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QB Teddy Bridgewater (1 Viewer)
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az_prof
Footballguy
He is a very good runner but he hasn't used it much. There was a great run of his in the pre-season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This is not true at all.
Teddy likely would have been sacked about 20 more times than he was last season if not for his ability to escape.
mr roboto
Footballguy
This. I swear some people never actually watch any ####### football. I've read more takes this offseason that are actually legitimately completely the opposite its stunning.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree. That is why I appreciate it when folks like SSND post links to the games as a way to fight this ignorance.
I think some folks who post here know better but are just amused by lying for some reason. A form of fishing? Or they think they are throwing people off and pushing players ADP down? I can't really explain it. Hard enough to figure out things without all the misinformation being thrown around.
beef
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
IF you could trade a 2017 6th rd rookie pick for Teddy, would you do it?
curious, my league only has 2 rounds rookie draft, has a 6th round pick ever led to a decent player?
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
of course
Brown, Jatavis
Diggs, Stefon
Rawls, Thomas
John Brown
Smith, Harrison
Foles, Nick
Benjamin, Travis
There always seems to be 1-2 6th rd picks each year that have future value.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think this depends on what your league rules and how many roster spots you have available.Unwrittenlaw said:
A 6th round pick shouldn't be worth much at all. The question is how long will you carry Teddy?
A lot of league have injured reserve rules that would allow you to stash Teddty there without using up a regular roster spot.
If your league only allows 20 roster spots, starts only 1 QB out of 10 or less teams and does not have IR options then I don't see Teddy being worth a regular roster spot in 2017.
If your league starts two QB then this makes holding Teddy for the possibility that he recovers and plays in 2018. Otherwise I don't see much demand for Teddy. If here it is a long term stash to see if he recovers.
I think Teddy's injury was serious enough that everyone should consider his chances of playing again to be low. Less than a coin flip.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
ADP and whomever wrote that article need to realize that passing numbers in 2001 and today are not apples to apples.
Brady in his first season had a passer rating of 86.5 and ranked 7th in the league.
Bridgewater in his first season had a passer rating of 85.2 and ranked 22nd in the league.
So sure, their passer ratings were similar . . . but 86.5 was good 15 years earlier but not so good now.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I don't think the offense Norv was running with Teddy should be considered modern era, but otherwise I agree with your overall point.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Careful, you might be accused of trolling and parroting information "everyone knew at the time of the injury"Faust said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
No you are the only one doing that. There are a lot of players whos injuries it could be useful to talk about, for example Keenan Allen, but you are not talking about them. Those are actually difficult and a medical perspective about such players useful.
Talking about a players injury situation a full two months after it occurred is not ground breaking in any way and helps no one. Yet you still want credit for it for some strange reason.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I saw that. Kind of looks like the field in Eden Prarie and the past couple days here have been nice like that.
I have to wonder if it is old footage though. I guess Teddy's instagram went private shortly after this was posted.
Borden
Footballguy
Paging @Hankmoody you're by contract/CBA guy.
Is it possible for Vikings to trade Bridgewater to a new team and then have the new team exercise the 5th year option? If not, how much of the contract would Min be responsible for if they were to extend him then trade him?
Is it possible for Vikings to trade Bridgewater to a new team and then have the new team exercise the 5th year option? If not, how much of the contract would Min be responsible for if they were to extend him then trade him?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Yes, they can trade him and a new team can exercise the 5th year. I can't imagine that happening though, because that money is guaranteed for injury.
The liability of guaranteed money falls to the team that owns the rights at the time it's paid. So if they exercise the 5th year option and trade him, the new team would be on the hook for that guaranteed money (plus whatever 2017 salary is left at the time of the trade). Same if they extend him, whatever MIN paid him they take the cap hit for and whatever future dollars/contract terms the new team would be on the hook for.
Borden
Footballguy
Borden
Footballguy
I don't see why a team wouldn't offer the Vikings a 7th round pick for Bridgewater. For the Vikings it's better than nothing.
For the other team, you get exclusive first rights to sign a potential starting QB. For a 7th round pick who probably has, at best, an equal shot of helping the team. You'd also have the option of using the extension is contract negotiations are going slow but seem to be heading in the right direction. That option would likely only be useful if it is the Browns because of their cap room. For a team with an old vet though, this seems like a pretty slick move.
For the other team, you get exclusive first rights to sign a potential starting QB. For a 7th round pick who probably has, at best, an equal shot of helping the team. You'd also have the option of using the extension is contract negotiations are going slow but seem to be heading in the right direction. That option would likely only be useful if it is the Browns because of their cap room. For a team with an old vet though, this seems like a pretty slick move.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If you're not going to exercise the 5th year option, I agree, makes sense to get something for him. However, what he is likely to sign for in 2018, if any team signs him, is going to be very low, possibly veteran minimum (depending on if he plays and how well he plays this year). So the 5th year option may actually be more money than he'd cost as a FA.
Plus, depending what he signs for it's possible that MIN gets a compensation pick for him??? Not sure..
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Borden
Footballguy
I agree. That's why I said it would only be used to buy more time to work on an extension. Or at least that's what I meant to say.
On the flip side, if Bridgewater does come back and puts in a couple good or even average games he's going to get paid huge money in FA. Like Osweiler for example.
