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Starting a brand new NFL team…what young QB are you going with? Rank them! (1 Viewer)
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Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Was there even any point in writing out Young, Fields or Levis' names?
rockaction
Footballguy
1) Stroud
2) Herbert
3) Love
4) Burrow
5) Fields
6) Levis
7) Young
There. Easy peasy
2) Herbert
3) Love
4) Burrow
5) Fields
6) Levis
7) Young
There. Easy peasy
rockaction
Footballguy
:slowclap:
rockaction
Footballguy
I ranked Burrow behind the other three due to injuries and uncertainty. With Stroud, Herbert, and Love you know you have body integrity. With Burrow you've got an ACL, LCL, MCL and a bum calf and a now a bum wrist on the throwing arm. Don't want it if I don't have to have it.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Stroud is the obvious choice. 4 years on the rookie deal, clearly excellent. Ticks every box near enough.
rockaction
Footballguy
And before anybody comes at me with the argument that people aren't injury prone, just look around in life for manual labor and look around athletic fitness rooms for injuries. There are people that just can't handle a certain load, and if they try, their bodies break down. I learned it the hard way going out for DI hockey. I could compete, but my body did not want to hang with the rigors of what it took. I think if you go around a locker room, for all the talk of luck and injuries, you'll get guys to confess (in their darker moments) that some guys are just injury-prone and it doesn't have to do with luck. It's muscular/skeletal.
True story…I initially typed Josh Fields but thought that can’t be right.
Props to Burrow for getting his money before injuries force him into a back up role or out of the league.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, come on now. I'm picking three guys over him that haven't seen his heights but haven't really missed time with an ACL/MCL/PCL either. I think I'm correct in being worried about all his injuries if you're asking me to start a franchise.
What I've seen of Burrow is that he's an excellent quarterback, but not elite. That's my opinion of him. I just think the other three guys might be better in the long run.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Pretty close for me. I might swap Levis and Fields. I also wouldn't argue swapping Love and Herbert.
massraider
Footballguy
Year each one of these guys was born:
Stroud: 2001
Herbert: 1998
Burrow: 1996
Love: 1998
Fields: 1999
Levis: 1999
Young: 2001
Burrow is 2-5 years older than everyone else on the list. Burrow is a year older than Lamar, for crying out loud. Two years older than Hurts. Taking Burrow and his 1 good knee, and his gimpy wrist over Stroud +5 years is not sound risk management.
Stroud: 2001
Herbert: 1998
Burrow: 1996
Love: 1998
Fields: 1999
Levis: 1999
Young: 2001
Burrow is 2-5 years older than everyone else on the list. Burrow is a year older than Lamar, for crying out loud. Two years older than Hurts. Taking Burrow and his 1 good knee, and his gimpy wrist over Stroud +5 years is not sound risk management.
I keep Burrow over him for sample size. Love has a good year next year, that might be an easy switch.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Wait, what?
I will admit to not knowing that. What a blind spot. Lamar is a blind spot for me, and not because of conventional narratives. He's just so unorthodox in every way I don't know how to deal with it, which is probably the way he wants it.
It's weird. One studies the sport so much and misses something so obvious because one is so worried about running back and wide receiver ages for fantasy. But that little nugget never came up. Stunning.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How come the starting Pro Bow QB that led the league in passing and was just drafted in 2020, still on his Rookie deal...
Where's Tua Tags on this list?
Where's Tua Tags on this list?
massraider
Footballguy
Sorry, two years older than Hurts, I meant.
Looking at the draft the last two years has made me go looking for these age numbers, to compare people apples to apples. Covid made it even moreso. People are comparing McCarthy to Daniels/Penix, etc, and he's 3 years younger than them.
Age matters a lot. So do injuries.
Looking at the draft the last two years has made me go looking for these age numbers, to compare people apples to apples. Covid made it even moreso. People are comparing McCarthy to Daniels/Penix, etc, and he's 3 years younger than them.
Age matters a lot. So do injuries.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, okay. My ignorance still stands, though. I just figured Lamar was before Burrow, therefore they're at least similar in age . . . and that's a bad assumption on my end.
