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Then trade pick 8 for nothing but future picks
I'd sit the bench for 40 million a year
If the NFL came out in next few days and said they found Atlanta and Cousins guilty of tampering and were voiding his contract I'd merely think it was a bad pick, a reach, instead of one of the worst all time conceived picks.
This. If you're going to have a QB develop behind a vet then do it with a 21 y/o with a clean bill of health and huge upside.
Lol. This is a silly take a bunch of reasons
Let's say they trade Cousins, it will cost them what $90 million in dead cap money and the pick they are likely to lose for tampering? Penix better win a couple Super Bowls to justify that for a player that never sees the field.
Also, any team that wanted to pay Cousins $45m a year would have done it a month ago.
I haven't followed the team closely but I don't recall reading anyone saying that signing Cousins was a dumb move. Which, if they weren't even close & given his age we would have. Therefor, if he makes sense then investing in the future AND having a capable backup also makes sense. Oh, but they could've traded back & gotten him later. I can't speak to that, I'm not aware of what sort of move they may or may not have entertained. I do know that I wasn't able to make any sense of Penix being included in Washington's 4-QB party. There were any number of QB-needy teams selecting after Atlanta. We heard a lot about how the league liked McCarthy more so than the media & the public. Obviously, this was true of Penix jr. Seems reasonable to assume that if they didn't take him, he was coming off the board just a handful of picks later anyway. Dual objective pick, well done IMO.Atlanta playing chess against the rest of the NFL’s checkers, and it only cost them a measly $180M to fool everyone that they weren’t after a QB at #8. Genius level IMO.
I'll start with this entry but will be bumping others I made a couple months back...
Bump this onePenix has the best arm in this draft class in my opinion, but that's really the only thing about his game I like. He's got a really long release, poor mechanics, and mediocre accuracy.Michigan played a high shell and dared Penix to throw short and mid. There is a big concern about this part of his game. I heard one analyst say it’s because of the angle how he throws that makes it not conducive for these types of throws. If this is truly a concern he will be off the board for the Broncos. Payton just got rid of a guy who couldn’t make these throws.Lol. I like Penix, but I'm just curious if Chase Daniel thought Penix was a "magician" putting on a performance for the ages when he finally faced a real defense against Michigan.x.com
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Note: Not a directed at you personally, Faust.
I don't know if its the angle of how he throws that makes him struggle with shorter throws (it could be, that's for someone with a better scouting eye than me) but I think it could also be his slower release makes it easier for defenders to get a jump on throws in traffic. I always felt that was a big part of Jameis Winston's problem too. Daunte Culpepper had that issue too, once he lost Moss and defenses didn't just leave the short stuff open.
Personally, I've got Penix as QB6 in this draft, and while that doesn't mean I don't think he can be an NFL starter, as I like this class a lot, I think its a tougher needle for him to thread. I think he needs to probably sit for a year and work on mechanics. I worry that if he has to start as a rookie, its not gonna be pretty. Ideally someone like say, New Orleans would end up with him, where they can sit him behind Carr for a year, and he'll have at least 1 really good deep WR in Olave to grow with.
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-And yet he completed over 65% of his passes the last 2 seasons...ARich was like under 55%, 52% perhaps? And you think Penix can't be accurate?
It's not just you but others that are also in this link. All good, just FTR, Penix completes a lot of throws
And since he can't toss a short ball according to all of you, he must be deadly down the field...
4,600+ pass yds and 31 TDs in '22
4,900+ pass yds and 36 TDs in '23
Took a school/team not usually considered a player to make the CFP and managed to get them to the Championship round, and apparently played NO ONE until Michigan
That's an incredibly short sighted Bio on this guy but again Trav, not solely directed at you.
24 in 2 weeks
If they don't think they will pick high again, then trade the pick for future picks instead of now sitting the #8 pick and his salary for so long they won't even know if they should exercise his 5th year option when he will be 27 or 28 having not even played yet.
Not only is Green Bay an anomaly, the situations aren't really comparable. Green Bay's QBs were starters for a decade when their successors were drafted. Cousins has yet to take a snap for MIN. Plus, the pick was also significantly higher.
And you could see Penix and family in the green room none too happy as well. The fakest smiles I’ve seen in a long time.
I wasn't here in 2005, but I remember the Rodgers pick being almost universally highly thought of as a major steal of a guy many (most?) thought was the best player in the entire draft class at #24.