I think a team could sign him to a very team friendly contract right now too. Not underpaid but just heavy incentive based.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
No they don't. He'll be UFA after this year, anyone can make him an offer and the original team has no recourse to limit or match/retain the offer. The 5th year option closes in May of this year, so a new team has zero leverage except for the Franchise Tag to keep TBW.
He's worth more than that for MIN to hold onto. If someone does sweep in and sign him next year he'll bring a better compensatory pick in return.
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Borden
Footballguy
After this year. That means that a team (who trades for Bridgewater) would have a portion of time where they owned his rights. That was the "exclusive" rights I was talking about. I used real terms "exclusive rights" by accident.
As for TBW being worth it to hold, the whole point of the article was that they were going to release him. I think he would be worth in any case. So, I guess we agree?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
We have discussed the scenarios in the Vikings thread.
I think it is feasible for the Vikings to pay both Bradford and Teddy. Even if they used the 5th year option and extended Bradford. It would just require some sacrifices in their budget for other positions and not an ideal allocation of resources. As Hank points out, Teddy can likely be signed to a new contract for less of a cap hit than the 5th year option would cost.
If Shariff Floyd ins't healthy enough to play this year, the Vikings are still on the hook for his salary under the rules of the 5th year option they used on him last year. The Vikings had a lot of cap space last season ($20-30 million) tied to injured players. It isn't a situation they wanted to repeat with another player. For how much RIck Spielman has talked up the benefit of the 5th year option, it has come back to bite him with Kalil and potentially Floyd, so that would be two years in a row.
The Vikings do not have to make a decision about this for awhile except for the 5th year option. There hasn't been any discussion of extension for Bradford yet according to Bradford in an interview yesterday. I think Xavier Rhodes is their highest extension priority right now, they have to make a decision about Barr if they will pick up his 5 year option, extend him or not.
I think it is feasible for the Vikings to pay both Bradford and Teddy. Even if they used the 5th year option and extended Bradford. It would just require some sacrifices in their budget for other positions and not an ideal allocation of resources. As Hank points out, Teddy can likely be signed to a new contract for less of a cap hit than the 5th year option would cost.
If Shariff Floyd ins't healthy enough to play this year, the Vikings are still on the hook for his salary under the rules of the 5th year option they used on him last year. The Vikings had a lot of cap space last season ($20-30 million) tied to injured players. It isn't a situation they wanted to repeat with another player. For how much RIck Spielman has talked up the benefit of the 5th year option, it has come back to bite him with Kalil and potentially Floyd, so that would be two years in a row.
The Vikings do not have to make a decision about this for awhile except for the 5th year option. There hasn't been any discussion of extension for Bradford yet according to Bradford in an interview yesterday. I think Xavier Rhodes is their highest extension priority right now, they have to make a decision about Barr if they will pick up his 5 year option, extend him or not.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I suppose it depends on when he is able to get back on the field. He's not going to sign a cheapo deal, and no NFL team is going to put a large chunk of money up without him passing a physical.Borden said:
I saw no reference to releasing him, just him hitting the open market in 2018.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Even More Teddy Bridgewater Option Clarification
So the Vikings may have Teddy under contract for 2018 without having to use the 5 year option.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Saw this the other day. Mostly sucks for TBW, because his contract is only $1.3M. If he's capable of playing in 2018 he likely would have gotten a lot more than this even on a "show me" deal. If he's not perhaps this is a blessing because maybe MIN holds out and pays it either as a goodwill move or just as a "why not, let's see" move on a cheap flier for a 3rd QB.Biabreakable said:
I wonder if the Vikings also get another crack at the 5th year option since the 4th year tolls. Bradford's contract is only through 2017. Say TBW's on PUP until week 8, the contract tolls, and TBW plays late in the year and looks good. Might they want to take advantage of a $12M option on TBW rather than pay Bradford a dumptruck full of cash?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
From what I heard on the daily norseman podcast is that yes they can still execute the 5th year option in 2018. Effectively making it a 6 year deal for Bridgewater if they do, but it still being called the 5th year option officially.
As far as Bradford goes, they are already paying him a lot in terms of cap space, so giving him a new deal should't change the cap that much, since that number is already high right now at $18 million, so a new contract at $20 million per year or whatever the market bears isn't going to change their overall cap situation that much.
With the cap going up every year I think it is possible (although not ideal) to extend Bradford and pick up the 5th year option on Bridgewater if they want to. This would be something like $30 million between then I think? Maybe a bit more or less I forget now. We discussed this in the Vikings thread earlier on in regards to picking up the option for Bridgewater this year, and the Vikings could make this work, although of course it would be better to free up some of that budget for other positions.
This would give the Vikings control of both players contracts however while they work out a trade with another team for one of them.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater to play in 2017 preseason?
Bob seems to think so. Color me surprised if he actually does.
Bob seems to think so. Color me surprised if he actually does.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
@Biabreakable (or any other Viking fan)
do you think this poses for a QB controversy? Which better helps the expectations of Diggs, Cook, or Rudolf?
This is a big surprise for me... he put in a LOT(!) of work to get to this point and to look like that. Can't imagine how it felt getting to this point. Great for him. He had such a promising career and such a serious injury. Would be quite the story if he can retake the reins. Would be a huge upgrade for the Vikings long and short term prospects IMO.
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