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Bob Magaw

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to recap

1 - jeff fisher HC (les snead GM)

2 - trading the 1.2 for three 1sts ('12-'13-'14) & a 2nd ('12)

3 - impact signing on first day of free agency in former TEN pro bowl CB cortland finnegan

* also cut aging and/or ineffective detritus from the roster

 
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How do Rams homers feel about Bradford in '12?

Any FA WR rumors?

 
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I love what they are doing as an NFL team but Fisher isn't exactly a fantasy football boon for players. That said, I think you'll see stability over there which this team needs.

 
first round pick is a lock to be Blackman Right?
the consensus seems to be the first three picks (to IND, WAS & MIN) will be luck, RG3 & kalil...so the rams could take whoever is left over between blackmon, richardson & claiborn (depending what CLE & TB do, and there could be more trades)... all three would address needs... with finnegan now in the fold, claiborn would help make a dynamic CB duo, the best the team would have had a in a long, long time... and fisher seems like a defensie-minded coach... he also likes to run the ball... richardson might be best RB since peterson, and jackson has a lot of mileage on the tires... fisher might see a bit of eddie george in him... if blackmon lands in their lap, i have heard they liked him even before running the blistering 40 time at the combine... maybe a darkhorse is the OT (reiff?) from iowa...the rams could also possibly trade down... with the sixth overall pick & two high seconds this year, and two firsts in the next two years, they can exert a lot of control in the next three drafts, and will have the ability to move up or down where the value on their board leads them... they could flip one of the firsts next year for a lower first this year... or trade one of the seconds this year for a first next year?* the rams may not get lloyd back, who wants to explore the market and could be reunited with mcdaniels in NE... they were thought to want to make a play for garcon, so they know they need WR help... they made a lot of cuts on mon (notably starting center jason brown and starting CB ron bartell), to go from just $10 mil to $30 mil under the cap (some of which they spent on finnegan)... salas showed flashes of promise towards the end of last year... not sure about status of clayton, who has shown good chemistry with bradford at times, but has also been hurt... the rams signed him to a one year deal last year...
 
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not a done deal so no link yet, but the rams could be poised to sign possibly soon to be ex-titan DT jason jones...

this would give a decidely TEN theme to the first few days of free agency in the wake of the finnegan signing... not a surprise that fisher would want to bring in his kind of players, and that players would enjoy a comfort zone with former coach...

if this transpires, st. louis will be off to an outstanding start in free agency... long, quinn and jones could help comprise a promising young DL...

 
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I really love what the rams have done this offseason. I don't see the major win improvement they had 2 years back (from 1 to 7 wins I believe). But what they've done should give them more of a long term build rather then quick build and quick fall. I like them to win 6 games this year, and 8-9 the year after. However, if Peyton goes to Arizona, thats gonna be a tough division with Arizona and SF, and it might take them a lot to be a top of the div.

Blackmon seems like a no brainer now. Lloyd isn't staying, Claiborne isn't slipping, and Finnegan is signed. Great D, need those offensive weapons.

 
to recap1 - jeff fisher HC (les snead GM)2 - trading the 1.2 for three 1sts ('12-'13-'14) & a 2nd ('12)3 - impact signing on first day of free agency in former TEN pro bowl CB cortland finnegan* also cut aging and/or ineffective detritus from the roster
:thumbup: :thumbup: couldn't be happier right now.
 
I really wish the Rams would ink the reported Jones deal. every minute they wait is another chance for another team to swoop. Jones is young, versitile and a very good player that fills multiple needs for the Rams. No brianer.

 
I really love what the rams have done this offseason. I don't see the major win improvement they had 2 years back (from 1 to 7 wins I believe). But what they've done should give them more of a long term build rather then quick build and quick fall. I like them to win 6 games this year, and 8-9 the year after. However, if Peyton goes to Arizona, thats gonna be a tough division with Arizona and SF, and it might take them a lot to be a top of the div.Blackmon seems like a no brainer now. Lloyd isn't staying, Claiborne isn't slipping, and Finnegan is signed. Great D, need those offensive weapons.
It's interesting to watch the NFC West turning things around. The Rams' record 2 years back was a mirage, and didn't leave me feeling as good about the team as this offseason has. Fisher's added credibility to the franchise in that he draws players to him. Purging the roster was a necessary evil, and we're in great cap shape. From TST's report on Fisher's press conference: "The Rams tried to get Robert Meachem and Pierre Garcon to Rams Park for a visit late on Tuesday night." That didn't work out. I was hoping we'd find a way to land Meachem, but I don't think the price was right, and certainly not for Stonehands Garcon. I'm not entirely sold on Manningham out of the remaining FA's, so if we don't land a FA WR, I'm not too upset. We have all those wonderful picks. I'd rather shell out FA money for Jones and Winston than another inconsistent receiver. Regarding the draft, with SJax on his last wheels--and no talented depth behind him--it'd be sorely tempting to choose him over Blackmon. He also fits Fisher's style. I know it's easier to find RBs late in the draft, but Richardson's a hell of a talent.
 
if the rams turn things around in a few years, i think we will point towards the acquisition of fisher as the organizational turning point... he should be easily the rams best HC since vermiel... i like the fact that his teams have been known for toughness, which is obviously critically important in the NFL...

i think only three NFL coaches have had longer tenure with one team (he was 15+ with titans?), and they are in the Hall of Fame...

 
if the rams turn things around in a few years, i think we will point towards the acquisition of fisher as the organizational turning point... he should be easily the rams best HC since vermiel... i like the fact that his teams have been known for toughness, which is obviously critically important in the NFL...i think only three NFL coaches have had longer tenure with one team (he was 15+ with titans?), and they are in the Hall of Fame...
Let's not forget that Fisher had to waste 5 of those years trying to teach Vince Young how to be an NFL QB.
 
bernie miklasz on the rams quest for a WR (and other matters germane to the state of the rams in general and free agency in particular)...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/bernie-bytes-the-rams-quest-for-a-wr/article_e60fd7ce-6de0-11e1-8d9b-001a4bcf6878.html

Question of the Day: will the Rams ever find, or hire, an elite wide receiver?

