QB Tua Tagovailoa, MIA (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

With those WRs, Miami needs a QB with a strong arm who can hit those guys in stride. Imagine what the yardage of Hill and Waddle would be this year if they didn't have to stop and wait for every other deep ball. Even on that deep one Tyreek caught yesterday, he should have scored easily, but he had to stop and wait for it and got tackled at the 1, and even on that play, Tua was able to move to his left to get an almost running start and was put everything he had into the throw and STILL underthrew it a bit. Not saying you need a QB with just a strong arm, but it feels like the Dolphins offense with those receivers will never reach its ceiling with a guy like Tua back there at QB.

Got no skin in this game-- but in my league, Hill is #2 WR in points; Waddle #7.

Okay, but I was talking more in the real football sense, not fantasy. Hill and Waddle are getting theirs this year no matter who the QB is (look at how both lit it up vs Minnesota, a game Tua missed), but the Dolphins aren't winning more games despite their gaudy numbers. The last Miami regime didn't want Tua as their QB, which is why they tried to get DeSean Watson and them tampered with Tom Brady, and we are starting to see why. He is not a bad QB at all; he is a solid QB, just not a difference maker.

 

[ghostguy123]

Concussion protocol?

 

[Faust]

Concussion protocol?

Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel said Tua Tagovailoa is in concussion protocol.​

To make matters worse for everyone involved, McDaniel said he wasn't sure when Tagovailoa suffered the concussion, saying, "nobody recognized anything with regard to" a hit that would have led to his quarterback being concussed. Tagovailoa's concussion history has been well-documented throughout the 2022 season after the team made the questionable decision to run him back out in Week 3 against the Bills after suffering a blow to the head, only to see him exit on a Thursday night game against the Bengals in Week 4 and remain sidelined for the following two weeks. Tagovailoa will now need to clear concussion protocol in time for the team's Week 17 matchup against the Patriots in what's arguably their biggest game of the season to date. If he's unable to go, quarterback Teddy Bridgewater would likely draw the start .
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[SoBeDad]

Picket has had 2 concussions this season. And like Tua, the symptoms showed up late on his latest concussion.

>>Dec 22, 2022

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  Brooke PryorESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- Kenny Pickett felt fine at first. After absorbing a big hit from Ravens linebacker Roquan Smith and hitting his head on the turf, the Steelers' rookie quarterback exited the Week 14 game and went into the blue injury tent on the sideline to be evaluated for a concussion.

He was cleared and reentered the game on the Steelers' next drive. But over the course of the quick three-play series, Pickett noticed changes in his vision setting in. That's when he knew something was wrong and self-reported his symptoms when he came off the field.

"I thought I was good to go, felt good," Pickett said Thursday. "And I got back out there and started running, and they started coming into play more. I'm moving and things are going fast. That's when symptoms started to come up, and I had to go inside.

.. I came off the field, was not feeling good, so that's why I went in."

Pickett was limited in practice during the week that followed, and though he felt better by the end of the week, he decided it was safest to hold off on returning to action until after the Week 15 game against the Carolina Panthers.

"I went through with the doctors and listened to what they said," Pickett said. "And definitely the right call was not to play last week. I could have kind of pushed it. But I think the right choice was to sit out one week and be full go this week."

Pickett was officially cleared from concussion protocol earlier this week, and he will start against the Las Vegas Raiders, coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday. After the concussion -- his second in eight weeks -- Pickett switched to a different helmet on the recommendation of team medical staff.

Now, he's wearing a helmet equipped with a special design and padding on the back to cushion Pickett's head in the event of another violent hit against the ground. Tight end Pat Freiermuth wears a similarly sized helmet after also suffering multiple concussions over his first two NFL seasons.<<

 

[Steve Tasker]

Watching MNF Countdown, Steve Young is basically screaming at the TV, on the verge of tears, about how the league and the doctors are failing Tua right now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Picket has had 2 concussions this season. And like Tua, the symptoms showed up late on his latest concussion.

>>Dec 22, 2022

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  Brooke PryorESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- Kenny Pickett felt fine at first. After absorbing a big hit from Ravens linebacker Roquan Smith and hitting his head on the turf, the Steelers' rookie quarterback exited the Week 14 game and went into the blue injury tent on the sideline to be evaluated for a concussion.

He was cleared and reentered the game on the Steelers' next drive. But over the course of the quick three-play series, Pickett noticed changes in his vision setting in. That's when he knew something was wrong and self-reported his symptoms when he came off the field.

"I thought I was good to go, felt good," Pickett said Thursday. "And I got back out there and started running, and they started coming into play more. I'm moving and things are going fast. That's when symptoms started to come up, and I had to go inside.

.. I came off the field, was not feeling good, so that's why I went in."

Pickett was limited in practice during the week that followed, and though he felt better by the end of the week, he decided it was safest to hold off on returning to action until after the Week 15 game against the Carolina Panthers.

"I went through with the doctors and listened to what they said," Pickett said. "And definitely the right call was not to play last week. I could have kind of pushed it. But I think the right choice was to sit out one week and be full go this week."

