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QB Spencer Rattler, NO (2 Viewers)
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So the minicamp, the coach comments, the QB that sets up workouts with the WRs...all that did matter as I expected and he was QB1 today.
I've been posting this. I think it's noteworthy for everyone that has Shough as a lock and didn't pay attention.
Tomorrow, Shough gets the be QB1.
They will rotate until, until Moore doesn't want to.
I think it's also considerable that the veteran reporters that saw him last year and ...everything...they're saying how he looked very good today. (I really recommend reading some of these)
It's shorts. It's early.
So ...I won't be, but Saints fans probably will. We need to keep track of this race.
It seems like Shough can only match him tomorrow and not get an edge.
It's just one day! But it's really not. Guy worked hard with all these chances and got team support and did well in the spring and this feels more like validation.
I think this competition was to be a smidge less than Ward/Levis with Ward the obvious starter and in this case Shough. However I think it's been established that this is going to be a battle
I've been posting this. I think it's noteworthy for everyone that has Shough as a lock and didn't pay attention.
Tomorrow, Shough gets the be QB1.
They will rotate until, until Moore doesn't want to.
I think it's also considerable that the veteran reporters that saw him last year and ...everything...they're saying how he looked very good today. (I really recommend reading some of these)
It's shorts. It's early.
So ...I won't be, but Saints fans probably will. We need to keep track of this race.
It seems like Shough can only match him tomorrow and not get an edge.
It's just one day! But it's really not. Guy worked hard with all these chances and got team support and did well in the spring and this feels more like validation.
I think this competition was to be a smidge less than Ward/Levis with Ward the obvious starter and in this case Shough. However I think it's been established that this is going to be a battle
I've always thought Rattler would and should get a shot. He wasn't good as a rookie, but circumstances couldn't have been much worse for him. By the time he took over, Chris Olave, Rashid Shaheed, and Alvin Kamara were all out. How many young QBs are succeeding without their top-3 weapons? He had 1 game early on with Olave and Kamara, and while he wasn't great, he was for them, as Olave put up 18.7, and Kamara put up 18.2, despite neither having a TD.
Personally, I want Rattler to win the job or at least start week 1.
ETA: The shutout against GB was rough, especially on a Monday Night for everyone to see, but it could just have been a blip. This QB room gives me 2024 Raiders vibes, with Rattler as Minshew, and Shough as O'Connell. Much like that Raiders team, there is fantasy value to be had here, as NO will likely be playing catchup a lot. I doubt its at QB, but Kamara/Olave both seem like guys who could be very useful, and maybe Shaheed too.
Personally, I want Rattler to win the job or at least start week 1.
ETA: The shutout against GB was rough, especially on a Monday Night for everyone to see, but it could just have been a blip. This QB room gives me 2024 Raiders vibes, with Rattler as Minshew, and Shough as O'Connell. Much like that Raiders team, there is fantasy value to be had here, as NO will likely be playing catchup a lot. I doubt its at QB, but Kamara/Olave both seem like guys who could be very useful, and maybe Shaheed too.
Gatorade
Footballguy
I do too. I picked him up in two dynasty leagues last year but don't need him in either now. I just want his trade value to go up. Best offer so far from the Shough owner has been Sam Howell.
Well I had him with almost no chance and now that it's growing and growing I still think it's Shough but...maybe 20-40%. I can't seem to give him 50% I guess.
Pads are going to involve the OL and DL "actually playing" and I think we'll start to see which QB can manage the presnap reads best and that should be a fairly considerable task.
Moore talks a lot about timing and rhythm. Shough may start behind with his nerves but I assume good things once he shakes them off.
Like whatshisname that Miami added from U of Texas, we can't forget Rattler was once a valued prospect and has some elite traits. He is capable of being a monkey wrench
That's about where we are. https://www.footballguys.com/projec...=NO&durationTypeKey=preseason&posGroupKey=all
Currently have Rattler for 5 games and Slough for 12. But lots to be determined.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
Is that pronounced Sluck?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
People are going to forget how good Shaheed looked last year.
