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QB Zach Wilson, MIA (3 Viewers)

Pro Football Network's Mike Kaye reports Zach Wilson has struggled with accuracy in Jets OTAs. 

"I got a close look at Wilson on Wednesday during OTAs at the team’s facility, and I came away with a shoulder shrug of sorts," Kaye said. "Wilson got off to a rough start in team drills as his first four passes were as follows: a throw behind Corey Davis, a throw that hovered over everyone, a clear throwaway after being flushed out of the pocket, and another bad misfire." Kaye said Wilson later completed a few nice throws over the middle and heavily targeted second-year WR Elijah Moore. By any measurement, Wilson's rookie year accuracy was disastrous. No quarterback had a worse completion rate over expected and only Justin Fields had a worst adjusted completion rate, per Pro Football Focus. Wilson, who has reportedly bulked up for his sophomore season, will have few excuses in 2022 after the Jets upgraded their pass-catching group with Garrett Wilson and their offensive line with Laken Tomlinson. "Overall, the recipe is there for Wilson to make a major jump," Kaye said. "That said, I think he’s still a massive projection at this point, especially in June of Year 2."

SOURCE: ProFootballNetwork.com

Jun 3, 2022, 10:34 AM ET
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Faust said:
yikes
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It's early, and this is one dude watching one series of plays (and saying it looked better as the session went on), but this isn't exactly the sort of update I was hoping for. 

We'll see if a few more 11 on 11 practice reps show improvement. I'm not panicking yet. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
It's early, and this is one dude watching one series of plays (and saying it looked better as the session went on), but this isn't exactly the sort of update I was hoping for. 

We'll see if a few more 11 on 11 practice reps show improvement. I'm not panicking yet. 
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As a potential Zach Wilson buyer - it is reports like this that do give me pause though.  

I think he has an amazing arm and a team dedicated to surround him with young talent, but I'm just not as eager to buy after an article like this comes out.  Everyone has a price, but his just went down for me. 

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
As a potential Zach Wilson buyer - it is reports like this that do give me pause though.  

I think he has an amazing arm and a team dedicated to surround him with young talent, but I'm just not as eager to buy after an article like this comes out.  Everyone has a price, but his just went down for me. 
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I’m not that reactionary. Dozens of positive reports, but one set of drills causes the price to drop?  That’s a dramatic overreaction, IMO.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
There of been nothing but positive reports all off-season. Try google.com. 👍🏼
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Connor Hughes@Connor_J_Hughes

An easy way to describe Zach Wilson through the first two weeks of the #Jets’ OTAs: The rookie QB didn’t look like a rookie QB. You could say that Tuesday, too. Only it wouldn’t do his practice justice. Because Wilson looked good. Really, really good

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Positive OTA reports are great but you never know.

The above tweet was posted last year.

6:23 PM · Jun 8, 2021·

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I have to admit, while of course this could turn out to be meaningless, I surely didn’t like hearing about it.
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That is where I am at on these reports.  Tons of hype for the players, maybe for confidence or because people are practice warriors.  I don't take much from this report, but I would have preferred it be some hype up article about how well he was doing.

 
smbkrypt24 said:
That is where I am at on these reports.  Tons of hype for the players, maybe for confidence or because people are practice warriors.  I don't take much from this report, but I would have preferred it be some hype up article about how well he was doing.
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In the same regard, as a Colts fan I feel P. Campbell has been pumped up every offseason and then he can't make it very far into the season.  

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Connor Hughes@Connor_J_Hughes

An easy way to describe Zach Wilson through the first two weeks of the #Jets’ OTAs: The rookie QB didn’t look like a rookie QB. You could say that Tuesday, too. Only it wouldn’t do his practice justice. Because Wilson looked good. Really, really good

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Positive OTA reports are great but you never know.

The above tweet was posted last year.

6:23 PM · Jun 8, 2021·
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It’s pretty early. One practice report does not a full off-season make. 

 
This is a genuine question and not sh* talk - has a qb come into the league, outside of Josh Allen, whose biggest issue in college and his rookie season was accuracy who then fixed it to become a franchise QB?  As far as I'm aware poor accuracy in college and during a rookie season has always ended in a flame out.

 
wgoldsph said:
This is a genuine question and not sh* talk - has a qb come into the league, outside of Josh Allen, whose biggest issue in college and his rookie season was accuracy who then fixed it to become a franchise QB?  As far as I'm aware poor accuracy in college and during a rookie season has always ended in a flame out.
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The only thing is that Zach Wilson didn't seem to have accuracy troubles in college. In fact, he was PFFs second-rated passer of all the quarterbacks to come out that year. 

