QB Justin Fields, NYJ (2 Viewers)

[Battersbox]

Pretty rough stat. In Fields' 28 career starts he is 5-23 and has thrown for over 225 yards in 3 games with zero 300 yard games.

Cj stroud in 3 career starts has thrown for over 225 3 times and has one 300 yard game.

one is a legit starting QB the other is not. Texans for once lucked out thanks to winning final game of the season which allowed Bears to mess up trading away #1 pick to the Panthers who were in love with Young. Texans will take all the luck they can get. A lot of heads should roll in the Bears organization for that boneheaded move. Their QB is a RB trying to force him to be a traditional QB. Who still thinks that works?

Hindsight is a helluva drug. Stroud was absolutely not the consensus #2. Hou may have preferred him and targeted him, but they could have just as easily fallen into Bryce Young.

Agree. There is a huge amount of variance in all these guys coming out of college. You never know how good they'll be in an NFL game until they actually do it.

 

[FairWarning]

That is the same concern I have, battersbox. If he isn't producing in garbage time, hes worthless in Fantasy. As a Bears fan, I don't see any direction or hope on this team. There isn't one thing they do average. If they get down early Sunday and Fields plays poorly, the fans will be in a ugly mood.

 

[Battersbox]

That is the same concern I have, battersbox. If he isn't producing in garbage time, hes worthless in Fantasy. As a Bears fan, I don't see any direction or hope on this team. There isn't one thing they do average. If they get down early Sunday and Fields plays poorly, the fans will be in a ugly mood.

Agree 100%. I've been watching games my whole life and I've never been this low on them. And that's saying something.

It feels like it would be better for both Fields and the Bears if they went their separate ways. I do think a specific type coach could get something out of Fields (possibly). But, as far as picking up his 5th year or committing gobs of salary cap space to keeping him I don't see how that's possible at this point.

 

[FarFromHome]

That is the same concern I have, battersbox. If he isn't producing in garbage time, hes worthless in Fantasy. As a Bears fan, I don't see any direction or hope on this team. There isn't one thing they do average. If they get down early Sunday and Fields plays poorly, the fans will be in a ugly mood.

Agree 100%. I've been watching games my whole life and I've never been this low on them. And that's saying something.

It feels like it would be better for both Fields and the Bears if they went their separate ways. I do think a specific type coach could get something out of Fields (possibly). But, as far as picking up his 5th year or committing gobs of salary cap space to keeping him I don't see how that's possible at this point.

Move Fields to Jets for Wilson and a 2nd round pick. Then they will lose the rest of season with Wilson. Get pick 1 to take a QB. Cut Wilson...

 

[FairWarning]

That is the same concern I have, battersbox. If he isn't producing in garbage time, hes worthless in Fantasy. As a Bears fan, I don't see any direction or hope on this team. There isn't one thing they do average. If they get down early Sunday and Fields plays poorly, the fans will be in a ugly mood.

Agree 100%. I've been watching games my whole life and I've never been this low on them. And that's saying something.

It feels like it would be better for both Fields and the Bears if they went their separate ways. I do think a specific type coach could get something out of Fields (possibly). But, as far as picking up his 5th year or committing gobs of salary cap space to keeping him I don't see how that's possible at this point.

Move Fields to Jets for Wilson and a 2nd round pick. Then they will lose our rest of season with Wilson. Get pick 1 to take a QB. Cut Wilson...

I would do it just to get the 2nd. Wilson has the game of a Josh Rosen, not desirable. Both QB's need a change of scenery though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Bears offense slowed noticeably the final 5-6 weeks LAST year

1. Fields hurt his hip at the end of last year.
2. Last 5-6 weeks? Wut. You mean like DET on 11/13 where he threw 67/2/1 while rushing for 147/2? Or maybe you mean the next week against ATL where he passed for 1/1 and ran for 85/1? No? Surely you meant the following week vs GB on 12/4 when he passed for 254/0/2 and ran for 71/1 with a long of 55? I guess you're talking about PHI the next week when he passed 152/2/0 and ran for 95 yards? Is that when defenses contained him?

Then IIRC he hurt his hip in BUF 12/24, but was having a good game, having thrown 119/1. The next week 1/1 he played pretty well throwing for just 75 yards 1/1, but was completely contained on the ground where he only ran for 132 yards on 10 carries.

Those are his last 6 games so I actually have no idea what you're talking about here.

