QB Trey Lance, LAC (3 Viewers)

[Terpman22]

From what I read about yesterday, seems Lance is back in the good graces of the coaching staff.

Was he ever out of them?

I think the problem is he's simply much less NFL ready than they believed when they drafted him not that he lacked effort or is a problem child.

9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position.

I am of the belief that Shanahan has the hubris/confidence that he can get "any QB to run his scheme" and they felt that they got as far as they could w Jimmy G and needed an upgrade on physical talent. I think they felt that "while Lance figured things out" with on the job training, the winning would just keep happening.

 

[dipandglide]

From what I read about yesterday, seems Lance is back in the good graces of the coaching staff.

Was he ever out of them?

I think the problem is he's simply much less NFL ready than they believed when they drafted him not that he lacked effort or is a problem child.

9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one knew Lance was going to miss his second season.

So many people in this thread casually toss his injury aside and take their cheap shots. I guess that's par for the course in our "what have you done for me lately" world.

 

[Chaka]

From what I read about yesterday, seems Lance is back in the good graces of the coaching staff.

Was he ever out of them?

I think the problem is he's simply much less NFL ready than they believed when they drafted him not that he lacked effort or is a problem child.

9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one knew Lance was going to miss his second season.

So many people in this thread casually toss his injury aside and take their cheap shots. I guess that's par for the course in our "what have you done for me lately" world.

Where was the cheap shot?

I don't think anyone is necessarily discounting his injury but the simple fact is it has contributed to his lack of experience. And while he was injured someone came in and played at an impressive level so it's fair to suggest Lance's window in SF is closing. That is if it hasn't closed entirely already.

What we are facing ATM is another year where Lance will not get a chance to increase his reps and gain experience. It will likely take two injuries to change that prospect because San Francisco is built to win now. They really cannot afford to give Lance on the job training. That means he will have thrown a grand total of 420 passes since 2018.

In light of that can you honestly say that Lance's prospects as an NFL QB look good?

 

[dipandglide]

From what I read about yesterday, seems Lance is back in the good graces of the coaching staff.

Was he ever out of them?

I think the problem is he's simply much less NFL ready than they believed when they drafted him not that he lacked effort or is a problem child.

9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one knew Lance was going to miss his second season.

So many people in this thread casually toss his injury aside and take their cheap shots. I guess that's par for the course in our "what have you done for me lately" world.

Where was the cheap shot?

I don't think anyone is necessarily discounting his injury but the simple fact is it has contributed to his lack of experience. And while he was injured someone came in and played at an impressive level so it's fair to suggest Lance's window in SF is closing. That is if it hasn't closed entirely already.

What we are facing ATM is another year where Lance will not get a chance to increase his reps and gain experience. It will likely take two injuries to change that prospect because San Francisco is built to win now. They really cannot afford to give Lance on the job training. That means he will have thrown a grand total of 420 passes since 2018.

In light of that can you honestly say that Lance's prospects as an NFL QB look good?

"9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position."

This was what I was quoting. I'm a quote noob.

"In light of that can you honestly say that Lance's prospects as an NFL QB look good?"

I'd say they're neutral at best. It's an opportunity league. He had a quick path to opportunity. Brock took that away. Lance will have to get an opportunity whether that's with the 49ers or elsewhere. I wouldn't count him out and am a buyer in my dynasty leagues given the current sentiment. I'll move a 2nd all day with the hopes he gets a chance somewhere and can run with the opportunity.

 

[Chaka]

From what I read about yesterday, seems Lance is back in the good graces of the coaching staff.

Was he ever out of them?

I think the problem is he's simply much less NFL ready than they believed when they drafted him not that he lacked effort or is a problem child.

9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one knew Lance was going to miss his second season.

So many people in this thread casually toss his injury aside and take their cheap shots. I guess that's par for the course in our "what have you done for me lately" world.

Where was the cheap shot?

I don't think anyone is necessarily discounting his injury but the simple fact is it has contributed to his lack of experience. And while he was injured someone came in and played at an impressive level so it's fair to suggest Lance's window in SF is closing. That is if it hasn't closed entirely already.

What we are facing ATM is another year where Lance will not get a chance to increase his reps and gain experience. It will likely take two injuries to change that prospect because San Francisco is built to win now. They really cannot afford to give Lance on the job training. That means he will have thrown a grand total of 420 passes since 2018.

In light of that can you honestly say that Lance's prospects as an NFL QB look good?

"9ers drafting Lance never made any sense. They are in the middle of their championship window and they bring in a project QB with very little experience playing the position."

This was what I was quoting. I'm a quote noob.

"In light of that can you honestly say that Lance's prospects as an NFL QB look good?"

