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QB Mac Jones, SF (2 Viewers)

Mac is certainly capable of playing better than what we just witnessed. But that’s maybe the lowest bar one could find. Two years ago he looked like the best of the bunch. What a load of cow manure he turned into. I was pretty agitated with the immature antics and cheap shots. Just beat it man
 
What is crazy is that Mac Jones was one of the best prospects for accuracy on deep throws (over 20 yds) which is typically an indicator for success at the next level. But it hasn't carried through. And he's currently the worst on deep throws (2 for 20). It shows the high value of those Alabama pass catchers, DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, John Metchie III and Najee Harris.

Conversely, you have C.J. Stroud who was also super accurate and had one of the greatest WR rooms in college. He was clearly the best QB prospect in this draft and it all carried through to the next level.

And then you have Brock Purdy who made plays like this and this in college but is somehow Tom Brady 2.0 at the next level. It doesn't make any sense sometimes.
 
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Coaching, weapons and offensive system play way more of a role than gets talked about in forums. Put Jones on SF to start his career and Purdy on NE. Suddenly everything being said about one guy would be said about the other.
 
What is crazy is that Mac Jones was one of the best prospects for accuracy on deep throws (over 20 yds) which is typically an indicator for success at the next level. But it hasn't carried through. And he's currently the worst on deep throws (2 for 20). It shows the high value of those Alabama pass catchers, DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, John Metchie III and Najee Harris.

Conversely, you have C.J. Stroud who was also super accurate and had one of the greatest WR rooms in college. He was clearly the best QB prospect in this draft and it all carried through to the next level.

And then you have Brock Purdy who made plays like this and this in college but is somehow Tom Brady 2.0 at the next level. It doesn't make any sense sometimes.

When the Pats drafted him everyone knew about the physical limitations, but the thinking was with the Pats complex offense he could overcome that by being a high-end game-manager who would limit the mistakes and be able to make the right calls and throws...boy, has that not been the case...some of his interceptions have been beyond egregious and right now he has zero confidence and looks totally clueless (there is a maturity issue with him as well)...the Pats have done a horrible job developing him but he also has contributed in a big way to his failures...just an utter disaster right now.
 
What is crazy is that Mac Jones was one of the best prospects for accuracy on deep throws (over 20 yds) which is typically an indicator for success at the next level. But it hasn't carried through. And he's currently the worst on deep throws (2 for 20). It shows the high value of those Alabama pass catchers, DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, John Metchie III and Najee Harris.

Conversely, you have C.J. Stroud who was also super accurate and had one of the greatest WR rooms in college. He was clearly the best QB prospect in this draft and it all carried through to the next level.

And then you have Brock Purdy who made plays like this and this in college but is somehow Tom Brady 2.0 at the next level. It doesn't make any sense sometimes.

When the Pats drafted him everyone knew about the physical limitations, but the thinking was with the Pats complex offense he could overcome that by being a high-end game-manager who would limit the mistakes and be able to make the right calls and throws...boy, has that not been the case...some of his interceptions have been beyond egregious and right now he has zero confidence and looks totally clueless (there is a maturity issue with him as well)...the Pats have done a horrible job developing him but he also has contributed in a big way to his failures...just an utter disaster right now.
Yeah it makes no sense. In college, he could throw a very accurate deep ball despite not having a rocket arm. His WR were often wide open but he was still pinpoint. It's one of the metrics that I personally over index on when evaluating rookie QBs. But it's like he forgot how to do it. I have never seen this level of decline on any other top prospect in the last decade.

For other metrics, this is where I would have chalked it off to PED usage in college and no usage in the Pros. But that doesn't help accuracy. This is just mostly seems mental and his ability to process the pro game at the speed required.
 
What is crazy is that Mac Jones was one of the best prospects for accuracy on deep throws (over 20 yds) which is typically an indicator for success at the next level. But it hasn't carried through. And he's currently the worst on deep throws (2 for 20). It shows the high value of those Alabama pass catchers, DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, John Metchie III and Najee Harris.