I wasn't talking about Detroit, because week 10 isn't part of the last 5-6 weeks of the year (you know this).
The next week against Atlanta (week 11) ALSO isn't part of the last 5-6 weeks of the year (the NFL has 18 weeks these days).

And again, you can mention those stats if you wish, some are okay, some are not. The fact remains the BEARS AVERAGED ~15 points per game over the final 5-6 weeks of the year, which is what I said (not sure why you'd cite games I wasn't talking about) I don't think that's a good offense. If you want to argue about Fields as a Fantasy point producer, you sort of have an argument here, but I'm talking more from a Bears-fan perspective who hopes they start winning some games again.

Now you know what I'm talking about.

I watched virtually every snap of every Bears game since Fields has been on the team. I know what I've seen. He has never thrown for 300 yards in a game. But that's nothing: he has thrown for over 200 yards in a game only 7 times in 28 starts. He has thrown for UNDER 100 yeards 5 times. That seems almost impossible in today's NFL. And keep in mind, the Bears are trailing all the time, nearly every game. Defenses loosen up to prevent touchdowns, and he still doesn't rack up yardage. Yes, he ran for yardage, but for the past 9 weeks (last 6 of last year and first 3 of this year) it has resulted in few points and exactly zero wins.

I'm not sure why you decided to get snarky, but whatever. You've not refuted anything I've said. Be well.

He was out injured the last 2 weeks.

I wasn’t being snarky, I was challenging your assertion that he was somehow contained on the ground the last 5-6 weeks

The stats don’t statement that statement at all. Unless you mean they contained him the last couple weeks he missed?

 

[FairWarning]

The Bears offense slowed noticeably the final 5-6 weeks LAST year

1. Fields hurt his hip at the end of last year.
2. Last 5-6 weeks? Wut. You mean like DET on 11/13 where he threw 67/2/1 while rushing for 147/2? Or maybe you mean the next week against ATL where he passed for 1/1 and ran for 85/1? No? Surely you meant the following week vs GB on 12/4 when he passed for 254/0/2 and ran for 71/1 with a long of 55? I guess you're talking about PHI the next week when he passed 152/2/0 and ran for 95 yards? Is that when defenses contained him?

Then IIRC he hurt his hip in BUF 12/24, but was having a good game, having thrown 119/1. The next week 1/1 he played pretty well throwing for just 75 yards 1/1, but was completely contained on the ground where he only ran for 132 yards on 10 carries.

Those are his last 6 games so I actually have no idea what you're talking about here.

I wasn't talking about Detroit, because week 10 isn't part of the last 5-6 weeks of the year (you know this).
The next week against Atlanta (week 11) ALSO isn't part of the last 5-6 weeks of the year (the NFL has 18 weeks these days).

And again, you can mention those stats if you wish, some are okay, some are not. The fact remains the BEARS AVERAGED ~15 points per game over the final 5-6 weeks of the year, which is what I said (not sure why you'd cite games I wasn't talking about) I don't think that's a good offense. If you want to argue about Fields as a Fantasy point producer, you sort of have an argument here, but I'm talking more from a Bears-fan perspective who hopes they start winning some games again.

Now you know what I'm talking about.

I watched virtually every snap of every Bears game since Fields has been on the team. I know what I've seen. He has never thrown for 300 yards in a game. But that's nothing: he has thrown for over 200 yards in a game only 7 times in 28 starts. He has thrown for UNDER 100 yeards 5 times. That seems almost impossible in today's NFL. And keep in mind, the Bears are trailing all the time, nearly every game. Defenses loosen up to prevent touchdowns, and he still doesn't rack up yardage. Yes, he ran for yardage, but for the past 9 weeks (last 6 of last year and first 3 of this year) it has resulted in few points and exactly zero wins.

I'm not sure why you decided to get snarky, but whatever. You've not refuted anything I've said. Be well.

He was out injured the last 2 weeks.

I wasn’t being snarky, I was challenging your assertion that he was somehow contained on the ground the last 5-6 weeks

The stats don’t statement that statement at all. Unless you mean they contained him the last couple weeks he missed?

He really hasn't been the same since the game in Atlanta. He took a lot of hard hits that day.