I'd say they're neutral at best. It's an opportunity league. He had a quick path to opportunity. Brock took that away. Lance will have to get an opportunity whether that's with the 49ers or elsewhere. I wouldn't count him out and am a buyer in my dynasty leagues given the current sentiment. I'll move a 2nd all day with the hopes he gets a chance somewhere and can run with the opportunity.

The nature of threads is one reads the words of others in their own voice.

I see zero to indicate those comments, one was mine btw, are anything other than honest.

 

[Wingnut]

Could Trey Lance be traded after a strong preseason?

Could 49ers QB Trey Lance be traded after a strong preseason?

The San Francisco 49ers quarterback situation has been one to monitor all offseason, as projected starter Brock Purdy has worked his way back from a torn UCL,...

www.49erswebzone.com

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Could Trey Lance be traded after a strong preseason?

Could 49ers QB Trey Lance be traded after a strong preseason?

The San Francisco 49ers quarterback situation has been one to monitor all offseason, as projected starter Brock Purdy has worked his way back from a torn UCL,...

www.49erswebzone.com

He could. Easily.

Just not for what the 49ers want.

And “strong preseason” is in the eye of the beholder. On paper they both had up & down days earlier this week. Each threw a pick.

But where Purdy’s pick came on a tipped ball at the line, Lance’s pick came on a terrible no good very bad throw into coverage he didn’t see.

And reportedly Lance should have had a 2nd pick but the DB dropped it (insert “if he had good hands he’d be a WR” cliche)

Lance hasn’t had a strong camp by most reporting, and I’ve followed it very closely. He’s had a better camp than he did last year, but by most accounts he’s well behind Purdy, and Darnold for that matter. And if they weren’t trying to drum up interest, he might even be their QB4.

 

[thecatch]

Nick Wagoner was on Candlestick Chronicles the other day and said Lance has looked better than Darnold. Darnold has apparently been playing it excessively safe.

 

[Wingnut]

And “strong preseason” is in the eye of the beholder. On paper they both had up & down days earlier this week. Each threw a pick.

I think you misunderstood....the article is saying if he has a strong preseason, not training camp.

He's gonna get a lot of work in the 3 preseason games, so he could conceivably raise his own stock if he looks good.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think you misunderstood....the article is saying if he has a strong preseason, not training camp.

He's gonna get a lot of work in the 3 preseason games, so he could conceivably raise his own stock if he looks good.

Ah - yes, that makes more sense.

I sure hope he does. They need to move him.

That said, it’s gonna be rough balancing reps for the 3 QBs. Purdy needs the work. Darnold needs the work. There’s risk that if they start Lance he goes out and stinks, tanking what little trade value he has.

Gonna be interesting

 

[rockaction]

Three first round picks? For this guy? The NFL really can't scout QBs, can they? You just never know until you see them in the NFL. It's almost a total crap shoot the way it is now. Zach Wilson and Lance. Oof.

And SF is still one of the teams to beat in the NFL. They'll feel it down the line, though. That's an awfully tough haul to give up. But still Super Bowl contenders.

 

[Wingnut]

That said, it’s gonna be rough balancing reps for the 3 QBs. Purdy needs the work. Darnold needs the work. There’s risk that if they start Lance he goes out and stinks, tanking what little trade value he has.

I think Purdy will play in the final 2 preseason games, prob a full half in one and just a series or two in the other. Just a guess.

That would leave about 9 quarters to divide between Lance and Darnold, and maybe Allen if they want to give him a few reps. It is indeed gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Wingnut]

Here's Lance's chance to ball out.

Kyle Shanahan on @KNBR says the #49ers plan to have Trey Lance play most of the first half vs. Raiders on Sunday. Sam Darnold most of the second half.

https://twitter.com/49erswebzone/status/1690150576653574144?t=TDknM-yRDUvPi6teLiXp1Q&s=19

 

[Ilov80s]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

 

[massraider]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

Not his fault. Raiders backups are all future Hall of Famers.

 

[Wingnut]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

49ers have zero first string O Lineman playing, and no real threats to throw to in Conley, Bell, Dwelley, Mason.

 

[Ilov80s]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

49ers have zero first string O Lineman playing, and no real threats to throw to in Conley, Bell, Dwelley, Mason.

Are they against the Raiders first team D?

 

[King of the Jungle]

I feel bad for the kid at this point. I don‘t remember, was he considered a top ten choice at the time or did the Niners just fall head over heels to reach for him?

 

[Wingnut]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

49ers have zero first string O Lineman playing, and no real threats to throw to in Conley, Bell, Dwelley, Mason.

Are they against the Raiders first team D?

No, but the 49ers OL depth is pretty much nonexistent. If any starters get hurt, they're in trouble.

