Racist rancher,feds at a standoff.Drone strike looming! (1 Viewer)

[jonessed]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

The correct next step would have been to seize his cattle by force and toss him and anyone else who fights their efforts in jail, just like they would with any other idiot who resists law enforcement.

Well thankfully cooler heads prevailed,for now at least.

As is often the case with these. You should see the slack the police give on some of the protests in SF. The alternative is generally a lot of violence, which is something only hotheads would encourage.

 

[timschochet]

Yeah but at some point they're going to have to seize his cattle and arrest anyone who tries to stop them. What other choice is there?

 

[johnjohn]

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada-solar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/

 

[Dr Oadi]

Fascists.

 

[johnjohn]

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/16/nevada-ranchers-son-harry-reid-needs-to-be-kicked-out-of-office/

 

[fatness]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

People use to just ignore his links since they were usually posted in botlike manner just to get them on the screen.

However, scrutinizing them has become quite chuckleworthy.

 

[fatness]

i think they should have called the guys from cops to come over and chase him around on tape and then kneel on his head for a while while they play the bad boys song that would have been what i wanted to see hey man bad boys bad boys whatcha goona do whatcha gonna do when they shoot your cattle and kneel on you and then that voice would say cops if filmed live with real cops bam take that to the bank bromigos

/thread

 

[fatness]

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada-solar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/

Alex Jones as a source.

There is a solar farm under construction. But it is not on the huge swath of land on which Bundy’s cattle trespass. The solar facility under construction is near the Moapa Indian Reservation about ten miles closer to Las Vegas than Bundy’s place.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/04/13/right-wing-disinformation-bundys-land-is-not-solar-farm-for-harry-reid/

It is amazing that conspiracy theorist Alex Jones would actually publish a map showing the location of the project. Anyone with the least geographic information can see it is not on the land where Bundy has been stealing the public’s grass for a generation.

 

[fatness]

Make it happen at Bundy Ranch?

 

[glock]

A whacked conspiracy driven FB friend of mine posted a Storm Front video on my wall "encouraging" folks from the left and the right to step back and listen to HIM debunk the myths and get the facts... It's already been pulled-fanning the federal conspiracy flames- like they needed fanning.

Anyone else catch this??

"Bundy Ranch: what they aren't telling you" was the title...

 

[Rove!]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

even the Lefty bloggers agree with me. You guys are way to the left of even the most partisan environmentalists....

 

[Rove!]

Isn't Harry Reid the type of guy the leftists are supposed to despise? Crony "capitalist" who uses his power to enrich himself, while abusing the "little people" and displacing endangered animals and degrading the environment in the process...must feel weird for you guys to defend him

Who says we like him?

This we can agree on.

 

[Rove!]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

People use to just ignore his links since they were usually posted in botlike manner just to get them on the screen.

However, scrutinizing them has become quite chuckleworthy.

The purpose of the links was to show that Harry Reid has used his position to get wealthy with some real estate dealings where he used his influence to increase the property value, and this is not just a Fox News thing, but across the spectrum. It also shows that these deals get done and land is developed, in spite of the damage to to the environment and the endangered tortoises.

Particualrly egregious, was the deal that fell through where they would have sold a ***** of land to ENN China for a fraction of its value(while Harry and son profit).

It hasn't been shown that this specific plot of land was being purged of cattle for this specific deal with ENN China. However, given the background, I don't know that anybody would be surprised if a Harry Reid land deal was behind it. Proving such a thing is not the work of a Google search or a blog or even an investigative journalist (although they may find certain levels of evidence). It would take a lot to investigative work to sift through all of the layers from those experienced in such matters to develop proof.

 

[timschochet]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

 

[johnjohn]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/culture-of-intimidation-seen-in-nevada-ranch-stand/

subtle threats, such as recent efforts by the Obama administration to raise grazing fees or pressure permit holders to transfer their water rights as a condition of renewal, said Ryan Yates, director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau.

