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[brakeyawself]

Whats up with Morrison this year? Is his value dropping or has he only had two bad games, or is it somthing else? Howard came on strong, is he why Morrison isnt getting tackles?

 

[Islander]

Morrison had 6+3 in week 1 followed by 5+2 in week 2. So 11 tackles 5 assists in two games. That projects to 128 T+A over 16 games.

Based on 2005 final stats, that would put him 10th in the NFL.

I am expecting slightly more than 8 T+A per game (maybe 8.5 to 9.0), but I don't see why you claim he had two "bad" games.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Morrison had 6+3 in week 1 followed by 5+2 in week 2. So 11 tackles 5 assists in two games. That projects to 128 T+A over 16 games. Based on 2005 final stats, that would put him 10th in the NFL. I am expecting slightly more than 8 T+A per game (maybe 8.5 to 9.0), but I don't see why you claim he had two "bad" games.

Agreed, Howard looks good but many of his tackles have been downfield in pursuit and plays the safeties or corners should make. Morrison is being hurt (and Howard helped) a bit by some poor DT play but I'm with Islander. While you'd have liked him to post double digit tackles given the amount of time he's been on the field, his stats aren't terrible right now.

 

[quiksilver]

but many of his tackles have been downfield in pursuit and plays the safeties or corners should make.

I hear this a lot. "Yeah, he's getting lots of tackles but they're all a good distance from the line of scrimmage." So are we supposed to discount those tackles for some reason? Is he likely to lose his job for making tackles that safeties and corners should be making? If anything this is better for an IDP than making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage. Accumulating stats is all about opportunity. If they're making tackles further away from the line of scrimmage, their opponent is that much closer to getting a first down, and three more opportunities for the IDP to make a play. If they're making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage, the offenses drives are more likely to stall, sending the IDP to the sidelines.Unless your league's scoring system weights tackles based on their proximity to the line of scrimmage, I fail to see how this is a negative.

 

[Jene Bramel]

but many of his tackles have been downfield in pursuit and plays the safeties or corners should make.

I hear this a lot. "Yeah, he's getting lots of tackles but they're all a good distance from the line of scrimmage." So are we supposed to discount those tackles for some reason? Is he likely to lose his job for making tackles that safeties and corners should be making? If anything this is better for an IDP than making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage. Accumulating stats is all about opportunity. If they're making tackles further away from the line of scrimmage, their opponent is that much closer to getting a first down, and three more opportunities for the IDP to make a play. If they're making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage, the offenses drives are more likely to stall, sending the IDP to the sidelines.Unless your league's scoring system weights tackles based on their proximity to the line of scrimmage, I fail to see how this is a negative.

It's not necessarily a negative and I didn't suggest that the tackles should be discounted. I call it the Ronald McKinnon Corollary. But it's important to note for a number of reasons. As you suggest, in the short-term it is clearly better for the team (and IDP) in question.But it's absolutely worth noting for the long term. It's up to you to decide whether the player is making all these tackles because the scheme allows him to be the best pursuit player and highlighted playmaker or is the most talented (Keith Bulluck) or if there is an identifiable reason that he is "picking up the scraps".In this case, you should be concerned about the likelihood that Howard continues this pace over the long haul. Michael Huff will take some of these tackles moving forward. And should the Raiders upgrade the defensive tackle unit or corners over the next 12 months, Kirk Morrison (who, by scheme, should be the highest tackler) and the improved corners will take those tackles.If you don't pay attention to why a player who seems to be outpeforming his scheme or surrounding cast, you might end up with a player like Demorrio Williams. If you play in redraft leagues, that's no big deal. But those who either got stuck holding the bag or flipped Williams for top dollar this summer in dynasty leagues know differently. In the case of our hero, Ronald McKinnon, it was some years (and Pat Tillman's presence) before replacement level talent resulted in replacement level stats.

 

[Chaos Commish]

but many of his tackles have been downfield in pursuit and plays the safeties or corners should make.

