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QB Spencer Rattler, NO (1 Viewer)
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So the minicamp, the coach comments, the QB that sets up workouts with the WRs...all that did matter as I expected and he was QB1 today.
I've been posting this. I think it's noteworthy for everyone that has Shough as a lock and didn't pay attention.
Tomorrow, Shough gets the be QB1.
They will rotate until, until Moore doesn't want to.
I think it's also considerable that the veteran reporters that saw him last year and ...everything...they're saying how he looked very good today. (I really recommend reading some of these)
It's shorts. It's early.
So ...I won't be, but Saints fans probably will. We need to keep track of this race.
It seems like Shough can only match him tomorrow and not get an edge.
It's just one day! But it's really not. Guy worked hard with all these chances and got team support and did well in the spring and this feels more like validation.
I think this competition was to be a smidge less than Ward/Levis with Ward the obvious starter and in this case Shough. However I think it's been established that this is going to be a battle
I've been posting this. I think it's noteworthy for everyone that has Shough as a lock and didn't pay attention.
Tomorrow, Shough gets the be QB1.
They will rotate until, until Moore doesn't want to.
I think it's also considerable that the veteran reporters that saw him last year and ...everything...they're saying how he looked very good today. (I really recommend reading some of these)
It's shorts. It's early.
So ...I won't be, but Saints fans probably will. We need to keep track of this race.
It seems like Shough can only match him tomorrow and not get an edge.
It's just one day! But it's really not. Guy worked hard with all these chances and got team support and did well in the spring and this feels more like validation.
I think this competition was to be a smidge less than Ward/Levis with Ward the obvious starter and in this case Shough. However I think it's been established that this is going to be a battle
I've always thought Rattler would and should get a shot. He wasn't good as a rookie, but circumstances couldn't have been much worse for him. By the time he took over, Chris Olave, Rashid Shaheed, and Alvin Kamara were all out. How many young QBs are succeeding without their top-3 weapons? He had 1 game early on with Olave and Kamara, and while he wasn't great, he was for them, as Olave put up 18.7, and Kamara put up 18.2, despite neither having a TD.
Personally, I want Rattler to win the job or at least start week 1.
ETA: The shutout against GB was rough, especially on a Monday Night for everyone to see, but it could just have been a blip. This QB room gives me 2024 Raiders vibes, with Rattler as Minshew, and Shough as O'Connell. Much like that Raiders team, there is fantasy value to be had here, as NO will likely be playing catchup a lot. I doubt its at QB, but Kamara/Olave both seem like guys who could be very useful, and maybe Shaheed too.
Personally, I want Rattler to win the job or at least start week 1.
ETA: The shutout against GB was rough, especially on a Monday Night for everyone to see, but it could just have been a blip. This QB room gives me 2024 Raiders vibes, with Rattler as Minshew, and Shough as O'Connell. Much like that Raiders team, there is fantasy value to be had here, as NO will likely be playing catchup a lot. I doubt its at QB, but Kamara/Olave both seem like guys who could be very useful, and maybe Shaheed too.
Gatorade
Footballguy
I do too. I picked him up in two dynasty leagues last year but don't need him in either now. I just want his trade value to go up. Best offer so far from the Shough owner has been Sam Howell.
Well I had him with almost no chance and now that it's growing and growing I still think it's Shough but...maybe 20-40%. I can't seem to give him 50% I guess.
Pads are going to involve the OL and DL "actually playing" and I think we'll start to see which QB can manage the presnap reads best and that should be a fairly considerable task.
Moore talks a lot about timing and rhythm. Shough may start behind with his nerves but I assume good things once he shakes them off.
Like whatshisname that Miami added from U of Texas, we can't forget Rattler was once a valued prospect and has some elite traits. He is capable of being a monkey wrench
That's about where we are. https://www.footballguys.com/projec...=NO&durationTypeKey=preseason&posGroupKey=all
Currently have Rattler for 5 games and Slough for 12. But lots to be determined.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
Is that pronounced Sluck?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
People are going to forget how good Shaheed looked last year.