“Some have called it a culture of intimidation,” Mr. Yates said. “It’s issue after issue, threat after threat. It’s becoming harder and harder to keep those operations in business.”

 

[fatness]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

People use to just ignore his links since they were usually posted in botlike manner just to get them on the screen.

However, scrutinizing them has become quite chuckleworthy.

The purpose of the links was to show that Harry Reid has used his position to get wealthy with some real estate dealings where he used his influence to increase the property value, and this is not just a Fox News thing, but across the spectrum. It also shows that these deals get done and land is developed, in spite of the damage to to the environment and the endangered tortoises.

Particualrly egregious, was the deal that fell through where they would have sold a ***** of land to ENN China for a fraction of its value(while Harry and son profit).

It hasn't been shown that this specific plot of land was being purged of cattle for this specific deal with ENN China. However, given the background, I don't know that anybody would be surprised if a Harry Reid land deal was behind it. Proving such a thing is not the work of a Google search or a blog or even an investigative journalist (although they may find certain levels of evidence). It would take a lot to investigative work to sift through all of the layers from those experienced in such matters to develop proof.

The purpose of the links was to direct criticism somewhere besides Bundy, who breaks the law and doesn't pay his bills. You've paid little attention to the links you've posted until called on them and laughed at. Harry Reid became your target because he's always a righty target. He had nothing to do with Bundy's lawbreaking, nonpayment, ranch, and grazing. Neither do any of the other solar farm sites you've brought up. You won't post a map showing how far those projects are from Bundy's ranch because the graphic would expose the foolishness of what you've been posting.

You've thrown 50 balls at a barn and they've all missed.

I anxiously await your next "But what about THIS link?"

 

[fatness]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/culture-of-intimidation-seen-in-nevada-ranch-stand/

From the newspaper that reported finding nuclear weapons in Iraq.

"But what about THIS link?"

 

[fatness]

Bundy imitator

 

[jon_mx]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

While Reid is actually permanently giving away land for personal profit and getting away with it, a citizen is criminalized for letting his cattle eat the grass off of the land. The federal government (and us) should be much more concerned about the former which is real theft than the later which is more of a harmless trespass of land which is currently not being utilized for anything else.

 

[pantagrapher]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

While Reid is actually permanently giving away land for personal profit and getting away with it, a citizen is criminalized for letting his cattle eat the grass off of the land. The federal government (and us) should be much more concerned about the former which is real theft than the later which is more of a harmless trespass of land which is currently not being utilized for anything else.

I'm just going to start claiming land that I determine isn't being utilized for anything else.

 

[Apple Jack]

Big fan of the but what about this link.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

While Reid is actually permanently giving away land for personal profit and getting away with it, a citizen is criminalized for letting his cattle eat the grass off of the land. The federal government (and us) should be much more concerned about the former which is real theft than the later which is more of a harmless trespass of land which is currently not being utilized for anything else.

Reid has done no such thing- he doesn't have authority to divest BLM managed land and there's not a single link anywhere in this thread suggesting he's done so, although you're free to start your own thread on the subject if you wish to explore it since it has nothing to do with this.

Also, what this Bundy notjob is doing is trespass and unwarranted use of federal property. We have grazing laws and collect fees, to do so without authority and not pay fees is basically like coming on to federal land and drilling for private benefit and not paying royalties. He's stealing from all of us, because it's all of our land, not just his to do with as he pleases. Although his worse sin by far is thinking he is above the law and using threats of force and violence to ward off government agents. That makes him a criminal, as well as a piece of #### who puts lives at risk in order to avoid being held accountable for being a trespasser and welsher.

 

[pantagrapher]

Oh my god this interview with Use Women as a Human Shield Guy really captures the paranoid militia hero mindset.

The federal snipers, several of them -- I don't know if you know this -- but they were paid mercenaries. They're contractors. They're paid hit men.

My son and I stood there and watched in reverence at one of the most patriotic moments I've ever been a part of. There was about 500 people, all with tears running down their cheeks, watching these cowboys and cowgirls take these cattle back to their proper place.

