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QB Michael Penix Jr., ATL (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Really nice start. Has a special arm
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Really hope Penix looks so good that they bench Cousins at some point this year
Good arm, but high on several balls. He looks confident in the pocket. I saw the MIA-HOU pre-season game last year and noted in this thread that Stroud put the ball accurately into tight windows, under pressure. I need to see more from Penix to know if he'll be a special QB.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed. No one is truly expecting the Falcons to be real contender this season, the defense in particular has too many holes. Cousins is a very good QB, as long as the Falcons are reasonably competitive and he is playing up to the level he can play Cousins will remain the starter in 2024 & 2025. Barring injury 2026 is Penix time.
I think Penix is on the Jordan Love path to NFL relevance.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Maybe those that called it a terrible pick will change their mind at some point.
Everyone keeps saying this with regards to Penix playing. But weren't they one win from the division title last year? Certainly Cousins can make a difference.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
I'll never change my mind on the process.
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
lost 4 of their last 5, 7 of their last 10
they lost to WAS, ARI & CAR
at no time did it feel like they were contenders
did you ever watch Arthur’s pressers last year? I don’t listen to every team every week but I try to hit a few from each team every year. he sounded clinically depressed, I cannot imagine how toxic their culture was.
offense should be good (if Cousins is healthy)
defense is a hot mess
new regime always seems refreshing & injects new life into a regime
feel like the Panthers will be doormats again, Saints could implode (Allen is the odds on favorite to get fired first), so they really just need to take of business against weak teams & they’ll be right there with the Bucs
Chaka
Footballguy
Another way to look at it is they were two losses from a top 5 pick. They drafted 8th in 2024. At no point were the Falcons contending last season.
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
lost 4 of their last 5, 7 of their last 10
they lost to WAS, ARI & CAR
at no time did it feel like they were contenders
did you ever watch Arthur’s pressers last year? I don’t listen to every team every week but I try to hit a few from each team every year. he sounded clinically depressed, I cannot imagine how toxic their culture was.
offense should be good (if Cousins is healthy)
defense is a hot mess
new regime always seems refreshing & injects new life into a regime
feel like the Panthers will be doormats again, Saints could implode (Allen is the odds on favorite to get fired first), so they really just need to take of business against weak teams & they’ll be right there with the Bucs
Another way to look at it is they were two losses from a top 5 pick. They drafted 8th in 2024. At no point were the Falcons contending last season.
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
Feels have nothing to do with it. If they beat the Saints and the Bucs the second time they played them, they would have won the division.
The margin of error in the NFL is always tight.
Chaka
Footballguy
Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she's be a wagon.
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
lost 4 of their last 5, 7 of their last 10
they lost to WAS, ARI & CAR
at no time did it feel like they were contenders
did you ever watch Arthur’s pressers last year? I don’t listen to every team every week but I try to hit a few from each team every year. he sounded clinically depressed, I cannot imagine how toxic their culture was.
offense should be good (if Cousins is healthy)
defense is a hot mess
new regime always seems refreshing & injects new life into a regime
feel like the Panthers will be doormats again, Saints could implode (Allen is the odds on favorite to get fired first), so they really just need to take of business against weak teams & they’ll be right there with the Bucs
Another way to look at it is they were two losses from a top 5 pick. They drafted 8th in 2024. At no point were the Falcons contending last season.
TB 9-8-0
NO 9-8-0
ATY 7-10-0
they might have a bottom 3 roster on the defensive side (which might bode well for Bijan, London & Kirk)
So two wins away
Feels have nothing to do with it. If they beat the Saints and the Bucs the second time they played them, they would have won the division.
The margin of error in the NFL is always tight.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Would absolutely glove fit if Kirk Cuz got $40 MM per to hold the clipboard to end his NFL player career.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
interesting - if he was on a 2-3 yr plan then why not get him some game reps. Possible the JJ injury scared them. Also dont want to throw him behind 2d teamers....however its most likely being uber cautious as Cousins is older and coming back from a major injury. Its very possible he gets a few starts this year so why risk it. Still would like to see him more.
cdclopper
Footballguy
all-22 film for you, Michael Penix vs Miami, since it will be the last time we see him play football for a while. Silly not to play him any more games in the pre-season, and also frustrating. What are you saving him for? I'm a firm believer in rookies getting lots of reps in pre-season even when they're slated as starters.
Against Miami, can't say we learned much while Penix faced vanilla defense. He played on schedule, which is good. This was a concern for me watching him in college holding the ball. There were a few wild throws tho, another concern from college which remains.