* I like the Rams' expensive signing of cornerback Cortland Finnegan. I really do. Pro Football Focus had him rated as the third-best CB in the league last season -- sixth against the pass, and second against the run. And he played more snaps than any corner in the NFL last season, a big plus for a team that had CBs dropping with injuries throughout 2011. Finnegan can cover outside, in the slot, is an aggressive tackler and plays with an edge that borders on psycho. He'll help coach Jeff Fisher re-set the Rams' mindset and make the defense more tenacious. And the Rams had an urgent need at corner.

* I'm chuckling at the people who are mewling over Finnegan's rep as a so-called "dirty" player. No. 1, I didn't realize this was badminton. I thought it was football. No. 2, you can have the Four Pillars and a 10-38 record if that gets you aroused. Seeing that this is a violent, hard-hitting contact sport, nastiness is a virtue. I don't think the Rams coveted Finnegan so they can win a chess championship.

* Did the Rams overpay Finnegan? Of course they did. But if you've paid any attention to free agency -- at all -- you already knew how this works. The teams that aggressively pursue the top players on the first day of free agency always overpay. So to gripe about the Rams' giving too much loot to Finnegan would be like moving to St. Louis and whining that it's too hot in the summertime.

* And if the Rams complete a free-agent deal with DT Jason Jones, chances are they'll be overpaying him, too. But I'd prefer to give the money to a young player with a considerable upside. Jones won't be 26 until May. Last season he was miscast as a defensive end in Tennessee. What he should provide is an inside pass rush. DTs that can press the pocket aren't easy to find. In 2010, playing DT for Fisher in Tennessee, Jones had 3.5 sacks, 6.5 QB knockdowns and 7 QB pressures. He had nine sacks (overall) in 2008 and 2009, with about 20 knockdowns-hurries.

* And now that we've dispensed the worthy praise, it's time to take a look at a longstanding personnel concern/issue at Rams Park, scratch our heads and wonder if the Rams have a plan to upgrade at wide receiver. This has been a chronic problem, going back to the Jay Zygmunt and Scott Linehan days. The Rams won a Super Bowl with a couple of potential Hall of Fame receivers in Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt but have essentially ignored the position since the two legends slowed down and retired.

* Fewer than 10 players officially changed teams on the first day of free agency, and four were wideouts: Vincent Jackson went to Tampa Bay for an immense pile of money; Robert Meachem signed with San Diego; Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan headed to Washington. That total would increase to five if Eddie Royal finalizes a deal in Washington. Several NFL wide receivers -- Marques Colston, Stevie Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Harry Douglass -- re-signed with their current teams and never entered the market. And Miami traded WR Brandon Marshall to Chicago for two third-round draft choices -- even as Marshall stands accused of punching a woman outside of a club in New York.

* So in the opening 24 hours of the shopping expedition, the Rams didn't make a move to find a playmaker for quarterback Sam Bradford. There isn't much left on the shelves, unless you think that Mario Manningham can make a dramatic difference here. Or, unless you want to see the Rams beg Brandon Lloyd to come back, and wildly overpay him to do so. Lloyd doesn't seem to have much interest in being a Ram. That would likely be the same with Laurent Robinson, who was rarely healthy here. And Robinson is next in the free-agent line to get overpaid.

* If you want to look at these receivers on a case-by-case basis, it's never as simple as it appears:

-- Jackson obviously would have helped the Rams; he's a major talent. But Jackson also has two DUIs and would be in serious trouble with the league if he runs afoul of the law. That didn't stop Tampa Bay from risking $55 million on Jackson. And even if the Rams wanted to make a run at Jackson, Tampa Bay was in better shape to overpay. The Bucs are in spectacular shape on the salary cap and had money to burn. Now that he got paid, will Jackson go soft? Again, I think that's a fair question.

-- Garcon is a second-level wideout, surely better than any WR that works in St. Louis, but the Redskins seem to have payed him top-tier money. His deal was worth $42.5 million.

-- I am intrigued by the Morgan signing; the Redskins reportedly got him for two years at $12 million. He has size (6-1) and speed. He had demonstrated vertical-play ability in San Francisco. And Morgan never played with an elite QB there. Sure, injuries have been an issue. But it's not as if the Redskins broke the bank to sign him.

-- I liked Meachem; he has something that the Rams lack: vertical speed. But it's also legit to ask if he could be the No. 1 receiver. He was a complementary receiver (and a good one) in New Orleans. With all of the weapons the Chargers have on offense, this is a great fit for him. He may have had a hard time in STL because of the Rams' unimposing group of receivers. (At least as it stands right now.)

-- Sorry, but I don't think Eddie Royal is a game changer.