Conversely, you have C.J. Stroud who was also super accurate and had one of the greatest WR rooms in college. He was clearly the best QB prospect in this draft and it all carried through to the next level.

And then you have Brock Purdy who made plays like this and this in college but is somehow Tom Brady 2.0 at the next level. It doesn't make any sense sometimes.

When the Pats drafted him everyone knew about the physical limitations, but the thinking was with the Pats complex offense he could overcome that by being a high-end game-manager who would limit the mistakes and be able to make the right calls and throws...boy, has that not been the case...some of his interceptions have been beyond egregious and right now he has zero confidence and looks totally clueless (there is a maturity issue with him as well)...the Pats have done a horrible job developing him but he also has contributed in a big way to his failures...just an utter disaster right now.
Yeah it makes no sense. In college, he could throw a very accurate deep ball despite not having a rocket arm. His WR were often wide open but he was still pinpoint. It's one of the metrics that I personally over index on when evaluating rookie QBs. But it's like he forgot how to do it. I have never seen this level of decline on any other top prospect in the last decade.

For other metrics, this is where I would have chalked it off to PED usage in college and no usage in the Pros. But that doesn't help accuracy. This is just mostly seems mental and his ability to process the pro game at the speed required.

Unfortunately the kid is broken…local reports that he has lost about 80% of the roster just makes this situation even more ugly.
 
What is crazy is that Mac Jones was one of the best prospects for accuracy on deep throws (over 20 yds) which is typically an indicator for success at the next level. But it hasn't carried through. And he's currently the worst on deep throws (2 for 20). It shows the high value of those Alabama pass catchers, DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, John Metchie III and Najee Harris.

Conversely, you have C.J. Stroud who was also super accurate and had one of the greatest WR rooms in college. He was clearly the best QB prospect in this draft and it all carried through to the next level.

And then you have Brock Purdy who made plays like this and this in college but is somehow Tom Brady 2.0 at the next level. It doesn't make any sense sometimes.

When the Pats drafted him everyone knew about the physical limitations, but the thinking was with the Pats complex offense he could overcome that by being a high-end game-manager who would limit the mistakes and be able to make the right calls and throws...boy, has that not been the case...some of his interceptions have been beyond egregious and right now he has zero confidence and looks totally clueless (there is a maturity issue with him as well)...the Pats have done a horrible job developing him but he also has contributed in a big way to his failures...just an utter disaster right now.
Yeah it makes no sense. In college, he could throw a very accurate deep ball despite not having a rocket arm. His WR were often wide open but he was still pinpoint. It's one of the metrics that I personally over index on when evaluating rookie QBs. But it's like he forgot how to do it. I have never seen this level of decline on any other top prospect in the last decade.

For other metrics, this is where I would have chalked it off to PED usage in college and no usage in the Pros. But that doesn't help accuracy. This is just mostly seems mental and his ability to process the pro game at the speed required.
I can explain what happened. Jones had better receivers to work with at Alabama, as well as a line that he frequently had a lot of time to get comfortable to get the ball out. That gave him the illusion of having good footwork, mechanics, decision-making, confidence, and accuracy. As time progressed and things deteriorated in NE, he's become much more indecisive, he's not fully aware of where his linemen are, and his positioning in the pocket usually has been off. Because of that, his footwork, mechanics, arm angle, and release have been poor. It's hard to be accurate when you are not fully aligned with your throw, sometimes turning while throwing, and he's gotten into a ton of trouble trying to throw under pressure off his back foot.

I also think they have so ingrained in him the importance of not turning the ball over that he will see someone tracking open initially but then second guesses himself and tries to find someone more open. Then the freight train comes, and he gets sacked. NE receivers will never be as open as the guys at Alabama were, so instead of having an 8- to 10-foot window, he's been trying to squeeze the ball into 2-foot windows. Being late in his reads, guys that were open then get better covered, he has a tendency to float the ball, and he's been throwing some awful picks. Now he's lost all confidence and has turned into the Patriots version of Zach Wilson.
 