Not sure where the accuracy stories started except for the pros. And those stories are indeed legitimate if you ask me, so it's something I'll be looking for this year. But asserting he had accuracy troubles in college doesn't seem quite correct, unless you're basing your evaluation solely on Matt Waldman or somebody like that. PFF graded him highly. 

I'm not putting too much stock in a report about a series of downs, though. You never know which beat writers have which axes to grind with a guy, or if they're fluffing the dude like so many did Fields, etc. The proof will be in the pudding this year or it won't be. Either way, Zach is the QB this year. It's on him to live up to his ballyhooed ranking coming out of college. 

 
rockaction said:
I'm not putting too much stock in a report about a series of downs, though.
 
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this. It’s one series and people are like “sell Mortimer, SELL!”

:rolleyes:  

to @wgoldsph’s question, Wilson didn’t have accuracy issues in college, and in the pros last year he had 3 nanoseconds to throw the ball. He also had a rough 1st preseason where his QB coach died tragically.

It’s June, and these are voluntary OTAs.  Much of the actual team isn’t there. I have no idea how many starting OL showed up to OTAs. If Wilson looks a little rough on one series of OTAs, I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt that coaches will work with him when actual training camp starts. It’s way too early to add 3 pages to this topic about Wilson’s accuracy based on 1 blurb about OTAs. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Big subscriber count. I’ll give it a look after my market.

Footwork is important, maybe he’s onto something. 
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It's about being set in his reads. Towards the end of the season, he gets more confident in his reads so that he steps into the play instead of stepping away from it by retreating an extra step. 

Pretty much sums up the video right there. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I’m not that reactionary. Dozens of positive reports, but one set of drills causes the price to drop?  That’s a dramatic overreaction, IMO.
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Had he shown any semblance of NFL ability last year, I'd say you are right and I'm overreacting.  The narrative has been and continues to be: Zach Wilson misses wide open throws.  It sounds like more of the same for me.  I'm just saying, personally, I am not buying without a discount.  

I do think his situation is great but... definitely enough to give me some pause, as I was running different trade calcs to find a starting point for a trade. 

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
Had he shown any semblance of NFL ability last year, I'd say you are right and I'm overreacting.  The narrative has been and continues to be: Zach Wilson misses wide open throws.  It sounds like more of the same for me.  I'm just saying, personally, I am not buying without a discount.  

I do think his situation is great but... definitely enough to give me some pause, as I was running different trade calcs to find a starting point for a trade. 
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I thought he showed plenty of semblance at the end of the year. 

:shrug:

We’ll see how he looks in August. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
this. It’s one series and people are like “sell Mortimer, SELL!”

:rolleyes:  

to @wgoldsph’s question, Wilson didn’t have accuracy issues in college, and in the pros last year he had 3 nanoseconds to throw the ball. He also had a rough 1st preseason where his QB coach died tragically.

It’s June, and these are voluntary OTAs.  Much of the actual team isn’t there. I have no idea how many starting OL showed up to OTAs. If Wilson looks a little rough on one series of OTAs, I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt that coaches will work with him when actual training camp starts. It’s way too early to add 3 pages to this topic about Wilson’s accuracy based on 1 blurb about OTAs. 
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The three nanoseconds bit is what I meant - that his playmaking broke down when pressured and he went to backyard ball where it was a toss up between Mahomes (how he got drafted no 2) to head scratching cross the field oversails.  A lot of his competitors in his final year were cream puffs who gave him the opportunity to make the most of his freelancing, but that was covid, not him.  Wasn't aware of his pff grading until  @rockaction brought it up and I can't argue with that.

 
Faust said:
Jets OTA Practice Report | QB Zach Wilson Looks More Comfortable in the Offense
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Well that’s certainly a rosier outlook. Nice to hear he hit a touch pass fade route for a TD to Wilson.

That’s exactly the sort of route people were recently criticizing based on one series of reps reported by that one dude. 

Also, is it me it do Wilson’’s legs look jacked in that pic? Like tree trunks. Lower body looks like a running back.😳

”At the same time, you can still see exactly what we were hoping for in terms of him coming back, having better command of the offense and better confidence in his progression."

Ya gotta love that update. It’s early June. I’m optimistic. Kid’s a baller. Only a matter of time. 

 
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Faust said:
Jets OTA Practice Report | QB Zach Wilson Looks More Comfortable in the Offense
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I don't think it can be overstated that being in the same system/continuity is a huge benefit. I heard an analogy of switching coaches/systems is like starting at a new school. At first, you're just trying to figure out when the bells go, where the rooms are, where your locker is, etc.

