but is beyond well-liked and you can always trust anything he says is legit and not done for clicks...Perry and Callahan are always well-measured and they always backup anything they are saying with substance...Volin doesn't know the game 1/2 as well as many guys on this board and I think in a saturated media market like Boston he tries to carve out a role for himself by being different and no one is really buying it with him...as for the Globe it used to be ground zero for sports coverage back-in-the-day with legends like Gammons, Will McDonough, Bob Ryan, Jackie MacMullen and many others but IMO it is somewhat irrelevant with regard to the Boston sports landscape...it still has cache with certain crowds but for those who really know their stuff they are not going to the Globe to get their info.

IMO the two best places to get info are NBCsports-Boston with Perry and Curran (free one) and Boston Sports Journal (pay site) with Bedard and Giardi.
 
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Volin:
I realize I made some waves on Tuesday when I said Joe Milton outplayed Drake Maye through the first week of camp, which I stand by.Three practices later, Maye has clearly separated from Milton. Maye is making more plays and is looking much more comfortable in the offense

Translation...I got ahead of myself trying to be different and after listening to people who really know the game and are more methodical in their approach I am changing my tune.
 
It's also worth noting, Mayo has zero reason (or track record) to do anything wild.

Belichick or Andy Reid can do something against the grain and one can point to the rings. My guess is a first year guy like Mayo is not looking for the wild move at all.
 
A lot of the buzz is coming from Cowherd running with Volin's report.

I love Cowherd, but as he often says, he's not in the business of being right. He's in the business of being interesting.

Which for the context thing, is worth remembering.

https://www.si.com/college/tennesse...to-win-starting-job-for-patriots-01j47x5gnzpd

The Patriots did not select Milton with the intention of him emerging into the starting role this season. They drafted North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye to fill that void. However, reports surfaced earlier this week that Milton was outshining Maye during training camp and one well-known media is cashing in his early prediction for who will win the Patriots' starting job.

"The sixth-round quarterback Joe Milton is probably going to win the job because he's the better athlete, he's the bigger, stronger, faster more dynamic athlete," Colin Cowherd said on The Herd. "And they don't have any at tight end, wide receiver or running back. So when I read this story, my take is, yeah Joe Milton will make plays. Listen, Kirk Cousins and RGIII got drafted back in 2012 got drafted by Washington. And they figured out by year two that Cousins is the guy."
 
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Can you elaborate on what's "silly"? It's up tempo with little substitution or rest between plays. But that's lots of college football today. For the offense itself, what was silly?

4 wides a lot, two WR stacks split out as far as possible, and with the hash marks, it's impossible to run this in the NFL. Very simple reads for the WR and the QB, as the WR makes decisions based on the DBs position. By running the hurry up, they keep defenses in a simple formation. They run a lot more than people think, always against light box, and a lot of the time the WRs on one side of the field barely run routes, like Baylor back in the day.

The descriptions of the offense make it sound like it's a cheat, or gimmick, or whatever, and that sells Heupel's offense short, but that's a different discussion.

Where it's relevant is that if one is trying to compare a Tennessee QB, or scout him, you don't get to see him vs any kind of pro coverage, or making many plays that will translate to the NFL. You can tell if he has a serious arm, and what kind of release he has, but a LOT more is left up to guesswork. There's a ton of throws that these QBs need to make in the NFL that they don't put on film in college.

These arguments have been valid going back to Cal and Baylor and Texas Tech. Being in those offenses does not mean the QB cannot be great (Mahomes👋), just that there are holes in the evaluation, there more unknowns that with other prospects.
 
Little bit of a tangent but watching Maye and Milton's development will be interesting...the Pats underwhelmed many by getting Alex Van Pelt as the OC with Ben McAdoo as his cohort...AVP has been around forever but has never called plays which is a red flag for many...supposedly his (and McAdoo's) main strength is working with QBs and that is obviously the single-most thing for the 2024 Patriots.
 
The descriptions of the offense make it sound like it's a cheat, or gimmick, or whatever, and that sells Heupel's offense short, but that's a different discussion.