Pickett was officially cleared from concussion protocol earlier this week, and he will start against the Las Vegas Raiders, coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday. After the concussion -- his second in eight weeks -- Pickett switched to a different helmet on the recommendation of team medical staff.

Now, he's wearing a helmet equipped with a special design and padding on the back to cushion Pickett's head in the event of another violent hit against the ground. Tight end Pat Freiermuth wears a similarly sized helmet after also suffering multiple concussions over his first two NFL seasons.<<

Having had a pretty significant concussion about 10 years ago, it’s insane to me how fast NFL players routinely return from concussions. Of course there are all ranges of seriousness and these guys are getting the best care in the world, but it took me months to get completely back to normal. I felt a lot better after about 3 weeks, but 2 months later I was able to look back and realize that I wasn’t even close to being normal after those 3 weeks.

IMO, no way Tua should play again this year. Same with Pickett. He should have been done for the year.

 

[jrt103]

Shut it down. Guy is racking up brain injuries and needs to just heal up for next season

Start Skylar the last 2 weeks just to see if he is backup material.

 

[FairWarning]

Picket has had 2 concussions this season. And like Tua, the symptoms showed up late on his latest concussion.

>>Dec 22, 2022

• View attachment 3296
  Brooke PryorESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- Kenny Pickett felt fine at first. After absorbing a big hit from Ravens linebacker Roquan Smith and hitting his head on the turf, the Steelers' rookie quarterback exited the Week 14 game and went into the blue injury tent on the sideline to be evaluated for a concussion.

He was cleared and reentered the game on the Steelers' next drive. But over the course of the quick three-play series, Pickett noticed changes in his vision setting in. That's when he knew something was wrong and self-reported his symptoms when he came off the field.

"I thought I was good to go, felt good," Pickett said Thursday. "And I got back out there and started running, and they started coming into play more. I'm moving and things are going fast. That's when symptoms started to come up, and I had to go inside.

.. I came off the field, was not feeling good, so that's why I went in."

Pickett was limited in practice during the week that followed, and though he felt better by the end of the week, he decided it was safest to hold off on returning to action until after the Week 15 game against the Carolina Panthers.

"I went through with the doctors and listened to what they said," Pickett said. "And definitely the right call was not to play last week. I could have kind of pushed it. But I think the right choice was to sit out one week and be full go this week."

Pickett was officially cleared from concussion protocol earlier this week, and he will start against the Las Vegas Raiders, coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday. After the concussion -- his second in eight weeks -- Pickett switched to a different helmet on the recommendation of team medical staff.

Now, he's wearing a helmet equipped with a special design and padding on the back to cushion Pickett's head in the event of another violent hit against the ground. Tight end Pat Freiermuth wears a similarly sized helmet after also suffering multiple concussions over his first two NFL seasons.<<

Wasn’t Mark Kelso the first to use this type of helmet?

 

[3 hour lunch]

Picket has had 2 concussions this season. And like Tua, the symptoms showed up late on his latest concussion.

>>Dec 22, 2022

• View attachment 3296
  Brooke PryorESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- Kenny Pickett felt fine at first. After absorbing a big hit from Ravens linebacker Roquan Smith and hitting his head on the turf, the Steelers' rookie quarterback exited the Week 14 game and went into the blue injury tent on the sideline to be evaluated for a concussion.

He was cleared and reentered the game on the Steelers' next drive. But over the course of the quick three-play series, Pickett noticed changes in his vision setting in. That's when he knew something was wrong and self-reported his symptoms when he came off the field.

"I thought I was good to go, felt good," Pickett said Thursday. "And I got back out there and started running, and they started coming into play more. I'm moving and things are going fast. That's when symptoms started to come up, and I had to go inside.

.. I came off the field, was not feeling good, so that's why I went in."

Pickett was limited in practice during the week that followed, and though he felt better by the end of the week, he decided it was safest to hold off on returning to action until after the Week 15 game against the Carolina Panthers.

"I went through with the doctors and listened to what they said," Pickett said. "And definitely the right call was not to play last week. I could have kind of pushed it. But I think the right choice was to sit out one week and be full go this week."

Pickett was officially cleared from concussion protocol earlier this week, and he will start against the Las Vegas Raiders, coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday. After the concussion -- his second in eight weeks -- Pickett switched to a different helmet on the recommendation of team medical staff.

Now, he's wearing a helmet equipped with a special design and padding on the back to cushion Pickett's head in the event of another violent hit against the ground. Tight end Pat Freiermuth wears a similarly sized helmet after also suffering multiple concussions over his first two NFL seasons.<<

Is there a reason everyone doesn’t use this special helmet, all the time?

 

[Dizzy]

Concussion protocol?

That's interesting. I saw something on Twitter feed this morning showing - yet another - moment of Tua falling awkwardly and the back of his head bouncing off the turf. I think it was a late 2nd QTR sack. The reporter posting the video was suggesting that this was the moment where Tua went from sharp QB carving up the Packers to "I can't tell which jersey my team wears" in the 2nd half.

