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Ran a 10k in June (2 Viewers)

3mi @ HMP today and felt great again. I'm really hoping for a solid run for tomorrow's 12mi for confidence reasons. I have felt awesome on these HMP runs and hope it all translates next Sunday. That crummy 11 last week is still messing with me a tad, so I'm hoping tomorrow proves that it was just a bad day. Got my registration email today - bib #22951 for anyone that wants to play along next Sunday. Starting in the gray corral - smack dab in the middle of the 23,000 runners. :shrug:
Oh yeah, baby. This morning's 12 was :confused: . This is exactly what I needed. I went back to the same spot I've been running for my past 3 long runs and felt fantastic. With the way my body went off a cliff last week, I decided to carry a 2nd Gu with me and adjust my fueling strategy. Prior to this, I was drinking a 12oz gatorade and eating a Gu at 5mi. Today I took half the gatorade and 1 Gu at 4mi and then the 2nd half of gatorade and another Gu at 8. Thinking this might be a bit of overkill, but all I know is I felt fantastic the entire way through. I'm not quite sure this is what I'll do next week, but we'll see...At the 9mi mark my legs had a ton of drive left in them, so I opened up my stride a bit to see what my final 3 would be to give me a tiny clue as to what I could expect for the final 5k next week. Since I'm going to go with the 5-5-5 plan next week, I wanted to know what I may have left for the final 5k push. I didn't press it hard, but it was probably a 70%-ish effort. 9:00, 8:46, 8:51 for 26:37. Very happy with that and feel like a 1:55 HM is well within my grasp next week. :thumbup:
I think you found your nutrition plan for next weekend. That is right about what I do for 1/2s. Gel @ around 4 or 5 and another at about 8 or 9. Knowing you are an over planner, go take a look at the course map and water stops and determine how the water stops fit with your plan. Remember where they are and start taking the gel about a 1/4 mile before to have it down by the time you get to the stop to wash it down with water (or Gatoraide if they have it).
Interesting. Glad I'm not the only one that needs this type of fueling for a HM. I was under the impression that it was overkill.Do you run while you're taking your Gu? Part of the reason I was apprehensive of doing 2 Gu/gatorade stops was it takes me a decent amount of time to get both down while walking. Maybe I'll practice running and eating a Gu this week to see what it's like.Thanks for the tips!
Absolutely. Tare the top a bit so it is easy to open the packets. I run with a race belt, with the gels in the pouch. If you don't have one, they'll have them for sale at the race expo. I can stand pinning things on shirts and the zipper pouch is great to have. I don't take the whole gel all at once. Rather I squeeze a bit at a time while running (or riding). This is why I start taking it a 1/4 mile from water stops. Just remembered a Tri-Man trick. If it is cold, hold the gel in you hand about 5 minutes prior to when you are going to take it. Cold gel is nasty and hard to take.
 
Still thrilled about our weekend marathoners. Gruecd, I'm dying to know where you placed in that small race! And wraith, taking off 18 minutes must feel fantastic!! Congrats again.

 
Not a marathon, but after a craptastic day yesterday I went out and ran 10 miler at 8:28/mile this evening. Longest run since February, as far as I can tell.

Pretty happy with that!

I think I already said so, but if I haven't congrats Wraith and Grue!!