One of the reporters from Fox, he was more of a camera man but he had a lot of other capability, he was going around with a camera, and he said, 'There was no question in my mind that they were going to shoot us.'

Most Republicans and Democrats have had the same agenda: to diminish the food supply, to go after farmers and ranchers, put them out of business with impunity.

I mean really, you have to read the whole thing. It really is a bunch of right-wing cosplay morons who have gone off the deep end.

 

[Apple Jack]

Link to evidence that Harry Reid gave away public land for personal profit?

 

[Lutherman2112]

This guy was a classy, honorable rancher:

Idaho loses a cattleman, character, conservationist with the death of Bud Purdy
Leonard "Bud" Purdy ensured that the famed Silver Creek was clear, productive
BY ROCKY BARKER April 16, 2014

Leonard "Bud" Purdy, one of Idaho's most beloved and respected ranchers, died Monday at his home.

Purdy, 96, hunted ducks and skied with Ernest Hemingway. He hosted Jimmy Stewart and Gary Cooper at his Picabo Ranch. He led the ranching industry into rest- and-rotation grazing, a system of moving livestock on and off public grazing lands that protected the range and improved cattle production.

He helped start the Idaho Cattle Association, led the University of Idaho Foundation as president, and was chairman of the Idaho Association of Commerce and Industry. In addition to the ranch, he and his late wife, Ruth, owned the Picabo Store, Picabo Elevator, and Silver Creek Supply, a seed business.

"Bud Purdy was the very embodiment of the Code of the West - someone whose life was a lesson in cowboy ethics, common sense, stewardship, and the value of hard work and perseverance," said Gov. Butch Otter. "I don't know whether Bud was a religious man, but there was nobody with as much faith in his fellow man."

Purdy donated a 3,500-acre conservation easement along Silver Creek in the 1990s to the Nature Conservancy, adjacent to its own Silver Creek Preserve. The easement protected the creek and its environs from future development.

Silver Creek, one of the state's premier trout streams, attracts fly-fishermen from around the world.

Purdy didn't even take the tax break on the land easement, valued at $7 million.

...

Several quotes taken from this film:

Bud Purdy - Idaho Ranching and Conservation Pioneer

 

[Godsbrother]

This guy was a classy, honorable rancher:

Idaho loses a cattleman, character, conservationist with the death of Bud Purdy
Leonard "Bud" Purdy ensured that the famed Silver Creek was clear, productive
BY ROCKY BARKER April 16, 2014

Leonard "Bud" Purdy, one of Idaho's most beloved and respected ranchers, died Monday at his home.

Purdy, 96, hunted ducks and skied with Ernest Hemingway. He hosted Jimmy Stewart and Gary Cooper at his Picabo Ranch. He led the ranching industry into rest- and-rotation grazing, a system of moving livestock on and off public grazing lands that protected the range and improved cattle production.

He helped start the Idaho Cattle Association, led the University of Idaho Foundation as president, and was chairman of the Idaho Association of Commerce and Industry. In addition to the ranch, he and his late wife, Ruth, owned the Picabo Store, Picabo Elevator, and Silver Creek Supply, a seed business.

"Bud Purdy was the very embodiment of the Code of the West - someone whose life was a lesson in cowboy ethics, common sense, stewardship, and the value of hard work and perseverance," said Gov. Butch Otter. "I don't know whether Bud was a religious man, but there was nobody with as much faith in his fellow man."

Purdy donated a 3,500-acre conservation easement along Silver Creek in the 1990s to the Nature Conservancy, adjacent to its own Silver Creek Preserve. The easement protected the creek and its environs from future development.

Silver Creek, one of the state's premier trout streams, attracts fly-fishermen from around the world.

Purdy didn't even take the tax break on the land easement, valued at $7 million.

...