* However, before we go completely bananas and shred the Rams for not signing any wideouts, it's probably good to ponder a few things. For example, Morgan was born and raised in the D.C. area. Is it unusual that he wanted to go home? You see, in our snap-reaction anger and frustration, we all make the mistake of assuming that a free agent wants to play for the Rams. And if you want to be honest about this, what do the Rams really have to offer other than money and some fresh optimism after Fisher's hiring? This team has been the worst in the league for a long time, it plays in a sterile and dull stadium, and the ongoing lease debate threatens to further damage the team's popularity. Moreover if you are a wide receiver, you'd probably ask these questions: is Jeff Fisher going to throw the ball? Aren't the Rams going to be a running team? And who knows if Vincent Jackson would have even taken the Rams' phone call? Maybe Tampa Bay and sunny Florida weather looks pretty good for a receiver accustomed to playing in San Diego.

* And as a general business practice you can't sign No. 2 or No. 3 receivers and pay them No. 1 money. That's a bad investment. Those No. 2s and No. 3s are better than what the Rams have, but how far do you go to sign them? It's an interesting question. But free-agent history tells us that some of the worst mistakes have been made by teams overpaying WRs in the hope that they'll become something more, something better, than they really are.

-- So, yeah, it's possible to pick through this and see the problems related to these wideouts. But that doesn't change the big picture: somehow, some way, the Rams have to come up with an elite receiver for Bradford. At some point, this must become a priority. Maybe the Redskins will regret spending the money on Garcon and Morgan; I don't know. But after giving those premium picks to St. Louis for the right to draft QB Robert Griffin 3, at least the Redskins determined that it was a good idea to get him some receivers. And perhaps the Rams will get around to doing the same for Bradford.

* Since 2007, the Rams are 15-65 and they have thrown the fewest number of TD passes (69) in the league over that five-season period. But hey, that's only 106 fewer TD passes than New England and New Orleans, and 101 less than Green Bay.

* The Rams have pretty much neglected the position since Holt and Bruce began to fade. Their most significant investment of a draft choice was using a No. 2 on Donnie Avery, who never lived up to his initial promise, mostly because of injuries. The most prominent free-agent investment came in 2007, when the Rams invested $30 million in Drew Bennett, a wideout that started one game and caught 34 passes in two dreadful seasons in St. Louis.

* The new regime at Rams Park shouldn't be blamed for the mistakes made in the past. Fisher and GM Les Snead have to be given time to set a course, and the trade with Washington was a great start. The Finnegan signing made perfect sense. But if the organization remains ambivalent over the WR position, it wouldn't make sense, given the $50 million in guaranteed money the Rams have invested in Bradford. At some point, you have to get him a couple of wide receivers that can consistently outrun defenders, get open, and catch the ball. An impact player.

* I spoke with Fisher today, and without going into specifics, he indicated that the Rams weren't on board with spending the large sums of money required to sign some of the WRs that went quickly yesterday. Fisher expressed enthusiasm over the number of appealing receivers available in the draft, and said the Rams are open to the option of moving up, or moving down, in the draft to land a coveted player. He didn't rule out trading for a veteran receiver should the wideout become available.

* I asked Fisher if the free-agent miss means the Rams are more inclined to grab Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon. Fisher said the Rams have been doing their work on Blackmon, and called Blackmon an impressive prospect. But Fisher downplayed the Rams' interest, which is understandable. No one knows if Blackmon will fall to the Rams' spot at No. 6 overall. And if the Rams are inclined to trade up to get Blackmon, it would be silly for Fisher to drive up the price in advance by raving about Blackmon in media interviews.

* Fisher clearly wanted to get the message across: the Rams realize they need receivers, and they will get them.

We'll see.

Thanks for reading ...

-Bernie

 
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* I spoke with Fisher today, and without going into specifics, he indicated that the Rams weren't on board with spending the large sums of money required to sign some of the WRs that went quickly yesterday. Fisher expressed enthusiasm over the number of appealing receivers available in the draft, and said the Rams are open to the option of moving up, or moving down, in the draft to land a coveted player. He didn't rule out trading for a veteran receiver should the wideout become available.* I asked Fisher if the free-agent miss means the Rams are more inclined to grab Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon. Fisher said the Rams have been doing their work on Blackmon, and called Blackmon an impressive prospect. But Fisher downplayed the Rams' interest, which is understandable. No one knows if Blackmon will fall to the Rams' spot at No. 6 overall. And if the Rams are inclined to trade up to get Blackmon, it would be silly for Fisher to drive up the price in advance by raving about Blackmon in media interviews.* Fisher clearly wanted to get the message across: the Rams realize they need receivers, and they will get them.
Maybe I'm biased since I expect them to draft Blackmon, but reading between the lines it sound like Fisher would take Blackmon if he's there.
 
reports that WRs steve smith had a visit (including physical) and manningham was expected to...

manningham is talented (if inconsistent at times) and intriguing if not looking for a massive contract... he would make a good #2, complementary WR... if blackmon falls to 1.6, that would be a big upgrade in talent over what they have fielded in recent years (since holt & bruce in their prime)...

smith had a 100+ reception, pro bowl season a few years ago... if he were to come even most of the way back from his knee injury (but now cut by giants and eagles in successive years?), he could also play a role... before the injury, he had underrated speed (former prep sprinter, one of fastest in state of CA?) and excellent route running skills)... given his availability, maybe we should infer that it will be an uphill battle for him to ever regain even some approximation of his previous form...