 

[Wingnut]

I feel bad for the kid at this point. I don‘t remember, was he considered a top ten choice at the time or did the Niners just fall head over heels to reach for him?

Reached big time.

Lucky for them they hit on Mr Irrelevant which softens the blow.

 

[Chaka]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

Not his fault. Raiders backups are all future Hall of Famers.

Future? Weren't they all inducted last week?

 

[Ilov80s]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

49ers have zero first string O Lineman playing, and no real threats to throw to in Conley, Bell, Dwelley, Mason.

Are they against the Raiders first team D?

No, but the 49ers OL depth is pretty much nonexistent. If any starters get hurt, they're in trouble.

Fair but I’m just out of excuses for the kid. I haven’t seen a single thing ever that tells me this is a quality nfl QB.

 

[Lehigh98]

Just like they drew it up, kid's like Mahomes out there.

 

[Ilov80s]

Just like they drew it up, kid's like Mahomes out there.

Funny his passing TD is basically a dropped and batted interception.

 

[Chaka]

Kid can’t play. I’m sorry, but he looks lost out there. He’s getting sacked left and right.

49ers have zero first string O Lineman playing, and no real threats to throw to in Conley, Bell, Dwelley, Mason.

Are they against the Raiders first team D?

No, but the 49ers OL depth is pretty much nonexistent. If any starters get hurt, they're in trouble.

Fair but I’m just out of excuses for the kid. I haven’t seen a single thing ever that tells me this is a quality nfl QB.

Gotta agree. As a Raider fan, I have a reasonable idea what that o-line is up against and no one should be impressed.

Raiders haven't had a top 50% pass rush since 2015. They have spent most of that time in the bottom 5, including last year (30th).

 

[Wingnut]

I'd love to wait til there's a big enough sample size to make an informed decision on Lance but we may never get it. He's played less than 6 total games and never started more than 2 games in a row.

We still have zero idea if he is starting QB material.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'd love to wait til there's a big enough sample size to make an informed decision on Lance but we may never get it. He's played less than 6 total games and never started more than 2 games in a row.

We still have zero idea if he is starting QB material.

I have a feeling they will still be saying that about a 32 year old Trey Lance.

 

[Chaka]

I'd love to wait til there's a big enough sample size to make an informed decision on Lance but we may never get it. He's played less than 6 total games and never started more than 2 games in a row.

We still have zero idea if he is starting QB material.

I have a feeling they will still be saying that about a 32 year old Trey Lance.

Considering how little he has played over the last five years I think we need to consider the possibility that we actually have every idea if he is starting QB material.

 

[Chaka]

We can't say for sure but it seems like, if he ever becomes a relevant NFL starting QB, Lance's career trajectory will look more like Geno Smith's or Rich Gannon's.

 

[JohnnyU]

I’m seeing sacks because he can’t read a defense.

 

[JohnnyU]

Waiver wire material

 

[rockaction]

Woof. Some guy in our leeg drafted him in the first. He also drafted Kyler Murray and Anthony Richardson in the first. From one leaguemate to another, thank you for wasting your picks.

The shell of Trey Lance is cooked, it seems. I only got to catch a few minutes of the game, but it was not impressive.

eta* Richardson wasn't a bad pick, it's just that spending three first rounders on QBs in a 1 QB league isn't exactly optimal.

 

[Wingnut]

Mahomes behind that O line would look cooked, just sayin.

 

[Lansdowne]

I could’ve went with Fields two years ago but I trusted the talent, the system, and the draft capital that the organization sunk into getting Lance that he would get the full support of the team. Serves me right for trusting a Shanahan, been through this headache before with the Broncos RBs in the early 2000’s. Now it’s the 49ers QBs.

 

[Faust]

49ers QB Trey Lance has rough start in preseason opener vs. Raiders

49ers Twitter reacts to Trey Lance's performance in the preseason vs. Raiders

What Kyle Shanahan said about Trey Lance near INT that turned into TD

 

[TripItUp]

Mahomes behind that O line would look cooked, just sayin.

Agreed, that was a terrible O line performance.

Most QBs aren't going to be great with that kind of pressure, let alone a younger, inexperienced QB.

 

[JohnnyU]

Mahomes behind that O line would look cooked, just sayin.

Agreed, that was a terrible O line performance.

Most QBs aren't going to be great with that kind of pressure, let alone a younger, inexperienced QB.

I saw several plays where he had plenty of time and couldn’t find a receiver and instead took a sack. I’m not going to believe the pass defense was that good and I’m tired of making excuses for Lance.

 

[TripItUp]

I saw several plays where he had plenty of time and couldn’t find a receiver and instead took a sack. I’m not going to believe the pass defense was that good and I’m tired of making excuses for Lance.