Several quotes taken from this film:

Bud Purdy - Idaho Ranching and Conservation Pioneer

He had a purdy mouf

 

[jon_mx]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

While Reid is actually permanently giving away land for personal profit and getting away with it, a citizen is criminalized for letting his cattle eat the grass off of the land. The federal government (and us) should be much more concerned about the former which is real theft than the later which is more of a harmless trespass of land which is currently not being utilized for anything else.

Reid has done no such thing- he doesn't have authority to divest BLM managed land and there's not a single link anywhere in this thread suggesting he's done so, although you're free to start your own thread on the subject if you wish to explore it since it has nothing to do with this.

Also, what this Bundy notjob is doing is trespass and unwarranted use of federal property. We have grazing laws and collect fees, to do so without authority and not pay fees is basically like coming on to federal land and drilling for private benefit and not paying royalties. He's stealing from all of us, because it's all of our land, not just his to do with as he pleases. Although his worse sin by far is thinking he is above the law and using threats of force and violence to ward off government agents. That makes him a criminal, as well as a piece of #### who puts lives at risk in order to avoid being held accountable for being a trespasser and welsher.

Reid's long time and close aid just became head of BLM. Reid is very much a part of this story.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

While Reid is actually permanently giving away land for personal profit and getting away with it, a citizen is criminalized for letting his cattle eat the grass off of the land. The federal government (and us) should be much more concerned about the former which is real theft than the later which is more of a harmless trespass of land which is currently not being utilized for anything else.

Reid has done no such thing- he doesn't have authority to divest BLM managed land and there's not a single link anywhere in this thread suggesting he's done so, although you're free to start your own thread on the subject if you wish to explore it since it has nothing to do with this.

Also, what this Bundy notjob is doing is trespass and unwarranted use of federal property. We have grazing laws and collect fees, to do so without authority and not pay fees is basically like coming on to federal land and drilling for private benefit and not paying royalties. He's stealing from all of us, because it's all of our land, not just his to do with as he pleases. Although his worse sin by far is thinking he is above the law and using threats of force and violence to ward off government agents. That makes him a criminal, as well as a piece of #### who puts lives at risk in order to avoid being held accountable for being a trespasser and welsher.

Reid's long time and close aid just became head of BLM. Reid is very much a part of this story.

What story is that? Still waiting for a connection. Just because a guy who worked for Reid once now heads the BLM doesn't mean Reid's involved.

Also, "long time and close aide" makes it sounds like they were confidantes for 30 years. He was with Reid for 8 years, left his office 3 years ago, and was a policy aide focusing on public land issues- one of many policy aides. Not that it really matters- that really just raises the level of bull#### you're burying yourself in from neck level to eye level.

 

[SWC]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

 

[Wilfredo Ledezma]

Punschtick has officially jumped the .

 

[Wilfredo Ledezma]

"Prescriptive rights"

i like this ad on that page. too funny. http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/218375173149597188

But while the concept is in my book prescriptive rights and adverse possession is a very real legal concept that actually may apply here depending on the facts. I'm not prepared to spend that much time on this but it could actually be a decent legal defense...

 

[Rove!]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

People use to just ignore his links since they were usually posted in botlike manner just to get them on the screen.

However, scrutinizing them has become quite chuckleworthy.

The purpose of the links was to show that Harry Reid has used his position to get wealthy with some real estate dealings where he used his influence to increase the property value, and this is not just a Fox News thing, but across the spectrum. It also shows that these deals get done and land is developed, in spite of the damage to to the environment and the endangered tortoises.

Particualrly egregious, was the deal that fell through where they would have sold a ***** of land to ENN China for a fraction of its value(while Harry and son profit).

It hasn't been shown that this specific plot of land was being purged of cattle for this specific deal with ENN China. However, given the background, I don't know that anybody would be surprised if a Harry Reid land deal was behind it. Proving such a thing is not the work of a Google search or a blog or even an investigative journalist (although they may find certain levels of evidence). It would take a lot to investigative work to sift through all of the layers from those experienced in such matters to develop proof.