Over all not bad.
Against Miami, can't say we learned much while Penix faced vanilla defense. He played on schedule, which is good. This was a concern for me watching him in college holding the ball. There were a few wild throws tho, another concern from college which remains.
Over all not bad.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
He's a difficult prospect for me to evaluate. Has big time draft capital. Balled out at Washington but can't help to think it was a combo of a great system and 3 stud WRs. Just not sure how good of a QB this guy really is. He has an odd delivery and was pretty bad at IU. Want to think the Washington version is who he'll be in the NFL but not super confident in that.
Faust
MVP
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
We are in the midst of what have to be the 3 worst QB decisions in NFL history
-Russ Wilson cut by Denver
-Deshauan Watson trade/contract
And now this...I like Pennix, I even believe in him. Why did this organization put a cousins sized anchor around their neck?
-Russ Wilson cut by Denver
-Deshauan Watson trade/contract
And now this...I like Pennix, I even believe in him. Why did this organization put a cousins sized anchor around their neck?
Harjiran
Footballguy
Russell Wilson cut by Denver, or signed by Denver?
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Several reasons I can see.
- They paid Cousins before the NFL draft.
- They are in win now mode and it was never a guarantee they'd be able to draft Penix, and even if they did, if he was going to be the best answer for the 2024 season. They have a strong roster and were drafting from a position of strength. I'm sure they want to get a look at some of their recent skill position draft picks with a real veteran QB under center. Plus, ask the Packers how much of a luxury it is to be able to win while developing your franchise's future. Make no mistake, Penix is the future here and they probably felt this was their best chance at solidifying that future vs hoping they'd be able to find a guy they like in future drafts.
- Outside of QB and some great talent at the WR position which the team arguably didn't need either, this draft was pretty weak and unimpressive across the board. Not really top heavy, and not much depth either. There weren't a lot of guys sitting there at 8 outside of maybe Odunze that would have been a guarantee to jump in and help the team immediately.
- Cousins' contract is heavily front-loaded. Almost all of his guarantees will be paid in the first two years of the contract. The anchor isn't nearly as heavy as you may think
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Both were pretty bad decisions, but obviously the signing was one of the worst moves in NFL history. The trade wasn't egregious. but the extension was. If it's me, you're paying the guy, keep him around. But Payton obviously didn't get along with him and Payton got his guy anyway so the team can now at least start to move on.
Harjiran
Footballguy
Cousins was playing pretty well last year before the injury - if he's fully recovered, he elevates that offense immediately. If not, Penix is waiting in the wings. I'm sure the Falcons were getting tired of leading the league in poor QB play, and were pleased to be able to fix that in one offseason. They have an embarrassment of riches now - I guess there are worse situations to be in.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Cousins (if healthy) gives them a chance to compete. It is great for London, Pitts and Bijan. They signed Cousins before they knew who they would get in the draft. You have to go with what you have now and if something good falls in your lap later then take it.
Penix was picked for the future. No reason to rush him. He can sit behind Cousins and learn. Even Mahomes sat behind Smith.
Some people, "Penix is soooo old. He will be retired by the time he starts".
Fun Fact - Cousins sat for the first 3 years in WSH and didn't start until he was 27.
Even if Penix sits for 2 years while Cousins plays out his contract, he will be 26 when he gets his shot.
Bottom line - Cousins is great for ATL now while Penix is ready to take over if/when needed.
metoo
Footballguy
Wow. It’s amazing how you guys are coming around now. Many on this forum called the pick silly and he went too high. I think we start seeing more teams start drafting QBs regardless of need. If they have an early pick and a QB is rated highly their going off the board. Anybody but Mahomes can get it.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I've always been in on Penix and the pick. I think it is smart when teams don't rush their rookie QB into battle too early. Jordan Love says hi.
I don't think anyone would argue having multiple good QBs is a problem. The problem is they aren't going to get the full benefit of having a good QB on a rookie deal or they will have the overhang of Cousins contract if they move on. If you think Penix is that sure of a bet they should have not signed Cousins and been prepared to do whatever it took to move up and get Penix. The cap relief from playing good rookie QBs from day one is the biggest advantage a team can have.
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The Atlanta Falcons’ Cap Issues With Kirk Cousins And Michael Penix
The NFL Draft's biggest head-scratcher was the Atlanta Falcons’ selection of Michael Penix Jr.—and no one was more shocked than starting quarterback Kirk Cousins.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What if cousins was throwing to odunze, London and pitts and handing off to bijan? That’s win now.
