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QB Spencer Rattler, NO (1 Viewer)

FarFromHome said:
Grahamburn said:
Gonna slice and dice the Bucs.
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The week before Cousins ripped em for 500 yards Hurts struggled. Nix didn't throw a TD pass before that. Goff didn't throw a TD pass before that. Rattler is gonna dice em? Let's circle back on this. Ha ha
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Somewhat tongue in cheek.

Been high on Rattler and these types of QBs just have a great record against the Bucs.

That being said Kancey (full) and Winfield (limited) may both be back this week so they could be the healthiest they’ve been all season. And I think they’ll be licking their chops for a rookie QB making his first start after that performance against Kirk.
 
Have Tua (who is hurt), Carr (who is out), Stafford and Darnold who are on byes.. So picked up Rattler who I don't expect much from

My season is done anyway with all the injuries
 
Grahamburn said:
He looked fairly good in the first half with their scripted plays. Then Bowles kind of went into his bag of tricks to confuse him.
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At one point mid-second quarter, Rattler was 10 of 13 with one TD pass.

What Bowles specifically did was employ a zone blitz most of the rest of the game. Rattler (and the patchwork O-line missing three starters + two backups) was consistently unable to pick out where the pass rush was coming from. Lots of free hitters against a rookie QB … Rattler went 12 of 27 with two picks the rest of the way.
 
Also lost Olave quite early. Wouldn’t surprise me with the season going down the toilet that they start evaluating for 2025 and Rattler could be a missing piece for a franchise qb. We will see though. Carr ain’t it
 
I traded Rattler away before the game started in a SF dynasty league that is tight with QBs. I wasn't a huge believer and wanted to sell the hype. I thought he looked pretty good for a first start and I'm a bit upset to have let him go.
 
Spencer Rattler completed 25-of-35 passes for 172 yards in the Saints’ 33-10, Week 7 loss to the Broncos, also losing two fumbles.

Rattler’s second fumble was really more of a pick-six where he coughed the ball up into the air under pressure. He was lucky it wasn’t his second fumble-six of the evening, as he had an earlier one called back by an offsides penalty. Rattler was hit while throwing on his first cough up. That one thankfully didn’t result in a Broncos house call. That was the only good news of the night for an overmatched rookie who took a seat late and watched Jake Haener promptly lead a touchdown drive. Rattler’s supporting cast made for a hopeless situation, but he failed to overcome it to the degree that it’s fair to wonder if Haener gets the call in Week 8 against the Chargers if Derek Carr isn’t ready to return. More than anything, Rattler was making really poor reads.
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I kind of want to give a day 3 rookie playing with backups at every single position a bit of a pass, but man that was atrocious. I'm always thought of Rattler as a long-term backup level prospect, like a Minshew type, but considering GB was also out multiple starting DBs, a shut out looks rough.

I kinda wonder if maybe Derek Carr hasn't gotten enough credit for how competent the Saints offense has looked for most of this season.
 
travdogg said:
I kind of want to give a day 3 rookie playing with backups at every single position a bit of a pass, but man that was atrocious. I'm always thought of Rattler as a long-term backup level prospect, like a Minshew type, but considering GB was also out multiple starting DBs, a shut out looks rough.

I kinda wonder if maybe Derek Carr hasn't gotten enough credit for how competent the Saints offense has looked for most of this season.
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Kamara and the improved scheme deserve most of that credit, Carr maybe a little but but that guy throws hospital balls constantly which doesn't help.
 
travdogg said:
I kind of want to give a day 3 rookie playing with backups at every single position a bit of a pass, but man that was atrocious. I'm always thought of Rattler as a long-term backup level prospect, like a Minshew type, but considering GB was also out multiple starting DBs, a shut out looks rough.

I kinda wonder if maybe Derek Carr hasn't gotten enough credit for how competent the Saints offense has looked for most of this season.
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Rattler prob not great but it's an impossible task to for a rookie QB to play against a good D w/ as you say backups at every position
 
What did he learn?

Kellen Moore needs to NOT have easy practices if he's going to find his QB.

