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Wow disagree. GB is not good and is going to struggle this year. The Bears are that bad.
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QB Justin Fields, CHI (1 Viewer)
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destro
Footballguy
The Packers defense is pretty talented. They will be fine. Expect Love to get exposed more in the future, though. If you watched this game, it was horrifically coached by the Bears on both sides of the ball. Zero chance of winning with that gameplan. The Bears defense ran straight vanilla Cover 2 for pretty much the whole game. No real attempt to blitz, disguise coverages, or confuse Love at all... which is precisely what you should be doing with a young, inexperienced QB. It's especially egregious considering the obvious weakness of the Bears D is a lack of established pass rush. The worst thing to do then, is to just stick your pretty solid secondary in zone and hope... Love somehow is terrible despite no pressure? It was awful. A solid defense (or at least a reasonably well-coached one) will make him look a lot worse.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Green Bay’s defense is littered with excellent players.
And Green Bay’s offense looked plenty capable on Sunday.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
They need to allow him to run. Can't put a square peg in a round hole
foxco
Footballguy
Watching him play sure hurts, does that count?
I’m not sure that would have been the best investment either. Caleb, Maye, and maybe even Sanders might be the answer.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
His dropback setup is consistently 0.5 seconds slower than average, and he is not good at quickly processing what he is seeing.
Both the OL and DL are weak positional groups for the Bears. Poles had more cap space than any GM to work with and more than adequate draft capital.
People are going to lose jobs this year.
Both the OL and DL are weak positional groups for the Bears. Poles had more cap space than any GM to work with and more than adequate draft capital.
People are going to lose jobs this year.
Max Power
Footballguy
After two games with more weapons its safe to say Fields has regressed as a QB overall. OC and play calling are horrible, but Fields is still making a lot of major mistakes. He doesn't see the field well, doesn't anticipate throws well, can't feel the pressure and holds the ball too long.
The frustrating part is that he has at least a couple series every game where he looks great and it looks like things are clicking. He just has no consistency. This feels like the week where the Chicago media has turned on him and he has to start taking the blame for his shortcomings as a QB.
The frustrating part is that he has at least a couple series every game where he looks great and it looks like things are clicking. He just has no consistency. This feels like the week where the Chicago media has turned on him and he has to start taking the blame for his shortcomings as a QB.
Banger
Footballguy
But that’s the funny part…his super power is running the ball. You take that away and you have a guy in the pocket that waits too long to throw it…then sees the pass rush too late and gets sacked or forces a bad throw. Rinse repeat.
Coaches will be fired by mid-season because they are awful. Imagine if Fields had Steichen or someone that actually knew what they were doing. The offensive coordinator in Chicago literally got his job becuse he sniffed Aaron Rodgers farts for 9 years. Fields definitely has the ability to be a better passer, but they have not set him up for success. He absolutely is waiting too long, and not running for some reason which makes zero sense to me. You can't keep the defenses honest when you are Justin Fields if you haven't made huge leaps as a passer, and you aren't running the ball.
Again they clearly don't know what they are doing there and from what I can tell everyone in Chicago is sick of it. I would imagine as the team falls to 0-5 coaches will start to get fired. This could turn into a dumpster fire real quick
Banger
Footballguy
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Two friends of mine who are Bears fans both swear that Fields will be a good QB. Unfortunately it will be after they let him go to a team with competent coaches. Feels amazing how people will bend over backwards excusing players because of bad coaching, but for whatever reason Fields is eating this all on his own. Developmental QB with terrible coaches who doesn't take the next step over the offseason? Color me not surprised lol.
Coaches will be fired by mid-season because they are awful. Imagine if Fields had Steichen or someone that actually knew what they were doing. The offensive coordinator in Chicago literally got his job becuse he sniffed Aaron Rodgers farts for 9 years. Fields definitely has the ability to be a better passer, but they have not set him up for success. He absolutely is waiting too long, and not running for some reason which makes zero sense to me. You can't keep the defenses honest when you are Justin Fields if you haven't made huge leaps as a passer, and you aren't running the ball.