Of course. Anyone who's watched college football is aware of Heupels "deep choice" system. Wide open and explosive.

Do you think it's a "silly" offense? That was a new one for me. That's the discussion I asked about.
 

PFF did a dive on Milton.

Frankly, I expect more when someone is in college for 6 years

This was much more how I see him having had the chance to watch him here at UT. The decision making and the trouble with touch were the two big ones. It was maddening to see him unable to not make seemingly every pass a blazing fastball.
 
Do you think it's a "silly" offense? That was a new one for me. That's the discussion I asked about.
I don't think any offense that works is silly. I thought it was silly when purists ran down the Houston offense back in the Ware/Klingler days.

I thought @Ilov80s was referencing what I think most people acknowledge, that it makes the QBs job easier.
 
He’s not good at all imo. He’s got a big arm but played in that silly Tennessee offense.

Can you elaborate on what's "silly"? It's up tempo with little substitution or rest between plays. But that's lots of college football today. For the offense itself, what was silly?
The wide splits are crazy. They have 2 WRs practically standing out of bounds. It’s cool and it definitely works for college but I don’t know how much it translates to the NFL.
 
Do you think it's a "silly" offense? That was a new one for me. That's the discussion I asked about.
I don't think any offense that works is silly. I thought it was silly when purists ran down the Houston offense back in the Ware/Klingler days.

I thought @Ilov80s was referencing what I think most people acknowledge, that it makes the QBs job easier.

Thanks. I'd just never heard the "silly" reference. It's wide open and fast.

For translating to the pros, that's a great discussion and one worth having. In general, I'd say a QB at Tennessee is much easier to project than lots of other teams as you have film on him playing against future NFL players in front of NFL size crowds (actually much bigger than the average NFL crowd). And you have film on him playing with future NFL type offensive line and weapons.

Milton has plenty of negatives. Thus the 6th round spot. But in my opinion, difficulty in predicting how his game will translate isn't one.
 
Little bit of a tangent but watching Maye and Milton's development will be interesting...the Pats underwhelmed many by getting Alex Van Pelt as the OC with Ben McAdoo as his cohort...AVP has been around forever but has never called plays which is a red flag for many...supposedly his (and McAdoo's) main strength is working with QBs and that is obviously the single-most thing for the 2024 Patriots.

Agreed. I think watching this will be exceptionally interesting. Huepel of course is known as a QB guy (being one himself) and the offense is pass driven and built around speed and explosiveness in the passing game. What a different coach and system will do with these QBs is one of the main storylines there I think.
 
Do you think it's a "silly" offense? That was a new one for me. That's the discussion I asked about.
I don't think any offense that works is silly. I thought it was silly when purists ran down the Houston offense back in the Ware/Klingler days.

I thought @Ilov80s was referencing what I think most people acknowledge, that it makes the QBs job easier.

Thanks. I'd just never heard the "silly" reference. It's wide open and fast.

For translating to the pros, that's a great discussion and one worth having. In general, I'd say a QB at Tennessee is much easier to project than lots of other teams as you have film on him playing against future NFL players in front of NFL size crowds (actually much bigger than the average NFL crowd). And you have film on him playing with future NFL type offensive line and weapons.

Milton has plenty of negatives. Thus the 6th round spot. But in my opinion, difficulty in predicting how his game will translate isn't one.
I disagree - the Tennessee offense is based on quick and simple reads, so the qb doesn’t have to be adept at reading defenses and switching to your second or third read. Those skills are critical to success in the nfl.
 
Little bit of a tangent but watching Maye and Milton's development will be interesting...the Pats underwhelmed many by getting Alex Van Pelt as the OC with Ben McAdoo as his cohort...AVP has been around forever but has never called plays which is a red flag for many...supposedly his (and McAdoo's) main strength is working with QBs and that is obviously the single-most thing for the 2024 Patriots.

Agreed. I think watching this will be exceptionally interesting. Huepel of course is known as a QB guy (being one himself) and the offense is pass driven and built around speed and explosiveness in the passing game. What a different coach and system will do with these QBs is one of the main storylines there I think.

