joey
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yes sir.
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Kiddnets
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Lance has the pedigree, the draft capital and had 2 full seasons to learn the system. If he cant come into the offseason and dominate to show he is better than a lousy Sam Darnold and the last pick in the draft who is coming off a UCL injury then he isnt worth anything anyway - he needs to come right in and take control.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well, that sounds good.
zamboni
Footballguy
Without a doubt. Unfortunately despite that pedigree and draft capital, he seems to have organizational inertia working against him in that team brass is very high on Purdy (and for good reason given what he did). Lance needs to really go off from the get go and limit turnovers - big time pressure on the kid.
And he hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in his limited action...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Translation from Niners-speak: “someone please call.”
I don't think they need to put that out, I have no doubt teams are calling about him. Titans and Texans being at the front of that list.
For his sake I sure hope he gets traded. The guy needs to play, can't afford to sit with as little football as he has played in the last 6 years.
I know SF has been putting out the message lately of the value of having depth at QB and having a QB room full of in-expensive QB's. Way I see it if that's the goal the easiest way to do that is deal Lance and draft another QB whose rookie deal will be less and who will have 2 more years on the rookie deal.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Now is the time to deal Lance - it gives a new team a year to play/grade him before a decision has to be made on the 5th yr. With only 2 rookie contract years left waiting 1 more year to deal him would severely hit his value - along with being beaten out by Purdy and Darnold.
Question is whats he worth - Rosen and Darnold were traded around the same time and fetched a 2d. Lance is more upside than any tape but I think he could fetch a 2d from the Texans which is pretty high. Houston could draft 2 franchise blocks than let Lance/Mills compete - if it flops they should have a solid core to add a qb next year. I think it fits.
Yea it's a loss for the 49ers but I can certainly see 2 2nds or something like that....if someone is really desperate maybe a late round first
49ers are on the cusp - they are on the cusp even with Darnold at QB quite frankly. They need some help in other areas so having two potentially great assets at QB doesn't help a ton.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Or to the Texans with Ryans.
Unless Ryans has seen enough to know he doesn’t want him.
zamboni
Footballguy
Good call, although Ryans may not have had much involvement with Lance being on the defensive side of things in SF. Carthon probably has more connection to Lance as director of pro personnel and perhaps had some input into drafting him. But who knows...
Wingnut
Footballguy
I don't see them trading him unless an offer is too good to pass up, especially since we don't know when Purdy will be ready. They ran out of QBs last season, and they have 3 right now that are starting caliber, so why risk it?
I just don't see them trading Lance before they really know what they have in him.
I just don't see them trading Lance before they really know what they have in him.
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I think he's going to get traded and have been saying that for months.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I don't know how good an offer would be for a guy who has shown absolutely nothing so far and has been injured each of the last 2 seasons, but I guess we will see.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Prayer circle for a trade. Neither (Hou vs Ten) offense projects to be amazing in the near future but it's better than riding the pine for another couple of years. If that's really how they view him v Purdy. Can't blame them exactly. Purdy did such a nice job of facilitating in that offense. I recall seeing Lance not being able to read/react and make the quick adjustments like Purdy seems to have. And the short throws weren't as crisp.
The "he needs game reps" narrative is no less true than it was 2 years ago but dayum this ride sucks. The overall arm and leg talent hasn't really gone anywhere. And by all accounts seems like a smart, hard working kid. Hope that work with Mahomes is paying dividends. Coming up on his 23rd birthday in a few weeks. Hopefully there's something to celebrate other than rooting for Purdy's elbow to explode again. That's not a great way to live.
The "he needs game reps" narrative is no less true than it was 2 years ago but dayum this ride sucks. The overall arm and leg talent hasn't really gone anywhere. And by all accounts seems like a smart, hard working kid. Hope that work with Mahomes is paying dividends. Coming up on his 23rd birthday in a few weeks. Hopefully there's something to celebrate other than rooting for Purdy's elbow to explode again. That's not a great way to live.
He's not had a chance to show anything and the counter to what you are saying is he's not looked bad in any game except the monsoon. And that first injury only cost him a game.
I just don't know how he can grow when if he's not starting. I've said this a few times in this thread but this guy has only attempted 519 passes in his entire high school, college and NFL career and that goes back 6 years. I'm not sure it's not already to late and his skills have atrophied but I don't think another year of riding the pine is going to help.
I'd think a conditional trade makes a lot of sense.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Trey Lance trade scenarios: Why would 49ers move on with Purdy health uncertain?