Again they clearly don't know what they are doing there and from what I can tell everyone in Chicago is sick of it. I would imagine as the team falls to 0-5 coaches will start to get fired. This could turn into a dumpster fire real quick
Let's just hope the Bears don't wind up with the first overall pick after this season and ruin Caleb Williams for all of us SF players....
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I watch him and think this dude has the tools to be legit. I watch the plays they run and I think my goodness. Free this man and let him play.
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
I keep thinking that the Bears will come to the realization that Fields excels when he runs and turn him loose. There is no point in trying to make Fields into something he is not while racking up losses. At some point the coaches have to go for broke.
Capella
CAPELLODINHO
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Just posted this in the Roschon thread, but totally agree. What I can't understand is why this needs to be groundhogs day? They already figured this out last season and saw drastic improvement to their offense week 7 on once they went up tempo and installed designed runs for Fields. Fields has his deficiencies for sure, and unfortunately it seems they didn't improve much in the offseason (and with this coaching staff, I'm not going to put that all on Fields either), but pretty sure half the arm chair coaches watching at home on Sunday's know that when a defense has to worry about a mobile QB taking off every play, it will make it worlds easier for Fields in the passing game as well. Especially now that they have an actual receiving weapon in Moore. I'm not even a Bears fan, but this has to be my most frustrating story line so far to watch this year. I think the Bears are the worst team in the league, and it's not close. And it's not just because of a lack of talent.
I did a lot of research on Fields during the off-season. I still think he has the tools to be the next Jalen Hurts. I think the difference is Hurts had Shane Steichen. Look at Richardson already. He barely had any reps in college, but he has the perfect coach to set him up for success. Fields was a better prospect than Trevor Lawrence, and literally beat him out in the "11's" camp in highschool. Pretty interesting as they grew up one town away from each other. He just has not had the same opportunities as Lawrence, and chose a diffferent path when it came to college.
I still think he can get there, but he really needs to the right coaching staff to help him get to the next level. DJ Moore is great and definitely helps him, but if your the coaching staff and you aren't using a QB with that kind of athletic ability and trying to make him just a "Pocket Passer" than there is little hope. The Bears need a miracle or the OC to get fired to turn the season around.
jumper
Footballguy
Wasn't this exactly how things went last year? Coaches insisted on a certain play style, and finally after about 6 or 7 games they allowed Fields to run more and he had decent success? Yeah I get it the team was still losing games, but they went from losing while scoring 10-12 points/game to losing while scoring 30-33 point/game and keeping it close instead of being curb stomped.
The coaches are incompetent there, and are probably the worst in the league
That is really bad play calling... like beyond bad...
Demian
Footballguy
I watched the game and it definitely looked like a game plan issue to me. Fields was locked in the pocket like he was coached to do it. Felt like they watched the Vikings tape week 1 vs. the Bucs and thought they could throw the ball the same way. But everyone knows the Bears' passing attack isn't the Vikings'.
Well, they likely realize that Fields running like that is generally unsustainable and they'd like to protect their investment.
Banger
Footballguy
Fields doesn't have a huge contract and if wants one he'll need to earn it and playing the way he's playing is not going to get him there. He's not going to earn being a 5 step drop qb, that's not his skillset. I understand your point but you can't take the best skill a player has away from them and then say "go be great!". I get why they might want to move in that direction but the results speak for themselves.
He was awful year 1
he was awful year 2 through the first 5-6 weeks
he starting running like mad and became the #1 FF QB the rest of the year
Year 3, they give him weapons and have him stay in the pocket and he's been terrible.
I see a pattern....
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Good lordThat is really bad play calling... like beyond bad...
GrantK
Footballguy
I don't think any coaches will get fired, Fields is a carry over from the Pace regime. If he continues to suck Poles will have no choice but to draft his replacement.
Coaches will be fired by mid-season because they are awful. Imagine if Fields had Steichen or someone that actually knew what they were doing. The offensive coordinator in Chicago literally got his job becuse he sniffed Aaron Rodgers farts for 9 years. Fields definitely has the ability to be a better passer, but they have not set him up for success. He absolutely is waiting too long, and not running for some reason which makes zero sense to me. You can't keep the defenses honest when you are Justin Fields if you haven't made huge leaps as a passer, and you aren't running the ball.