I think about Alex Smith, who had a different offensive system in his first 6 or 7 years. Is it any wonder that he never achieved anything until Harbaugh came in and provided some continuity. I would be more surprised if Wilson failed to show any progress vs taking a big step forward, but that's just me and maybe what I am hoping for from the kid.

 
wgoldsph said:
This is a genuine question and not sh* talk - has a qb come into the league, outside of Josh Allen, whose biggest issue in college and his rookie season was accuracy who then fixed it to become a franchise QB?  As far as I'm aware poor accuracy in college and during a rookie season has always ended in a flame out.
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Yes, its been discussed a few years back on the weekly FootballGuys  podcast the 'Audible' and one of the examples I recalled was Matt Stafford.  That was before he got traded to LA and won the Super Bowl so its a good example.  

Steelers GM Colbert said his threshold of considering drafting a college QB was a completion percent of at least 63%.

You can clearly see Matt made a huge-leap of accuracy in 2015.

MATTHEW STAFFORD

Completion percentage by year

  • 2009 - 53.3
  • 2010 - 59.4
  • 2011 - 63.5
  • 2012 - 59.8
  • 2013 - 58.5
  • 2014 - 60.3
  • 2015 - 67.2
  • 2016 - 65.3
  • 2017 - 65.7
  • 2018 - 66.1
  • 2019 - 64.3
  • 2020 - 64.2
  • 2021 - 67.2
I don't know if it is a coincidence or not but it is kinda it interesting that Megatron retired in 2015, the year Stafford's completion percentage took a major leap. 

The FootballGuy podcast gave at least two other good examples of rookie QBs who improved accuracy over time that I can't remember.

Accuracy is an issue but there are examples QBs who struggled with accuracy in college that have improved over time in the NFL with accuracy.

 
Actually, Romo's comments were the main driver for me to go get Wilson, so I hope he (and HSG) prove to be right. I'm currently skeptical based on what I saw last year, but as I stated earlier I believe in his talent and work ethic and hope that he can improve.

I think there's a difference between accuracy and completion percentage and that both can be improved on with fundamentals and experience.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
This is from last year (Aug 20, 2021) but it stuck with me since I do not recall Romo saying this about any other QB prospect.

When someone like Romo used the term 'LEGENDARY', that stands out to me.  Makes me think there 'could' be something that 'could' emerge over time.

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Tony Romo: New York Jets QB Zach Wilson has legendary potential
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Just when I think I'm out, yall pull me back in... what would you give up for Zach Wilson?  @Hot Sauce Guy?  Anyone?  Range of player in X position?  Draft picks?

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
Just when I think I'm out, yall pull me back in... what would you give up for Zach Wilson?  @Hot Sauce Guy?  Anyone?  Range of player in X position?  Draft picks?
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Hard to say. I got him as part of a godfather offer for Mahomes.

I’ll say this though - if he is an ascending talent, this is likely nearing the end of a buy-low window for SF leagues.

I have a harder time valuing QBs for 1-QB leagues. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Hard to say. I got him as part of a godfather offer for Mahomes.

I’ll say this though - if he is an ascending talent, this is likely nearing the end of a buy-low window for SF leagues.

I have a harder time valuing QBs for 1-QB leagues. 
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Most rankings have him as a Mid-2nd value.  I think that was where was being drafted last year... with the upgrades around him, I think now is the time to Buy Low if he is going to "be exceptional" ...  Romo has been a very good analyst when he is doing games.  I have no idea if he is good at "scouting" or player evaluations.  But it is an area he might be seeing something most of us are not and he voiced his opinion. 

 
Rich Cimini @RichCimini

OC Mike LaFleur says Zach Wilson's "focus is in the right spot." Instead of concentrating on a "laundry list" of things to improve, he's dialing in on a couple of things each day. #Jets
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1536720122370482178?s=21

Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes

This was the fifth #Jets practice observed by media of summer. It was absolutely Zach Wilson’s best. There weren’t any highlight, jaw-dropping balls, but he looked as comfortable, decisive and in control as I’ve seen him. 

Finished 10 of 13 in 11-on-11. He was 13 of 16 in 7-on-7
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1536759898322649093?s=21

Harrison Glaser @NYJetsTFMedia

Zach Wilson had a good 1st day of #Jets minicamp

Thanks to Joe Douglas, all the pieces are around him. As Zach keeps developing, we're gonna see this team going places 🔥

I. Can't. Wait. 😤
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https://twitter.com/nyjetstfmedia/status/1536764007322877952?s=21

 
If Wilson can just advance to competent level - with these weapons he could put up some really big time numbers.  

 
Kiddnets said:
If Wilson can just advance to competent level - with these weapons he could put up some really big time numbers.  
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Not that it means very much in a setting like OTAs, but apparently he was lighting up the defense yesterday and only had one incompletion on the day. 

 
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