It can work, and there are some situations we can point to and say similar plans have worked: the Packer plan twice (Farve and Rodgers) (Love and Rogers), The Chiefs plan (Mahomes and Smith), and even the Bengal plan (Palmer and Kitna). Now, none of these are the same, and there are differences but some similarities as well. I wonder if any analytical data could support an increase of the 50% bust on first-round quarterbacks by sitting them on one or multiple seasons. If you could point to data supporting this, I would find it interesting, but there likely is not, and the sample size would be small. I would think without going back in the way back time machine and reviewing data from when it was a mindset to sit rookie quarterbacks. Does bring up a fun concept article idea and research project.
Fair points, and ultimately nobody will care about all of this if Penix turns out to be great.
It wasn’t? Which one was worse?
I think D. Robinson was a late-2nd early 3rd caliber player, who is too slow to be a DE, and too small to be a DT. He's a guy who strikes me as a borderline NFL starter. Not what I'd want in round 1, and if Arizona thinks he's a DT, taking him over Newton was crazy.
I think the Penix pick is pretty solid too.I like the Penix pick for ATL.
The more I think about this its also a move to cut QB money.
Most GB fans and folks here complained at the time.
I think the Penix pick is pretty solid too.I like the Penix pick for ATL.
What do you think about the Kirk Cousins signing?
Normally those 2 things wouldn't be related, but in this case, it sure seems like the Falcons threw $100 million guaranteed at a 38 YO QB that just tore his Achilles before they scouted the upcoming rookie class to see if there might be somebody good to draft at 8.
I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative theory that makes sense.
I think the Penix pick is pretty solid too.I like the Penix pick for ATL.
What do you think about the Kirk Cousins signing?
Normally those 2 things wouldn't be related, but in this case, it sure seems like the Falcons threw $100 million guaranteed at a 38 YO QB that just tore his Achilles before they scouted the upcoming rookie class to see if there might be somebody good to draft at 8.
I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative theory that makes sense.
My man.I think the Penix pick is pretty solid too.I like the Penix pick for ATL.
What do you think about the Kirk Cousins signing?
Normally those 2 things wouldn't be related, but in this case, it sure seems like the Falcons threw $100 million guaranteed at a 38 YO QB that just tore his Achilles before they scouted the upcoming rookie class to see if there might be somebody good to draft at 8.
I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative theory that makes sense.
I think Cousins is a good QB, not a great QB. Shrinks in marquee games, no playoff legacy to date. But I think he's the perfect QB to unlock the offensive weapons Aurthur Smith and Co. could not. If he can't make Kyle Pitts and Drake London relevant nobody can, so you give him this year to run the offense, show Penix how it's done, let the kid learn from a pro and make a decision next year and beyond.
NFL money is stupid, it's a variable that always changes. What seems egregious today may seem ordinary in 2 years. Falcons have a lot of young, cheap talent. Penix included. He's an insurance policy, a good one, potentially a great one.
66 different people played QB last year. I'd rather have Penix today that 40 of those guys who played QB last year. Imagine if the Vikings had a Penix last year...
A good point, but I think the age of the prospect and draft capital used are both big factors making this a lot worse.
Do you know who blatantly tampers to give a broken 38YO $100m guaranteed and a no-trade clause?I think the Penix pick is pretty solid too.I like the Penix pick for ATL.
What do you think about the Kirk Cousins signing?
Normally those 2 things wouldn't be related, but in this case, it sure seems like the Falcons threw $100 million guaranteed at a 38 YO QB that just tore his Achilles before they scouted the upcoming rookie class to see if there might be somebody good to draft at 8.
I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative theory that makes sense.
I think Cousins is a good QB, not a great QB. Shrinks in marquee games, no playoff legacy to date. But I think he's the perfect QB to unlock the offensive weapons Aurthur Smith and Co. could not. If he can't make Kyle Pitts and Drake London relevant nobody can, so you give him this year to run the offense, show Penix how it's done, let the kid learn from a pro and make a decision next year and beyond.
NFL money is stupid, it's a variable that always changes. What seems egregious today may seem ordinary in 2 years. Falcons have a lot of young, cheap talent. Penix included. He's an insurance policy, a good one, potentially a great one.
66 different people played QB last year. I'd rather have Penix today that 40 of those guys who played QB last year. Imagine if the Vikings had a Penix last year...