 
2Young2BBald said:
Ned said:
2Young2BBald said:
Ned said:
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3mi @ HMP today and felt great again. I'm really hoping for a solid run for tomorrow's 12mi for confidence reasons. I have felt awesome on these HMP runs and hope it all translates next Sunday. That crummy 11 last week is still messing with me a tad, so I'm hoping tomorrow proves that it was just a bad day. Got my registration email today - bib #22951 for anyone that wants to play along next Sunday. Starting in the gray corral - smack dab in the middle of the 23,000 runners. :fishing:
Oh yeah, baby. This morning's 12 was :no: . This is exactly what I needed. I went back to the same spot I've been running for my past 3 long runs and felt fantastic. With the way my body went off a cliff last week, I decided to carry a 2nd Gu with me and adjust my fueling strategy. Prior to this, I was drinking a 12oz gatorade and eating a Gu at 5mi. Today I took half the gatorade and 1 Gu at 4mi and then the 2nd half of gatorade and another Gu at 8. Thinking this might be a bit of overkill, but all I know is I felt fantastic the entire way through. I'm not quite sure this is what I'll do next week, but we'll see...At the 9mi mark my legs had a ton of drive left in them, so I opened up my stride a bit to see what my final 3 would be to give me a tiny clue as to what I could expect for the final 5k next week. Since I'm going to go with the 5-5-5 plan next week, I wanted to know what I may have left for the final 5k push. I didn't press it hard, but it was probably a 70%-ish effort. 9:00, 8:46, 8:51 for 26:37. Very happy with that and feel like a 1:55 HM is well within my grasp next week. :thumbup:
I think you found your nutrition plan for next weekend. That is right about what I do for 1/2s. Gel @ around 4 or 5 and another at about 8 or 9. Knowing you are an over planner, go take a look at the course map and water stops and determine how the water stops fit with your plan. Remember where they are and start taking the gel about a 1/4 mile before to have it down by the time you get to the stop to wash it down with water (or Gatoraide if they have it).
Interesting. Glad I'm not the only one that needs this type of fueling for a HM. I was under the impression that it was overkill.Do you run while you're taking your Gu? Part of the reason I was apprehensive of doing 2 Gu/gatorade stops was it takes me a decent amount of time to get both down while walking. Maybe I'll practice running and eating a Gu this week to see what it's like.Thanks for the tips!
Absolutely. Tare the top a bit so it is easy to open the packets. I run with a race belt, with the gels in the pouch. If you don't have one, they'll have them for sale at the race expo. I can stand pinning things on shirts and the zipper pouch is great to have. I don't take the whole gel all at once. Rather I squeeze a bit at a time while running (or riding). This is why I start taking it a 1/4 mile from water stops. Just remembered a Tri-Man trick. If it is cold, hold the gel in you hand about 5 minutes prior to when you are going to take it. Cold gel is nasty and hard to take.
I've been carrying the Gu's in my pocket and noticed how much smoother they were when warm. Only way to go, IMO. :thumbup:
 
Not a marathon, but after a craptastic day yesterday I went out and ran 10 miler at 8:28/mile this evening. Longest run since February, as far as I can tell.Pretty happy with that!I think I already said so, but if I haven't congrats Wraith and Grue!!
That's great news. Sounds like you're pretty well recovered.
 
Still thrilled about our weekend marathoners. Gruecd, I'm dying to know where you placed in that small race! And wraith, taking off 18 minutes must feel fantastic!! Congrats again.
Thanks, tri-man. My official time of 3:10:20 was only good for 20th overall and 6th in my age group. Last year I would've been 10th and 4th, respectively, so obviously a little stronger field this year. Last year's winner repeated as champ, going 2:32:03, seven minutes faster than last year. It was his seventh full marathon in the past 10 weeks. :eek: He's running CIM in three weeks, and if I remember correctly, he said that he's looking to go 2:23. :eek: :eek:

Not a lot to say right now about the race. Easily the toughest course I've run, including Boston and New York. I did go for the sub-3, clocking 1:30:01 at the half, but between the hills and (probably) some residual fatigue from Chicago, it wasn't meant to be. That being said, I'm OK with the results, but I'll feel a lot better when I can get this sub-3 monkey off my back. I know I can do it. Regardless, awesome hanging with Wraith for a couple days, and super proud of him for getting the big PR.

Heading out to NY for a few days tomorrow for work. Next up on the race schedule is the Memphis half on 12/4.

Ned and Sand - Congrats on your 12- and 10-milers, respectively. Nice work. :goodposting:

Hope you all have a great night!

 
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Great race Grue and Wraith.

Good workouts by many out here. Fall is rewarding us from a hot summer with some good running.

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Quick upday for me today. I am still not quite feeling well, but I have been busting it anyway. Friday was 5 miles, Saturdat was 4 recovery miles and yesterday was 10. This week I want to start getting some consistancy out there and getting my mileage back up for the rest of the year. I know that if I am going to have to rely on the Pig to qualify, then I am going to have to get stronger in my legs and just plain faster so I have a lot of hard work during the winter to put in.

On that note, I know it will be a bit of a challenge because I also picked up COD: Black Ops so I will be tempted to stay up later and play instead of getting my rest. It will work itself out though.

Have a great day all.