* if they can upgrade through free agency AND the draft (but at the expense of only one pick in terms of draft capital), that could quickly turn around the positional talent that has languished for the past half decade or so (maybe not coincidentally, overalapping and coinciding with one of the most heinous half decade stretches in professional sports ((not just football :) )) history) in just a little over a month... to the point that clayton (if re-signed) would go from the most talented WR on the roster to the third best...

 
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'cstu said:
* I spoke with Fisher today, and without going into specifics, he indicated that the Rams weren't on board with spending the large sums of money required to sign some of the WRs that went quickly yesterday. Fisher expressed enthusiasm over the number of appealing receivers available in the draft, and said the Rams are open to the option of moving up, or moving down, in the draft to land a coveted player. He didn't rule out trading for a veteran receiver should the wideout become available.* I asked Fisher if the free-agent miss means the Rams are more inclined to grab Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon. Fisher said the Rams have been doing their work on Blackmon, and called Blackmon an impressive prospect. But Fisher downplayed the Rams' interest, which is understandable. No one knows if Blackmon will fall to the Rams' spot at No. 6 overall. And if the Rams are inclined to trade up to get Blackmon, it would be silly for Fisher to drive up the price in advance by raving about Blackmon in media interviews.* Fisher clearly wanted to get the message across: the Rams realize they need receivers, and they will get them.
Maybe I'm biased since I expect them to draft Blackmon, but reading between the lines it sound like Fisher would take Blackmon if he's there.
rumors floating that the rams will trade #1 and #2 to the Vikings to draft Blackmon.
 
Let the NFL draft smokescreens begin:

Draft tip sheet: Vikings reportedly not sold on Trojans OT Kalil at No. 3 slot

Excerpt:

With the top two picks in the draft pretty well set, quarterbacks Andrew Luck of Stanford and Baylor's Robert Griffin III in some order, it's been pretty popular in most circles to assume that Minnesota, with the third overall choice, will pounce on Southern Cal left offensive tackle Matt Kalil.

Such a move certainly would bolster the blindside protection of young starting quarterback Christian Ponder, but also allow the Vikings to move Charles Johnson inside to left guard, probably his better position, as the replacement for Steve Hutchinson, who was released earlier this week.

But a Vikings official insisted to The Sports Xchange that no decision has been made, and that there is still considerable debate about the No. 3 slot.

Although the official didn't acknowledge it, some of the debate is thought to focus on the team's crying need at cornerback, and the viability of LSU's Morris Claiborne in the No. 3 spot. Minnesota ranked No. 26 in defense versus the pass in 2011, and its eight interceptions tied for the league low.

The corner-needy Vikings used eight different starters, and seven different starting combinations, at the position. The team has five cornerbacks on its roster and, after the aging and increasingly brittle Antoine Winfield (158 starts), only Allen Asher (21) has more than eight regular-season starts.

Of course, with Washington dealing up to the second overall spot in the recent blockbuster trade, Minnesota's third slot could be in play now, although it's believed the Vikings haven't had any substantive inquiries yet about it. None are likely to come until closer to the draft.

"But some people here love (Claiborne)," the official said. "I mean really love him."

After a four-year absence from the top 10, there has been a cornerback chosen among the top 10 guys off the board the past two years. Whether he goes to the Vikings or someone else, Claiborne will extend the streak to two months.

Claiborne is regarded as the most natural corner in the draft. Although he ran in the 4.45-4.52 range at the combine, he plays even faster, and is maybe more technically sound than Patrick Peterson, the former LSU cornerback chosen by Arizona last year as the fifth overall pick. It will be interesting to see if Claiborne runs the 40 at LSU's pro day on March 22.

There figures to be a strong Vikings contingent in attendance, as there was at the campus workout for Oklahoma State junior wide receiver Justin Blackmon. He met immediately after his workout with coach Leslie Frazier and officials from the team, the first of many scheduled appointments on his tour of NFL facilities in the next six weeks.
 
'cstu said:
* I spoke with Fisher today, and without going into specifics, he indicated that the Rams weren't on board with spending the large sums of money required to sign some of the WRs that went quickly yesterday. Fisher expressed enthusiasm over the number of appealing receivers available in the draft, and said the Rams are open to the option of moving up, or moving down, in the draft to land a coveted player. He didn't rule out trading for a veteran receiver should the wideout become available.* I asked Fisher if the free-agent miss means the Rams are more inclined to grab Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon. Fisher said the Rams have been doing their work on Blackmon, and called Blackmon an impressive prospect. But Fisher downplayed the Rams' interest, which is understandable. No one knows if Blackmon will fall to the Rams' spot at No. 6 overall. And if the Rams are inclined to trade up to get Blackmon, it would be silly for Fisher to drive up the price in advance by raving about Blackmon in media interviews.* Fisher clearly wanted to get the message across: the Rams realize they need receivers, and they will get them.
Maybe I'm biased since I expect them to draft Blackmon, but reading between the lines it sound like Fisher would take Blackmon if he's there.
rumors floating that the rams will trade #1 and #2 to the Vikings to draft Blackmon.
Where are you hearing this? Local radio? I would be very happy with the Rams as his landing spot.
 
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With this bounty, I'd pay to be the STL GM...Blackmon isn't in the AJ, JJ, CJ class so no trade up should be done. Rather trade back, get more picks this year, ideally another 1 next year, and try to get Floyd in the middle of rd 1.