I hear this a lot. "Yeah, he's getting lots of tackles but they're all a good distance from the line of scrimmage." So are we supposed to discount those tackles for some reason? Is he likely to lose his job for making tackles that safeties and corners should be making? If anything this is better for an IDP than making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage. Accumulating stats is all about opportunity. If they're making tackles further away from the line of scrimmage, their opponent is that much closer to getting a first down, and three more opportunities for the IDP to make a play. If they're making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage, the offenses drives are more likely to stall, sending the IDP to the sidelines.Unless your league's scoring system weights tackles based on their proximity to the line of scrimmage, I fail to see how this is a negative.

It's not necessarily a negative and I didn't suggest that the tackles should be discounted. I call it the Ronald McKinnon Corollary. But it's important to note for a number of reasons. As you suggest, in the short-term it is clearly better for the team (and IDP) in question.But it's absolutely worth noting for the long term. It's up to you to decide whether the player is making all these tackles because the scheme allows him to be the best pursuit player and highlighted playmaker or is the most talented (Keith Bulluck) or if there is an identifiable reason that he is "picking up the scraps".In this case, you should be concerned about the likelihood that Howard continues this pace over the long haul. Michael Huff will take some of these tackles moving forward. And should the Raiders upgrade the defensive tackle unit or corners over the next 12 months, Kirk Morrison (who, by scheme, should be the highest tackler) and the improved corners will take those tackles.If you don't pay attention to why a player who seems to be outpeforming his scheme or surrounding cast, you might end up with a player like Demorrio Williams. If you play in redraft leagues, that's no big deal. But those who either got stuck holding the bag or flipped Williams for top dollar this summer in dynasty leagues know differently. In the case of our hero, Ronald McKinnon, it was some years (and Pat Tillman's presence) before replacement level talent resulted in replacement level stats.

The McKinnon Corollary? Here I thought it was the Foreman Factor. In addition to the fear of better players nabbing the stats from other positions, there exists the possibility of the player being replaced outright. That may seem like an unnecessary point on Howard, a promising rookie, but it is noteworthy if that defense fails to improve.

 

[Sofa King Money]

but many of his tackles have been downfield in pursuit and plays the safeties or corners should make.

I hear this a lot. "Yeah, he's getting lots of tackles but they're all a good distance from the line of scrimmage." So are we supposed to discount those tackles for some reason? Is he likely to lose his job for making tackles that safeties and corners should be making? If anything this is better for an IDP than making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage. Accumulating stats is all about opportunity. If they're making tackles further away from the line of scrimmage, their opponent is that much closer to getting a first down, and three more opportunities for the IDP to make a play. If they're making all their tackles near the line of scrimmage, the offenses drives are more likely to stall, sending the IDP to the sidelines.

Unless your league's scoring system weights tackles based on their proximity to the line of scrimmage, I fail to see how this is a negative.

It's not necessarily a negative and I didn't suggest that the tackles should be discounted. I call it the Ronald McKinnon Corollary. But it's important to note for a number of reasons. As you suggest, in the short-term it is clearly better for the team (and IDP) in question.But it's absolutely worth noting for the long term. It's up to you to decide whether the player is making all these tackles because the scheme allows him to be the best pursuit player and highlighted playmaker or is the most talented (Keith Bulluck) or if there is an identifiable reason that he is "picking up the scraps".

In this case, you should be concerned about the likelihood that Howard continues this pace over the long haul. Michael Huff will take some of these tackles moving forward. And should the Raiders upgrade the defensive tackle unit or corners over the next 12 months, Kirk Morrison (who, by scheme, should be the highest tackler) and the improved corners will take those tackles.

If you don't pay attention to why a player who seems to be outpeforming his scheme or surrounding cast, you might end up with a player like Demorrio Williams. If you play in redraft leagues, that's no big deal. But those who either got stuck holding the bag or flipped Williams for top dollar this summer in dynasty leagues know differently.

In the case of our hero, Ronald McKinnon, it was some years (and Pat Tillman's presence) before replacement level talent resulted in replacement level stats.

It's nice to see Tillman's name mentioned in a real thread about football...without any political/social reference. I miss the days when he was tearing up the field in the Pac 10 at ASU and then making an impact for his howntown team despite the doubters he'd succeed in the NFL. The world's a smaller place without him & his bretheren...end of story/thread-steal.