I Think SFB did Shaheed some good with fans. Sincerely.
Rattler isn't scared to throw anywhere and probably can throw anywhere. He was to be very much a project or product of coaching.
It's somewhat typical for a QB to look better in year two camp. There's so much to learn and adjust to that one year makes an enormous difference. Regardless, I think ya gotta give last year's staff credit. They seem to have done some good coaching.
I'm a big Cosell fan. He liked Shough a bunch during predraft and he too was intrigued by Rattler and the coaching. So I'm guaranteed to enjoy his perspective on this and get good info by watching and listening to him.
Moore has been nicely chatty about the QBs. I've been a fan of his for years. I used to say the Boys needed to put him in when Dak was hurt and the backups struggled.
Nussmeier is their OC and his son is one of the best prospects and oh BTW goes to LSU. I understand there is a considerably large contingent that would be so happy they lose their minds if he goes to the Saints and gets coached by his dad.
But what about Shough and Rattler? In one context, sure what happens to them if Garrett is drafted. BUT what about the context that this dude clearly can teach a young guy to play QB? Moore is a former QB and youngish himself and...I'm really intrigued by the Saints QB situation.
All the best to Carr but it feeds my curiosity and interest that he retired.
I didn't mention Haener who everyone consistently says is no slouch himself.
Rattler has long had a problem of NOT doing the same mistake 2-3 times. In college, he could plan to hit a WR running a crossing pattern and be intercepted. He comes back on and sonofa gun he did it again! AFTER this, then he clearly improves- so there is clear learning- but he had like a character flaw in self blame vs fluke INT or something mental amidst that. How does a coach fix that? You're wrong you're wrong you're oh so wrong now go believe in yourself and don't do it again? The sting from the second INT; I feel that and I'm watching. I can only imagine the staff and Rattler.
Everyone seems to show the same video of Shough having a terrible game and just getting worse. Clearly no one on the Internet has ever had a bad day.
I see this competition as who makes the least mistakes, sure, but also very much about who adjusts well after they do. Moore keeps talking about the mental side of being a QB and I guess that he's referring to some of this too
Joe you remember Larry Centers and some others. I've long learned that a QB can not get too comfortable dumping the ball to the RB. He's gotta learn, that's not how the game is played, it's easily defensible etc.
I wonder about Kamara to these young QBs. His history of having many catches is mostly because that was a good counter play call to whatever play happened before.
I'm sure some panic throws here n there, but these young guys gotta let Kamara be Kamara. My guy isn't young and he doesn't need to be rushed towards retirement by dump passes setting him up for big hits.
They shifted their line around to have 3-4 Ts on the field at one time and are relying on a rookie LT to play very well- a risky proposition.
I've got no problem thinking good thoughts for 2026 but how are they gonna do while they "work out the kinks" here?
Whoever is the second QB that starts (FBG projection), he better not show us he has to learn the same things as the guy before him. Progress is so vital for this team in 2025. I like the backup RBs. I even like some of their lesser WRs as full tilt effort guys.
My concern is wanting to bring the first guy back in the name of progress for the others. If Rattler starts and does meh and then Shough comes in. Everyone will have him the future and matter of time quotes. Well don't make the same mistakes or else Rattler could very well be back in.
I can't be the regular updater in this thread too.
They went thru the three QBs and then Haener got the first rep on the way back thru the three.
It seems wide open still.
Writeups seem to be "who makes less bad mistakes" and I don't think that's what they're looking for.
Cosell today talking about Cam Ward is what I'm used to hearing- rhythm and pace. Moore talks like this too.
Rattler moves them methodically down the field or Rattler hit five different targets on this drive. That's what I know Moore likes.
Shough has more sacks than both. He should. He's a rookie and calling out OL assignments or adjustments is new. That's gotta stop for him and he's got a get comfy.
Haener is very often second best and I'm not sure if that's good or bad now.
Again very much a battle still
They went thru the three QBs and then Haener got the first rep on the way back thru the three.
It seems wide open still.