 

[Battersbox]

The Bears offense slowed noticeably the final 5-6 weeks LAST year

1. Fields hurt his hip at the end of last year.
2. Last 5-6 weeks? Wut. You mean like DET on 11/13 where he threw 67/2/1 while rushing for 147/2? Or maybe you mean the next week against ATL where he passed for 1/1 and ran for 85/1? No? Surely you meant the following week vs GB on 12/4 when he passed for 254/0/2 and ran for 71/1 with a long of 55? I guess you're talking about PHI the next week when he passed 152/2/0 and ran for 95 yards? Is that when defenses contained him?

Then IIRC he hurt his hip in BUF 12/24, but was having a good game, having thrown 119/1. The next week 1/1 he played pretty well throwing for just 75 yards 1/1, but was completely contained on the ground where he only ran for 132 yards on 10 carries.

Those are his last 6 games so I actually have no idea what you're talking about here.

I wasn't talking about Detroit, because week 10 isn't part of the last 5-6 weeks of the year (you know this).
The next week against Atlanta (week 11) ALSO isn't part of the last 5-6 weeks of the year (the NFL has 18 weeks these days).

And again, you can mention those stats if you wish, some are okay, some are not. The fact remains the BEARS AVERAGED ~15 points per game over the final 5-6 weeks of the year, which is what I said (not sure why you'd cite games I wasn't talking about) I don't think that's a good offense. If you want to argue about Fields as a Fantasy point producer, you sort of have an argument here, but I'm talking more from a Bears-fan perspective who hopes they start winning some games again.

Now you know what I'm talking about.

I watched virtually every snap of every Bears game since Fields has been on the team. I know what I've seen. He has never thrown for 300 yards in a game. But that's nothing: he has thrown for over 200 yards in a game only 7 times in 28 starts. He has thrown for UNDER 100 yeards 5 times. That seems almost impossible in today's NFL. And keep in mind, the Bears are trailing all the time, nearly every game. Defenses loosen up to prevent touchdowns, and he still doesn't rack up yardage. Yes, he ran for yardage, but for the past 9 weeks (last 6 of last year and first 3 of this year) it has resulted in few points and exactly zero wins.

I'm not sure why you decided to get snarky, but whatever. You've not refuted anything I've said. Be well.

He was out injured the last 2 weeks.

I wasn’t being snarky, I was challenging your assertion that he was somehow contained on the ground the last 5-6 weeks

The stats don’t statement that statement at all. Unless you mean they contained him the last couple weeks he missed?

He didn't play the last week of the year, that is correct. He did play week 17.
So we're not talking in circles here:

Weeks 7-11, he took the league by storm and rushed like crazy. He racked up huge rushing totals and scored 6 TD's on the ground through those 5 weeks. The Bears averaged nearly 30 points per game in that span (though they still lost 4 of those 5, beating only N. England)

After missing the Jets in week 12, he played the next 4 games and the team averaged 15 points/game. He only scored 1 TD, there was a clear difference in the way defenses played the Bears. I saw it with my own eyes, and I'm seeing it again this year. So even in the games where he had strong yardage totals rushing, they still didn't score because they kept him out of the end zone. I didn't assert he didn't have strong rushing totals. I asserted that defenses changed their approach to him and the result was an offense which had less success. That has continued into this year. Pointing out games like Week 17 vs Detroit where he had 132 rushing yards doesn't change that fact, because he didn't run in for a TD and the team only scored 10 points. Not to mention the fact he only had 75 passing yds that game for a total of 197 yards of offense. That's simply not success.

I get that for Fantasy purposes the perspective is different. But even through the lens of Fantasy, we have to wonder how long he'll hold the job if the only success is in fantasy points and not points on the scoreboard.

I just don't understand how anyone can think NFL defensive coordinators wouldn't have adjusted to him after his crazy 5 week span last year. Of course they've adjusted, wouldn't you? Fields and the coaching staff need to adjust their approach now, that's painfully obvious. I hope they can do it but I'm losing confidence fast.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

So, has anyone dropped him or traded him?

I've tried adding him to deals involving qb upgrades. The people I've spoke with so far have all preferred I add Love instead.

 

[BobbyLayne]

@JakobSanderson
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People say Justin Fields won’t start somewhere next year but if you don’t think Arthur Smith would take advantage of a new way to ruin Kyle Pitts you simply don’t know ball.