 
Ran my first sub 2 hour half yesterday. :pics:

13.1 miles @ 8'42" pace, 1:54:04, 147 hr

1 - 8'47", 130 hr

2 - 8'37", 145

3 - 8'03", 146

4 - 8'17", 145

5 - 8'16", 146

6 - 9'06", 146

7 - 8'46", 152

8 - 9'06", 148

9 - 8'59", 150

10 - 8'30" 149

11 - 9'12", 148

12 - 9'05", 150

13 - 8'27", 156

Probably a little strong out of the gate, but it's more downhill on the way out than back. Didn't take any water or nutrition. Don't feel like that hurt me, but my legs and feet were getting sore the last half of the run. I'm well into record mileage numbers so I'm probably seeing fitness benefits bumping up against accumulated fatigue.

eta: Only 3 of the miles were within +/- 10 seconds of the average pace and 6 within +/- 20 seconds. :unsure:

 
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10-1: 3.1 mi @ 8'16", 25'40", 150 hr 10-2: 3.3 mi, 30'55", 134 hr + 22 mi bike 10-3: 5.6 mi @ 7'44" (gps was off), 43'24", 138 hr 10-4: off 10-5: 3.1 mi @ 8'09", 25'02", 140 hr 10-6: 3.1 mi @ 9'09", 28'40", 127 hr 10-7: 4 mi @ 9'40", 38'43", 140 hr

10-8: 3.5 mi @ 9'31", 33'20", 130 hr 10-9: 2.2 mi @ 9'00", 20'00", 135 hr 10-10: 3.1 mi @ 8'54", 27'36", 141 hr AND 3.2 mi @ 8'47", 141 hr 10-11: 9.0 mi @ 8'59", 1:20'43", 138 hr 10-12: 3.21 @ 9'38", 30'56", 131 hr 10-12: 4 mi @ 8'24", 33'35", 142 hr 10-13: 3.1 @ 9'58", 30'49", 132 hr 10-14: 2.2 mi bike ride + 3.31 mi @ 9'15", 30'36", 136 hr 10-15: 3 mi @ 8'42", 26'10", 140 hr 10-16: 2.14 mi @ 9'43", 20'42", 140 hr 10-17: 3 mi @ 9'27", 28'21", 134 hr 10-18: 4 mi @ 8'39", 34'35", 131 hr 10-18: 2 mi @ 10'32", 21'03", 120 hr 10-19: 3.5 mi @ 9'45", 34'08", 128 hr 10-20: off 10-21: 15 mi bike ride, 5 min run which doesn't count 10-22: 3.11 mi @ 7'43", 23'58", 150 hr 10-23: 2.76 mi @ 8'5", 24'31", 132 hr plus 38 mi bike ride 10-24: 2 mi @ 10'00" and 4.5 mi @ 8'36", 38'43", 134 hr 10-25: 2.6 mi @ 10'23", 27'00", 123 hr 10-26: 3 mi @ 9'20", 27'58", 124 hr 10-27: 3.1 mi @ 8'25", 26'02", 139 hr 10-28: off 10-29: 2.55 mi @ 7'51", 20'00", 145 hr 10-30: off 10-31: off 29 runs in 31 days, 96.97 miles for October 11-1: 3.1 mi @ 7'45", 23'58", 147 hr 11-2: 7.0 mi @ 8'16", 57'53", 144 hr 11-3: 5.49 mi @ 9'21", 51'25", 147 hr - trail run 11-4: 2.0 mi @ 10'00", 114 hr 11-5: 10.01 mi @ 8'53", 1:28'53", 138 hr 11-6: 5 mi @ 9'02", 45'08", 139 hr - trail run 11-6: 2 mi @ 10'29", 20'55", 124 hr 11-7: 2.26 mi @ 9'11", 20'42", 139 hr 11-8: 3.1 mi @ 8'23", 25'56", 144 hr followed by 11-8: 22.4 mi computrainer bike ride, 1:01'28, 256 average watts, 151 hr 11-8: 1.87 mi, 20 min

11-9: off

11-10: 2 mi @ 10'00", 20'00"

11-11: off

11-12: 2.48 mi @ 9'00", 22'18"

11-13: 3.1 mi @ 8'29", 26'18, 153 hr

11-13: 2 mi @ 10'41", 21'23"

11-14: 13.1 @ 8'42", 1:54:04, 147 hr

11-15: 1.8 mi, 20 mi

11-15: 25 bike, 1:11:45, 226 watts, 143 hr

11-15: 1.86 mi @ 10'45", 20'00", 131 hr

45 runs in 45 days, 68.17 miles for November

 
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:shock: BasnBrew is killing it. I am jealous of those numbers.

