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Yeah, and that's going to stick in his craw forever.
Agreed. This isn't golf or tennis where it's 1 on 1. It's a team sport with a thousand other variables that are out of the control of the starting QBs. I doubt anyone holds Brady's 1-3 record against Peyton Manning in AFCCGs against him, and I don't think Mahomes' 0-2 record vs Brady should be a major factor either.
I’m worried it’ll be a repeat of last year. Cruise through the regular season not really pushing guys and trying to stay healthy, and then go off in the playoffs. It was almost like they purposely peaked at the right time.
That’s a good point.
Last year the offense sputtered and they had to become more efficient with “small ball” to find ways to move down the field. Spags did another heck of a job with the defense and they were somehow able to win the SB. A minor miracle with what they had at receiver. I doubt with the acquisitions they made that they are just going to “cruise” through the regular season in hopes of saving everyone for the playoffs. Home field advantage is a big deal and the NFL is competitive. Their division will be a little tougher and they have that much more of a target on their back. Pat & Andy are not going into each game hoping to win by 3.
The only thing is they playing for Chips now and they want to play the long game .. It gets dicey tho too Patty wants to put up stats as well .. So, it’s interesting
Everyone is playing for the trophy, the minute you think you can take your foot off the pedal is when you get passed. Andy and Pat want to throw the ball, last year they did not have that option. They traded up in the first to take speedy Worthy and signed another speedy Brown. They will get back to throwing down the field this year.
Yeah I agree. I just can’t explain why and how teams do this. It’s not the first time a sports team looks lackluster in the regular season and then dominates in the playoffs.
I'm bored, so I figured I would play Devil's Devil's advocate. Take it with a grain of salt, because I'm tipsy and probably don't believe anything I'm typing. I just like arguing for the sake or arguing.Imma play Devil’s advocate for a moment. Humor me - could be an interesting discussion. I welcome counterpoints to the points I’m gonna make here.
So that all said, is it just me, or is it possible that Mahomes is overrated as a FF asset? Mahomes is so good. How good is he? He finishes QB8 and people forget he was QB1 as recent as the year before.
I can’t shake the feeling that a lot of the big play ability left KC with Tyreek Hil. That maybe that was a once in a lifetime pairing, and FF managers are going to spend the rest of Mahomes career chasing that fix & never get it again. Mahomes threw for the most yards in his career the year AFTER Tyreek left the team. I think Tyreek was bringing him down actually.
I know there’s a lot of excitement for a bounce back season with an influx of receiving talent. Brown, Rice (for however many games), Worthy, (with the not impressive Skyy Moore & wildly unreliable Toney Behind them) - but is it really an exciting WR room? Rashee Rice, Marquise Brown, and Xavier Worthy or Juju Smith-Schuster, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and Mecole Hardman. Which trio do you prefer?
Kelce is Kelce of course, but age catches up with everyone. Not the great TE's. Travis will be turning 35 this year. From ages 35-37, Gonzo finished TE4, TE2, TE4. Kelce still has plenty in the tank.
The dude with the most upside is probably Rice, and he’s likely to miss time. The closer we get to the start of the season, the less likely it is that Rice will miss time.
They also run a lot more than in Mahomes monster seasons, and their defense is quietly improving with really solid LB & some elite pass rushers coming in to their own. Mahomes has thrown more in the last 3 seasons (38.1 passes per game) than he did in his first 3 (36.7 passes per game).
Bear in mind, I am not in any way diminishing Mahomes as a real life QB. I’m just wondering if he’s still top tier for FF. He averaged QB4 from 2018 thru 2020 and the same QB4 from 2021 thru 2023. And this year guess what, he is ranked QB4.
Is his upside still 50 TD? Color me skeptical. C'mon man! 50 TD's has happened 3 times in NFL history, and he has one of them. He is the last QB to throw for 5K and also the last QB to throw 40+ TD's though, so I'd say he has the highest QB upside.
/devil’s advocate
All good - it’s exactly why I posted it.
Now this is fun! Lemme throw 6 numbers out to you - 58.5%, 58.8%, 59.0%, 59.5%, 59.5%, 59.6% - all very close, right? Those are the percentages of pass vs run for Mahomes 6 yrs as a starter. To say the Chiefs have been running alot more is fallacy - they have been very consistent thru Mahomes' career.All good - it’s exactly why I posted it.
I’m not saying I agree with everything I posted - like I said, devil’s advocate.
But I do get that gut feeling a little. Just a little.
Also, one nit to pick - he’s passed more because the Chief’s deep passing game has been virtually nonexistent over that span. I read an article about how the offense has struggled to get anything going deep the last year+. Naturally that will lead to boss passing because they’re moving the chains a lot more than they are a deep strike offense. Just a counterpoint to your counterpoint to my point.
Would you be totally sbocked if he didn’t crack the top 5 in FF this year?
Let me rephrase that. They’ve been running more effectively.Now this is fun! Lemme throw 6 numbers out to you - 58.5%, 58.8%, 59.0%, 59.5%, 59.5%, 59.6% - all very close, right? Those are the percentages of pass vs run for Mahomes 6 yrs as a starter. To say the Chiefs have been running alot more is fallacy - they have been very consistent thru Mahomes' career.All good - it’s exactly why I posted it.
I’m not saying I agree with everything I posted - like I said, devil’s advocate.
But I do get that gut feeling a little. Just a little.
Also, one nit to pick - he’s passed more because the Chief’s deep passing game has been virtually nonexistent over that span. I read an article about how the offense has struggled to get anything going deep the last year+. Naturally that will lead to boss passing because they’re moving the chains a lot more than they are a deep strike offense. Just a counterpoint to your counterpoint to my point.
Would you be totally sbocked if he didn’t crack the top 5 in FF this year?
I just had to add the above, because I don't have much of an answer for last year's deep passing game. The only trustworthy pass-catchers last year were RB's, Rice, and Kelce. Why throw it to scrubs way downfield when you know they have hands of stone? But if you are trying to include 2022 into KC's non-existent deep passing game, look at the numbers. He bested his career average in yards gained per pass attempt, adjusted yards gained per pass attempt, and yards gained per pass completion. 2023 Mahomes was smart enough to know you don't throw it a streaking MVS who has a career 50% catch rate.
And yes, I would be shocked if Mahomes didn't finish top 5.
But not really much of a difference.
Damn you and your nerdy statistics against my D/A gut feels & eye tests!
You know what would be really fun? If we swapped stances and I said Mahomes will falter, while you say he will top the QB rankings.Damn you and your nerdy statistics against my D/A gut feels & eye tests!
First of all, how dare you.
Absolutely agree
… people are saying that Caleb’s “ultimate smash case” is to be Mahommes, Rodgers -esq. I don’t think there’s actually comps being thrown out there stating that it’s going to happen.
Callme crazy, but I’d still rather have Mahomes.
meh...will never make it in this league if he doesn't tighten up the spiral.
should have a great year, but no chance i get him on any team. too much depth at QB.
This is accurate. And why I don’t understand all the hype about him going nuclear.
Rule 1: Don't hold grudges against players/strategies that might not have worked out last year.
Yep. I made the playoffs mainly because of Allen and Puka.
Went with Cook but was hard to pass on Pat who went a few picks after.
Problem is you will also have to watch Kelce. That wasnt a great move.