Burrow and Lamar are both 27. That makes more sense.
massraider
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes to both of these.
rockaction
Footballguy
Thanks. So the point still really stands.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Brock Purdy
massraider
Footballguy
Aidan O'Connell is same age as Herbert.
Marauder
Footballguy
Michael Penix is one day older than Trey Lance.Aidan O'Connell is same age as Herbert.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Being carried by Tyreek and McDaniel.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Purdy is extraordinarily difficult to assess among those guys.
I'm going to look at how Stroud plays in Baltimore before fully assessing that.
My thought is that Stroud is going to look a hundred times better than Purdy did.
massraider
Footballguy
Hey, Purdy might be awesome. But a bunch of QBs have looked good there. Heck, the Bengals put up numbers with some stiff after Burrow went down.
Stroud went out, and it was like everyone in Houston forgot how to play football.
Stroud went out, and it was like everyone in Houston forgot how to play football.
rockaction
Footballguy
JImmy G was one Emmanuel Sanders deep ball away from winning the SB there. That's why nobody is rushing to judgment on Purdy. Don't care how many big-time throws PFF says he made, the proof will be in the pudding eventually.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I'm not even saying Purdy is necessarily the guy I'd pick out of the list to build a franchise around. But he 100% belongs in the list, it's an astonishing oversight to have this discussion without him in it. I'm assuming he'll need to win a Super Bowl to begin getting the recognition he's earned - and even then he'll be dismissed as a product of the team around him - but he's better (and younger) than at least half the people in the OP.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think the list wasn't exclusionary of Purdy by design. I think it was off the top of somebody's head. If you want to quibble with the top of someone's head, have at it, but I usually go for the knees.
massraider
Footballguy
abrunn1133
Footballguy
1) Stroud - stats + winning
2) Burrow - No idea why he is on this list, but he is a winner. My franchise loves winners
3) Herbert - A+ talent. Needs a bit of help to start winning more.
4) Love - Show me again, and he will move up the list. I cannot unsee some of those early performances.
5) Young - I think he takes a major step forward next year. Needs a true #1 receiver.
6) Fields - Really dislike him as my franchise QB. My QB has to at least pretend that he can throw a football.
7) Levis - Not much to like here.
2) Burrow - No idea why he is on this list, but he is a winner. My franchise loves winners
3) Herbert - A+ talent. Needs a bit of help to start winning more.
4) Love - Show me again, and he will move up the list. I cannot unsee some of those early performances.
5) Young - I think he takes a major step forward next year. Needs a true #1 receiver.
6) Fields - Really dislike him as my franchise QB. My QB has to at least pretend that he can throw a football.
7) Levis - Not much to like here.
wlwiles
Footballguy
1. Stroud - because I saw 2023 happen
2. Herbert - uber talented, humongous arm, needs coaching/system consistency
3. Burrow - ultra talented but injuries starting to take a toll, and a little older than the two above
4. Love - I like what I see but it's been good for only half a year so far
5. Fields - on the right team and continuing to develop the passing he could be franchise guy
6. Levis - I feel like he's going to be the new Cutler or Jameis. Cannon arm, gunslinger type, but not sold he's a franchise QB yet
7. Young - his ceiling to me is half of Russell Wilson, just a bit too small for today's NFL
Interesting that Lawrence isn't included in this. I'd probably have him above Love, but not certain on that
2. Herbert - uber talented, humongous arm, needs coaching/system consistency
3. Burrow - ultra talented but injuries starting to take a toll, and a little older than the two above
4. Love - I like what I see but it's been good for only half a year so far
5. Fields - on the right team and continuing to develop the passing he could be franchise guy
6. Levis - I feel like he's going to be the new Cutler or Jameis. Cannon arm, gunslinger type, but not sold he's a franchise QB yet
7. Young - his ceiling to me is half of Russell Wilson, just a bit too small for today's NFL
Interesting that Lawrence isn't included in this. I'd probably have him above Love, but not certain on that
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think I take this list but I swap Love and Burrow. I agree with you that Burrow seems injury prone but also people called Matt Stafford brittle after he went to IR his first two seasons with broken collarbones and he's turned out to be a near Favre like ironman since. Love is ascending but his body of work isn't quite there yet but it is indeed a conversation.