 

[Irishod]

That is the same concern I have, battersbox. If he isn't producing in garbage time, hes worthless in Fantasy. As a Bears fan, I don't see any direction or hope on this team. There isn't one thing they do average. If they get down early Sunday and Fields plays poorly, the fans will be in a ugly mood.

Agree 100%. I've been watching games my whole life and I've never been this low on them. And that's saying something.

It feels like it would be better for both Fields and the Bears if they went their separate ways. I do think a specific type coach could get something out of Fields (possibly). But, as far as picking up his 5th year or committing gobs of salary cap space to keeping him I don't see how that's possible at this point.

Move Fields to Jets for Wilson and a 2nd round pick. Then they will lose the rest of season with Wilson. Get pick 1 to take a QB. Cut Wilson...

Pretty sure the Packers have the Jets 2024 2’nd round pick.

 

[coyote5]

So, has anyone dropped him or traded him?

Dropped him for Stroud this week

 

[Faust]

Insider Reveals Stunning Details About Justin Fields’ Status In Halas Hall


Former Super Bowl champ says Bears must bench Justin Fields: 'It’s just going to get worse'

 

[FarFromHome]

Starting over Mahomes. This is the week boys!!!!

 

[Faust]

Bears OC lauds QB Justin Fields for taking leadership role

 

[Statorama]

Former Super Bowl champ says Bears must bench Justin Fields: 'It’s just going to get worse'

Me interviewing Mike Martz about Justin Fields

Me: "Do you think it's time to bench Justin Fields or let him work through it"
Mike Martz: "Well I.."
Me: "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK

 

[WaltonGoggins]

Pretty rough stat. In Fields' 28 career starts he is 5-23 and has thrown for over 225 yards in 3 games with zero 300 yard games.

Cj stroud in 3 career starts has thrown for over 225 3 times and has one 300 yard game.

one is a legit starting QB the other is not. Texans for once lucked out thanks to winning final game of the season which allowed Bears to mess up trading away #1 pick to the Panthers who were in love with Young. Texans will take all the luck they can get. A lot of heads should roll in the Bears organization for that boneheaded move. Their QB is a RB trying to force him to be a traditional QB. Who still thinks that works?

Hindsight is a helluva drug. Stroud was absolutely not the consensus #2. Hou may have preferred him and targeted him, but they could have just as easily fallen into Bryce Young.

That's what I said if they had lost final game of the year most likely they would have Young. If Panthers didn't fall in love with Young they wouldn't have traded for the #1 pick and drafted him. The point was a number of things luckily happened to the Texans which rarely ever happens. There had been rumors as far back as after the draft that Caserio didn't want Stroud but the owners and DeMeco did. Who knows but sometimes getting unlucky, winning the final game moving you to the #2 spot in draft, turns out to be the best thing!

 

[fred_1_15301]

Pretty rough stat. In Fields' 28 career starts he is 5-23 and has thrown for over 225 yards in 3 games with zero 300 yard games.

Cj stroud in 3 career starts has thrown for over 225 3 times and has one 300 yard game.

one is a legit starting QB the other is not. Texans for once lucked out thanks to winning final game of the season which allowed Bears to mess up trading away #1 pick to the Panthers who were in love with Young. Texans will take all the luck they can get. A lot of heads should roll in the Bears organization for that boneheaded move. Their QB is a RB trying to force him to be a traditional QB. Who still thinks that works?

Hindsight is a helluva drug. Stroud was absolutely not the consensus #2. Hou may have preferred him and targeted him, but they could have just as easily fallen into Bryce Young.

That's what I said if they had lost final game of the year most likely they would have Young. If Panthers didn't fall in love with Young they wouldn't have traded for the #1 pick and drafted him. The point was a number of things luckily happened to the Texans which rarely ever happens. There had been rumors as far back as after the draft that Caserio didn't want Stroud but the owners and DeMeco did. Who knows but sometimes getting unlucky, winning the final game moving you to the #2 spot in draft, turns out to be the best thing!

But that’s so rare. You posted a response to me in the Steelers thread about 1st round QBs and draft position. So I did some research and the odds of # 1 overall turning out to be a hit is far greater than # 2 overall. The rest of the 1st round is apparently a crap shoot when it comes to QBs.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

 

[Wrigley]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

QB's are asked to throw the ball, something he seems to have a problem doing well.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

QB's are asked to throw the ball, something he seems to have a problem doing well.