IF the receivers aren't open and if the O Line is porous, not a lot he can do.

 

[JohnnyU]

I saw several plays where he had plenty of time and couldn’t find a receiver and instead took a sack. I’m not going to believe the pass defense was that good and I’m tired of making excuses for Lance.

IF the receivers aren't open and if the O Line is porous, not a lot he can do.

Like I said, several plays where he took a sack and had plenty of time to throw. I doubt his ability to read a defense.

 

[Chaka]

I saw several plays where he had plenty of time and couldn’t find a receiver and instead took a sack. I’m not going to believe the pass defense was that good and I’m tired of making excuses for Lance.

IF the receivers aren't open and if the O Line is porous, not a lot he can do.

Sorry but I'm not buying this for Lance. This is his third full preseason, let's not pretend he hasn't gotten any practice time. The injury sucks, for sure but if he was the QB the Niners thought he could be, wouldn't we have seen even a glimpse of it by now? Regardless of bad protection.

 

[JohnnyU]

I saw several plays where he had plenty of time and couldn’t find a receiver and instead took a sack. I’m not going to believe the pass defense was that good and I’m tired of making excuses for Lance.

IF the receivers aren't open and if the O Line is porous, not a lot he can do.

Sorry but I'm not buying this for Lance. This is his third full preseason, let's not pretend he hasn't gotten any practice time. The injury sucks, for sure but if he was the QB the Niners thought he could be, wouldn't we have seen even a glimpse of it by now? Regardless of bad protection.

I’m tired of making excuses for him. He’s been in that system long enough to not look that lost.

 

[TripItUp]

Like I said, several plays where he took a sack and had plenty of time to throw. I doubt his ability to read a defense.

All of that is fair, just saying it's not like he was behind the Philly line. It matters.

 

[Lansdowne]

It’s frustrating, because all the physical tools that made Trey Lance such an intriguing NFL prospect are still there. But he hasn’t put enough on film to show that he’s ready. I’m still holding because his rushing upside is fantasy gold, but I’ve already lost two seasons waiting for him to start and have already had to pivot to another QB option for now. Aaron Rodgers sat for three years and still went on to have a HOF career but the difference is Rodgers played a full college season (against more NFL level talent) when he was drafted whereas Lance wasn’t. Lance needs a lot more development and the problem is he’s on a team that is in win-now mode rather than one that can afford to let him get his growing pains in the regular season. He was a questionable fit from the start and it’s evident that he’s no longer truly in their plans. I’m expecting another lost season from him, but I’m holding on for dear life because I can’t afford to get it wrong if he happens to get an opportunity to start again. It’s a classic sunk cost fallacy, both for the 49ers and for dynasty owners.

 

[Chaka]

Like I said, several plays where he took a sack and had plenty of time to throw. I doubt his ability to read a defense.

All of that is fair, just saying it's not like he was behind the Philly line. It matters.

It's not like he was facing Nick Bosa and the Niners pass rush either. That also matters.

 

[LawFitz]

I’m still holding because his rushing upside is fantasy gold

Is he still willing to use his legs after the injuries? It was preseason, so today may not be a good indication, but he seemed hesitant in all aspects - seemed afraid to throw and run. Maybe just a bad day against some fiesty Raiders backups, but it was an ugly data point at least.

 

[LawFitz]

Like I said, several plays where he took a sack and had plenty of time to throw. I doubt his ability to read a defense.

All of that is fair, just saying it's not like he was behind the Philly line. It matters.

It's not like he was facing Nick Bosa and the Niners pass rush either. That also matters.

Or even the Raiders first-team DL. Maxx Crosby was on the sideline the entire time.

 

[Lansdowne]

I’m still holding because his rushing upside is fantasy gold

Is he still willing to use his legs after the injuries? It was preseason, so today may not be a good indication, but he seemed hesitant in all aspects - seemed afraid to throw and run. Maybe just a bad day against some fiesty Raiders backups, but it was an ugly data point at least.

Not a good start but I wouldn’t put too much stock in today’s game as far as the rushing goes. He was under duress pretty much the whole time, and it didn’t seem like there were any designed runs for him.

 

[Faust]

David Lombardi
QB2 is a job that’s more about a high floor than a high ceiling. And right now it’s clear that Sam Darnold had a higher floor than Trey Lance, especially within the context of what Kyle Shanahan runs. Lance is going to have to show much more steadiness next week than he did today

https://twitter.com/lombardihimself/status/1690856291848314880?s=21

 

[Faust]

49ers QB Lance candidly admits he must throw football faster

 

[LawFitz]

I wouldn’t put too much stock in today’s game as far as the rushing goes. He was under duress pretty much the whole time

I would. Dual threat QBs escape pressure and run. Lance did almost none of that today.