The 49ers are reportedly receiving trade inquiries about Trey Lance, so what scenarios would make a seemingly long-shot deal occur?
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Lance trade scenarios: Why would 49ers move on with Purdy health uncertain?
Trading away Trey Lance seems like a preposterous idea.
The 49ers just opened their offseason program Monday, with Lance, Purdy and newcomer Sam Darnold in their quarterback stable. Purdy is only 5 1/2 weeks removed from elbow surgery that will keep him sidelined into the summer.
If Lance leaves, it’s Darnold or bust, at least the next few months while Purdy recovers? That is illogical, unless a more heralded veteran comes in return.
Of course the 49ers won’t get an even return on their 2021 investment, what with Lance still a mystery (four career starts) but also with an injury history that most recently lists him coming off an ankle fracture.
“We have three quarterbacks who are good with us right now,” Shanahan added on March 28, “and we’re pretty set with how we’ve built our roster salary cap-wise.”
The 49ers have $2.7 million in salary cap space, and still must sign their draft class; they have 11 picks, starting with three late in the third round next Friday.
It’s too early in Purdy’s recovery to know for sure he responds from his March 10 elbow repair, or when he’ll be fully cleared. But the expectation is that he could be fully cleared by September, perhaps early October.
Unloading Lance now means the 49ers are convinced that Purdy will make a successful comeback, and that he will recapture the magic of his late-season heroics (eight wins in replace of Jimmy Garoppolo before the NFC Championship Game injury).
It also would mean Darnold made a sensational first impression these first days of the offseason program, that he could steer the 49ers offense while Purdy recovers, after five troubling years with the talent-deprived Jets and Panthers,
Lance has not played enough games to fall totally out of favor with the 49ers, nor has he shown enough to warrant undying loyalty.
The 49ers have required three starting quarterbacks in 5-of-6 seasons under Shanahan, the lone exception being Garoppolo’s 2019 comeback that reached Super Bowl LIV.
Just being thought of on the trade market should remind Lance of the urgency to prove himself. He surely has seen enough of NFL business over the past two years to know any transaction is possible.
modogg
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ehh, i think with all of this smoke it will be hard for 49ers to get out of this looking ok. I think if they can get a deal for Trey it will have to be based on conditions. 49ers have not done themselves any favors kind of dismissing and trashing Trey a bit with how they seem to perceive him. 3rd round that can go up to a 2nd or so? Trey has what 2 years left on his current deal?
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zamboni
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I think they look just fine and probably don't care either way given that with or without Lance, they are bona fide Super Bowl contenders. They hit it big with Purdy and assuming they think he can get back to health, now may have the luxury to deal Lance if they feel the price is worth it.
Wingnut
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ehh, i think with all of this smoke it will be hard for 49ers to get out of this looking ok. I think if they can get a deal for Trey it will have to be based on conditions. 49ers have not done themselves any favors kind of dismissing and trashing Trey a bit with how they seem to perceive him. 3rd round that can go up to a 2nd or so? Trey has what 2 years left on his current deal?
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First, Grant Cohn is the worst of the worst of 49er reporters/beat writers. He's straight garbage.
Second, when has SF ever dismissed or trashed Lance?
modogg
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just what i have heard from SF reporters/bloggers. so maybe i am wrong. Reason i was watching that youtube video is it just happened to pop up nd i clicked while working. I do like listening to Stats, he seems to present pretty wellehh, i think with all of this smoke it will be hard for 49ers to get out of this looking ok. I think if they can get a deal for Trey it will have to be based on conditions. 49ers have not done themselves any favors kind of dismissing and trashing Trey a bit with how they seem to perceive him. 3rd round that can go up to a 2nd or so? Trey has what 2 years left on his current deal?
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First, Grant Cohn is the worst of the worst of 49er reporters/beat writers. He's straight garbage.
Second, when has SF ever dismissed or trashed Lance?
could just be usual off-season gossiping, but it does seem like it could be a tenuous situation
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Not sure if I just notice it because I've had way too many ff players on San Fran over the years but y'alls' sports writers/ radio people plus the coaching staff is like the top "most annoying market" to have ff assets in. I'm used to Boston where everyone knows who the cranks are and just avoids them. and the coaching staffs/ player usage are their own cup of delight. But sheesh. I need to just avoid them in ff.
Amused to Death
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Purdy has started all of 8 NFL games. Now over the offseason teams have film on him. It might be a bit early to say they hit it big.
If SF sells low on Lance and Purdy suddenly reverts back to the last player drafted and Sam Darnald shows why he's now on his 3rd team in 4 years, they may wish they still had Lance.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I agree, but I’m also skeptical that he ever realizes his potential, if that potential is even real.