Big whiff. Jones is better than what he's showing. I hope he gets another chance with more talent surrounding him.
That interception was the laziest pick on one of the worst throws I’ve ever seen.

I don’t know how that dude I saw could possibly be better than what I saw. Because good lord.
He's made some terrible plays this year. He tries too hard and that gets him in trouble. NE as a whole stinks.
 
Big whiff. Jones is better than what he's showing. I hope he gets another chance with more talent surrounding him.
That interception was the laziest pick on one of the worst throws I’ve ever seen.

I don’t know how that dude I saw could possibly be better than what I saw. Because good lord.
He's made some terrible plays this year. He tries too hard and that gets him in trouble. NE as a whole stinks.
Yes, but he’s also a big part of why they stink. lol

I have seen him play better, like last year. But even then he had terrible stretches of play to the point they replaced him with Zappe.

Reportedly he’s lost the locker room - that’s bad.
 
NE receivers will never be as open as the guys at Alabama were, so instead of having an 8- to 10-foot window, he's been trying to squeeze the ball into 2-foot windows.
The 2 Miami guys on the NE roster, Gesicki and Parker, had some of the worst separation metrics in the NFL while with the Dolphins. Fitzpatrick, but not Tua, had good success throwing Parker open in 2019. Blame the GM for signing Parker and Gesicki.
 
Speaking Tuesday, Patriots HC Bill Belichick declined to name a starting QB for Week 12.
“I’ve told everybody to be ready to go,” Belichick said on Tuesday. Week 10’s benching of Mac Jones inevitably sparked rumors of an impending quarterback change, but after more than a week, the team has yet to announce who they’ll be rolling with in Week 12. Reports are Mac Jones has continued to take the most reps with the first team offense, but some have suggested the team will decide on the starter based on how practices goes this week. The book isn’t entirely closed on Jones remaining the starter, but he’s also a big part of the reason the Patriots currently sit at 2-8 on the season. If it’s not Jones drawing the start, it will likely come down to Bailey Zappe or Will Grier, who are both on the 53-man roster. Rookie Malik Cunningham, who is currently on the practice squad, would be the other option.
 
Mike Giardi
On Mac Jones, talked to a pair of team sources. One said he's "emotionally and mentally beat up. He's poured everything into it, so to get this little out of it is exhausting." Another added Mac has been "pressing" and is "beat up."
It's just a poor fit for him in New England. He's trying to be a play maker when that's not his lane, he's a game manager who excels when he has legit play makers around him. Also seems to be seeing ghosts and turtles easily under pressure. Needs a change of scenery, it's not happening for him here.
 
I read he did something they didn't like at Mayo's introductory presser.
I didn't quite understand what the prob was. His clothing? Standing nonchalant?

I'd like to know if Mayo was annoyed because in my opinion he could have been on a last straw
 
I read he did something they didn't like at Mayo's introductory presser.
I didn't quite understand what the prob was. His clothing? Standing nonchalant?

I'd like to know if Mayo was annoyed because in my opinion he could have been on a last straw
I believe Jones was finishing up a workout and showed up in his workout clothes before he got cleaned up. Other reporters have said Mac has continued to work out at a similar time at the stadium since the season was over and that he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary or inflammatory (with regards to the introductory press conference).
 
I read he did something they didn't like at Mayo's introductory presser.
I didn't quite understand what the prob was. His clothing? Standing nonchalant?

I'd like to know if Mayo was annoyed because in my opinion he could have been on a last straw
I believe Jones was finishing up a workout and showed up in his workout clothes before he got cleaned up. Other reporters have said Mac has continued to work out at a similar time at the stadium since the season was over and that he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary or inflammatory (with regards to the introductory press conference).
It's bizarre from Mac considering he cleared out his locker completely by that point.
 
I read he did something they didn't like at Mayo's introductory presser.
I didn't quite understand what the prob was. His clothing? Standing nonchalant?

