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I'm from the area (DE), but haven't run this race. I have run parts of this course, since it looks like it's overlapping the second part marathon course. That section is super flat/easy. Very nice area too. I say go for it! Don't worry about the weather, it may get into the 30s, but thats no biggie.
What's hilarious about the ultra training is that I don't even consider 20-milers "long" anymore....
Jesus, dude.
Thanks!!
Just signed up for it! Back to the training...have about 3 weeks to get my self from 6 mile range to 8.4 mile range.....thinking just to add a few more long runs in?
Great job Pros. You're making huge strides. Given the miserable training conditions you have in the desert, this much improvement deserves high praise. Good luck int he next half, you'll kill it.I made it with a new PB. I am waiting for official results but my Garmin has me at 2:01:08 with avg pace 9:12I am ecstatic. Best race I have ever run. The mountain got me but I had sanded/banked time and I made time up coming down the mountain.My goal was 9:30-10:00 avg pacemiles 1-5 were 9:03,8:58,8:48,8:49,9:00In past I have always started in the back because I did not want to be the guy who held a fast runner up. I have learned that starting at the back sucks unless you are walking or just dont mind dodging people. Today I got close to the front. Not front but close. It helped tremendously. I was sanding and I had to reign myself in. I kept feeling like I was going to slow but the Garmin does not lie. I was holding back and thinking of trying to save for the mountain.miles 6-7 9:26,11:30Hello A Mountain. I hate that mountain. I was getting concerned here for sure. I was doing math in my head trying to calculate how bad this could be but still get the time I wanted. I did a walk run deal up the mountain. Lots of walkers here. This is a brutal climb. Last year I did the worst mile in over 13:00 so i did improve quite a bit. I was also sick last year and running with a chest cold. Like I said I was concerned but I thought the math was gonna work out.miles 8-9 8:13,8:56 Good bye A Mountain. It would be real easy to lose all control running down this thing. I was using the down hill to make up for the up hill. It worked out pretty well but I did start to feel some blister pain. #### that I made the time up and I am winning. #### eating grin as I go down watching people walk wishing they were coming down
My official results are in 2:01:11 9:15
Ned -Plan your race and race your plan! ..and race it you did. Very cool.2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
Huge training cycle paying off. You've officailly graduated to fast guy territory.
And you can't improve much during the two weeks prior to a race.'DanFouts said:
Yup, get a long run or two or three in to acclimate to that distance and build some confidence. Maybe this weekend run a shorter run on Saturday then a longer run on Sunday (which will be on tired legs) ...convince yourself that if you can run, say, 7 miles on tired legs, you'll be able to run 8.4 on fresh legs.
Man............... I was hoping this wouldn't come up so soon, but I might as well come out with it. When I posted about rethinking all of my goals, a BQ certainly came to mind. Grue - this was why I was asking 101 questions about your big jump in your third marathon.Ned -Plan your race and race your plan! ..and race it you did. Very cool.2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
You realize that you're getting close to the point where BQ is a reality for you in the future...
I honestly never considered myself to have the endurance to make a run at a BQ, but now I think I can do it once I move up to the next age bracket. I'm turning 34 in November, so a 3:05 ain't happening. 35-39 is a 3:10 and gives me 5 years to hit that mark. I hate that I'm thinking past Philly, but I need to set long term goals. What better goal than to shoot for Boston?
Sub 3:00?Man............... I was hoping this wouldn't come up so soon, but I might as well come out with it. When I posted about rethinking all of my goals, a BQ certainly came to mind. Grue - this was why I was asking 101 questions about your big jump in your third marathon.Ned -Plan your race and race your plan! ..and race it you did. Very cool.2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
You realize that you're getting close to the point where BQ is a reality for you in the future...
Sub 3:00?Man............... I was hoping this wouldn't come up so soon, but I might as well come out with it. When I posted about rethinking all of my goals, a BQ certainly came to mind. Grue - this was why I was asking 101 questions about your big jump in your third marathon.Ned -Plan your race and race your plan! ..and race it you did. Very cool.2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
You realize that you're getting close to the point where BQ is a reality for you in the future...
There will always be that part of us that thinks we can do a little better...if only we did this or that. Within 5 minutes of getting my BQ 3:08 this Spring I remember thinking to myself, "Uh-oh! Now you're going to shoot for sub 3:00". Of course, alternatively, you could always decided to run ultras or do Ironmans.Sub 3:00?Man............... I was hoping this wouldn't come up so soon, but I might as well come out with it. When I posted about rethinking all of my goals, a BQ certainly came to mind. Grue - this was why I was asking 101 questions about your big jump in your third marathon.Ned -Plan your race and race your plan! ..and race it you did. Very cool.2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
You realize that you're getting close to the point where BQ is a reality for you in the future...
Crap. I never finished answering all of those, either, did I? Sorry! I'll get on that!!Grue - this was why I was asking 101 questions about your big jump in your third marathon.
I've been very sore following the 5K, which I can't remember happening before ...the quads were stinging; the hammies were tender. I blame Sand.