I Think SFB did Shaheed some good with fans. Sincerely.
Rattler isn't scared to throw anywhere and probably can throw anywhere. He was to be very much a project or product of coaching.
It's somewhat typical for a QB to look better in year two camp. There's so much to learn and adjust to that one year makes an enormous difference. Regardless, I think ya gotta give last year's staff credit. They seem to have done some good coaching.
I'm a big Cosell fan. He liked Shough a bunch during predraft and he too was intrigued by Rattler and the coaching. So I'm guaranteed to enjoy his perspective on this and get good info by watching and listening to him.
Moore has been nicely chatty about the QBs. I've been a fan of his for years. I used to say the Boys needed to put him in when Dak was hurt and the backups struggled.
Nussmeier is their OC and his son is one of the best prospects and oh BTW goes to LSU. I understand there is a considerably large contingent that would be so happy they lose their minds if he goes to the Saints and gets coached by his dad.
But what about Shough and Rattler? In one context, sure what happens to them if Garrett is drafted. BUT what about the context that this dude clearly can teach a young guy to play QB? Moore is a former QB and youngish himself and...I'm really intrigued by the Saints QB situation.
All the best to Carr but it feeds my curiosity and interest that he retired.
I didn't mention Haener who everyone consistently says is no slouch himself.
Rattler has long had a problem of NOT doing the same mistake 2-3 times. In college, he could plan to hit a WR running a crossing pattern and be intercepted. He comes back on and sonofa gun he did it again! AFTER this, then he clearly improves- so there is clear learning- but he had like a character flaw in self blame vs fluke INT or something mental amidst that. How does a coach fix that? You're wrong you're wrong you're oh so wrong now go believe in yourself and don't do it again? The sting from the second INT; I feel that and I'm watching. I can only imagine the staff and Rattler.
Everyone seems to show the same video of Shough having a terrible game and just getting worse. Clearly no one on the Internet has ever had a bad day.
I see this competition as who makes the least mistakes, sure, but also very much about who adjusts well after they do. Moore keeps talking about the mental side of being a QB and I guess that he's referring to some of this too
Joe you remember Larry Centers and some others. I've long learned that a QB can not get too comfortable dumping the ball to the RB. He's gotta learn, that's not how the game is played, it's easily defensible etc.
I wonder about Kamara to these young QBs. His history of having many catches is mostly because that was a good counter play call to whatever play happened before.
I'm sure some panic throws here n there, but these young guys gotta let Kamara be Kamara. My guy isn't young and he doesn't need to be rushed towards retirement by dump passes setting him up for big hits.
They shifted their line around to have 3-4 Ts on the field at one time and are relying on a rookie LT to play very well- a risky proposition.
I've got no problem thinking good thoughts for 2026 but how are they gonna do while they "work out the kinks" here?
Whoever is the second QB that starts (FBG projection), he better not show us he has to learn the same things as the guy before him. Progress is so vital for this team in 2025. I like the backup RBs. I even like some of their lesser WRs as full tilt effort guys.
My concern is wanting to bring the first guy back in the name of progress for the others. If Rattler starts and does meh and then Shough comes in. Everyone will have him the future and matter of time quotes. Well don't make the same mistakes or else Rattler could very well be back in.
I can't be the regular updater in this thread too.
They went thru the three QBs and then Haener got the first rep on the way back thru the three.
It seems wide open still.
Writeups seem to be "who makes less bad mistakes" and I don't think that's what they're looking for.
Cosell today talking about Cam Ward is what I'm used to hearing- rhythm and pace. Moore talks like this too.
Rattler moves them methodically down the field or Rattler hit five different targets on this drive. That's what I know Moore likes.
Shough has more sacks than both. He should. He's a rookie and calling out OL assignments or adjustments is new. That's gotta stop for him and he's got a get comfy.