The purpose of the links was to direct criticism somewhere besides Bundy, who breaks the law and doesn't pay his bills. You've paid little attention to the links you've posted until called on them and laughed at. Harry Reid became your target because he's always a righty target. He had nothing to do with Bundy's lawbreaking, nonpayment, ranch, and grazing. Neither do any of the other solar farm sites you've brought up. You won't post a map showing how far those projects are from Bundy's ranch because the graphic would expose the foolishness of what you've been posting.

You've thrown 50 balls at a barn and they've all missed.

I anxiously await your next "But what about THIS link?"

you continue to demonstrate in thread after thread that you don't know what you are talking about...

Tobias knows his stuff, but he's taking the ol' "unless you dot every i, cross every t and derive mathematical proofs, I'm not going to make any obvious inferences" approach - raising the standard of proof/evidence higher than a court of law.

it's clear there's smoke here and it's reasonable to infer that where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[Rove!]

Harry Reid was a lawyer for the casinos for years. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in a bunch of shady deals.

But what that has to do with this topic I can't fathom.

While Reid is actually permanently giving away land for personal profit and getting away with it, a citizen is criminalized for letting his cattle eat the grass off of the land. The federal government (and us) should be much more concerned about the former which is real theft than the later which is more of a harmless trespass of land which is currently not being utilized for anything else.

Reid has done no such thing- he doesn't have authority to divest BLM managed land and there's not a single link anywhere in this thread suggesting he's done so, although you're free to start your own thread on the subject if you wish to explore it since it has nothing to do with this.

Also, what this Bundy notjob is doing is trespass and unwarranted use of federal property. We have grazing laws and collect fees, to do so without authority and not pay fees is basically like coming on to federal land and drilling for private benefit and not paying royalties. He's stealing from all of us, because it's all of our land, not just his to do with as he pleases. Although his worse sin by far is thinking he is above the law and using threats of force and violence to ward off government agents. That makes him a criminal, as well as a piece of #### who puts lives at risk in order to avoid being held accountable for being a trespasser and welsher.

speaking power to truth

 

[jon_mx]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

 

[sn0mm1s]

"Prescriptive rights"

i like this ad on that page. too funny. http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/218375173149597188

But while the concept is in my book prescriptive rights and adverse possession is a very real legal concept that actually may apply here depending on the facts. I'm not prepared to spend that much time on this but it could actually be a decent legal defense...

I don't think so - I am pretty sure that the government (state or federal) is immune to those sorts of claims. Prescriptive rights and adverse possession only deal with privately held land.

 

[timschochet]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

 

[Rove!]

"Prescriptive rights"

i like this ad on that page. too funny. http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/218375173149597188

But while the concept is in my book prescriptive rights and adverse possession is a very real legal concept that actually may apply here depending on the facts. I'm not prepared to spend that much time on this but it could actually be a decent legal defense...

I don't think so - I am pretty sure that the government (state or federal) is immune to those sorts of claims. Prescriptive rights and adverse possession only deal with privately held land.

This is my understanding as well

 

[TobiasFunke]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

People use to just ignore his links since they were usually posted in botlike manner just to get them on the screen.

However, scrutinizing them has become quite chuckleworthy.

The purpose of the links was to show that Harry Reid has used his position to get wealthy with some real estate dealings where he used his influence to increase the property value, and this is not just a Fox News thing, but across the spectrum. It also shows that these deals get done and land is developed, in spite of the damage to to the environment and the endangered tortoises.

Particualrly egregious, was the deal that fell through where they would have sold a ***** of land to ENN China for a fraction of its value(while Harry and son profit).

It hasn't been shown that this specific plot of land was being purged of cattle for this specific deal with ENN China. However, given the background, I don't know that anybody would be surprised if a Harry Reid land deal was behind it. Proving such a thing is not the work of a Google search or a blog or even an investigative journalist (although they may find certain levels of evidence). It would take a lot to investigative work to sift through all of the layers from those experienced in such matters to develop proof.