Again they clearly don't know what they are doing there and from what I can tell everyone in Chicago is sick of it. I would imagine as the team falls to 0-5 coaches will start to get fired. This could turn into a dumpster fire real quick
I was at a bar with a friend watching the Sunday games and my friend and I could not stop talking about how long he held onto the ball. He looks too indecisive and is not making the reads. It could be coaching but it could also be Fields not trusting his eyes and the system. Moving him out of the pocket might make him better but agree with @GPS that it would not be sustainable because of the beating he would inevitably take although he is getting hit a ton in the pocket as well. The coaches definitely need to try to create a better system that will put Fields in a better position to succeed so maybe roll him out more, etc. It doesn't help that their O line has been manhandled the first few games.
Let the Tyson Bagent era begin?
Let the Tyson Bagent era begin?
That last interception was pathetic play calling but earlier in the game Fields seemed a little lost. He was not making his reads and their were wide open receivers.Good lordThat is really bad play calling... like beyond bad...
Battersbox
Footballguy
He may have been the #1 Fantasy QB rest of year, but that's not reflective of how the rest of the Bears season went.
He took the league by surprise and started running like crazy week 6. They scored more points, no doubt. Then he got hurt week 11, and over the final 4 games he played after sitting out a week the Bears averaged just over 15 points a game as defenses adjusted to him (he then sat week 18 since there was nothing to play for).
Everyone agrees they could score a bit more if he ran more. What people forget is that defenses adjusted to him last year. By the end of the year that rushing ability was already showing diminishing returns. Until he can read a defense, it's never going to fully come together for him. Now there is chatter the Bears need to roll him out constantly and remove half the field from his vision so he can read the defense quicker. That's probably a solution, but it's the exact same thing that happened with Trubiskey.
Time is a flat circle.
He defintely didn't look good, and took way too long to make decisions, and on top of that didn't run the ball when nothing was there??That last interception was pathetic play calling but earlier in the game Fields seemed a little lost. He was not making his reads and their were wide open receivers.Good lordThat is really bad play calling... like beyond bad...
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I don't see why he can't run. Richardson's problem is he isn't protecting himself when he runs. Richardson is running like Cam Newton used to. Designed runs doesn't mean "seek out contact". Get the positive yards and avoid the big hits. But he still needs scripted run calls
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
He has zero pocket awareness, he's indecisive and he has no confidence to throw more than 10 yards. Add to that the fact he refuses to run anymore when the play breaks down and you have a sub-par qb.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It appears to be by design.
You don’t think he forgot how to run since last year, do you?
Cmon.
[Meirov] The Bears have had Justin Fields start 27 games: - They are 5-22 in those games - He has been sacked 101 times. - His completion percentage is 59.8% - He has thrown 26 TDs to 24 INTs. - He has fumbled 31 times (8 lost) - He’s averaging just 156.5 passing yards per game in his career.
To the point above:
[Zack Pearson] Through two weeks, the #Bears have called 4 designed runs for Justin Fields.
To the point above:
[Zack Pearson] Through two weeks, the #Bears have called 4 designed runs for Justin Fields.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
He plainly stinks playing pocket QB for many reasons others have already mentioned. Have to use his athleticism and roll him out much more with designed runs and some passing to one side of the field. It's all he can give you, so the Bears should use it to the fullest.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Me on draft day, Round 14: "If I need to draft a backup QB for Fields, there's no chance I'll win this league."
Me today: "Mayfield or Ridder? Mayfield or Ridder....."
Me today: "Mayfield or Ridder? Mayfield or Ridder....."
Peak
Footballguy
I was going to say the same thing. He doesn't look like the same QB who played the end of last year. It's like the coaching staff told him to stop running and keep your eyes downfield. He looks out of place out there.
It's kind of like when someone tries to change your golf swing to help you improve. It's feels awkward at first because you want to naturally swing the club a certain way
You can tell he isn't comfortable with they are trying to get him to do in the offense, and seems to be overthinking instead of just playing football. That is where the coaches need to do a better job, but unlikely to happen because they are garbage.
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