He can make all the throws, and even does so accurately IF his first read is open. He really struggles to read a defense, pre and post snap. They need to cut the field in half or run traditional play-action, and give him a first read with clear instruction to run or throw it away if that read is not open. His problem is mental, not arm talent (strength or accuracy). I don't know if it's because he doesn't prepare or he's simply an idiot? I don't really care at this point TBH, he is who he is. Play to his strengths and see if you can win games with him. This is on the coaches to come up with a better plan for this team, and it's on Fields to perform.

 

[Wrigley]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

QB's are asked to throw the ball, something he seems to have a problem doing well.

He can make all the throws, and even does so accurately IF his first read is open. He really struggles to read a defense, pre and post snap. They need to cut the field in half or run traditional play-action, and give him a first read with clear instruction to run or throw it away if that read is not open. His problem is mental, not arm talent (strength or accuracy). I don't know if it's because he doesn't prepare or he's simply an idiot? I don't really care at this point TBH, he is who he is. Play to his strengths and see if you can win games with him. This is on the coaches to come up with a better plan for this team, and it's on Fields to perform.

this is rookie QB kind of stuff.

3rd year guys should be able to control the whole field, he can't.

JAG who can run.....not a franchise QB

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

QB's are asked to throw the ball, something he seems to have a problem doing well.

He can make all the throws, and even does so accurately IF his first read is open. He really struggles to read a defense, pre and post snap. They need to cut the field in half or run traditional play-action, and give him a first read with clear instruction to run or throw it away if that read is not open. His problem is mental, not arm talent (strength or accuracy). I don't know if it's because he doesn't prepare or he's simply an idiot? I don't really care at this point TBH, he is who he is. Play to his strengths and see if you can win games with him. This is on the coaches to come up with a better plan for this team, and it's on Fields to perform.

this is rookie QB kind of stuff.

3rd year guys should be able to control the whole field, he can't.

JAG who can run.....not a franchise QB

Your hate for the kid seems to run deep. I'm not saying he is or isn't a franchise QB, now or ever. What I am saying is that you'll never truly know unless you build a team and gameplan around what he does well. Is he ever going to be Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? No. That doesn't mean he can't be an upper tier winning QB. Write him off if you want, I'm not ready to.

 

[Wrigley]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

QB's are asked to throw the ball, something he seems to have a problem doing well.

He can make all the throws, and even does so accurately IF his first read is open. He really struggles to read a defense, pre and post snap. They need to cut the field in half or run traditional play-action, and give him a first read with clear instruction to run or throw it away if that read is not open. His problem is mental, not arm talent (strength or accuracy). I don't know if it's because he doesn't prepare or he's simply an idiot? I don't really care at this point TBH, he is who he is. Play to his strengths and see if you can win games with him. This is on the coaches to come up with a better plan for this team, and it's on Fields to perform.

this is rookie QB kind of stuff.

3rd year guys should be able to control the whole field, he can't.

JAG who can run.....not a franchise QB

Your hate for the kid seems to run deep. I'm not saying he is or isn't a franchise QB, now or ever. What I am saying is that you'll never truly know unless you build a team and gameplan around what he does well. Is he ever going to be Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? No. That doesn't mean he can't be an upper tier winning QB. Write him off if you want, I'm not ready to.

What makes you think I hate him?

He doesn't' have to be a HOFer, just competent....he's not

 

[DeaLerZ]

out of the league in two years.

Barring a catastrophic injury, there's 0 chance of this. Fields has too many physical assets that will allow him to stick around the league for as long as he chooses. Maybe he needs a change a scenery or a competent coach? It's always crazy to me when coaches try to be the smartest person in the room and play to players' weaknesses instead of leaning on their strengths. Let the man run. Simplify the offense. Fields can be a winner in this league. He's capable, but not of what they're asking him to do. Let Fields do what Fields can do or move on. You're not going to win by making him a pocket passer, ever. Worried about an injury? Man up, it's professional football!

QB's are asked to throw the ball, something he seems to have a problem doing well.

He can make all the throws, and even does so accurately IF his first read is open. He really struggles to read a defense, pre and post snap. They need to cut the field in half or run traditional play-action, and give him a first read with clear instruction to run or throw it away if that read is not open. His problem is mental, not arm talent (strength or accuracy). I don't know if it's because he doesn't prepare or he's simply an idiot? I don't really care at this point TBH, he is who he is. Play to his strengths and see if you can win games with him. This is on the coaches to come up with a better plan for this team, and it's on Fields to perform.

this is rookie QB kind of stuff.