The purpose of the links was to direct criticism somewhere besides Bundy, who breaks the law and doesn't pay his bills. You've paid little attention to the links you've posted until called on them and laughed at. Harry Reid became your target because he's always a righty target. He had nothing to do with Bundy's lawbreaking, nonpayment, ranch, and grazing. Neither do any of the other solar farm sites you've brought up. You won't post a map showing how far those projects are from Bundy's ranch because the graphic would expose the foolishness of what you've been posting.

You've thrown 50 balls at a barn and they've all missed.

I anxiously await your next "But what about THIS link?"

you continue to demonstrate in thread after thread that you don't know what you are talking about...

Tobias knows his stuff, but he's taking the ol' "unless you dot every i, cross every t and derive mathematical proofs, I'm not going to make any obvious inferences" approach - raising the standard of proof/evidence higher than a court of law.

it's clear there's smoke here and it's reasonable to infer that where there's smoke there's fire.

What's clear is that there are politically motivated right wing nutjobs lighting fires where there are none, then pointing and screaming "look at the smoke!!!!" And the gullible partisan true believers who read and disseminate their nonsense are buying it, because of course they are.

In the real world we actually require some actual substance before we allege conspiracies and coverups and shady motives. Not "dotting every I and crossing every t," just something. Anything. You should join us over here in the real world. It's very comforting when you realize that sometimes a lawbreaking idiot with a gun and some cattle is just a lawbreaking idiot with a gun and some cattle.

 

[jon_mx]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

 

[Rove!]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

People use to just ignore his links since they were usually posted in botlike manner just to get them on the screen.

However, scrutinizing them has become quite chuckleworthy.

The purpose of the links was to show that Harry Reid has used his position to get wealthy with some real estate dealings where he used his influence to increase the property value, and this is not just a Fox News thing, but across the spectrum. It also shows that these deals get done and land is developed, in spite of the damage to to the environment and the endangered tortoises.

Particualrly egregious, was the deal that fell through where they would have sold a ***** of land to ENN China for a fraction of its value(while Harry and son profit).

It hasn't been shown that this specific plot of land was being purged of cattle for this specific deal with ENN China. However, given the background, I don't know that anybody would be surprised if a Harry Reid land deal was behind it. Proving such a thing is not the work of a Google search or a blog or even an investigative journalist (although they may find certain levels of evidence). It would take a lot to investigative work to sift through all of the layers from those experienced in such matters to develop proof.

The purpose of the links was to direct criticism somewhere besides Bundy, who breaks the law and doesn't pay his bills. You've paid little attention to the links you've posted until called on them and laughed at. Harry Reid became your target because he's always a righty target. He had nothing to do with Bundy's lawbreaking, nonpayment, ranch, and grazing. Neither do any of the other solar farm sites you've brought up. You won't post a map showing how far those projects are from Bundy's ranch because the graphic would expose the foolishness of what you've been posting.

You've thrown 50 balls at a barn and they've all missed.

I anxiously await your next "But what about THIS link?"

you continue to demonstrate in thread after thread that you don't know what you are talking about...

Tobias knows his stuff, but he's taking the ol' "unless you dot every i, cross every t and derive mathematical proofs, I'm not going to make any obvious inferences" approach - raising the standard of proof/evidence higher than a court of law.

it's clear there's smoke here and it's reasonable to infer that where there's smoke there's fire.

What's clear is that there are politically motivated right wing nutjobs lighting fires where there are none,

politically motivated right wing nutjobs like the LA Times WaPo and Reuters?

 

[timschochet]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

No that's not good enough. You can't just claim "there is likely an ulterior motive" without any evidence of that motive.

 

[sn0mm1s]

What's clear is that there are politically motivated right wing nutjobs lighting fires where there are none,

politically motivated right wing nutjobs like the LA Times WaPo and Reuters?

Link? Reporting on an issue is a far cry from denouncing the government and sending out a call to arms.