An easy 2 miles for me today. I am following this runners world plan very strictly. Wednesday is my first speedwork in the plan. As I was running today I had to laugh at myself. It was not that long ago that I could not run a block and never dreamed I would run a 5k. Today as I was running I was wondering if it was worth it to do 2 miles like the plan called for. How things have changed mentally. :pickle:

 
:shock: BasnBrew is killing it. I am jealous of those numbers.An easy 2 miles for me today. I am following this runners world plan very strictly. Wednesday is my first speedwork in the plan. As I was running today I had to laugh at myself. It was not that long ago that I could not run a block and never dreamed I would run a 5k. Today as I was running I was wondering if it was worth it to do 2 miles like the plan called for. How things have changed mentally. :pickle:
Awesome. I love those reality check moments.
 
Hey guys! OK - it's race report time. Where gruecd went the "less is more" route, I went with more is more - it's long. Skip it completely or accept my apologies in advance.

I also want to say thank you to everyone who posted congratulations - I really appreciate it. This race was a very, very big deal to me. And the support I've gotten here has made all the difference.

OK - remember you were warned.

 
Race Report (Veterans Marathon 11/13/2010)

Pre-Race – Grue was kind enough to pick me up on Friday morning to drive the 3.5 hours to Columbia City, IN for the race. We stopped for some Chicago style pizza for lunch and headed out.

Once we checked in at the hotel we decided to drive the course. This was a good idea, and a really bad idea: Good, in that it eliminated any thoughts we had of the course being “relatively flat.” Bad in that the course is really hilly on the back ½, especially a 3.5 mile square section that included some gravel road. I think it got in our heads more than a little bit that it would be a tough challenge to meet our goals. Personally, up until that point I still thought maybe I could hit a 4 hr time, but after the drive I decided I’d be very happy with a 4:10 if I could do it.

We had dinner at a local family restaurant, had a couple of beers (once our 17 year old waitress found someone old enough to bring us the beer, that is) and relaxed at the hotel the rest of the night.

Morning – Up at 6:15 for coffee and oatmeal, out the door at just after 7. It was nice being so close to the race start, and with only 600 combined marathon & half-marathon racers, it was easy to get parked and grab some real estate in the Town Hall to stay warm and make one last bathroom stop before getting to the start line. I was very, very nervous right up until a few minutes before the cannon (yes, an actual cannon) signaled the start of the race. I’m always nervous, but this was worse than usual. Once we got to the start line, I just told myself “you can do this today,” and settled in. Temps were a pleasantly cool 50 degrees at the start.

Race Plan – My plan was to take the first mile a little slow to get settled in, then stay around 9:05 for as long as I could. I expected around mile 20 I’d have to slow down, especially given the hills in that section, and hoped to keep around 10’s from there to the end. That gave me a fair amount of leeway to sneak in below 4:10. I divided the race up into an initial 2 mile section, then 5x 4 mile sections through mile 22, and after that it would be mile-by-mile to the finish.

Section 1, miles 1 & 2 (2 miles): 9:15, 9:30 – 155bpm ave

The only section of the day that my Garmin said was significantly longer that it was supposed to be (2.05 miles). Slightly downhill and the small crowd separated out quickly. I noticed right away that the majority of the runners were already ahead of me. Didn’t matter – I wasn’t racing them. I was just racing me.

Section 2, miles 3-6 (4 miles): 9:10, 8:56, 9:04, 8:58 – 159bpm ave

A few small hills in this section, we headed east through a small business area then south into the corn fields and woods. I noticed 2 runners who were doing a run/walk routine, both probably tri-mans age. I’d pass them then they’d pass me. At some point I pulled ahead and never saw one of them again. Ditched my gloves by mile 4. Temps were very comfortable and it was nice running into the breeze. My pace felt easy and relaxed.

Section 3, miles 7-10 (4 miles): 9:09, 8:59, 9:03, 9:05 – 161bpm ave

Still rolling hills but slightly downhill overall, we headed west then cut sharply northeast to complete a triangle before joining back up with the road we’d previously taken south. There was a pig farm or something down there that smelled awful – and we had to pass its stench twice. Someone had also started burning leaves early at one spot. Gotta love farmland. I chatted with a guy for a bit about my Nathan belt, but he was going a little too fast for me so I dropped back. Turns out he was walking at every mile marker for 30 seconds or so then running to the next. We passed each other every mile until around mile 17 and encouraged/chatted each other up a bit. Turned out the guy (Brett) is also 39.