 
'cstu said:
* I spoke with Fisher today, and without going into specifics, he indicated that the Rams weren't on board with spending the large sums of money required to sign some of the WRs that went quickly yesterday. Fisher expressed enthusiasm over the number of appealing receivers available in the draft, and said the Rams are open to the option of moving up, or moving down, in the draft to land a coveted player. He didn't rule out trading for a veteran receiver should the wideout become available.* I asked Fisher if the free-agent miss means the Rams are more inclined to grab Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon. Fisher said the Rams have been doing their work on Blackmon, and called Blackmon an impressive prospect. But Fisher downplayed the Rams' interest, which is understandable. No one knows if Blackmon will fall to the Rams' spot at No. 6 overall. And if the Rams are inclined to trade up to get Blackmon, it would be silly for Fisher to drive up the price in advance by raving about Blackmon in media interviews.* Fisher clearly wanted to get the message across: the Rams realize they need receivers, and they will get them.
Maybe I'm biased since I expect them to draft Blackmon, but reading between the lines it sound like Fisher would take Blackmon if he's there.
rumors floating that the rams will trade #1 and #2 to the Vikings to draft Blackmon.
Isn't this the second topic where you've floated this? Where have you heard it? As stated in the other thread, such a trade would make very little sense.
 
i would say there is virtually no chance of the rams flipping their first two picks to move up three spots, when blackmon very possibly will fall to them anyways... or a blue chip talent at another important, need position like RB or CB (richardson and claiborne)... or if the conjecture that MIN may pass on kalil, maybe even somebody like that, who they might have taken at 1.2, if they had kept the pick...

one thing i like about the trade, is not just the extra two 1sts and a second, but that, in maximizing the draft capital they were able to extract from their fortuitous and opportune slot and timing, they minimized how far they had to drop to do so... maybe this is a draft with about a half dozen blue chip players and some separation at the top, and they remain in that coveted range... plus they are set at QB, and with the first two spots allocated to a position they don't need, it guarantees they get one of the four best players in the entire draft and off their board at the non-QB, need positions...

if somehow teams were vying for the third QB at the sixth spot, and a team was to make ANOTHER offer the rams couldn't refuse, that might be a more likely scenario than trading UP... but otherwise, they have already gotten such a future windfall in draft capital, that if they are sitting in a spot where they can simply acquire a rare blue chip player at a need position (if not WR or RB, than CB, LT?), i hope they don't overthink it...

getting the picks is maybe something like half the battle... spending them wisely is a completely different matter, as has been repeatedly (to the point of tediousness) proven to rams fans over the years...

 
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'Bob Magaw said:
reports that WRs steve smith had a visit (including physical) and manningham was expected to...manningham is talented (if inconsistent at times) and intriguing if not looking for a massive contract... he would make a good #2, complementary WR... if blackmon falls to 1.6, that would be a big upgrade in talent over what they have fielded in recent years (since holt & bruce in their prime)...smith had a 100+ reception, pro bowl season a few years ago... if he were to come even most of the way back from his knee injury (but now cut by giants and eagles in successive years?), he could also play a role... before the injury, he had underrated speed (former prep sprinter, one of fastest in state of CA?) and excellent route running skills)... given his availability, maybe we should infer that it will be an uphill battle for him to ever regain even some approximation of his previous form...* if they can upgrade through free agency AND the draft (but at the expense of only one pick in terms of draft capital), that could quickly turn around the positional talent that has languished for the past half decade or so (maybe not coincidentally, overalapping and coinciding with one of the most heinous half decade stretches in professional sports ((not just football :) )) history) in just a little over a month... to the point that clayton (if re-signed) would go from the most talented WR on the roster to the third best...
Smith's a year plus out from his microfracture surgery. Last year, if you remember, it was a shock that he was "ready" by Opening Day, and he was eventually put on IR with a bone bruise on that same knee. If he's healthy--which is possible--he'd be an instant upgrade. However, I'm not sure how he fits. He can play outside, but works best in the slot. While he'd make Amendola expendable, I'm not sold on anyone actually giving up a second round pick to sign him. Keeping four slot receivers seems unlikely, which would likely mean Pettis is in danger of being cut. Manningham would be a nice fit at outside, but I agree, he's definitely a complementary piece that warrants a reasonable, but not overpriced contract. If he wants too much money, I'd rather the Rams just go after talent in the draft. Right now, our WR corps is effectively:(Amendola)AlexanderGibsonPettisSalasHonestly, I could see four of those not being on the roster for Game 1. I'll be quite curious if the Danario saga comes to an end with a new regime in town.
 
few other thoughts...

i knew the bounty they got for the 1.2 was enormous, but not sure if i fully appreciated the historical scale... i heard it was the biggest number of high picks since the infamous walker trade... of course, the big difference is that MIN got a vet, and WAS will be getting a rookie that, if he is the real deal, could lead the franchise for a decade+... just because things didn't work out so great for MIN, doesn't mean they can't for WAS... DAL did end up winning three championships in the aikman era, but the aikman pick was from having such a bad record... and jimmy johnson had some great drafts, getting players like three time all pro OT erik williams in 3rd, etc...

a sign of how inept the rams have been drafting in the decade SINCE the last super bowl appearance in 2001 (thanks zygmunt/shaw, martz, linehan, etc.) is that, despite the appallingly bad record in recent years and dearth of talent on the roster, not only have few players failed to make an impact, but in a lot of cases aren't even on the roster...

 
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Gotta love what they're doing here. Wells was PFF's 4th ranked center last year, and while Langford isn't as explosive as Jones (and doesn't get tons of sacks), he's better against the run and gets consistent pressure.