He doesn't seem to have any instincts for protecting himself. Seemingly harmless plays take on the ultra-violent appearance when Tua is involved.

 

[eighsse2]

Picket has had 2 concussions this season. And like Tua, the symptoms showed up late on his latest concussion.

>>Dec 22, 2022

• View attachment 3296
  Brooke PryorESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- Kenny Pickett felt fine at first. After absorbing a big hit from Ravens linebacker Roquan Smith and hitting his head on the turf, the Steelers' rookie quarterback exited the Week 14 game and went into the blue injury tent on the sideline to be evaluated for a concussion.

He was cleared and reentered the game on the Steelers' next drive. But over the course of the quick three-play series, Pickett noticed changes in his vision setting in. That's when he knew something was wrong and self-reported his symptoms when he came off the field.

"I thought I was good to go, felt good," Pickett said Thursday. "And I got back out there and started running, and they started coming into play more. I'm moving and things are going fast. That's when symptoms started to come up, and I had to go inside.

.. I came off the field, was not feeling good, so that's why I went in."

Pickett was limited in practice during the week that followed, and though he felt better by the end of the week, he decided it was safest to hold off on returning to action until after the Week 15 game against the Carolina Panthers.

"I went through with the doctors and listened to what they said," Pickett said. "And definitely the right call was not to play last week. I could have kind of pushed it. But I think the right choice was to sit out one week and be full go this week."

Pickett was officially cleared from concussion protocol earlier this week, and he will start against the Las Vegas Raiders, coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday. After the concussion -- his second in eight weeks -- Pickett switched to a different helmet on the recommendation of team medical staff.

Now, he's wearing a helmet equipped with a special design and padding on the back to cushion Pickett's head in the event of another violent hit against the ground. Tight end Pat Freiermuth wears a similarly sized helmet after also suffering multiple concussions over his first two NFL seasons.<<

Is there a reason everyone doesn’t use this special helmet, all the time?

Dude where's the fun in that. What's next, belts, for your seat, in your car?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Concussion protocol?

That's interesting. I saw something on Twitter feed this morning showing - yet another - moment of Tua falling awkwardly and the back of his head bouncing off the turf. I think it was a late 2nd QTR sack. The reporter posting the video was suggesting that this was the moment where Tua went from sharp QB carving up the Packers to "I can't tell which jersey my team wears" in the 2nd half.

He doesn't seem to have any instincts for protecting himself. Seemingly harmless plays take on the ultra-violent appearance when Tua is involved.

Agreed. Knowing how to take a hit and how to fall to protect yourself is a skill, and it's one he doesn't seem to have. Not trying to sound mean, but that is what it looks like.

He seems like a good dude overall, and given the increasing number of concussions he seems to be getting, he'd be smart to take the money he has made and retire now. I know football players are wired differently, so retiring at this age is the last thing he wants to do, but to continue to subject himself to head injuries seems unwise.

 

[ghostguy123]

Did anything actually happen in the game? Or residual from before?

 

[karl.Racki]

Shut it down. Guy is racking up brain injuries and needs to just heal up for next season

Start Skylar the last 2 weeks just to see if he is backup material.

Charles Woodson is saying Tua really needs to consider retirement for his own safety.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Really like Tua and was rooting for him, great story and seems like a good dude, but they got him figured out. One could say as much before the draft. Had that streak/run been in the 2nd half of a season, with those WRs, who knows what could've happened (although it was not against good Ds). Either way, sad to say, this chapter is done. Would love to be wrong, btw.

 

[Doug B]

Did anything actually happen in the game? Or residual from before?

Yes, here’s the play:

https://twitter.com/Jesse_Mej/status/1607507622323789825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1607507622323789825%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Watching MNF Countdown, Steve Young is basically screaming at the TV, on the verge of tears, about how the league and the doctors are failing Tua right now.

I think we can be more specific than "the leauge" or "the doctors." Tua's coach sent him right back on the field in week 3 after seeing him not be able to stand upright just like the rest of us. There's no mystery over who's responsible for that. It's not like some low-level flunky made the call to send their franchise QB back into the game with an obvious head injury.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Shut it down. Guy is racking up brain injuries and needs to just heal up for next season

Start Skylar the last 2 weeks just to see if he is backup material.

they are in contention for the playoffs, so there’s no way he’s going to be the starter. Bridgewater will run the offense and is more than capable of putting up points. He doesn’t have a great arm either, but maybe he can actually reach Hill and Waddle on those long bombs

 

[SoBeDad]

Shut it down. Guy is racking up brain injuries and needs to just heal up for next season

Start Skylar the last 2 weeks just to see if he is backup material.

they are in contention for the playoffs, so there’s no way he’s going to be the starter. Bridgewater will run the offense and is more than capable of putting up points. He doesn’t have a great arm either, but maybe he can actually reach Hill and Waddle on those long bombs

>>Chargers about to clinch playoff spot. So Dolphins can claim last remaining AFC wild card by winning twice OR by winning at NE and Jets losing at Seattle OR by beating Jets and Patriots losing at Buffalo Jan. 8.<<

Yes, Miami could make the playoffs with 2 wins, or even 1 win. Does Tua come back for the playoffs if Miami makes it with the opponent either KC or BUF? It would risk a 4th concussion within 4 months.