Section 4, miles 11-14 (4 miles): 9:10, 9:08, 9:07, 8:58 – 168bpm ave

Headed back into town for the ½ marathon finish then back out to the west for the next out & back section. After one particularly steep hill, Brett passed me and noted, “great knee lift on that hill!” Thanks, Tri-man – that was all you! I passed 13.1 in 1:59:27, #194 of the 271 marathon runners. Whatever – I felt good, the temps were still pleasant, and I was exactly where I had hoped to be. I also noted to myself that I was already ahead of my Chicago Marathon debacle pace. That felt pretty good!

Section 5, miles 15-18 (4 miles): 9:09, 9:11, 9:06, 9:25 – 172bpm ave

Pretty much straight west, miles 16-18 or so were and out-and-back section to a 3.5 mile square of ridiculous hills and some gravel road. Along that stretch I was passed by the leaders heading back towards town. I made sure to cheer for every one of them, most especially gruecd, who shook his head a bit to let me know that the 3 hr time had slipped away. Ironically, after running the same races 3 times before, this was the first time I had EVER seen gruecd running. Turns out the dude is pretty fast! It was great to slap 5 as we passed. But the fact that the hills had bitten grue didn’t make me feel any better about this section of the race. At mile 17 we hit a gravel road that we’d follow for the next mile until turning north. I hadn’t seen Brett for a while, but was still passing folks now and again – that felt very, very good! But my pace slowed on the gravel and I still had the hills ahead.

Section 6, miles 19-22 (4 miles): 9:59, 10:04, 10:16, 10:04 – 171bpm ave

The first 2.5 miles of this section completed a square and returned us to the main road – and it was tough! My Garmin says the 2 big hills were a 50-60 ft climb, which sounds like a lot less than it felt like, believe me! It was an effort to keep running, but I passed a handful of people in that 2.5 miles (and got passed by a couple, too). I’d slowed down a couple of miles earlier than I’d planned, but at this point I knew I was closing in on my PR and still had a shot at a 4:10.

Section 7, miles 23-24 (2 miles): 10:40, 11:17 – 171bpm ave

The slowest 2 individual miles of the day as we cut west, then north before the final 2 miles east into the city to the finish. I walked twice, maybe 3 times briefly. My legs hurt and I was tired but mentally I was doing OK. I was doing the math in my head and knew I had my PR in the bag and was going to accomplish what I’d set out to do. I passed a guy who was kneeling on the side of the road and asked him if he was OK (he nodded yes, so I kept going). All of the water stops were giving out Gu’s at this point, and even though I’d brought my own and didn’t want to eat any, I kept taking them… I mean, technically I paid for them, right??

This is probably a good place to talk about the fan support. For a tiny little race, there were a great number of people out cheering. It seemed like every water stop had 20 volunteers who shouted encouragement to the runners. Lots of people (oddly, all with little kids) came out of their homes to wave at the runners passing by. There was one couple I must have seen five different times as they moved from place to place cheering. Unlike Chicago, where the noise of 1.5 million people blurs together for me, I saw every one of the faces out cheering. I heard them say, “Great job! Keep it up!” And I made sure I said thank you and thanks for coming out to most of them. It felt personal in a way that the big races can’t. I thought that was pretty cool.

Mile 25 – 10:30 pace, 174bpm

Almost home. I told myself just get to the end of 25, then I’ll walk for a minute and run the rest of the way. Big hill on the back half of this mile. That seems a bit cruel…

Mile 26 – 10:14 pace, 177bpm ave

As I got close to finishing mile 25, I realized if I kept running I’d come under 4:10. But if I walked at all, I wouldn’t make it. Damn – gotta keep going! The first half of the mile dropped 50 ft, then climbed again about 60 feet on the last half mile. Now THAT is just plain rude. With about .4 miles to go overall, I passed Brett again. Dude was limping and had salt caked down both sides of his face – he looked awful. I patted his shoulder and said “Quarter mile to go!” …more or less, anyway. He acknowledged with an affirmative grunting noise and I picked up speed to the finish.

The last .2 – 8:26 pace, 185bpm

I had it. This distance has kicked my ### six times before, but this time – on the toughest course I’ve run – I win. I’m going to walk away from this race genuinely proud of my time. No “I wishes,” no “if only’s,” no excuses. And this was my victory lap. Then, with a couple hundred yards to go and just before the final turn, I saw gruecd among the (small) crowd, cheering for me. My friend, who I met on this board as he helped all of us internet strangers to be better runners, who on his bad days runs a BQ, is standing there cheering for ME. Simply awesome.