 
Gotta love what they're doing here. Wells was PFF's 4th ranked center last year, and while Langford isn't as explosive as Jones (and doesn't get tons of sacks), he's better against the run and gets consistent pressure.
Agreed. Incredible offseason for St. Louis. Ram fan has to be pumped about the moves made so far (in FA and accumulating draft picks). This team could turnaround quickly.
 
Gotta love what they're doing here. Wells was PFF's 4th ranked center last year, and while Langford isn't as explosive as Jones (and doesn't get tons of sacks), he's better against the run and gets consistent pressure.
Agreed. Incredible offseason for St. Louis. Ram fan has to be pumped about the moves made so far (in FA and accumulating draft picks). This team could turnaround quickly.
I especially like that Langford and Finnegan are in their 20's..this is a far cry from the usual set of aging veterans the Rams usually target. While Wells is 31, that isn't unreasonable either. A FA that the Rams haven't been linked to at all--that I would have liked to see--is Tolbert.
 
the consensus seems to be that this draft is comprised of six blue chip players...

rams sitting in a good position at 1.6...

not counting the QBs (who will be off the board after the first two picks, and the rams were able to pass on RG3 and parlay the 1.2 for a king's ransom because they are confident in sam bradford's future), the remaining four...

LT matt kalil... seemed like a scratch pick for MIN, but even if they don't trade out of this pick, and acknowledging a serious positional need aligning with approx value here, they are also thought to be looking at WR blackmon and CB claiborne, also both big positional needs, and in which arguably approximate value would also be aligned. IF he is avail, the rams would have to think hard about this... saffold was originally drafted as a RT, and was shifted to LT after he outperformed the disappointing jason smith... while he acquitted himself very well as a rookie, he regressed somewhat in a soph slump season... smith took a pay cut, may not be in the rams future plans as they could cut him before the 2013 season, and he has a history of troubling concussions... he is also undisciplined and tends to be a lunger, getting unbalanced... kalil is much more of a blue chip LT prospect that saffold, which would enable saffold to be shunted to RT, possibly strengthening the rams at two positions (maybe THREE, if smith could kick inside... and they already shored up interior OL with free agent acq wells)... also, IF kalil is avail, that could mean that the other blue chip prospects are off the board, and the decision will have been made for them... ironically, if the rams had remained at 1.2, kalil may have been their pick...

RB trent richardson... in the extremely unlikely event that kalil AND richardson were available, i think richardson would be the pick... while they also have a WR skill position need, richardson seems to carry more of an elite grade, and has been called the best RB prospect in the draft since adrian peterson... fisher had a lot of success with another physical, tough RB in eddie george (and richardson is far more explosive), and an elite RB could take a lot of pressure off bradford and create a more dangerous offense by being more balanced and well rounded... he could also go a LONG way to solving massive red zone problems for the franchise for years, an ability to move the ball, but not not finish, or punch the ball in the red zone... tough to win consistently, if you can't score TDs... and steven jackson is a lot closer to the end than the beginning of his run... he has taken a beating as the focal point of the offense for years... on the bonus plan, richardson is an accomplished blocker and receiver, adding to his luster... unfortunately, with CLE & TB both potentially coveting him, this scenario may have become even more improbable than the until recently seemingly unlikely one in which kalil tumbles into their laps...

WR justin blackmon... two time bilitkenoff winner... positional need too obvious to require detailing... despite that, in the virtually non-existent chance richardson AND blackmon were there, richardson seems to have some separation in his grade... again, the rams choice (if in fact they don't trade down a few picks) will almost certainly be made for them, unless a team unexpectedly jumps above them to take tannehill (seems unlikely, as there is question whether MIA will even take him at 1.8, if he in fact lasts there)... while not a calvin johnson-type talent (who is?), he would on paper be easily the rams best WR since bruce and holt were in their prime... while some teams may prefer floyd, i think blackmon is the consensus top WR in the draft...

CB morris claiborne... the league is evolving quickly in the direction of becoming pass-centric, with the rules about not hitting WRs downfield or being able to go after the QB as aggressively becoming felt increasingly strongly... the rams secondary has been an achilles heel for many years... pairing claiborne with finnegan would give the team potentially one of the top CB tandem's in the league, and would help the rest of the defense with a lot of remaining holes look better...

LT or CB wouldn't be a sexy or dramatic pick, but the roster has so many holes that either could help the team to get better in what looks like a (perenially :) ) several year rebuilding project... i'd love to see richardson drop, but not expecting it... blackmon would look good in a rams uniform...

reportedly DT fletcher cox could be a dark horse, who they could pair with newly acquired DT kendall langford, bookended by chris long and robert quinn in what would be an instantly transformed new look DL...

in recent days, BC LB luke kuechly and alabama safety mark barron have been mentioned as being in or just outside the top half dozen blue chip propects in the draft... with laurinaitis in the fold, LB doesn't seem likely (unless the roiokie could convert easily to WLB? sounds like he has the requisite athleticism, and is a pure football talent who's skills could be generalized to another LB position), and LBs don't usually get taken there... neither do safeties, unless they are viewed as elite athletes with game breaking potential (like sean taylor and laron landry), which barron reportedly is... with the proliferation of pass catching TEs like jimmy graham and rob gronkowski, safeties could be big X factors and chess pieces to move around in the attempts of contemporary defense's to counter this trend (though maybe some questions re: barron's man-on-man coverage skills... he does sound competent in zone, so probably not a roy williams, david fulcher-esque complete stiff in coverage)... i don't think barron would be a target at 1.6, but possibly in a trade down scenario in which the rams stockpile further picks... i just think if the rams have a shot at a blue chip skill position player, they are in bad need of an infusion of playmaking talent on that side of the ball... again, it is hard to win if you can't score (though also, of course, if you routinely are scored on to the tune of the high 20s or even the 30s)...