BTW, it is as important to reach Hill and Waddle on long bombs as it is to not overthrow. Tua has been good at throwing catchable bombs to Hill and Waddle, even though a few have been slight underthrows.

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1607583589415239680?t=9rE-DpfZro_e1AW-vhIKuQ&s=19

 

[BobbyLayne]

Did anything actually happen in the game? Or residual from before?

Yes, here’s the play:

https://twitter.com/Jesse_Mej/status/1607507622323789825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1607507622323789825%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

oh man

We've known about CTE from chronic mild traumatic brain injury for nearly 20 years

https://lemonbayhigh.com/docs/uploads/ChabotS/CTE-NFL-part-11.pdf

There is no amount of compensation that makes this worth it

Competitors are hard wired to compete; it's highly unlikely Tua walks away

But for his long term health I wish he would

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Guardian caps used by some position groups in training camp

Funky-Looking Guardian Caps Rejected by NFL for Regulation Play, OK'd for Practice

Hoping they will revisit using the pullover foam caps we saw this summer. Just mandate it, will look goofy for awhile but everyone will adjust.

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Not sure about studies WRT to grass turf versus synthetic surfaces. Seems inconclusive. But the NFL should fund more studies on traumatic brain injury. They need to do more than lip service.

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Unrelated, but the six teams using slit film should get rid of that lousy surface.

(Cincinnati Bengals, New Jersey Giants/Jets, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints and Indianapolis Colts)

 

[SoBeDad]

oh man

We've known about CTE from chronic mild traumatic brain injury for nearly 20 years

https://lemonbayhigh.com/docs/uploads/ChabotS/CTE-NFL-part-11.pdf
There is no amount of compensation that makes this worth it

Competitors are hard wired to compete; it's highly unlikely Tua walks away

But for his long term health I wish he would

That case report from almost 20 years ago was probowler Mike Iron Man Webster, IIRC, who blocked for Franco Harris during much of his career. The NFL played downplayed concussion and CTE science for many years. Now, there's no hiding, well not quite, but with twitter there's a real-time accounting of obvious head injuries. But guys like Mike Webster could have head injuries in almost every game without staggering or losing consciousness. There are also over 3 million concussions in sports every year in the USA. It's risk versus reward. There might be better plasma biomarkers in the future to gauge brain damage in real time ... the advances in such biomarkers for Alzheimer's Disease pathology have been significant. But 'cognitive reserve' varies between individuals so the same amount of concussive brain damage could have different consequences in different individuals. I don't think Tua plays again in the regular season.

 

[ghostguy123]

Did anything actually happen in the game? Or residual from before?

Yes, here’s the play:

https://twitter.com/Jesse_Mej/status/1607507622323789825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1607507622323789825%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

That might explain how horrible he was for the rest of the game

 

[The Duff Man]

Watching MNF Countdown, Steve Young is basically screaming at the TV, on the verge of tears, about how the league and the doctors are failing Tua right now.

I think we can be more specific than "the leauge" or "the doctors." Tua's coach sent him right back on the field in week 3 after seeing him not be able to stand upright just like the rest of us. There's no mystery over who's responsible for that. It's not like some low-level flunky made the call to send their franchise QB back into the game with an obvious head injury.

Agree 100%.

And trying to pass the buck afterward by saying he was following the doctors because they cleared him is just gross.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Watching MNF Countdown, Steve Young is basically screaming at the TV, on the verge of tears, about how the league and the doctors are failing Tua right now.

I think we can be more specific than "the leauge" or "the doctors." Tua's coach sent him right back on the field in week 3 after seeing him not be able to stand upright just like the rest of us. There's no mystery over who's responsible for that. It's not like some low-level flunky made the call to send their franchise QB back into the game with an obvious head injury.

Agree 100%.

And trying to pass the buck afterward by saying he was following the doctors because they cleared him is just gross.

Fire Coach M&M and push Tua into retirement early
No reason to dance around it, just say it

 

[eighsse2]

I'm sorry, but "protecting people from themselves" is a really slippery slope. Granted, this isn't the government we're talking about (that's where it gets scary), but like I said ... slippery slope ... all about organizations and companies needing to "look virtuous". Applications of this philosophy can be made in almost any facet of life. "Oh sorry, we're booting you from the fantasy league. Fantasy football seems to frustrate you more than bring you joy, so you know, we need to take care of your emotional health." I could go on but I will spare you...

 

[babydemon90]

I'm sorry, but "protecting people from themselves" is a really slippery slope. Granted, this isn't the government we're talking about (that's where it gets scary), but like I said ... slippery slope ... all about organizations and companies needing to "look virtuous". Applications of this philosophy can be made in almost any facet of life. "Oh sorry, we're booting you from the fantasy league. Fantasy football seems to frustrate you more than bring you joy, so you know, we need to take care of your emotional health." I could go on but I will spare you...

I think we're just specifically talking about the NFL, with known long term impacts of concussions, and multiple lawsuits already administered here. Thats...not very slippery.