Writeups seem to be "who makes less bad mistakes" and I don't think that's what they're looking for.
Cosell today talking about Cam Ward is what I'm used to hearing- rhythm and pace. Moore talks like this too.
Rattler moves them methodically down the field or Rattler hit five different targets on this drive. That's what I know Moore likes.
Shough has more sacks than both. He should. He's a rookie and calling out OL assignments or adjustments is new. That's gotta stop for him and he's got a get comfy.
Haener is very often second best and I'm not sure if that's good or bad now.
Again very much a battle still
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Shough is having a bad practice and his haters are coming out on X.
I think he might be knocked down pretty good to third now.
"Funny" quote on Sirius last week I think but stuck with me- calm is good, you can work with calm.
That was in reference to Haener and it's simple yet paints a decent picture of Rattler and Shough too.
Cam Ward is even keel. Fields is panicking. Tyrod just gets to work. I think there's a valid underlying strong reason that QBs mentality is commonly brought up all over the league right now. I think this is a time NFL people are starting to look ahead and be realistic about what they project.
I think a Saints trade is very likely now normally but their cap makes it impossible. Admittedly they afford things I'm always wrong on but...look for Moore to make some changes to the offense and be upset about it. He's already got them working with a stripped down version and his first HC job was probably envisioned as far more offensively but he's gotta change things.
Are they running a ton more in practice and getting on the OL to improve? Calling a lot of quick short routes to minimize the QBs thinking?
If I'm right then this competition starts over- who runs the high school offense the best? And this will be a point to remember for the off-season. Moore is gonna get a QB that can run his offense so don't get too happy if someone runs a super modified simple offense well.
I think he might be knocked down pretty good to third now.
"Funny" quote on Sirius last week I think but stuck with me- calm is good, you can work with calm.
That was in reference to Haener and it's simple yet paints a decent picture of Rattler and Shough too.
Cam Ward is even keel. Fields is panicking. Tyrod just gets to work. I think there's a valid underlying strong reason that QBs mentality is commonly brought up all over the league right now. I think this is a time NFL people are starting to look ahead and be realistic about what they project.
I think a Saints trade is very likely now normally but their cap makes it impossible. Admittedly they afford things I'm always wrong on but...look for Moore to make some changes to the offense and be upset about it. He's already got them working with a stripped down version and his first HC job was probably envisioned as far more offensively but he's gotta change things.
Are they running a ton more in practice and getting on the OL to improve? Calling a lot of quick short routes to minimize the QBs thinking?
If I'm right then this competition starts over- who runs the high school offense the best? And this will be a point to remember for the off-season. Moore is gonna get a QB that can run his offense so don't get too happy if someone runs a super modified simple offense well.
I've always thought Rattler>Shough, but I can see a trade happening. Kenny Pickett would make a ton of sense if he doesn't win the Browns job, as he was with Moore in Philly last season, and played decently in limited action.
Somewhat related, I do wonder if we (the consensus fantasy community) are too low on Kamara again.
I don't think the Saints 2026 starting QB is currently on the roster.
The Saints lost their C and last year's starter has been dealing with a recurring groin injury for a long time now. A UDFA C is expected to take over.
Idk McCoy's return date
A center is especially important to inexperienced QBs getting the line set and calling out blocking assignments.
Shough is an older player so maybe he's fine here but this likely gives Rattler a bit of an advantage since he has some experience.
Sacks allowed may be an issue to look for the next two weeks
Idk McCoy's return date
A center is especially important to inexperienced QBs getting the line set and calling out blocking assignments.
Shough is an older player so maybe he's fine here but this likely gives Rattler a bit of an advantage since he has some experience.
Sacks allowed may be an issue to look for the next two weeks
Think that's their plan.
OMG I'm sorry
He was traded to the Eagles. That's so dopey. I'm sorry
Birdie048
Footballguy
Statorama
Footballguy
He played with a lot of confidence in the pre-season and actually looked like an NFL QB. He's still not very good, but at least now he has some Jameis in him (and that can lead to FF points).