I'd like to know if Mayo was annoyed because in my opinion he could have been on a last straw
I believe Jones was finishing up a workout and showed up in his workout clothes before he got cleaned up. Other reporters have said Mac has continued to work out at a similar time at the stadium since the season was over and that he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary or inflammatory (with regards to the introductory press conference).
It's bizarre from Mac considering he cleared out his locker completely by that point.
Why?
Can't he bring a gym bag and work out?

Since Joe Jureviscius and that staph stuff in Cleveland, there's been a pretty strict cleaning policy that goes into effect when the season is over. Maybe he needed to empty it before chemicals got to all his stuff?

If David says it's nothing then I'll just assume he cleaned it out for some cleanliness or policy thing
 
I read he did something they didn't like at Mayo's introductory presser.
I didn't quite understand what the prob was. His clothing? Standing nonchalant?

I'd like to know if Mayo was annoyed because in my opinion he could have been on a last straw
I believe Jones was finishing up a workout and showed up in his workout clothes before he got cleaned up. Other reporters have said Mac has continued to work out at a similar time at the stadium since the season was over and that he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary or inflammatory (with regards to the introductory press conference).
It's bizarre from Mac considering he cleared out his locker completely by that point.
Why?
Can't he bring a gym bag and work out?

Since Joe Jureviscius and that staph stuff in Cleveland, there's been a pretty strict cleaning policy that goes into effect when the season is over. Maybe he needed to empty it before chemicals got to all his stuff?

If David says it's nothing then I'll just assume he cleaned it out for some cleanliness or policy thing
Do we know for sure that all the other players completely cleared their lockers out too? I just found it interesting that that was mentioned specifically as it pertains to Mac as if it's out of the ordinary. Maybe I (and the media) am looking too far into it. I don't work for them so I couldn't tell you what their policy is.
 
I read he did something they didn't like at Mayo's introductory presser.
I didn't quite understand what the prob was. His clothing? Standing nonchalant?

I'd like to know if Mayo was annoyed because in my opinion he could have been on a last straw
I believe Jones was finishing up a workout and showed up in his workout clothes before he got cleaned up. Other reporters have said Mac has continued to work out at a similar time at the stadium since the season was over and that he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary or inflammatory (with regards to the introductory press conference).
It's bizarre from Mac considering he cleared out his locker completely by that point.
Why?
Can't he bring a gym bag and work out?

Since Joe Jureviscius and that staph stuff in Cleveland, there's been a pretty strict cleaning policy that goes into effect when the season is over. Maybe he needed to empty it before chemicals got to all his stuff?

If David says it's nothing then I'll just assume he cleaned it out for some cleanliness or policy thing
I think we have reached a moment in time where the Boston media has waited a long time to jump over all things NE and to try to stir the pot some while relishing their demise. There are guys in the clubhouse and on staff that will leak stuff that contradicts someone else's leaks, so for now I just take everything with a grain of salt. There's also a lot of finger-pointing going on in terms of why things dropped off like a lead balloon. Coaches are insinuating that it was other coaches that caused problems. Some players are suggesting it was coaches or other players. Bottom line, BB lost the locker room, and there are a lot of unease and lot of unhappy campers. Media reports and interpretations of things that have gone on have led to different conclusions.

For now, I expect a lot of "______________________ was a huge problem with Bill for 5 years now" stories, and the blank will change from week to week. Too restrictive, too much decision-making authority, let things go on too long, didn't bring in help at X position, etc. I expect a lot of articles suggesting that BB should have been dumped after 2020.

As far as Mac goes, I saw reports contradicting other reports. I wasn't there, I haven't really followed much of the noise since Mayo was announced, and I am mostly waiting to see who fills out the staff and what their plan moving forward is.
 
If I were a GM of a team with an older QB, who wasn't looking to draft a QB high, Mac Jones (and/or Kenny Pickett if available) would be exactly the player I'd be targeting. In Jones case, I'd deal a day 3 pick for him if I were say, the Rams, or Vikings, or Saints.
 