 

[eighsse2]

I'm sorry, but "protecting people from themselves" is a really slippery slope. Granted, this isn't the government we're talking about (that's where it gets scary), but like I said ... slippery slope ... all about organizations and companies needing to "look virtuous". Applications of this philosophy can be made in almost any facet of life. "Oh sorry, we're booting you from the fantasy league. Fantasy football seems to frustrate you more than bring you joy, so you know, we need to take care of your emotional health." I could go on but I will spare you...

I think we're just specifically talking about the NFL, with known long term impacts of concussions, and multiple lawsuits already administered here. Thats...not very slippery.

I don't see any reason why they should "protect him" unless there's something in the contract that says they should.

Now granted, the point can make total sense at the team level, that is, the team wants a player to be available in the future and should under certain circumstances sit him temporarily to avoid reinjury or worsening of an injury. But should the NFL or team be forced to sit him, against their own and his own will? That's whack.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm sorry, but "protecting people from themselves" is a really slippery slope. Granted, this isn't the government we're talking about (that's where it gets scary), but like I said ... slippery slope ... all about organizations and companies needing to "look virtuous". Applications of this philosophy can be made in almost any facet of life. "Oh sorry, we're booting you from the fantasy league. Fantasy football seems to frustrate you more than bring you joy, so you know, we need to take care of your emotional health." I could go on but I will spare you...

I think we're just specifically talking about the NFL, with known long term impacts of concussions, and multiple lawsuits already administered here. Thats...not very slippery.

I don't see any reason why they should "protect him" unless there's something in the contract that says they should.

Now granted, the point can make total sense at the team level, that is, the team wants a player to be available in the future and should under certain circumstances sit him temporarily to avoid reinjury or worsening of an injury. But should the NFL or team be forced to sit him, against their own and his own will? That's whack.

Even if you, the team, and the player himself don't care about player safety, there's another good reason why we ask all teams to follow the same protocols: competitive balance. We don't want to create a situation where one team has an advantage over another because they don't care about long-term brain damage.

It's one thing for a player to play through a sprained knee or a broken hand. It's another thing to play with lingering concussion symptoms. We've collectively decided that we don't mind players developing arthritis later in life, but we're drawing a line at CTE and other brain injuries. That seems reasonable to me. And it's important that all teams go along with this expectation, even if they don't agree with it philosophically, because doing so is in the collective best interests of the NFL.

My team has had guys in concussion protocol too. Our starting C is there right now. It sucks, but every team has dealt with this over the past several years. As long as we're all held to the same standards, it's at least fair.

 

[babydemon90]

I'm sorry, but "protecting people from themselves" is a really slippery slope. Granted, this isn't the government we're talking about (that's where it gets scary), but like I said ... slippery slope ... all about organizations and companies needing to "look virtuous". Applications of this philosophy can be made in almost any facet of life. "Oh sorry, we're booting you from the fantasy league. Fantasy football seems to frustrate you more than bring you joy, so you know, we need to take care of your emotional health." I could go on but I will spare you...

I think we're just specifically talking about the NFL, with known long term impacts of concussions, and multiple lawsuits already administered here. Thats...not very slippery.

I don't see any reason why they should "protect him" unless there's something in the contract that says they should.

Now granted, the point can make total sense at the team level, that is, the team wants a player to be available in the future and should under certain circumstances sit him temporarily to avoid reinjury or worsening of an injury. But should the NFL or team be forced to sit him, against their own and his own will? That's whack.

a) that's a very different discussion then the 'slippery slope' one you were trying to make, but good - much better to actually discuss the merits involved here specifically.
b) The NFL is not being forced to sit him. The teams aren't being forced. The players isn't being forced. What is happening is they are being 'forced' to follow rules that they agreed to. The NFL and the NFLPA agreed to concussion protocol and rules. It's not "whack", it's literally how CBA's and rules work. That's like saying it's "whack" that an offensive lineman isn't allowed to not wear a helmet.
c) No one is going to force the team to sit him beyond the concussion protocol. That have the right to - teams make decisions about what players to bench/start all the time. But the team isn't forced to sit him or not. The player? Yea, teams sit players without their consent all the time. That again is a rule and stipulation they agree to in order to play the game.

 

[GreenNGold]

So, this is the second time this year that Tua continued to play with a concussion after being cleared by doctors? Sounds like Miami needs a new medical staff.

 

[eighsse2]

I'm sorry, but "protecting people from themselves" is a really slippery slope. Granted, this isn't the government we're talking about (that's where it gets scary), but like I said ... slippery slope ... all about organizations and companies needing to "look virtuous". Applications of this philosophy can be made in almost any facet of life. "Oh sorry, we're booting you from the fantasy league. Fantasy football seems to frustrate you more than bring you joy, so you know, we need to take care of your emotional health." I could go on but I will spare you...

I think we're just specifically talking about the NFL, with known long term impacts of concussions, and multiple lawsuits already administered here. Thats...not very slippery.

I don't see any reason why they should "protect him" unless there's something in the contract that says they should.