I crossed the finish line at 4:09:24:74, #153/271 overall, #194 on the front half and #144 on the back half. I thought that was really cool – even though I gave back 10 minutes on the back half, I passed 41 people. I couldn't have asked for a better race.

 
I grabbed The Long Run: A New York City Firefighter's Triumphant Comeback from Crash Victim to Elite Athlete

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Run-Firefighter...6232&sr=1-1

I got it at the library. Pretty good read so far. Kind of hard to read about the injuries. Makes it worse hearing about how excited he was to be training for Boston and hoping to make it to Kona.
I met him at the NYC Marathon expo last weekend. Terrific guy with an inspirational story.
 
#153/271 overall, #194 on the front half and #144 on the back half. I thought that was really cool – even though I gave back 10 minutes on the back half, I passed 41 people. I couldn't have asked for a better race.
:) Awesome job, wraith. Great back half on what sounds like a pretty rough course.
 
Great Race report and great race Wraith! You put in a great effort and it shows. I have not ran any of the big races like Chicago, but I will agree with you on the crowd support for smaller rades. The last one I did is considered smaller and the crowd support was just great. The people were so friendly and eager to cheer you on. Makes a big difference when out there running.

 
Awesome stuff, wraith! Congrats again!

It's amazing how much you recalled. I don't think I'd remember that much detail while also focusing on running too. Very cool... :lmao:

 
AWESOME race report Wraith :thumbup: Great to read the mental struggles and how you dealt with them. Too cool.

BnB: You are crushing it!

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My update:

My daughter had her 9th birthday party at a gymnastics place that allows you to play on various trampolines, obstacle courses and gymnastic apparati. I played like one of the 9 year olds for an hour and a half, and both my knee and my calf are hurting from it. I wouldn't have traded the time playing with my daughter, like a kid, for the world. I've likely set my training schedule back a bit more, as I'll need more recovery though. I did start a new lifting routine today, and might start P90x next week. I'll at least continue to swim once a week, to try to maintain the gains I've made. A little frustrating, but all in all, it's not a bad time of the year for me to be out.

 
pigskinliquors said:
My update:

My daughter had her 9th birthday party at a gymnastics place that allows you to play on various trampolines, obstacle courses and gymnastic apparati. I played like one of the 9 year olds for an hour and a half, and both my knee and my calf are hurting from it. I wouldn't have traded the time playing with my daughter, like a kid, for the world. I've likely set my training schedule back a bit more, as I'll need more recovery though. I did start a new lifting routine today, and might start P90x next week. I'll at least continue to swim once a week, to try to maintain the gains I've made. A little frustrating, but all in all, it's not a bad time of the year for me to be out.
DO IT Seriously. I'm here running today because I decided to do P90x to snap my fat### back into shape in February. I'm probably going to be doing a 2nd round of P90x over the winter. Check out the huge thread going in the FFA if you haven't already....___________________________________________

Something is seriously happening to me, in a good way. I'm tentative to even post this since I feel like I could be jinxing myself. :bag:

I chalked Sunday's 12 up to having a good day and didn't want to put too much stock into how well it went. Since Saturday's 3mi HMP run thru today, I've had a nice stretch of amazing runs where I think I may have broken through a plateau.

Today was a regular 4mi run and I wanted to make sure to hold back and take it easy. I just wanted to get the miles in and not risk injury or over-train. I went out nice and smooth and it took about a half mile to lose the sea legs. I was my usual wobbly self the day after a rest day and didn't really care one way or the other since every Tuesday has been like this since I can remember. However this time I quickly got comfortable and was shocked to find my 1st mile was 8:53. It felt like a 9:30. Huh, ok. Slow down I thought. 2nd mile - 8:39. OK WTF..... Long story short I clocked the 4.5 (I made a wrong turn that added 0.5mi - god I'm great for that) at a 8:34 pace. I was upset with myself for going that fast, until I looked at the data....