3rd year guys should be able to control the whole field, he can't.

JAG who can run.....not a franchise QB

The problem is the coaching has been the worst in the league since he has been here. If he had Steichen, he would already be on his way to being the next Hurts.

Look at Anthony Richardson. "He has all the physical tools, but doesn't have enough reps in college. He needs to be developed, and it is going to take time." Everyone and their brother thought Richardson would take a lot more time to look as good as he has as a passer.

Gets with Steichen, and immediately looks like a good QB, and not just a physical freak who can run. The Colts are somehow competitive already? The effect that coaching and play calling has on a QB is vastly underrated. Is he still developing absolutely, but the coaching staff is playing to his strengths and building his confidence.

This has never happenned for Justin Fields. He got drafted by arguably the worst organization in pro football right now, with the worst management, and worst coaching, and on top of all that has one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Last year he had the worst skill positions in the league.

At this point I think Fields needs to be move on and hope for a better situation. I doubt it gets fixed this year because Getsy won't be fired until the end of the year because the Bears are a terrible organization.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

So, has anyone dropped him or traded him?

Dropped him for Stroud this week

I actually made the exact same move. I didn't really like it (especially since my only other QB is Purdy), but I wasn't going to be able to get anything worthwhile in a trade and I have RB and WR depth I can't part with. I needed to cut bait to keep myself from being talked into starting him again.

Obviously Randy Moss was an infinitely better player, but I drafted him the year he was terrible and bounced between teams, and I remember suffering through horrific 1 point performances because I couldn't bring myself to bench him. Eventually I flat out dropped him and some other sucker picked him up and then rolled him out a few weeks to similarly awful fantasy results. Obviously the move could end up biting me real good, but I feel like it's at least as likely that Fields keeps putting up stinkers as it is that he turns it around.

 

[Ray_T]

So, has anyone dropped him or traded him?

Dropped him for Stroud this week

I actually made the exact same move. I didn't really like it (especially since my only other QB is Purdy), but I wasn't going to be able to get anything worthwhile in a trade and I have RB and WR depth I can't part with. I needed to cut bait to keep myself from being talked into starting him again.

Obviously Randy Moss was an infinitely better player, but I drafted him the year he was terrible and bounced between teams, and I remember suffering through horrific 1 point performances because I couldn't bring myself to bench him. Eventually I flat out dropped him and some other sucker picked him up and then rolled him out a few weeks to similarly awful fantasy results. Obviously the move could end up biting me real good, but I feel like it's at least as likely that Fields keeps putting up stinkers as it is that he turns it around.

you picked up a good QB. you will be fine.

 

[travdogg]

Very surprised to see people cutting Fields. That rushing upside is just so high. I realize the passing has been bad, and the team in general looks bad, but cutting just seems wild to me. Benching sure, but cutting? I don't know.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Bears fan here. This guy is the worst. 13 losses in a row. Our team doesn't do anything "good".

I am getting nervous we might go 0-16. I am struggling to find any team I am convinced we can score more points than. But part of me wants them to lose them all and draft Caleb Williams.


Rock is meeting hard place. Fields was great in fantasy last year because coach and front office had given up on winning games. Tons of empty production. Now, that heads may potentially rolling they are trying to force Fields into being a pocket passer which is failing due to the offensive line.



My guess would be, if he doesn't get benched that you will see Fields rushing like crazy later in the season once coach is fired and front office is in full tank mode. The guy can't run a pro offense, misses his reads, and scrambles for a bunch of yards but never seems to contribute to "winning football".

I'd rather have CJ Stroud in fantasy and real NFL. Like, Fields isn't just bad he might be the worst Bears QB ever. 13 losses in a row is terrible and he's responsible for all of them. All those losses and he's never thrown for 300 yards or more. Guy can't even produce in garbage time. It's sad to watch.



Caleb Williams, please. Save our franchise.

 

[oswizzle]

he’s playing like a mrs fields cookie store at the end of a closed down mall

 

[JamboTaylor]

Much better

 

[FarFromHome]

he’s playing like a mrs fields cookie store at the end of a closed down mall

That became so popular the mall reopened. Ha ha

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It was right around week 4 I picked up Fields in redraft last year too. Just sayin.