Now granted, the point can make total sense at the team level, that is, the team wants a player to be available in the future and should under certain circumstances sit him temporarily to avoid reinjury or worsening of an injury. But should the NFL or team be forced to sit him, against their own and his own will? That's whack.

a) that's a very different discussion then the 'slippery slope' one you were trying to make, but good - much better to actually discuss the merits involved here specifically.
b) The NFL is not being forced to sit him. The teams aren't being forced. The players isn't being forced. What is happening is they are being 'forced' to follow rules that they agreed to. The NFL and the NFLPA agreed to concussion protocol and rules. It's not "whack", it's literally how CBA's and rules work. That's like saying it's "whack" that an offensive lineman isn't allowed to not wear a helmet.
c) No one is going to force the team to sit him beyond the concussion protocol. That have the right to - teams make decisions about what players to bench/start all the time. But the team isn't forced to sit him or not. The player? Yea, teams sit players without their consent all the time. That again is a rule and stipulation they agree to in order to play the game.

If that's in the CBA, then yes it should definitely be adhered to. I feel like they were likely bullied into the position of agreeing to it though. Oh well, you're probably right that it's best for everyone, I just never like it at all when I see someone (the player in this case) being forced to do or not do any particular thing "for his own good". It's creepy. "We know what's best for you. We'll make the call. We loooove you."

 

[Obie Wan]

So, this is the second time this year that Tua continued to play with a concussion after being cleared by doctors? Sounds like Miami needs a new medical staff.

well, the 3rd time,
but the 1st one against Buffalo where he staggered around the field, was diagnosed as a back injury by those medical experts, so he could play immediately

 

[Todem]

So, this is the second time this year that Tua continued to play with a concussion after being cleared by doctors? Sounds like Miami needs a new medical staff.

well, the 3rd time,
but the 1st one against Buffalo where he staggered around the field, was diagnosed as a back injury by those medical experts, so he could play immediately

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

None of us will ever know what really happened. But in this age of Twitter folks dissecting videos and becoming neurologists......here we are. I don’t know with any certainty he had a concussion vs Buffalo....the only one I know with certainty is vs the Bengals and that was a scary scene. Also and obviously he suffered one Sunday but clearly did not show symptoms at all to alert the medical staff something was wrong.

And that is the norm in the NFL. How many guys play through mild concussions every week without ever tipping off the medical staff something is wrong? Even today I assure you it is going on.

There is nothing that can be done about that. There are no concussion police. This is about the player knowing he has one or having symptoms and either revealing it to go into the protocol or if the medical staff or coach or whoever can easily ascertain he is showing symptoms of a potential concussion.

Tua was not staggering around anywhere, showed no physical symptoms.....and obviously said nothing as he proceeded to toss 3 interceptions in the second half.

I can almost bet he knew he had one and said nothing. Or maybe he did not and Monday he woke up with a massive headache......again none of us will really know. And you gotta love the vitriol on Twitter where everyone is a ****ing head injury specialist these days. So glad I deleted Twitter a month ago. Absolute cesspool. I wish some of my friends would stop sending me links to tweets and videos on that platform......from now on...we ignore them and delete the text. I can’t take it anymore.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

I'm with you on the GB game. It never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with Tua, so I'm not going to criticize the team or physicians for missing what I also missed.

But with regard to the Buffalo game, come on man. We all knew that he was concussed literally as soon as it happened. The people who cleared him to come back into the game did so deliberately, in direct violation of league policy. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that that was an honest mistake made by medical professionals acting in good faith. That's just not plausible.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

"Back injury."

 

[Gatorman]

So, this is the second time this year that Tua continued to play with a concussion after being cleared by doctors? Sounds like Miami needs a new medical staff.

well, the 3rd time,
but the 1st one against Buffalo where he staggered around the field, was diagnosed as a back injury by those medical experts, so he could play immediately

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

None of us will ever know what really happened. But in this age of Twitter folks dissecting videos and becoming neurologists......here we are. I don’t know with any certainty he had a concussion vs Buffalo....the only one I know with certainty is vs the Bengals and that was a scary scene. Also and obviously he suffered one Sunday but clearly did not show symptoms at all to alert the medical staff something was wrong.

And that is the norm in the NFL. How many guys play through mild concussions every week without ever tipping off the medical staff something is wrong? Even today I assure you it is going on.

There is nothing that can be done about that. There are no concussion police. This is about the player knowing he has one or having symptoms and either revealing it to go into the protocol or if the medical staff or coach or whoever can easily ascertain he is showing symptoms of a potential concussion.

Tua was not staggering around anywhere, showed no physical symptoms.....and obviously said nothing as he proceeded to toss 3 interceptions in the second half.

I can almost bet he knew he had one and said nothing. Or maybe he did not and Monday he woke up with a massive headache......again none of us will really know. And you gotta love the vitriol on Twitter where everyone is a ****ing head injury specialist these days. So glad I deleted Twitter a month ago. Absolute cesspool. I wish some of my friends would stop sending me links to tweets and videos on that platform......from now on...we ignore them and delete the text. I can’t take it anymore.