I know. Almost didn't post it. On one hand you should enjoy and celebrate what you've accomplished. But on the other hand, you're now fast. 39th of a 1500 person race is the definition of top caliber runner.Man............... I was hoping this wouldn't come up so soon, but I might as well come out with it. When I posted about rethinking all of my goals, a BQ certainly came to mind. Grue - this was why I was asking 101 questions about your big jump in your third marathon.
I honestly never considered myself to have the endurance to make a run at a BQ, but now I think I can do it once I move up to the next age bracket. I'm turning 34 in November, so a 3:05 ain't happening. 35-39 is a 3:10 and gives me 5 years to hit that mark. I hate that I'm thinking past Philly, but I need to set long term goals. What better goal than to shoot for Boston?
There's the BnB we know. NICE!You and SFB are beasts with these mountain runs.
It came out of nowhere. I'd been training for the half, but after running a different half in 1:32:41 with five weeks to go, I decided to make the jump up to the marathon. IIRC, I hadn't done anything longer than 13-14 miles to that point in my training, so I did a couple of longer runs the next two weekends, and then I did a 3-week taper.A guy I knew (who's since become a good friend) was pacing 3:10 that day, and the weather was perfect (40ish), so I decided to go for it. His pacing was perfect. I hit the half at 1:34:09, and despite battling some nasty GI issues the last 8 miles or so (later diagnosed as ischemic colitis), I hit the finish line at exactly 3:10:00 for my first BQ. (Splits here.)Ah, poorly worded on my part.I don't understand the question.
When did you realize that you had a real shot at running the BQ or did it come out of nowhere? That was a huge jump in your 3rd marathon.
It came out of nowhere. I'd been training for the half, but after running a different half in 1:32:41 with five weeks to go, I decided to make the jump up to the marathon. IIRC, I hadn't done anything longer than 13-14 miles to that point in my training, so I did a couple of longer runs the next two weekends, and then I did a 3-week taper.A guy I knew (who's since become a good friend) was pacing 3:10 that day, and the weather was perfect (40ish), so I decided to go for it. His pacing was perfect. I hit the half at 1:34:09, and despite battling some nasty GI issues the last 8 miles or so (later diagnosed as ischemic colitis), I hit the finish line at exactly 3:10:00 for my first BQ. (Splits here.)Ah, poorly worded on my part.I don't understand the question.
Still no idea how I did it, except that it's probably a matter of less is more. I was definitely undertrained, but my legs were fresh, and the weather was perfect. That's all I can come up with.
I'd fail to BQ in my next four marathons, coming up short for various reasons at Boston '08 (3:42:28), Green Bay '08 (3:34:34), Memphis '08 (3:20:18), and RNR Arizona '09 (3:42:09). As such, I didn't get to run Boston '09. I finally got the BQ monkey off my back at Chicago '09, running my best race ever to that point (3:06:10) under near-perfect conditions.
I've since run three more BQ marathons (Boston '10, Chicago '10, and Milwaukee '11). By now I know I can do it, but more importantly, I know how to do it, so I expect to do it.
There, now I've appropriately answered your question.
thanks man. Appreciate it. Fascinating to see the history and just how unpredictable 26.2 really is.
That's awesome. Back then you did have the 59 second buffer. Today you would have qualified by tenths of a second...
It came out of nowhere. I'd been training for the half, but after running a different half in 1:32:41 with five weeks to go, I decided to make the jump up to the marathon. IIRC, I hadn't done anything longer than 13-14 miles to that point in my training, so I did a couple of longer runs the next two weekends, and then I did a 3-week taper.A guy I knew (who's since become a good friend) was pacing 3:10 that day, and the weather was perfect (40ish), so I decided to go for it. His pacing was perfect. I hit the half at 1:34:09, and despite battling some nasty GI issues the last 8 miles or so (later diagnosed as ischemic colitis), I hit the finish line at exactly 3:10:00 for my first BQ. (Splits here.)Ah, poorly worded on my part.I don't understand the question.
Still no idea how I did it, except that it's probably a matter of less is more. I was definitely undertrained, but my legs were fresh, and the weather was perfect. That's all I can come up with.
I'd fail to BQ in my next four marathons, coming up short for various reasons at Boston '08 (3:42:28), Green Bay '08 (3:34:34), Memphis '08 (3:20:18), and RNR Arizona '09 (3:42:09). As such, I didn't get to run Boston '09. I finally got the BQ monkey off my back at Chicago '09, running my best race ever to that point (3:06:10) under near-perfect conditions.
I've since run three more BQ marathons (Boston '10, Chicago '10, and Milwaukee '11). By now I know I can do it, but more importantly, I know how to do it, so I expect to do it.
There, now I've appropriately answered your question.
It's great to be able to go back and re-visit this sort of stuff in this thread.
Seriously. I have never had a cold this bad that hung on this long before, not since I was a little kid. As irritating as it is to not be able to get back into the swing of things, I keep reminding myself that this would have completely derailed my marathon.
