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I'm not even a huge Murray fan, but I don't know what the most everything you are disagreeing with could even be.
Dak Prescott is pretty good. Most NFL teams would happily dump their guy for Dak.
Didn't cherry pick 7 games at all. They were the 7 games before he suffered the 1 injury he's suffered in his 3 year career, and also the games he played with Hopkins since they went down in the same game. Its not like I just picked his best 7 games at random or something. Even counting the full season, he still showed steady improvement in basically every way a passer can.
Arizona went 5-2 against teams that made the playoffs last season, including sweeping SF.
He just likes to troll - not sure why people engage him. Just look at that crap he was spewing above. It’s like a child arguing. I give him credit for being smarter than that so it’s obviously trolling. Ignore it.
We just saw Watson sit out a year and get the best contract a QB has ever been given despite you know what hanging over his head.
What leverage? I dunno, but it probably begins with “good luck” and ends with “starting Colt McCoy this year.”
I would disagree with that a little. I think paying a good but not elite QB is fine, you can win a Super Bowl with those guys (the Rams just did) but the issue becomes if you have nothing else around them. If you pay for a good but not great QB, you need to either have a great hit rate on value FAs, or nail some drafts to consistently contend.
None of the QB’s you mentioned had a game like he did in the playoffs. The Rams exposed him. It was pathetic.
It was 1 game, without his best weapon, against the Super Bowl Champs. While nobody played as poorly in a playoff game last season, a lot of big time QBs have had similar caliber games in the playoffs. For example:
I didn’t want to rehash everything that has been said earlier, but he was really bad for the entire second half of the year. The Cards had a few chances to clinch a playoff birth with a win, and they couldn’t get it done. We can agree to disagree, but Murray’s poor play down the stretch, coupled with his poor attitude and finger pointing, is the reason why the Cards are taking a stand here.
I don't really agree. I know there have been a bunch of big QB contracts but in my eyes, he doesn't qualify for the big payday yet. He has not shown that he can stay healthy and he really hasn't won anything yet. The fact that AZ hasn't even made him a contract offer yet is telling for me.menobrown said:
Hypothetically, if he's on the market, I would think a 1st and a 2nd is basically the starting point of any offer, with it likely ending up being 2 1sts.
I agree 100% with the bolded. Those teams would get a huge upgrade at QB and would keep them as playoff contenders. If I'm ARI and shopping him, I would have to get two 1sts and more. He's very young so he has the long term potential to spend over a decade with a new team. I think that should have some value and will be one of the reasons other teams like CAR will also want him. PIT in particular would be a great destination for him IMO, in part because of Tomlin.
I hadn't heard anything about Kingsbury and Mayfield being on bad terms. Then again, the only thing I ever recall hearing was that when asked about drafting Murray and moving on from Rosen in 2019, Kingsbury implied that if they had ended up with Mayfield in that draft, that they wouldn't have looked at QB as a need. You could probably argue that is as much or more anti-Rosen than pro-Mayfield though. I don't think he ever held Mayfield transferring against him, college QBs transfer all the time, especially ones with NFL talent, hell, Murray transferred away too, and he still took him #1.
I remember where I heard it now. I don't think it's Kingsberry who has the problem. In that interview Mayfield did the other day he said that even though he had started 5 games and they were 5-0, they wouldn't give him a scholarship (he was a walk-on at Texas Tech). Plus, he said they blocked him from transferring so he had to redo his 101 classes at Oklahoma.
I guess I'm just old enough to remember when the Arizona Cardinals being "mediocre", and losing their best player the second half of the season, and the QB folding down the stretch didn't look like an 11-6 season. Yeah, they definitely looked better the first half of the stretch when they had Hopkins but this franchise doesn't exactly have the history of the Steelers or Packers.
BoltBacker said:
I'm fine with that.
This is fair, and I can understand that criticism. For all the regular season fireworks Lamar Jackson has created he is only 1-3 in the playoffs. I'm chalking that up to small sample size but until he proves he can win in the playoffs it's up for debate whether QB's that lean so heavily on their mobility can beat playoff level defenses week after week.
The fact that a 35 year old Colt McCoy went 2-1 as a starter - with those wins coming on the road - tells me that maybe Arizona actually has a good team/good coaching and it's not all Kyler Murray.
The team isn’t leaking it. The players are outright saying it. Players are saying that he doesn’t practice hard: that he doesn’t watch tape; that at half time he either calls his girlfriend or puts on headphones; that he needs to mature.