the rams have gotten into deep trouble in the past through positional reaching (lets not even talk about luxury picks like trung candidate)... the problem with that is you can end up with a roster filled with marginal talent... if you stock up up with best avail talent (especially since positional need can be addressed through free agency & sometimes trade), you will have more talent ACROSS the roster... this can come in especially handy when positions a team thought they had LOCKED down ends up changing... players get injured, age, underperform, get more expensive than they are worth, etc.

some exceptions to the heuristic... you don't take 10 QBs in a row if they are your highest grade... some positions (like TE & interior OL, don't get taken at 1.6)... sometimes teams build a roster around demands imposed by things like division opposition and weather (PIT and BAL from AFC North very physical and tough)... but on that last point, some of those factors could be addressed in later rounds...

 
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reportedly DT fletcher cox could be a dark horse, who they could pair with newly acquired DT kendall langford, bookended by chris long and robert quinn in what would be an instantly transformed new look DL...the rams have gotten into deep trouble in the past through positional reaching (lets not even talk about luxury picks like trung candidate)... the problem with that is you can end up with a roster filled with marginal talent... if you stock up up with best avail talent (especially since positional need can be addressed through free agency & sometimes trade), you will have more talent ACROSS the roster... this can come in especially handy when positions a team thought they had LOCKED down ends up changing... players get injured, age, underperform, get more expensive than they are worth, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cox as the pick, particularly in a low-powered, defense-oriented division. It's arguably going to be easier for the Rams to compete sooner if they can build their defense--which has the virtue of being closer to a viable unit. A DT and an athletic OLB are the only glaring needs. If Cox's separation from the DT available in the second round is greater than the difference between Blackmon and 2nd round WRs, I think Cox is the better pick. I think an important thing to remember is that regardless of their pick at 6, it's going to be a quality player in a position of need. The Rams have multiple positions of need. Blackmon/Cox/Kalil/Richardson/Claiborne is a win-win scenario (though Claiborne is the one I like least). Whatever we take, I hope people don't overreact. We're well set up for the next several drafts.
 
cox is reportedly an extremely impressive athlete with good movement skills for a big man... he certainly has a chance to emerge as one of the best defensive (and OVERALL) players from this draft... mayock characterized him as being the best run defender among the top DL, with the upside to be able to rush the passer (rare combo)...

it could be a coup if they were to manage to trade down and still get player like cox (though not sure how long he would last, he could be covted by a few teams right after, such as CAR, who has been linked with him in some mocks? so perhaps more likely they have to pull the trigger at 1.6 if they want him)...

SF unexpected 2011 success was built on their powerful OL and running attack (and of course their defense)...

the rams are definitely set up in the draft for the next three years...

looking forward to what they do with the two high seconds fri night... they have so much flexibility to move up for a targeted player, down in this draft if they want, into next year (a 2012 2nd for a 2013 1st?)... has a team ever had THREE 1sts in a draft? :)

assuming they don't get richardson, if doug martin were to slip out of the first, he would have to be of interest with the high second (or david wilson or lamar miller, though they don't sound as versatile, well rounded, or having as much potential to eventually be a feature RB... than again, these days, almost all teams employ committees, which they could possibly spearhead)... a borderline 1st round, stud LB and/or guard would also seem to be in play... if they don't get blackmon, as you alluded to, maybe WR like LSU's randle falls (sounds like a sleeper who could become a better pro, as he wasn't used to his best advantage in college, and could have more upside than some higher graded prospects based on more favorable college surroundings and circumstances)?

 
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This is funny:

... has a team ever had THREE 1sts in a draft? :)
I knew about the 2001 experience where I thought we actually had 4 but I looked it up and did you know we've actually had 3 firsts three times.2001 12 Damione Lewis DT Miami 20 Adam Archuleta DB Arizona State 29 Ryan Pickett DT Ohio State 1975 9 Mike Fanning DT Notre Dame 11 Dennis Harrah G Miami20 Doug France T Ohio State 1969 8 Larry Smith RB Florida10 Jim Seymour SE Notre Dame 21 Bob Klein As far as 2012 draft we are in the catbird seat. We are looking at one of the "blue chip" players and it really doesn't matter which because we need almost everything. If they felt Cox or Floyd (or someone else) was the guy there or wanted to trade down then I'd be fine with that too. At this point I think the new leadership is allowed a bit of leeway until we see what they can do. We really can't miss as far as current "draft rankings". But, of course how the players selected ultimately perform is the real question. And, we certainly have had more than our fair share of busts here in the Lou. Snead/Fisher have done a great job so far. We've picked up some good players in free agency and the RG3 trade gave us a nice haul of early picks. On top of an early first and two early second rounders this year, we have 2 firsts in the next two drafts. So, the current regime certainly has the ammunition to turn this franchise around over the next couple of years provided they do a much better job of selecting and developing talent in the draft than previous leadership. It really shouldn't be hard to improve because it has been a horrible horrible stretch so far. The bar is low at this point but hopes are high.Go Rams!!!!!
 