Desert_Power
Footballguy
It is definitely something to watch. I thought he looked a little apprehensive last year behind an injured OL, an extension of his last year in college.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Been digging a bit more - 2 QB leagues will do that to ya - and I'm growing more optimistic about Rattler as a late-round or waiver swing if you need him as a QB2/3. Dude gets more than a decent amount of rushing points and has a cannon to throw to Olave/Shaheed. And while the Saints have a new staff this year, we forget how hot they started last season until injuries wiped them out. Also heard a podcast describe how their enitre starting OL is comprised of young 1st or 2nd rounders...
Banks Jr., Kelvin 25/1
Penning, Trevor 22/1
McCoy, Erik 19/2
Ruiz, Cesar 20/1
Fuaga, Taliese 24/1
Rattler could for sure flop. But he has a decent setup it seems for some fantasy success - especially considering cost and expectations.
Statorama
Footballguy
It's obvious he put in some work this offseason, and I think Moore is a lot better for his development than Allen was.
LawFitz
Footballguy
It's kinda weird how much the fantasy community wrote him off after showing some flashes as a rookie in a gawd-awful setup last year. I'm sure it's due to draft pedigree as a 5th rounder and general lack of enthusiasm for the Saints, but still... Many players make huge leaps in year 2 after getting in a full professional offseason. And we forget that dude was being projected as a potential first pick overall talent before losing his job to Caleb Williams and then getting his *** kicked for two seasons after he transferred. He has bigtime physical talent if he can keep the INT/Fum under control - which of course, he may not at all. Still though, there is some serious upside under this rock for 2 QB formats if the stars do align. I imagine he's on many/most 2QB/SF wires right now - def worth picking up and squating on just to see how week 1 goes.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Part of me wonders if Coach Moore decided on Rattler to give Shough a bit more time to develop and get comfortable. The second half schedule looks a little less daunting than the first plus the bye week.
1 Sun, Sep 7 vs Cardinals 1:00 PM CBS
2 Sun, Sep 14 vs 49ers 1:00 PM FOX
3 Sun, Sep 21 @ Seahawks 4:05 PM CBS
4 Sun, Sep 28 @ Bills 1:00 PM CBS
5 Sun, Oct 5 vs Giants 1:00 PM CBS
6 Sun, Oct 12 vs Patriots 4:25 PM CBS
7 Sun, Oct 19 @ Bears 1:00 PM FOX
8 Sun, Oct 26 vs Buccaneers 3:05 PM FOX
9 Sun, Nov 2 vs Rams 3:05 PM FOX
10 Sun, Nov 9 @ Panthers 1:00 PM FOX
11 — BYE— —
12 Sun, Nov 23 vs Falcons 3:25 PM FOX
13 Sun, Nov 30 @ Dolphins 1:00 PM FOX
14 Sun, Dec 7 @ Buccaneers 1:00 PM CBS
15 Sun, Dec 14 vs Panthers 4:25 PM FOX
16 Sun, Dec 21 vs Jets 1:00 PM CBS
17 Sun, Dec 28 @ Titans 1:00 PM CBS
18 TBD @ Falcons TBD TBD
1 Sun, Sep 7 vs Cardinals 1:00 PM CBS
2 Sun, Sep 14 vs 49ers 1:00 PM FOX
3 Sun, Sep 21 @ Seahawks 4:05 PM CBS
4 Sun, Sep 28 @ Bills 1:00 PM CBS
5 Sun, Oct 5 vs Giants 1:00 PM CBS
6 Sun, Oct 12 vs Patriots 4:25 PM CBS
7 Sun, Oct 19 @ Bears 1:00 PM FOX
8 Sun, Oct 26 vs Buccaneers 3:05 PM FOX
9 Sun, Nov 2 vs Rams 3:05 PM FOX
10 Sun, Nov 9 @ Panthers 1:00 PM FOX
11 — BYE— —
12 Sun, Nov 23 vs Falcons 3:25 PM FOX
13 Sun, Nov 30 @ Dolphins 1:00 PM FOX
14 Sun, Dec 7 @ Buccaneers 1:00 PM CBS
15 Sun, Dec 14 vs Panthers 4:25 PM FOX
16 Sun, Dec 21 vs Jets 1:00 PM CBS
17 Sun, Dec 28 @ Titans 1:00 PM CBS
18 TBD @ Falcons TBD TBD
LawFitz
Footballguy
We are all sleeping on this dude. He showed way more flashes than I thought last year. Dude was a tailor threading the needle regularly to separation-less receivers...