I agree with this. Until we have some sort of sensor on the helmet indicating a certain forceful hit to the area (to pull the player off the field for an evaluation) its all going to be subjective. With subjective findings its going to be open to interpretation and monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[SoBeDad]

The 3 INTs in the 2nd half were not Tua's fault because of the concussion. Sure. And maybe. It appeared to be a stronger collision between his head and the ground than in the BUF game.

>>Bottom line is that his second half play (3 INTs) cannot be blamed on Tua. Team now believes he was playing after having had a concussion, one that nobody knew about except one guy on Twitter.<<

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1608141523035557889?s=20&t=z-R622LI1HeUtVFpQQm32w

 

[zeeshan2]

[Louis-Jacques] McDaniel said he’s been advised by medical professionals that “it’s critical Tua worries about the day he’s in and nothing else”

[Adam Schefter] Dolphins’ HC Mike McDaniel told reporters that QB Tua Tagovailoa did, in fact, suffer a concussion Sunday. Teddy Bridgewater is in line to start Sunday at New England.

 

[ghostguy123]

So, this is the second time this year that Tua continued to play with a concussion after being cleared by doctors? Sounds like Miami needs a new medical staff.

well, the 3rd time,
but the 1st one against Buffalo where he staggered around the field, was diagnosed as a back injury by those medical experts, so he could play immediately

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do?

Well, he showed no symptoms based on what during the GB game? Did he get tested on the sidelines? Perhaps he should have after his head slammed into the ground again. Maybe THAT is what we are supposed to do.
His second half play looked "odd", and it makes a lot more sense knowing he was playing with a concussion.

 

[Capella]

[Louis-Jacques] McDaniel said he’s been advised by medical professionals that “it’s critical Tua worries about the day he’s in and nothing else”

[Adam Schefter] Dolphins’ HC Mike McDaniel told reporters that QB Tua Tagovailoa did, in fact, suffer a concussion Sunday. Teddy Bridgewater is in line to start Sunday at New England.

Unbelievable. What is wrong with this league.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Perkins] McDaniel said the team questioned Tua Monday after noticing inconsistencies on game tape. After that questioning, they told Tua to see a professional and that's when concussion was diagnosed.

[Pelissero] The NFLPA initiated a joint review Tuesday into the application of concussion protocol with Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa.

 

[SoBeDad]

On Monday, the explanation for the 3 INTs were that GB was baiting him, and Tua threw the 1st INT into a crowd and slightly overthrew Hill, and Mostert ran the wrong route. So, Tua must've reported something new to coach MM.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dolphins' Tua Tagovailoa has another confirmed concussion; Teddy Bridgewater to start vs. Patriots in Week 17

Mike McDaniel updated Miami's QB situation Wednesday

www.cbssports.com

Teddy Bridgewater will start in Tua''s place Sunday at New England

 

[Todem]

Dolphins' Tua Tagovailoa has another confirmed concussion; Teddy Bridgewater to start vs. Patriots in Week 17

Mike McDaniel updated Miami's QB situation Wednesday

www.cbssports.com

Teddy Bridgewater will start in Tua''s place Sunday at New England

Teddy gonna get cooked….he sucks ***.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dolphins' Tua Tagovailoa has another confirmed concussion; Teddy Bridgewater to start vs. Patriots in Week 17

Mike McDaniel updated Miami's QB situation Wednesday

www.cbssports.com

Teddy Bridgewater will start in Tua''s place Sunday at New England

Teddy gonna get cooked….he sucks ***.

He'll be in concussion protocol by the end of the 1st drive
I would be pushing Skylar Thompson if I sat up in the box

 

[Todem]

So, this is the second time this year that Tua continued to play with a concussion after being cleared by doctors? Sounds like Miami needs a new medical staff.

well, the 3rd time,
but the 1st one against Buffalo where he staggered around the field, was diagnosed as a back injury by those medical experts, so he could play immediately

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do?

Well, he showed no symptoms based on what during the GB game? Did he get tested on the sidelines? Perhaps he should have after his head slammed into the ground again. Maybe THAT is what we are supposed to do.
His second half play looked "odd", and it makes a lot more sense knowing he was playing with a concussion.

That’s my point…..he did not complain and said nothing to anyone. My point is are we now gonna analyze every player that gets shoved to the ground and hits their head on the ground period?

How many guys getting tackled get thrown to the ground and have contact with their helmet to the ground? I venture to say a lot over the course of a football game.

I mean let’s be real about this….we are gonna now require a blue tent visit for any tackle like that?

Because the player has a responsibility to himself too. If he knows he is not right and does not say anything….who is that on?

 

[Todem]

On Monday, the explanation for the 3 INTs were that GB was baiting him, and Tua threw the 1st INT into a crowd and slightly overthrew Hill, and Mostert ran the wrong route. So, Tua must've reported something new to coach MM.

Looked like bad QB play to me. I am not sure how much can be attributed to a concussion. How many times did Steve Young, Brett Favre and Troy Aikman ball after being clocked repeatedly. Also he looked like **** vs SF and the Chargers but looked very solid vs the Bills….are we saying he was concussed back vs Houston too as some Twitter Tuanon hacks are also claiming?