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This is funny:

... has a team ever had THREE 1sts in a draft? :)
I knew about the 2001 experience where I thought we actually had 4 but I looked it up and did you know we've actually had 3 firsts three times.2001 12 Damione Lewis DT Miami 20 Adam Archuleta DB Arizona State 29 Ryan Pickett DT Ohio State 1975 9 Mike Fanning DT Notre Dame 11 Dennis Harrah G Miami20 Doug France T Ohio State 1969 8 Larry Smith RB Florida10 Jim Seymour SE Notre Dame 21 Bob Klein As far as 2012 draft we are in the catbird seat. We are looking at one of the "blue chip" players and it really doesn't matter which because we need almost everything. If they felt Cox or Floyd (or someone else) was the guy there or wanted to trade down then I'd be fine with that too. At this point I think the new leadership is allowed a bit of leeway until we see what they can do. We really can't miss as far as current "draft rankings". But, of course how the players selected ultimately perform is the real question. And, we certainly have had more than our fair share of busts here in the Lou. Snead/Fisher have done a great job so far. We've picked up some good players in free agency and the RG3 trade gave us a nice haul of early picks. On top of an early first and two early second rounders this year, we have 2 firsts in the next two drafts. So, the current regime certainly has the ammunition to turn this franchise around over the next couple of years provided they do a much better job of selecting and developing talent in the draft than previous leadership. It really shouldn't be hard to improve because it has been a horrible horrible stretch so far. The bar is low at this point but hopes are high.Go Rams!!!!!
that IS funny! :)that it happened to the rams... THREE times!i should have remembered 2001 (lost to pats in super bowl in what could/should have been a dynasty if not for the mismanagement by martz & front office)...hopefully i can be forgiven for not remembering '69 (dating myself by admitting i was about five or six then) & '75, i'm not enough of a historian to have remembered them...* and well said above... :thumbup:
 
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I like the Rams moving back to 14. Three second round picks tomorrow in the first 13. Don't bemoan the loss of WR--wonder if Floyd'll be there at 14? If not, there's tomorrow.

 
I like the Rams moving back to 14. Three second round picks tomorrow in the first 13. Don't bemoan the loss of WR--wonder if Floyd'll be there at 14? If not, there's tomorrow.
i'm definitely OK with having three early 2nds (maybe one gets flipped to a '13 1st?)...lets see who they get with cowboys pick... they might get second best OT in reiff... top interior OL in decastro (seems like nasty fisher kind of player)... maybe trade down AGAIN, get WR like hill, wright or randle... maybe one or several of them are left in 2nd?* good point about floyd, he is still there in a lot of mocks... looks like the rams are making up for all the times they didn't trade down in recent years with a vengeance!
 
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'Bob Magaw said:
'lyon812 said:
I like the Rams moving back to 14. Three second round picks tomorrow in the first 13. Don't bemoan the loss of WR--wonder if Floyd'll be there at 14? If not, there's tomorrow.
i'm definitely OK with having three early 2nds (maybe one gets flipped to a '13 1st?)...lets see who they get with cowboys pick... they might get second best OT in reiff... top interior OL in decastro (seems like nasty fisher kind of player)... maybe trade down AGAIN, get WR like hill, wright or randle... maybe one or several of them are left in 2nd?* good point about floyd, he is still there in a lot of mocks... looks like the rams are making up for all the times they didn't trade down in recent years with a vengeance!
Tons of options for the Rams.
 
'Bob Magaw said:
'lyon812 said:
I like the Rams moving back to 14. Three second round picks tomorrow in the first 13. Don't bemoan the loss of WR--wonder if Floyd'll be there at 14? If not, there's tomorrow.
i'm definitely OK with having three early 2nds (maybe one gets flipped to a '13 1st?)...lets see who they get with cowboys pick... they might get second best OT in reiff... top interior OL in decastro (seems like nasty fisher kind of player)... maybe trade down AGAIN, get WR like hill, wright or randle... maybe one or several of them are left in 2nd?* good point about floyd, he is still there in a lot of mocks... looks like the rams are making up for all the times they didn't trade down in recent years with a vengeance!
Not a fan of Hill at all, but Wright or Randle would be more than welcome. I'm loving how active Fisher/Snead are--as we keep saying, one player isn't going to make the difference. We've managed to parlay our #2 pick into an additional pair of seconds and firsts...that's pretty awesome.
 
this is setting up where they could have their pick of floyd, cox... guys that might have made sense around 1.6 (maybe reach for floyd)... or reiff or decastro...

just hawks and cards to go with BUF taking gilmore & KC taking poe...

 
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I was hoping Floyd, but Brockers is the run-stopper we need--and I'm betting Fisher will be able to coach up his raw talent. I'm hoping the 2nd round brings us a receiver and linebacker. Randle and David, perhaps?

 
I was hoping Floyd, but Brockers is the run-stopper we need--and I'm betting Fisher will be able to coach up his raw talent. I'm hoping the 2nd round brings us a receiver and linebacker. Randle and David, perhaps?
WR & LB huge needs...also RB & OL... maybe martin falls... or the OT from stanford, who some mocks have going near end of the 1st?* IF brockers turns into a massive, athletic, outstanding run stuffing DT, it has been a long time since we had one... maybe sean gilbert? he held out for a year, and i think maybe coincidentally fetched a couple of 1sts from CAR when seifert was HC?maybe sub-par interior DL play has been one common denominator in the horrific post super bowl era?
 
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miss out on Blackmon and Floyd one spot before the Rams could have had either.
floyd would have been nice... but i'm not sure even if they had known he would be gone, they still wouldn't rather have brockers + DAL 2nd, if brockers carries similar grade (at different position), with so many holes...
 

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