Each Tuesday I run the same route and adjust the turns based on the mileage on the schedule. Notice my avg HR:

11/02 - 5.5mi @ 9:08 avg HR 166 (wrong turn again haha)

11/09 - 5.0mi @ 8:48 avg HR 165

11/16 - 4.5mi @ 8:34 avg HR 156

:yawn:

 
Something is seriously happening to me, in a good way. I'm tentative to even post this since I feel like I could be jinxing myself. :bag:
I'll tell you what happened to you - you got rid of that training partner/ball and chain. Best thing that ever happend was him pulling up lame - dude was holding you back :lol: Your HM training and progress along the way has been very similar to mine - looking forward to seeing how you do. :yawn:
 
pigskinliquors said:
My update:

My daughter had her 9th birthday party at a gymnastics place that allows you to play on various trampolines, obstacle courses and gymnastic apparati. I played like one of the 9 year olds for an hour and a half, and both my knee and my calf are hurting from it. I wouldn't have traded the time playing with my daughter, like a kid, for the world. I've likely set my training schedule back a bit more, as I'll need more recovery though. I did start a new lifting routine today, and might start P90x next week. I'll at least continue to swim once a week, to try to maintain the gains I've made. A little frustrating, but all in all, it's not a bad time of the year for me to be out.
DO IT Seriously. I'm here running today because I decided to do P90x to snap my fat### back into shape in February. I'm probably going to be doing a 2nd round of P90x over the winter. Check out the huge thread going in the FFA if you haven't already....___________________________________________

Something is seriously happening to me, in a good way. I'm tentative to even post this since I feel like I could be jinxing myself. :bag:

I chalked Sunday's 12 up to having a good day and didn't want to put too much stock into how well it went. Since Saturday's 3mi HMP run thru today, I've had a nice stretch of amazing runs where I think I may have broken through a plateau.

Today was a regular 4mi run and I wanted to make sure to hold back and take it easy. I just wanted to get the miles in and not risk injury or over-train. I went out nice and smooth and it took about a half mile to lose the sea legs. I was my usual wobbly self the day after a rest day and didn't really care one way or the other since every Tuesday has been like this since I can remember. However this time I quickly got comfortable and was shocked to find my 1st mile was 8:53. It felt like a 9:30. Huh, ok. Slow down I thought. 2nd mile - 8:39. OK WTF..... Long story short I clocked the 4.5 (I made a wrong turn that added 0.5mi - god I'm great for that) at a 8:34 pace. I was upset with myself for going that fast, until I looked at the data....

Each Tuesday I run the same route and adjust the turns based on the mileage on the schedule. Notice my avg HR:

11/02 - 5.5mi @ 9:08 avg HR 166 (wrong turn again haha)

11/09 - 5.0mi @ 8:48 avg HR 165

11/16 - 4.5mi @ 8:34 avg HR 156

:unsure:
That is not just a nice break thru, it's GREAT.
 
wraith5 said:
Race Report (Veterans Marathon 11/13/2010)

Pre-Race – Grue was kind enough to pick me up on Friday morning to drive the 3.5 hours to Columbia City, IN for the race. We stopped for some Chicago style pizza for lunch and headed out.

Once we checked in at the hotel we decided to drive the course. This was a good idea, and a really bad idea: Good, in that it eliminated any thoughts we had of the course being “relatively flat.” Bad in that the course is really hilly on the back ½, especially a 3.5 mile square section that included some gravel road. I think it got in our heads more than a little bit that it would be a tough challenge to meet our goals. Personally, up until that point I still thought maybe I could hit a 4 hr time, but after the drive I decided I’d be very happy with a 4:10 if I could do it.

We had dinner at a local family restaurant, had a couple of beers (once our 17 year old waitress found someone old enough to bring us the beer, that is) and relaxed at the hotel the rest of the night.

This distance has kicked my ### six times before, but this time – on the toughest course I’ve run – I win. I’m going to walk away from this race genuinely proud of my time. No “I wishes,” no “if only’s,” no excuses. And this was my victory lap. Then, with a couple hundred yards to go and just before the final turn, I saw gruecd among the (small) crowd, cheering for me. My friend, who I met on this board as he helped all of us internet strangers to be better runners, who on his bad days runs a BQ, is standing there cheering for ME. Simply awesome.

I crossed the finish line at 4:09:24:74, #153/271 overall, #194 on the front half and #144 on the back half. I thought that was really cool – even though I gave back 10 minutes on the back half, I passed 41 people. I couldn't have asked for a better race.
Wraith - First of all, congrats on owning this distance. You guys are actually getting me to consider this distance, but I'm still not sure if I'm up for the punishment. Nicely excuted plan and awesome write up. It's really cool that you and Gru did this together. What's next???Gru and Wraith - Serious question for you guys. Why the pizza and beer the day before a race? My gut would give away the fact that I like to indulge, but the day before a race I try to optimize my fuel intake and give the body from processing stuff that it doesn't need. Why not double up the night after? Lastly, do the gravel sections slow you down and if so, how much?