I was just going to say, this is my type of run!My quads finally calmed down and felt semi-normal again and I got in 4 miles on Sunday (rolling stuff) and a little over 6 yesterday. My HR monitor wasn't working yesterday (it was just all over the place, mostly way lower than realistic range) and the legs felt pretty good so I pushed it a little on a run with some nice little climbs. Was kind of nice to not be paying attention to it constantly and just let go a bit, I must admit. That being said, my current training block is all about building aerobic base, so I ordered a new HR monitor for my 305 last night so that I can get back to it.Prop and tri and anyone else I missed - GREAT results last weekend!'Ned said:There's the BnB we know. NICE!You and SFB are beasts with these mountain runs.
While I snagged a great deal on some LunarGlides last week...planned on putting them up for spring (ran once in them and liked it ok).Still wanted another pair of Mizunos to work in the next few weeks and wear for the marathon as I may have about 300 miles on the Inspires I have by then (though, put over 500 on the inspire 7s...and think the 8s will get more than that...but wanted another pair).
Might be my old friend Achillies tendonosis. Did you feel it strongly when you first got out of bed this morning?
If its above your Achilles but below the main calf, that's your soleus. I battle tight soleus in either leg all the time, so I'm always running through some sorta pain there. It always loosens up after a minute or so and is completely fine. Calf sleeves +
Sounds like this is it.Jux, didn't feel anything strong this morning, really haven't all day. I feel something but it's nothing too bothersome, going to treat this like Ned suggested then re-evaluate Saturday after the 12 on Friday. Here's hoping for no sharper pain first thing Sat mronign!
This could be stated much more concisesly as "5 miles easy."'Hang 10 said:So I'm doing a final run today before a 10k this Saturday and here's what an old training program I've used said to do...1 mile warmup3 miles at easy pace1 mile cooldownWTH is the difference??
Right. I don't see the point in going for 1mi at recovery pace, then 3 at GA type pace, then 1 recovery. I'd just do 5 easy and call it a day. Being 2 days out from the 10K, I don't think it matter much as long as you don't go out there and hammer it.What's your goal time?This could be stated much more concisesly as "5 miles easy."'Hang 10 said:So I'm doing a final run today before a 10k this Saturday and here's what an old training program I've used said to do...1 mile warmup3 miles at easy pace1 mile cooldownWTH is the difference??
Good question. Did my last 10k in 40:55 but not really realistic that I'm gonna touch that coming off my injury. I'm just hoping to average under a 7 minute pace. I'd be good with that.Right. I don't see the point in going for 1mi at recovery pace, then 3 at GA type pace, then 1 recovery. I'd just do 5 easy and call it a day. Being 2 days out from the 10K, I don't think it matter much as long as you don't go out there and hammer it.What's your goal time?This could be stated much more concisesly as "5 miles easy."'Hang 10 said:So I'm doing a final run today before a 10k this Saturday and here's what an old training program I've used said to do...1 mile warmup3 miles at easy pace1 mile cooldownWTH is the difference??
I just don't even want to imagine that.Won't be my first hungover 20-miler, and I'm sure it won't be my last.
Have fun, gru. This is your first 30/20, right? I'm looking forward to hearing how this goes. This is territory most of us can only imagine.Was gonna take a half-day vacation today so I could do my 30-miler today and my 20-miler tomorrow, but now I'm seeing 100% chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon, temps in the upper 60s, and winds at 20+ mph. Eff that. Next 3 days are supposed to be perfect for running (upper 40s and sunny), so I'll do the 30 tomorrow afternoon and 20 on Saturday.One of my best friends is having his annual Halloween bash on Friday, so I was hoping to avoid having to run on Saturday, but it is what it is. Won't be my first hungover 20-miler, and I'm sure it won't be my last.
It's generally not pleasant.I just don't even want to imagine that.Won't be my first hungover 20-miler, and I'm sure it won't be my last.
Correct. I'm gonna take it pretty slow, so I'm not horribly worried. Probably 8:30-8:45 on the 30-miler, and then whatever my legs can muster for the 20-miler. I'm gonna try eating some real food (PB&J, pretzels, M&Ms) on the 30-miler, so that'll be the really interesting part.Have fun, gru. This is your first 30/20, right? I'm looking forward to hearing how this goes. This is territory most of us can only imagine.Was gonna take a half-day vacation today so I could do my 30-miler today and my 20-miler tomorrow, but now I'm seeing 100% chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon, temps in the upper 60s, and winds at 20+ mph. Eff that. Next 3 days are supposed to be perfect for running (upper 40s and sunny), so I'll do the 30 tomorrow afternoon and 20 on Saturday.
One of my best friends is having his annual Halloween bash on Friday, so I was hoping to avoid having to run on Saturday, but it is what it is. Won't be my first hungover 20-miler, and I'm sure it won't be my last.
Tight soleus muscles are the root of the issues I've had as well (PF and Achilles issues). Those damn things just pull on everything more than they should and I'm always trying to get them loosened up. I do some dynamic stretching before runs, often stop during the first mile once or twice to do that again, and always stretch and roll them afterward. Like you, I also find they usually get loosened up after a mile or two and the discomfort stops, but I know if I could figure out how to increase my flexibility there the likelihood of the foot/heel issues I've had recurring would drop dramatically.