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Quick release gun, brave in the pocket, and has functional mobility with the ability to throw on the run. He reminds me of Favre more and more as I watch clips.
Looking fwd to see what he can do with Olave, Shaheed and Kamara.
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Quick release gun, brave in the pocket, and has functional mobility with the ability to throw on the run. He reminds me of Favre more and more as I watch clips.
Looking fwd to see what he can do with Olave, Shaheed and Kamara.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oof. I think most pundits are correct when they have the Saints with a good chance to pick first in the draft. Cheering for the kid so that my shares of Shaheed are viable. I'm not sanguine about either player’s success.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree with you that he has some tools to work with. I would be more optimistic if he was this regimes QB that they wanted to develop, but that is Shough. I think Rattler is almost in a lose-lose scenario here unless he somehow consistently plays at a high level through the first 5-7 games and they win some games that they were not supposed to.We are all sleeping on this dude. He showed way more flashes than I thought last year. Dude was a tailor threading the needle regularly to separation-less receivers...
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Quick release gun, brave in the pocket, and has functional mobility with the ability to throw on the run. He reminds me of Favre more and more as I watch clips.
Looking fwd to see what he can do with Olave, Shaheed and Kamara.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
We are all sleeping on this dude. He showed way more flashes than I thought last year. Dude was a tailor threading the needle regularly to separation-less receivers...
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Quick release gun, brave in the pocket, and has functional mobility with the ability to throw on the run. He reminds me of Favre more and more as I watch clips.
Looking fwd to see what he can do with Olave, Shaheed and Kamara.
“Spencer Rattler scouting report:
PROS:
Kinda looks like Patrick Mahomes from 100 feet away
CONS:
Can't play quarterback”
Football Jones
Footballguy
I suspect we'll see Shough by mid-season, if not sooner.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
It's within the realm of possibility that this happens week 1.
The buildup is three Heisman level QBs, Murray and Baker and Hurts.
Each thought they were the next prized one. They got whatever spoiling being a (?) star recruit in high school and "drawn" to OU.
They were each angry about the other being there and when one did well it was like "I can do that too."
OU flashback: Spencer Rattler benched for Caleb Williams in comeback win over Texas on this day in 2021
In Oct. 9, 2021, Sooner Magic returned with an improbable 55-48 win over Texas.
Rattler on Eisen recently
Saints’ Spencer Rattler gets testy on losing QB job to Caleb Williams at Oklahoma
New Orleans Saints quarterback Spencer Rattler recently got testy when discussing losing the QB job to Caleb Williams at Oklahoma.
Then Lincoln Riley left imploding the program and took Caleb with him and Rattler to South Carolina
massraider
Footballguy
He'd be a lot more interesting with almost any other team.
If he's going to make it, he needs a much, much better surrounding cast.
If he's going to make it, he needs a much, much better surrounding cast.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I actually think his cast is decent, which he did not have at his disposal last year. They have invested a lot in the oline, Olave/Shaheed/Cooks/Vele, Kamara…not terrible. I do think he is in a tough spot to keep his job and would rather see him as the “developing” QB behind a veteran to learn from.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Rattler has plenty of weapons to work with. I believe I saw where their OL was ranked in the bottom third so that could definitely be an issue. I just don't think he's very good. I question whether Rattler can even be a solid backup in the league.
Not sure where I'd put the over/under before we see Shough, but it's coming this season.
Not sure where I'd put the over/under before we see Shough, but it's coming this season.
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Chaka
Footballguy
200 targets for Olave!!!