Feels like he was a mistake by Shanny/Lynch, and a costly one.
If they get a 2nd or a 2nd and a 3rd for him, it’s a disaster organizationally.
After a full year, prior to his injury, Shanny didn’t trust him to throw the ball, and what I’d heard locally is that the team didn’t like what they saw at practice, and he never should have started over JimmyG.
That’s the talk that spooked me into being more than comfortable dealing him in the TLaw package.
It’ll be interesting to see what the trade market is for Lance. I’m pretty concerned about his future value, and believe the bottom could fall out - feels like he’s still too highly rated by the FF community.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In fact it’s the opposite. He costs double off the roster than on.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is this guy still in the NFL vying for a starting QB spot?
On a playoff team?
I wasn't sure
On a playoff team?
I wasn't sure
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Well his competition is a 2nd year QB with 8 NFL starts and coming off elbow surgery and a journeyman QB on his 3rd team in 4 years after 2 QB needy teams moved on from.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Local reporting has Purdy on track to be ready for camp. Didn’t need TJ, and team expressed confidence in him as their QB1.
Lance’s window of opportunity in SF is rapidly closing IMO.
Wingnut
Footballguy
It would be looked at as a bad pick, but if Purdy end up being a good QB and wins a SB, it wont matter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, I’ve said similar, but these are mutually exclusive things.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
That's great news for Purdy, but the Niners have to hope he doesn't turn back into a pumpkin and stays healthy all year. Aren't you a bit nervous putting your SB hopes on the reconstructed elbow of a QB with little more than 7 games in the NFL?
Then there's Darnald. TL may be the most talented QB on the roster.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m definitely nervous about it.
And if they deal Lance they’d need a 3rd QB. Maybe they use one of the supplemental picks on one.
joey
Footballguy
why spend anything more than the final pick in the draft and pick the next Mr Irrelevant future SB winning QB?
zamboni
Footballguy
Also have to consider Bobby Slowik as the current OC in Texas and had been passing game coordinator for the Niners.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, he's seen plenty of Lance for sure.
IF (a big if) the Texans are interested, could see them sending Davis Mills to SF in any trade. They signed Case Keenum back and he can fill the backup role behind Lance if needed.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a sharp observation. Mills would possibly be a better candidate to start if Purdy misses time than Darnold, too.
But again - two of the HOU coaching staff are intimately familiar with Lance. If they’re not interested, that’s telling.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Could see this happening. It seems the Texans are not going to draft a QB at 2 or really want to trade out or take a defensive player. This would be a nice match. SF could probably get their 2nd pick back + Mills for Lance. Maybe?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If this happens, imma send someone over to @Dr. Octopus house for a wellness check.
Just guessing that after the Wilson fiasco, and the tease of getting ARod, a Trey Lance end result would make Jets fans apoplectic.
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If they’d be willing to trade him for a conditional first, I’d be on board. The problem for the titans with a conditional first is if it’s based on games started, the 49ers would be much better off trading him to the Texans. There’s little chance imo of Lance starting over a healthy tannehill except if the season is practically over. Of course that’s a problem in the first place as Lance’s contract has limited time left to see what he actually can do. Unless tannehill got traded too
ehh, i think with all of this smoke it will be hard for 49ers to get out of this looking ok. I think if they can get a deal for Trey it will have to be based on conditions. 49ers have not done themselves any favors kind of dismissing and trashing Trey a bit with how they seem to perceive him. 3rd round that can go up to a 2nd or so? Trey has what 2 years left on his current deal?
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I really don’t think the 49ers care what they look like with Lance. The franchise is among the best run in the league. Smart franchises move off mistakes when they can.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
that article is based off of two WFAN hosts speculating on air that because the Niners are looking to deal Lance it means they’re getting Rodgers.
That article doesn’t really concern me.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Unpopular opinion - the jets would be better off acquiring Lance than Rodgers. Assuming it doesn’t cost them next year’s first.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I believe— and I doubt I’m alone—the sf situation plus injuries are what pooched Lances current situation. I’ll probably die on this hill but I’m still a believer in the talent. Any team without a top 10 qb would be lucky to get him.
Boston
Footballguy
The issue is the Jets are in a position where they need more of a known commodity at QB...they have a very good roster with one gigantic hole...after the Wilson debacle if they did this and Lance busts that will be the end of the Saleh/Douglas era and you will have wasted another prime year of some of your young core...I just don't think the franchise is in a position to take this gamble.