 

[TobiasFunke]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

I think the "alterior motive" is that it's not his land and he hasn't paid for the right to use it. That's it. There's no solar project in the works. There's no reason to believe that Reid has anything to do with anything just because one of this many former aides who worked for him from 2003-2011 is now the deputy director of BLM, especially considering the BLM first went after Bundy in 1998. There's nothing here at all.

 

[Rove!]

What's clear is that there are politically motivated right wing nutjobs lighting fires where there are none,

politically motivated right wing nutjobs like the LA Times WaPo and Reuters?

Link? Reporting on an issue is a far cry from denouncing the government and sending out a call to arms.

I've siad previously that the KooKs are in the wrong for what they are doing, but that does not excuse the KrooKs, who may, very well, have more involvement than what has been proven to date based on past shady dealings (as documented) and treatment of the tortoise issue in the past (as documented)..

 

[jon_mx]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

I think the "alterior motive" is that it's not his land and he hasn't paid for the right to use it. That's it. There's no solar project in the works. There's no reason to believe that Reid has anything to do with anything just because one of this many former aides who worked for him from 2003-2011 is now the deputy director of BLM, especially considering the BLM first went after Bundy in 1998. There's nothing here at all.

He is now Director. Stop the Disinfo please. I may have to ask for a hard delete if you keep bullying me like this.

 

[TheIronSheik]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

I think the "alterior motive" is that it's not his land and he hasn't paid for the right to use it. That's it. There's no solar project in the works. There's no reason to believe that Reid has anything to do with anything just because one of this many former aides who worked for him from 2003-2011 is now the deputy director of BLM, especially considering the BLM first went after Bundy in 1998. There's nothing here at all.

He is now Director. Stop the Disinfo please. I may have to ask for a hard delete if you keep bullying me like this.

 

[TobiasFunke]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

I think the "alterior motive" is that it's not his land and he hasn't paid for the right to use it. That's it. There's no solar project in the works. There's no reason to believe that Reid has anything to do with anything just because one of this many former aides who worked for him from 2003-2011 is now the deputy director of BLM, especially considering the BLM first went after Bundy in 1998. There's nothing here at all.

He is now Director. Stop the Disinfo please. I may have to ask for a hard delete if you keep bullying me like this.

Happy to call it a day on this and move on if you are. There are many more important things about which you can fabricate silly conspiracy theories.

 

[Joe T]

But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

That would be shocking.

 

[jon_mx]

jomx is looking pretty bad brohans he just took a roundhouse of facts to the jaw lets see how he can recover brohans

How is being an aid for 8 years not a long time? I never said 30 years, Tobias somehow came up with long time = 30 years. Thanks for the comments from the peanut gallery.

You wrote "Reid is very much a part of this story." How? Because he knows the head of BLM? That seems really weak IMO.

I am not sure how much bigger he could be. Reid and Kornze have close ties. Both are pushing for agressive policies for solar energy on public land in this area. Maybe it is a best interest of the country, but these issues are very much intertwined. But there is most likely an alterior motive in getting this rancher off these lands besides protecting some turtle.

I think the "alterior motive" is that it's not his land and he hasn't paid for the right to use it. That's it. There's no solar project in the works. There's no reason to believe that Reid has anything to do with anything just because one of this many former aides who worked for him from 2003-2011 is now the deputy director of BLM, especially considering the BLM first went after Bundy in 1998. There's nothing here at all.

He is now Director. Stop the Disinfo please. I may have to ask for a hard delete if you keep bullying me like this.

Happy to call it a day on this and move on if you are. There are many more important things about which you can fabricate silly conspiracy theories.

OK...But do I need to leave the protest area too? Oh well, Vegas is not too far away.

 

[glock]

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Alright so here's the problem with the #BundyRanch narrative... it might be an obscure article that no one cared about in June of 2013, but now it's kind of important. If the company did back out of the Lauglin deal in June then any reference to that project is not valid.
Does that mean that Reid isn't corrupt? No, of course not (see the Washington times article below), but if Reid is involved in the Bundy ranch scandal directly we need to be accurate regarding how he was involved.

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