Haener is very often second best and I'm not sure if that's good or bad now.
Again very much a battle still
They went thru the three QBs and then Haener got the first rep on the way back thru the three.
It seems wide open still.
Writeups seem to be "who makes less bad mistakes" and I don't think that's what they're looking for.
Cosell today talking about Cam Ward is what I'm used to hearing- rhythm and pace. Moore talks like this too.
Rattler moves them methodically down the field or Rattler hit five different targets on this drive. That's what I know Moore likes.
Shough has more sacks than both. He should. He's a rookie and calling out OL assignments or adjustments is new. That's gotta stop for him and he's got a get comfy.
Haener is very often second best and I'm not sure if that's good or bad now.
Again very much a battle still
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Shough is having a bad practice and his haters are coming out on X.
I think he might be knocked down pretty good to third now.
"Funny" quote on Sirius last week I think but stuck with me- calm is good, you can work with calm.
That was in reference to Haener and it's simple yet paints a decent picture of Rattler and Shough too.
Cam Ward is even keel. Fields is panicking. Tyrod just gets to work. I think there's a valid underlying strong reason that QBs mentality is commonly brought up all over the league right now. I think this is a time NFL people are starting to look ahead and be realistic about what they project.
I think a Saints trade is very likely now normally but their cap makes it impossible. Admittedly they afford things I'm always wrong on but...look for Moore to make some changes to the offense and be upset about it. He's already got them working with a stripped down version and his first HC job was probably envisioned as far more offensively but he's gotta change things.
Are they running a ton more in practice and getting on the OL to improve? Calling a lot of quick short routes to minimize the QBs thinking?
If I'm right then this competition starts over- who runs the high school offense the best? And this will be a point to remember for the off-season. Moore is gonna get a QB that can run his offense so don't get too happy if someone runs a super modified simple offense well.
I think he might be knocked down pretty good to third now.
"Funny" quote on Sirius last week I think but stuck with me- calm is good, you can work with calm.
That was in reference to Haener and it's simple yet paints a decent picture of Rattler and Shough too.
Cam Ward is even keel. Fields is panicking. Tyrod just gets to work. I think there's a valid underlying strong reason that QBs mentality is commonly brought up all over the league right now. I think this is a time NFL people are starting to look ahead and be realistic about what they project.
I think a Saints trade is very likely now normally but their cap makes it impossible. Admittedly they afford things I'm always wrong on but...look for Moore to make some changes to the offense and be upset about it. He's already got them working with a stripped down version and his first HC job was probably envisioned as far more offensively but he's gotta change things.
Are they running a ton more in practice and getting on the OL to improve? Calling a lot of quick short routes to minimize the QBs thinking?
If I'm right then this competition starts over- who runs the high school offense the best? And this will be a point to remember for the off-season. Moore is gonna get a QB that can run his offense so don't get too happy if someone runs a super modified simple offense well.
I've always thought Rattler>Shough, but I can see a trade happening. Kenny Pickett would make a ton of sense if he doesn't win the Browns job, as he was with Moore in Philly last season, and played decently in limited action.
Somewhat related, I do wonder if we (the consensus fantasy community) are too low on Kamara again.
I don't think the Saints 2026 starting QB is currently on the roster.
The Saints lost their C and last year's starter has been dealing with a recurring groin injury for a long time now. A UDFA C is expected to take over.
Idk McCoy's return date
A center is especially important to inexperienced QBs getting the line set and calling out blocking assignments.
Shough is an older player so maybe he's fine here but this likely gives Rattler a bit of an advantage since he has some experience.
Sacks allowed may be an issue to look for the next two weeks
Idk McCoy's return date
A center is especially important to inexperienced QBs getting the line set and calling out blocking assignments.
Shough is an older player so maybe he's fine here but this likely gives Rattler a bit of an advantage since he has some experience.
Sacks allowed may be an issue to look for the next two weeks
Think that's their plan.