 

[gucci little piggy]

I'm not watching the game...does he actually look a lot better than he did in previous weeks(I guess he has to) or is the Broncos D just that insanely bad?

 

[FairWarning]

I'm not watching the game...does he actually look a lot better than he did in previous weeks(I guess he has to) or is the Broncos D just that insanely bad?

still locks in on receivers and isnt running, but throwing better. Can’t say I would start him at Wash on Thursday though.

 

[Battersbox]

I'm not watching the game...does he actually look a lot better than he did in previous weeks(I guess he has to) or is the Broncos D just that insanely bad?

He looks much better. It certainly helps that guys are running wide open most of the time, but he's also made a few anticipatory throws over the middle that he hasn't attempted at all prior to this week. The whole team is playing great relative to weeks 1-3, but I fear that has a lot to do with that fact that Denver is a dumpster fire.

 

[jumper]

I'm not watching the game...does he actually look a lot better than he did in previous weeks(I guess he has to) or is the Broncos D just that insanely bad?

He looks much better. It certainly helps that guys are running wide open most of the time, but he's also made a few anticipatory throws over the middle that he hasn't attempted at all prior to this week. The whole team is playing great relative to weeks 1-3, but I fear that has a lot to do with that fact that Denver is a dumpster fire.

Looks like the dumpster fire just struck back.

 

[Max Power]

JF played much better today. He was impressive on a lot of throws and made plays happen. These are the flashes that are so frustrating as a Bears fan.

Still have to remember this was Denver who also made Mike White look decent.

This is the first week of the season where the coaching staff clearly looked like the problem. I still think JF has limited potential as a passing QB in the NFL, but today was a win for him.

 

[FarFromHome]

Sometimes you just gotta see the ball go through the net. Sure it was Denver, but the ball went through the net. He actually looked like an NFL QB today.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

 

[Ray Barboni]

Matt Eberflus(h) needs to go.

 

[Max Power]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

If he does this several more times vs some better Ds, I'll happily eat crow. Fields looked much better today.

My biggest holdup is that Denver's D might just be THAT bad.

 

[FarFromHome]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

If he does this several more times vs some better Ds, I'll happily eat crow. Fields looked much better today.

My biggest holdup is that Denver's D might just be THAT bad.

At Washington next week will be a good test.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

If he does this several more times vs some better Ds, I'll happily eat crow. Fields looked much better today.

My biggest holdup is that Denver's D might just be THAT bad.

At Washington next week will be a good test.

I mean, he still threw 350+/4

That’s hard to do against any NFL D and he didn’t rely on his legs

Stand alone proof that he can do the thing everyone was saying he couldn’t do.

 

[N Zone]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

He obviously can throw at a high level in the NFL.

28

35

335

80.0

9.6

4

1

29

4

132.7

It's up to him to be consistent and the coaches to put the best game plan and play calls together week in and week out. This game proves the Bears should stick with Fields and if the Bears don't improve this year, then the coaches need to be changed. My opinion.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

He obviously can throw at a high level in the NFL. It's up to him to be consistent and the coaches to put the best game plan and play calls together week in and week out. This game proves the Bears should stick with Fields and if the Bears don't improve this year, then the coaches need to be changed. My opinion.

I’m 10000% in agreement.

I think they should do it by week 8 if the coaching doesn’t improve.

 

[N Zone]

Same thing happened with Jalen Hurts. Random observers saying the Eagles needed to draft a new starting QB (during Hurts' second season).

 

[N Zone]

Look at Trevor Lawrence's turnaround the year after Urban Meyer was fired, he went from one of the worst QB stats in the league to a pro bowl level.

 

[dipandglide]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

Yup. He has a large enough sample to know what he is. He isn't a good IRL QB.

You could do worse in fantasy. The problem is he might not have a job sooner rather than later. Everyone is getting caught up in the great numbers vs. a terrible defense. Don't forget that Fields threw a pick and lost the game at the end. Tick tock

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

4 PaTd, 300+ yardsz

We still saying Fields can’t throw?

Yup. He has a large enough sample to know what he is. He isn't a good IRL QB.

You could do worse in fantasy. The problem is he might not have a job sooner rather than later. Everyone is getting caught up in the great numbers vs. a terrible defense. Don't forget that Fields threw a pick and lost the game at the end. Tick tock

I’m not buying it. Too much talent.

ZW is starting in NYJ. They’re not gonna give up on Fields.