Just saying.

All of this is quite fuzzy. Bottom line for me as a Dolphin fan….same **** different season. We ain’t going anywhere yet again. And yeah we need to re-evaluate the QB position yet again.

If Tua is having chronic concussions he needs to ask himself if he will keep going.

 

[Todem]

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

I'm with you on the GB game. It never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with Tua, so I'm not going to criticize the team or physicians for missing what I also missed.

But with regard to the Buffalo game, come on man. We all knew that he was concussed literally as soon as it happened. The people who cleared him to come back into the game did so deliberately, in direct violation of league policy. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that that was an honest mistake made by medical professionals acting in good faith. That's just not plausible.

He probably did…..but the back injury explanation was highly plausible based on real life. I have experienced exactly what he looked like stumbling when my
own back has locked up.

So I guess the independent neurologist lied as well as the team doctor….that is what we are gonna assume. And if that is the case it was sure swept under the rug pretty quickly.

 

[ghostguy123]

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

I'm with you on the GB game. It never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with Tua, so I'm not going to criticize the team or physicians for missing what I also missed.

But with regard to the Buffalo game, come on man. We all knew that he was concussed literally as soon as it happened. The people who cleared him to come back into the game did so deliberately, in direct violation of league policy. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that that was an honest mistake made by medical professionals acting in good faith. That's just not plausible.

He probably did…..but the back injury explanation was highly plausible based on real life. I have experienced exactly what he looked like stumbling when my
own back has locked up.

So I guess the independent neurologist lied as well as the team doctor….that is what we are gonna assume. And if that is the case it was sure swept under the rug pretty quickly.

NOTHING from that Buffalo game could be viewed as a back injury. C'mon now.
I realize back injuries are terrible and have seen first hand how they are crippling, but THAT moment was plain as day head injury from the second he went down.

 

[Todem]

Watching MNF Countdown, Steve Young is basically screaming at the TV, on the verge of tears, about how the league and the doctors are failing Tua right now.

Steve Young knowingly played all the time while being concussed.

It’s like the players are now playing the victim. They knew exactly what they were doing.

The NFL clearly hid the affects of CTE and repeated blows to the head….but where is personal responsibility over your own body? You know you are not right…you know something is very wrong.

Don’t play.

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

I'm with you on the GB game. It never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with Tua, so I'm not going to criticize the team or physicians for missing what I also missed.

But with regard to the Buffalo game, come on man. We all knew that he was concussed literally as soon as it happened. The people who cleared him to come back into the game did so deliberately, in direct violation of league policy. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that that was an honest mistake made by medical professionals acting in good faith. That's just not plausible.

He probably did…..but the back injury explanation was highly plausible based on real life. I have experienced exactly what he looked like stumbling when my
own back has locked up.

So I guess the independent neurologist lied as well as the team doctor….that is what we are gonna assume. And if that is the case it was sure swept under the rug pretty quickly.

NOTHING from that Buffalo game could be viewed as a back injury. C'mon now.
I realize back injuries are terrible and have seen first hand how they are crippling, but THAT moment was plain as day head injury from the second he went

Actually no....he exhibited no symptoms at all vs GB. The symptoms showed up on Monday Morning apparently. If a player is exhibiting no physical or cognitive symptoms what are we supposed to do? Monitor every single hit a player takes in a game that is called tackle football?

The Buffalo game.....that was a wild occurrence and yes....players actually can stumble and collapse if the back locks up on you. I don’t know about you...but I have had back injury/spasam episodes. Yes...you can actually look drunk as a skunk and three sheets to the wind when you all of a sudden have your back lock up on you.

I'm with you on the GB game. It never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with Tua, so I'm not going to criticize the team or physicians for missing what I also missed.

But with regard to the Buffalo game, come on man. We all knew that he was concussed literally as soon as it happened. The people who cleared him to come back into the game did so deliberately, in direct violation of league policy. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that that was an honest mistake made by medical professionals acting in good faith. That's just not plausible.

He probably did…..but the back injury explanation was highly plausible based on real life. I have experienced exactly what he looked like stumbling when my
own back has locked up.

So I guess the independent neurologist lied as well as the team doctor….that is what we are gonna assume. And if that is the case it was sure swept under the rug pretty quickly.

NOTHING from that Buffalo game could be viewed as a back injury. C'mon now.
I realize back injuries are terrible and have seen first hand how they are crippling, but THAT moment was plain as day head injury from the second he went down.

Again….I am not saying it was not a head injury. I am questioning the doctors And again they passed it off as a back injury….he did not even go into the concussion protocol after all that!!! He played that Thursday in Cincy and we saw what happened with his fingers fencing.

How were the Dolphins not investigated and outted? The doctors, the coaches!!!

My point is really…..it was never rubber stamped by anyone on the team or an independent NFL person with 4 years of freaking medical school as a concussion that occurred vs Buffalo that day.

How in this day and age (with all we know about CTE and concussions) does that happen!!!