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Raiders sign Culpepper (1 Viewer)

Reason #27,429 to avoid the Raiders offense at all costs. McKown + Culpepper + Russell (eventually) = Big fat mess.

 
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Brutis said:
Chaka said:
Reason #27,429 to avoid the Raiders offense at all costs. McKown + Culpepper + Russell (eventually) = Big fat mess.
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EVERYONE has value, teams turn it around quick today. I wouldnt be so quick to bury them.
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Late in my draft I will consider drafting their punter. He is going to be handling the ball so much he is bound to score 7 TDs by accident.
 
Brutis said:
EVERYONE has value, teams turn it around quick today. I wouldnt be so quick to bury them.
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I would.OK - I admit I considered if nothing else falls and I'm dead broke maybe taking Curry as WR4 or Jordan as RB4.
 
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I'm an unabashed Culpepper supporter, and thought this was a bad fit b/c of Russell. But it looks like the Russell contract negotiations are going nowhere fast and Culpepper now becomes an interesting late round fantasy option. I would love to roster him as my QB3 in deeper leagues, but someone is probably going to race to grab him way too early for it to matter in terms of my draft strategy. :thumbup:

 
KFFL reporting

Raiders | Culpepper agrees to terms

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:10:34 -0700

The NFL Network reports the Oakland Raiders have agreed to terms with QB Daunte Culpepper (Dolphins) after he passed a physical with the team.

Wonder what the deal is.

 
I am not a Raider fan, but Culpepper, if healthy, which I think he is now finally, will add value to this team. He's definitely the starter regardless of Russell, Porter should be creeping up the draft boards shortly. This also helps their running game.

 
spacevan said:
I am not a Raider fan, but Culpepper, if healthy, which I think he is now finally, will add value to this team. He's definitely the starter regardless of Russell, Porter should be creeping up the draft boards shortly. This also helps their running game.
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How do you know he is definitely the starter?
 
spacevan said:
I am not a Raider fan, but Culpepper, if healthy, which I think he is now finally, will add value to this team. He's definitely the starter regardless of Russell, Porter should be creeping up the draft boards shortly. This also helps their running game.
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I think everyone is forgetting Josh McCown and I think that is a mistake. He has the most mobility of the three, is the only one who knows the offense and he performed well in a dismal situation in Arizona. He has talent and he is entering his sixth year in the NFL, if the game is going to slow down for him it's now or never and I think the Raiders are going to give him the opportunity to open the season and prove it's now.If he falters Culpepper will get his shot, if he grabs the reins he may hold off Russell for the regular season. If they go 4-9 you can expect Russell to get his shot.Factor in a new coach, who I am very high on btw but he is the youngest coach in the league and does not even have that much experience as a college coordinator let alone an NFL head coach. I remember when Mike Shula was in Cinci and during a game was chewing out the defense and, I think it was Steve Tovar maybe not, put his hand on Shula's head and messed up his hair. DURING A GAME!!! So Kiffin needs to prove to the team that he is the man and that may not prove easy.Do some of the Raiders have upside? Sure, everyone has upside but lots of players have late round upside in more secure situations.
 
I think McCown or Walter will be cut soon..The odd man out is probably J McCown :goodposting:

 
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omally said:
spacevan said:
I am not a Raider fan, but Culpepper, if healthy, which I think he is now finally, will add value to this team. He's definitely the starter regardless of Russell, Porter should be creeping up the draft boards shortly. This also helps their running game.
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How do you know he is definitely the starter?
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Nobody does. BUT, IMO Mcown or Walter dont have a chance of beating out a healthy Cpep. Obviously Russell is the future but its not at all uncommon for a rookie QB to sit a year and learn. Ofcourse if the raiders start out 1-9 then all bets are off, might as well throw the rookie in.
 
Chaka said:
OCC said:
Value. :lmao:
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Value = letting people waste picks on guys like Jordan, Rhodes, Russell, Culpepper, McKown, Curry while I draft guys who might actually do something this season, like Michael Vick.
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I dont see what the problem is on drafting Cpep in a redraft or dynasty. He will be picked around the same time your looking for your 2nd defense. Dont see the big risk with the pick? :rolleyes:
 
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I think its solid. Obviously Russell is the long term goal. Bring in a pro like Daunte to show him the ropes. McCowan is there to get things rolling. As long as they didn't spend tooo much on Daunte and as long as he is willing to be a part of rebuilding and starting Russell's career I think it's a good situation for everyone. I do feel bad for Daunte, but he is getting older and hasn't been successful lately so why not be a part of something new and potentially good?

 
jagermeisters said:
I do feel bad for Daunte, but he is getting older and hasn't been successful lately so why not be a part of something new and potentially good?
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Isnt he younger than Peyton? I think Cpep is around 30 which is pretty young for a QB. The key for him is to win the starting job, show he's healthy to the league and then after his one year deal is up hand the reigns over to Jamarcuss and there will opportunities for him.
 
Brutis said:
jagermeisters said:
I do feel bad for Daunte, but he is getting older and hasn't been successful lately so why not be a part of something new and potentially good?
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Isnt he younger than Peyton? I think Cpep is around 30 which is pretty young for a QB. The key for him is to win the starting job, show he's healthy to the league and then after his one year deal is up hand the reigns over to Jamarcuss and there will opportunities for him.
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yes he is 30
 
Neither Walter or McCown have proven anything in the NFL and yes Daunte has had a couple of subpar seasons, but they were both shorten due to his severe injury in '05.