I know this has been litigated to death but. Seeing them like penix is just so befuddling. There are great cases for either, none for both.
I’m taking a ton of penix as my last best ball pick, so I believe, I wish were were getting some run here
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Not me. If I'm going the "win now" route then it's either Odunze or a day 1 defensive starter to instantly upgrade either the DL (PFF #28) or DB (PFF #22). Easy
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Don't get me started...
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
It's not really befuddling in the least to me. and I mentioned Odunze for a reason. Atlanta has been stuck in QB purgatory for some time now, so I get that they're trying to cover their bases especially after taking a RB, WR and TE in the top 10 of the draft in the last 3 seasons. And when you look at what's coming out of college next year, the picture becomes even clearer for me. Outside of Shadeur, the rest of the class seems pretty uninspiring. This year was an anomaly at the position and across the board really, perfect time to shoot your shot if you believe in a guy's talent.
Odunze was the only player on the board at the time that I felt could really help the team right away, or at least had a better than average shot to do so....but how much? The team is pretty much loaded at the offensive skill positions. If they can't make it work with Bijan, Allgeier, London, Mooney and Pitts, well Odunze probably wasn't going to put them over the top anyway.
Cousins is coming off an Achilles injury. I know he's a slow QB, but he's still getting up there in years and it's a tough injury to overcome for almost anyone. There's a reason they front loaded his contract so heavily. It's easy to get out from under it if he breaks or Penix becomes the man. If you have a chance to draft your franchise QB of the future, even if you're in win now mode, why not do it? It worked for the Chiefs. It worked for the Packers. My feelings on Penix aside, I have no problem with the move. Seems prudent.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
All fair, I don’t reject the idea that penix is the guy
You just could have had heinecke for a 10th of the cousins money
Zow
Footballguy
I thought they would be a strong candidate to draft Dallas Turner to immediately help on defense.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Well said
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Well, more than one team had medical concerns with Turner, so he slipped to 17. That's just the reality of it all, and Indy will be forever tied to that than any other team. Turner was a highly graded prospect with medical issues, issues concerning enough that caused multiple teams to pass on a potential superstar to address needs elsewhere, it is what it is. We'll see if GMs made the right move passing on him, or not. Atlanta wasn't the only one. If Penix becomes what Atlanta thinks he can be, it's all irrelevant anyway and I think anyone with a a bit of sense would agree a franchise QB is more important than an edge rusher. Atlanta's D has played pretty well of late considering the pressure their inept offense has placed on them. I guess there's no point in arguing the point until we see what Atlanta does this year and what Penix becomes. Judon was a huge get for them, as was Simmons and then Bates last season. If anything, the team needs more help at corner but you'd probably agree this draft was pretty much devoid of blue chip DB talent. Look, we all have thoughts, none of us can see the future so I guess we just gotta give the situation time to marinate.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How long before Penix is starting in Atlanta?
-Cousins was lined up in the shotgun a lot because he's not fully healed, he can't move
TJ Watt and the Steelers decided they could tee off
-Cousins was lined up in the shotgun a lot because he's not fully healed, he can't move
TJ Watt and the Steelers decided they could tee off
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Next four gamesHow long before Penix is starting in Atlanta?
Eagles
Chiefs
Saints
Buccs
So after 1-4, you give Penix the Panthers Week 6
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
FTR: It's Atlanta so I don't really believe they will actually play Penix until the season is completely gone and they are staring a Top 5 pick in the faceNext four gamesHow long before Penix is starting in Atlanta?
Eagles
Chiefs
Saints
Buccs
So after 1-4, you give Penix the Panthers Week 6
Remember that part of the Falcons reasoning for taking Penix with the 8th pick despite Cousins being signed to a huge contract in the off season...
"We won't be in this spot again to take a Quarterback" and the media semi-bought this like the Falcons were forward thinking Wizards
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
They have no chance with the Eagles and ChiefsFTR: It's Atlanta so I don't really believe they will actually play Penix until the season is completely gone and they are staring a Top 5 pick in the faceNext four gamesHow long before Penix is starting in Atlanta?
Eagles
Chiefs
Saints
Buccs
So after 1-4, you give Penix the Panthers Week 6
Remember that part of the Falcons reasoning for taking Penix with the 8th pick despite Cousins being signed to a huge contract in the off season...
"We won't be in this spot again to take a Quarterback" and the media semi-bought this like the Falcons were forward thinking Wizards
I think the saints and bucks pass rush will be too much for Kirk now
0-5 looking listless, Kirk with no legacy in Atlantia, I just don't think you survive that as a QB