For Maye the focus seems to be his footwork...for Milton it appears to be having the brain catch-up to the body.
 
Do you think it's a "silly" offense? That was a new one for me. That's the discussion I asked about.
I don't think any offense that works is silly. I thought it was silly when purists ran down the Houston offense back in the Ware/Klingler days.

I thought @Ilov80s was referencing what I think most people acknowledge, that it makes the QBs job easier.

Thanks. I'd just never heard the "silly" reference. It's wide open and fast.

For translating to the pros, that's a great discussion and one worth having. In general, I'd say a QB at Tennessee is much easier to project than lots of other teams as you have film on him playing against future NFL players in front of NFL size crowds (actually much bigger than the average NFL crowd). And you have film on him playing with future NFL type offensive line and weapons.

Milton has plenty of negatives. Thus the 6th round spot. But in my opinion, difficulty in predicting how his game will translate isn't one.
I disagree - the Tennessee offense is based on quick and simple reads, so the qb doesn’t have to be adept at reading defenses and switching to your second or third read. Those skills are critical to success in the nfl.

Cool. No worry to disagree.

I like my chances translating what I see from a guy making quick reads against future NFL players in big time competition.
 
Do you think it's a "silly" offense? That was a new one for me. That's the discussion I asked about.
I don't think any offense that works is silly. I thought it was silly when purists ran down the Houston offense back in the Ware/Klingler days.

I thought @Ilov80s was referencing what I think most people acknowledge, that it makes the QBs job easier.

Thanks. I'd just never heard the "silly" reference. It's wide open and fast.

For translating to the pros, that's a great discussion and one worth having. In general, I'd say a QB at Tennessee is much easier to project than lots of other teams as you have film on him playing against future NFL players in front of NFL size crowds (actually much bigger than the average NFL crowd). And you have film on him playing with future NFL type offensive line and weapons.

Milton has plenty of negatives. Thus the 6th round spot. But in my opinion, difficulty in predicting how his game will translate isn't one.
I don’t mean silly like it’s bad. It works and is really fun to watch. It just spreads the field in a way you can’t do in the NFL so it makes it really tough to figure how it would work in the pros. The defense pretty much has to take 4 players and completely remove them from the middle of the field.
 
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Billy, this is Joe Milton. He's a quarterback. He’s 6’5, 245 pounds, he can do standing backflips, and he might have the strongest arm on planet earth. He is one of the most physically gifted players the position has ever seen. His defect is that he can’t read a defense, and he only throws fastballs.
 
Joe Milton can stand on the goal line and throw a pass to the opposite end 5 yard line.
Need a Hail Mary from your 20 yard line?
Who ya gonna call?
Joe Milton!!
 

PFF did a dive on Milton.

Frankly, I expect more when someone is in college for 6 years

I was so excited when Milton took over the starting job at Michigan. Milton had all the physical tools, although when he did run he looked slow but powerful. Arm was a rocket but very inconsistent. The offense was not doing much, Cade McNamara took over and the offense took off and Milton never played again and left.

With the Vols he did much better but could not win the job from Hooker. Milton is one of those guys who will benefit from 6 years in college, had he had only 4 would not even been drafted.

Milton will be in the league for sure but predicting what he will do this year is a crap shoot.
 

PFF did a dive on Milton.

Frankly, I expect more when someone is in college for 6 years

I was so excited when Milton took over the starting job at Michigan. Milton had all the physical tools, although when he did run he looked slow but powerful. Arm was a rocket but very inconsistent. The offense was not doing much, Cade McNamara took over and the offense took off and Milton never played again and left.

With the Vols he did much better but could not win the job from Hooker. Milton is one of those guys who will benefit from 6 years in college, had he had only 4 would not even been drafted.

Milton will be in the league for sure but predicting what he will do this year is a crap shoot.

I don't think it is a crap-shoot...because they probably can't get him onto the practice-squad he will be probably their #3 behind Maye and Jacoby with the hope he develops enough to be Maye's eventual backup for a few years than in a very-best case scenario they deal him for some type of draft pick.
 

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