I've said earlier that I like that this kid learns. I have a major problem with him throwing to the same route in the same spot the very next play and repeating an INT but after that, he really does genuinely obviously learn.

I'm rarely right on young QBs especially since Eli's atrocious rookie year. The only thing I'm right on is "it factor" and learning.

He has my radar up.

Mind you I didn't even have him last year and he's at the end of a big dynasty roster with two clear starters ahead of him so I have about nothing invested and no risk.
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Cosell raved about Shough. Raved! He's not often wrong and what he had to say after the praise was that Shough needed some seasoning and wasn't quite ready. He's maybe not getting that time to develop and that's an issue.

I am planning to draft Shough this coming weekend and haven't noticed him once going at his ADP. Definitely after.

What's my investment gonna be? A second or third and a WW pickup? The ROI will be thru the roof so I'm very comfortable with this process.

Some people are not being true to life or realistic or some word.
You would be thrilled if you get a starter where these two are going.
Just stop pretending they're gonna start for your FF team and comparing them to Herbert or Burrow or whoever. They are what they are. Today that's a real good wth draft choice for FF
 
Bri said:
Just stop pretending they're gonna start for your FF team and comparing them to Herbert or Burrow or whoever. They are what they are. Today that's a real good wth draft choice for FF
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Do some really think this?

I’ll keep him on my bench in SF but then he shares that bench with Flacco, Winston, hooker and Ty Taylor. :shrug:
 
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Kinda think the Saints add a veteran of note. I'd be really surprised if they just went with Shough/Rattler/Haener.

Maybe whomever loses the Pickett/Flacco competition? Moore has Pickett ties. Maybe Wentz? Jameis would make sense if NY cuts him (if they view Dart as ready to be the #2 right away) but I don't know if they'd have a reunion with a new staff.

I don't see them bringing in Rodgers, or trading for Cousins, thinking someone how could start, but not necessarily would be handed the job. O'Connell maybe?
 
travdogg said:
Kinda think the Saints add a veteran of note. I'd be really surprised if they just went with Shough/Rattler/Haener.

Maybe whomever loses the Pickett/Flacco competition? Moore has Pickett ties. Maybe Wentz? Jameis would make sense if NY cuts him (if they view Dart as ready to be the #2 right away) but I don't know if they'd have a reunion with a new staff.

I don't see them bringing in Rodgers, or trading for Cousins, thinking someone how could start, but not necessarily would be handed the job. O'Connell maybe?
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Winston back in NO would be great.
 
eighsse2 said:
scothawk said:
Donnybrook said:
Rattler is the Saints best hope for turning this franchise around. He has that 'it' factor that can secure the Saints the number 1 pick in 2026.
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I read the first sentence and mouth was open. I read the second and laughter came out the open mouth
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Nice play-by-play, just need a color commentary guy.
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Now here's a guy that was a little confused at first but stuck with the play and ended up in the endzone of hilarity.
 
Bri said:
What did he learn?

Kellen Moore needs to NOT have easy practices if he's going to find his QB.

I've said earlier that I like that this kid learns. I have a major problem with him throwing to the same route in the same spot the very next play and repeating an INT but after that, he really does genuinely obviously learn.

I'm rarely right on young QBs especially since Eli's atrocious rookie year. The only thing I'm right on is "it factor" and learning.

He has my radar up.

Mind you I didn't even have him last year and he's at the end of a big dynasty roster with two clear starters ahead of him so I have about nothing invested and no risk.
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Cosell raved about Shough. Raved! He's not often wrong and what he had to say after the praise was that Shough needed some seasoning and wasn't quite ready. He's maybe not getting that time to develop and that's an issue.

I am planning to draft Shough this coming weekend and haven't noticed him once going at his ADP. Definitely after.

What's my investment gonna be? A second or third and a WW pickup? The ROI will be thru the roof so I'm very comfortable with this process.

Some people are not being true to life or realistic or some word.
You would be thrilled if you get a starter where these two are going.
Just stop pretending they're gonna start for your FF team and comparing them to Herbert or Burrow or whoever. They are what they are. Today that's a real good wth draft choice for FF
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Situation to watch for sure. His relative lack of mobility was a really bad combination behind that banged up OL. Wonder what he took from that experience.
 