I am not sure why Levis and Young are on here. They both look clueless out there. I won't totally write off any rookie but I saw nothing from them to give me any optimism yet alone to take them over Justin Herbert lol.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Jordan Love
Bryce Young
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Not a knock on Stroud, but he's getting deductions for only one year. Brady and Manning would have been in the bottom half of the list after year one. Funny we were tossing Love on the scrap heap mid season.
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Jordan Love
Bryce Young
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Not a knock on Stroud, but he's getting deductions for only one year. Brady and Manning would have been in the bottom half of the list after year one. Funny we were tossing Love on the scrap heap mid season.
Brady and Manning didnt look as good year one as Stroud did. IMHO
I think Jordan Love is maybe getting too much credit. Matt LaFleur is a phenomenal play caller, and I wonder how successful Love would be without him. I think people have forgotten how Aaron Rodgers went from great, but starting to slow down, to back-to-back MVPs the instant LaFleur showed up. I like Love, but I can't see any case for him higher than 4th at the moment.
I will add, I think Will Levis was better than he gets credit for. He played pretty solid for a rookie on a team with a bad OL, bad OC, and 1 good pass catcher. I'm not saying he's gonna be some star or anything, but I think he showed some ability.
Its probably not fair to include Burrow on the list. I personally would have him #1, and I have no concerns about his durability. He had 2 fluky season-ending injuries. Could have happened to anybody. He's a top-3 NFL QB in my opinion.
I will add, I think Will Levis was better than he gets credit for. He played pretty solid for a rookie on a team with a bad OL, bad OC, and 1 good pass catcher. I'm not saying he's gonna be some star or anything, but I think he showed some ability.
Its probably not fair to include Burrow on the list. I personally would have him #1, and I have no concerns about his durability. He had 2 fluky season-ending injuries. Could have happened to anybody. He's a top-3 NFL QB in my opinion.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, but what have you done for me lately?
I'm kidding. I took all that into account when ranking him fourth, which is probably too low. But considering his competition (historical and record-breaking upside/performance in Stroud), otherworldly physical talent (some of the throws Herbert makes leave his receivers in visible disbelief, pointing back at their quarterback—something I've never seen receivers do), and just deft assassin coolness (I was NOT out on Love midseason and was surprised he looked so bad after looking so good at first), Burrow has stiff competition to deal with.
Perhaps 80s is right and Love and Burrow should be switched. It was the injuries, which I don't think are fluky, but that's why everybody has opinions.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Yeah, Burrow should not be on this list due to age. If he is then Lamar needs to be on.
I get Stroud being No.1 but it’s so tight for me between him and Herbert. Not saying it will happen, but sophomore slumps are real when there’s a whole season of tape down. I think at this precise moment I take Herbert pending the rest of the playoffs and first half of next season which would or could change my mind
I get Stroud being No.1 but it’s so tight for me between him and Herbert. Not saying it will happen, but sophomore slumps are real when there’s a whole season of tape down. I think at this precise moment I take Herbert pending the rest of the playoffs and first half of next season which would or could change my mind
rockaction
Footballguy
This is a really good point. Waldman insists that you need to have played a decent amount of games before defenses start to feel comfortable adjusting to the QB. The adjustments don't happen overnight. I forget the number of games he uses, but it's somewhere in the 12-20 range.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Stroud had a historic season worthy of MVP consideration. It's interesting to look at his all time rookie peers...
Luck
Herbert
Stroud
Newton
Winston
Mac Jones
Wentz
Manning
Mayfield
Murray
Prescott (just because)
The first half of the season no one cared about Houston. I'm sure teams cut corners prepping, diverting some resources to other teams. Just about the time you start taking Houston seriously Stroud misses two games so now he's not even on recent tape. Next year
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Burrow was born Dec 10th, 96. Jackson was born Jan 7th, 97. Burrow is 28 days older.
The only QBs of the last 20 years that had better rookie seasons than Stroud in my opinion are Russell Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger. That's some great company to keep if he ends up anywhere near those guys.