If Daunte shows any resemblance of what he is really capable of it's his job imo.

 
It's a good move for Oakland. Culpepper is better than what they have right now. Fantasy wise, I see zero players on offense that will be worth starting every week unless you're in a very deep league.

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
I like this move for Oakland. Come on; it's the Raiders. Culpepper can't make this team better than it was before he signed?
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Miami + Culpepper was not better. One more year to heal...yeah yeah. But maybe he was healed, he said he was, maybe thats the best he can do now.Be careful what you wish for.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
BigSteelThrill said:
:confused: Not what I wanted to hear. Went from some exciting possibilities to meh.
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i agree. :thumbup:
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I agree as well. The implications are saddening to me. So Jamarcus is the next coming of Elway? Pay him then. WTF Al? Just sue him later if he doesn't perform. :thumbup: CM and DC are both on for one year. So you keep Jamarcus from learning the offense as it is being implimented to save a few bucks? Shoot, it took Walsh and Montana a couple years to get on the same page. Every snap lost, potential lesson learning experience lost (by JR and Kiffin together) is huge IMO. If the reasoning is that you want the guy to start next year and learn the ropes of the NFL, how is he going to progress this year if he gets a week or two of training camp (at 10% of the snaps with the 2nd/3rd team) and then holds a clipboard all or most of the year? He won't progress and the team won't either (long term). Then next year we go through the growing pains as a team and franchise that we should have this year? I do like CP and I would have liked this move 3 months ago and then they traded the number one and took AP or shoot even Lynch later in the draft for a cheaper contract. To do it now, just creates a distraction and sends a message of WTF to the team. I am :thumbup: and pissed off that this just signifies more disorginization in a franchise that seemed to be making alot of good moves this off season.Please, MassRaider, BustedKnuckles. RadBalls,DaRaider, someone talk me off this ledge.
 
Jason Wood said:
I'm an unabashed Culpepper supporter, and thought this was a bad fit b/c of Russell. But it looks like the Russell contract negotiations are going nowhere fast and Culpepper now becomes an interesting late round fantasy option. I would love to roster him as my QB3 in deeper leagues, but someone is probably going to race to grab him way too early for it to matter in terms of my draft strategy. :confused:
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I never understood why Culpepper was washed up. He's younger then Manning. He has amazing numbers for a QB. If Moss/Cpepp had stayed with the Vikings, Culpepper might be well on his way to the HOF. 39 tds and 11 ints? Are you kidding me? Toss in his QB rating, completion %, rushing TDs, Culpepper was an absolute dominating QB for 4 years.Fully healthy, he's a very accurate QB, very strong arm, can read defenses, make plays with his feet. Maybe he's a little bit of a system QB, but in the right system he's an elite QB. Not everyone in a good system starts tossing 39 TDs and 69% completion percentage. The only question is has he mentally checked out. I fail to see how we can judge that. His knee was destroyed. He came back too early. He was on a Vikings team that was imploding. On a good team, with some weapons, he's easily a top 15 QB, probably top 10. The Raiders are not exactly the idea situation, but a good year, he moves onto a better starting gig and could be great value in the long term. From 2000 to 2004, he was the best FF QB in the league. Yes better then Peyton Manning. He was the #1 QB 4 out of 5 years. Culpepper was beast. Okay Culpepper rant over.
 
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ericttspikes said:
He was sacked 21 times in 4 games last year, which is amazing. Oakland seems like a horrible fit for the guy.
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Which gets back to point that I was trying to make in my jest:I could just be a disgruntled Miami fan, and I am too lazy to do the research because he is so far down on my draft sheet that I wont bother, but when and where was he good since losing Moss? I remember being amazed at his ability to throw off would be tacklers to create time for someone to get deep, but 21 sacks in 4 games is pretty abysmal. Now I will be the first to admit that the Miami line he played behind last year was the worst he has ever had, but eluding tackles was one of his major strengths.Like I said before, maybe he was not fully healed, but maybe he was. He said he was, and if he really was I have pretty low expectations.
 
If Culpepper is reasonably healthy he will start for the team. Russell is still the long term plan, and now there is no rush to sign him or bring him along quickly. Kiffin seems to be a huge believer in setting up competition between players, and this demonstrates that belief. This is a move that I didn't expect, but the more I think about it, it's not a bad one.

 
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He was sacked 21 times in 4 games last year, which is amazing. Oakland seems like a horrible fit for the guy.
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Sacks + fumbles+ INT's= Pepper in Oakland, I don't see him holding on to the starting job, over any other qb on the raiders team. NFL players all reach the end of their careers at different times, Pepper can't run or will not run any more to keep D's honest, doesn't have a YOUNG Moss or even an old MOSS to throw to, one of the worst o-lines in the NFL in Oakland. He has to learn a new system, I say the odds are against him to have a good year.
 
What will really make this interesting is what will happen if CPEP finds himself again and owns that starting QB position in Oakland. They would have to resign him and that would leave top pick Jamarcus Russell on the outside looking in.

Russell should be pretty motivated to get into camp by this signing.

 
a_rackowski said:
What will really make this interesting is what will happen if CPEP finds himself again and owns that starting QB position in Oakland. They would have to resign him and that would leave top pick Jamarcus Russell on the outside looking in. Russell should be pretty motivated to get into camp by this signing.
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I think his huge contract is motivating him more, like i said earlier, Not all rookie qb's come in and start immediately.
 
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