(Every pass over 20 yards with a supposed clean pocket.)

I don't mind most of these misses.
I see an INT and high throw and one too far. The others...my head goes to the WR if any blame. Sometimes just eh well that play didn't work.
"Put it where the WR can get it" is what he's doing quite well.
Some of the non catches are floated and there's not much more he can do. Go get it
 
Interesting radio bit where coach talked about Rattler being told to essentially be fearless and throw it anyway last year.
Moore seems genuinely fascinated by the concept and the progress he made.
(Idk how I'd feel if I'm a saints fan and wanting to win games)
He explained how in the QB room Rattler is so above and beyond where he would have been had he just played the game.
Host said bad decisions, make em!
And they laughed but Moore explained there is an enormous difference from his college tape and rebuilding the mental part of his game was their goal.

Host said Shough will be safe while Rattler takes risks.
Moore agreed and said they both will have to adjust the other direction.

What I thought was really cool is he named some random film guy on the air and how he did such great work gathering similar plays in college and rookie year, that he let him sit in when they went over it with Rattler.

There were like 100 quotes about Rattlers mental adjustments last year and ...were they all PR type untrue feeding what people want to hear?

He sounded like he has some concern about Shough moving the ball down the field. Gotta make big plays when they're there.

I thought of Winston. Guy never saw a throw he wouldn't take. Is this like a redo or adjustment to a theory? Different staff but everyone knows Jameis.
 
Last year's checklist included, but not exclusively:
- Lame duck coaching and game plan
- Low expectations per draft capital and college fall from grace
- First team practice reps with Carr around = none
- OL lacking healthy players and talent
- No Kamara for run support
- Pre-season level starting WRs as Olave and Shaheed were done for the year

All a set-up for failure of a year for the rook.

Fantasy football players looking at stat line: Wow, he completely sucks!
Those knowing / watching the situation: Not as bad as they are saying.
Media and fans remembered / hated his QB1 TV showing as a bad teammate and extremely entitled personality, but also loved his Arizona state all-time leader in passing / arm strength.
Future: history looking back later on NFL career stat tracking = He's what his stats say he is.

Hoping for a better cast and crew this time around. Wins may not be there though.
Still intrigued by that arm of his.
 
Bri said:
Interesting radio bit where coach talked about Rattler being told to essentially be fearless and throw it anyway last year.
Moore seems genuinely fascinated by the concept and the progress he made.
(Idk how I'd feel if I'm a saints fan and wanting to win games)
He explained how in the QB room Rattler is so above and beyond where he would have been had he just played the game.
Host said bad decisions, make em!
And they laughed but Moore explained there is an enormous difference from his college tape and rebuilding the mental part of his game was their goal.
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Very interesting. He was often under siege his senior year for sure.
 
Riffraff said:
Last year's checklist included, but not exclusively:
- Lame duck coaching and game plan
- Low expectations per draft capital and college fall from grace
- First team practice reps with Carr around = none
- OL lacking healthy players and talent
- No Kamara for run support
- Pre-season level starting WRs as Olave and Shaheed were done for the year

All a set-up for failure of a year for the rook.

Fantasy football players looking at stat line: Wow, he completely sucks!
Those knowing / watching the situation: Not as bad as they are saying.
Media and fans remembered / hated his QB1 TV showing as a bad teammate and extremely entitled personality, but also loved his Arizona state all-time leader in passing / arm strength.
Future: history looking back later on NFL career stat tracking = He's what his stats say he is.

Hoping for a better cast and crew this time around. Wins may not be there though.
Still intrigued by that arm of his.
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Could Rattler be a fine QB? Sure. Will the Saints be any good? Doubtful. They have a ton of rebuilding to do.
 
Rattler got the WRs together for a workout.

I'm not sure if Shough has the keys. Everyone seems to think he does but Rattler has done the dishes and waxed the car and took out the garbage
 
Bri said:
Rattler got the WRs together for a workout.

I'm not sure if Shough has the keys. Everyone seems to think he does but Rattler has done the dishes and waxed the car and took out the garbage
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Shough has also had private workouts with the WR's.
 
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