If I were a GM of a team with an older QB, who wasn't looking to draft a QB high, Mac Jones (and/or Kenny Pickett if available) would be exactly the player I'd be targeting. In Jones case, I'd deal a day 3 pick for him if I were say, the Rams, or Vikings, or Saints.
day 3 pick is pretty broad as that encompass anywhere from a 4th to a 7th, so worth a lower pick for a backup but neither are starting qb's, that part of their career is over. At least for Jones, most likely for Pickett but maybe give him one more year before can say definitely.
 
If I were a GM of a team with an older QB, who wasn't looking to draft a QB high, Mac Jones (and/or Kenny Pickett if available) would be exactly the player I'd be targeting. In Jones case, I'd deal a day 3 pick for him if I were say, the Rams, or Vikings, or Saints.
day 3 pick is pretty broad as that encompass anywhere from a 4th to a 7th, so worth a lower pick for a backup but neither are starting qb's, that part of their career is over. At least for Jones, most likely for Pickett but maybe give him one more year before can say definitely.
Like a 5th rounder. I think Mac isn't in all that different a spot as Baker Mayfield was going into this year. He's salvageable, for the right offense in my opinion. I actually still think Pickett deserves more time. It really sucks he only got 1 game (due to injury, which he's had issues with) after Canada (the worst OC in the NFL) got fired. I personally think he'd have been better than Rudolph, but that's just a feeling about the play calling after Canada's firing.
 
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If I were a GM of a team with an older QB, who wasn't looking to draft a QB high, Mac Jones (and/or Kenny Pickett if available) would be exactly the player I'd be targeting. In Jones case, I'd deal a day 3 pick for him if I were say, the Rams, or Vikings, or Saints.
day 3 pick is pretty broad as that encompass anywhere from a 4th to a 7th, so worth a lower pick for a backup but neither are starting qb's, that part of their career is over. At least for Jones, most likely for Pickett but maybe give him one more year before can say definitely.
Like a 5th rounder. I think Mac isn't in all that different a spot as Baker Mayfield was going into this year. He's salvageable, for the offense in my opinion. I actually still think Pickett deserves more time. It really sucks he only got 1 game (due to injury, which he's had issues with) after Canada (the worst OC in the NFL) got fired. I personally think he'd have been better than Rudolph, but that's just a feeling about the play calling after Canada's firing.
he's prob worth a 5th, that's worth a halfway decent backup but chances of him being a starter i think are very low.
 
Jones to Denver might be worth a wager. Sean Payton is looking to "fall in love" with a QB and gushed about him back in 2021 (bolded statements are the anti-Wilson).


"I think positive, really positive," Payton told reporters. "He was someone that we were really high on. I think he processes information fast. At Alabama if you watch closely his tape, the ball comes out, decisions are made fast. I think he sees the field horizontally as well as vertically well. He has the arm to make the throws that you want.

"His decision-making and processing are where I felt were really strong suits with him and I think he's handling it well. It's not easy to all of a sudden come in and start week one as a rookie, but he's a smart player."
 
Jones to Denver might be worth a wager. Sean Payton is looking to "fall in love" with a QB and gushed about him back in 2021 (bolded statements are the anti-Wilson).


"I think positive, really positive," Payton told reporters. "He was someone that we were really high on. I think he processes information fast. At Alabama if you watch closely his tape, the ball comes out, decisions are made fast. I think he sees the field horizontally as well as vertically well. He has the arm to make the throws that you want.

"His decision-making and processing are where I felt were really strong suits with him and I think he's handling it well. It's not easy to all of a sudden come in and start week one as a rookie, but he's a smart player."

It is funny looking back at this because I think that there were many (including myself) who felt this way but since his rookie year his decision-making and processing have abandoned him...going to an offensive HC like Payton would be very good for him...he was hung out to dry in New England and he really needs a legit offensive HC/OC to build him back...I also think it would help his career to sit for a year, get a little humble-pie and mature...the kid definitely needs to grow-up if he ever wants an opportunity to be a legit starter in the NFL again.
 

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