 
20 mins and 1.8 mi on the treadmill today and now my right heel feels like it's bruised. What am I dealing with here and how did it happen?

Followed up the run with 18 miles on the indoor bike at 226 watts which took a little over an hour.

 
BnB and Ned - great runs! Way to go.

Wraith - inspiring report. Thanks for sharing, and congrats again! What a great feeling to be bringing it home at the end of a marathon, knowing you've accomplished your goal!! I hear you about the crowd support at smaller races ...it's much more intimate. That's why I had so much fun at my BIL's marathon in Grand Rapids ...I ended up seeing the same folks who were running 5-10 minutes in front of him and cheer them on, too. At mile 25, I was in a lonely spot off the edge of downtown and my cheers were very personal - it was just me and the runners. I love that part. Anyway, way to go, bud! Give yourself some rest!!!! (You too, grue!)

 
Wow so much good stuff in here!!!!!

Great report Wraith, I got misty reading it. I am a softy though.

Ned - WTF that is great. I wonder if a switch for HR can flip like that. Anyway who cares, that is damn impressive.

Today was a cross train for me. I did weights and stationary bike. Tomorrow is my first speed work on my plan.

I saw on Facebook that Matt Long was coming to Arizona. I am trying to find out if it is a speaking engagement or book signing. I would like to meet him and hear him talk. The book is killing me. Like I said I am a softy. :rolleyes:

 
Looks like Matt Long will be in Phoenix tomorrow. No mention of Tucson :bag:

I friended him on face book. He has a fun wall to read. Lots of inspired folks there.

 
Thanks again to all of you guys for the congrats and positive comments about my RR - tri-man, FUBAR, Ivan, BnB, prosopis, Darrin, Sand, gruecd, pmb, Workhorse, Nigel, Ned, PSL, 2Y... I hope I didn't miss anyone - thank you!!

Ned - I used the Garmin data (including GPS and elevation) and my Ironman watch splits to help visualize the course when I wrote the report. Normally, I lose details quickly if I retain them at all. But I wanted to make sure I documented this one in a way that I could read years from now and still enjoy.

pmb & tri-man - I couldn't agree more about the smaller races! It's funny, years ago a friend of mine ran the Mount Rushmore marathon with like 800 people. At the time, I made the comment that "Running Chicago is running an event - running a race like that is running 26.2 miles almost by yourself." I was technically right, but I was on the wrong side of the argument. I'm not sure I'll run "event" races much anymore because I enjoyed Veterans so much.

BnB - the pizza was partially because grue can't get good pizza up north like we can in Chicago, so it was a bit of a treat. But I rationalized it as carb and sodium loading, knowing we were going to have a lighter dinner that night (we both had big spaghetti dinners on Thurs night). The beer, for me, was enjoying good company and relaxing the night before the race. I had 3 Miller Lites total, then switched to water & Gatorade the rest of the night. Honestly I think you're more disciplined than I am about these things!

Regarding running on the gravel, I definitely think it slowed me down a bit. It's hard to pin down specifics because I was starting to slow down anyway, but it definitely contributed. I just didn't get the same push with each step that I do on asphalt.

Finally, "what's next?" - I have no idea. Even though my muscles are mostly recovered or close to it, I messed something up in my right ankle that still hurts like hell. It's just below the ankle bone on the left (inside) part of the ankle. If I flex my ankle up or down, it really hurts. It's tender to the touch and hurts when I walk. I've been icing it but it doesn't seem to be helping. My chiro even adjusted my ankle today with no effect (so far). I'll give it a few more days of rest and if it isn't getting better I'll go to the doc.

I'm definitely thinking about a spring marathon (Most likely the Wisconsin Marathon as of now) but I'm not set on it. For the next couple of months I'll go into off-season mode and spend some time swimming, biking and running (probably shorter distances) until I decide. I'm already signed up for the Soldier Field 10 miler for Memorial Day weekend and intend to go sub 8s (current PR is 79:59). After that, it'll be triathlons until Bourbon.

 
N00B question for you running experts.

I ran 3.5 miles this morning on my treadmill, and then consumed a large amount of water, two bananas and hit the couch for some t.v. About an hour in, my wife begs me to run with her outside for her run (3 miles) and I begrudgingly accept. It was a tough run...stomach cramps and constant head wind but I pulled it off.

I now have an irritating pain above my left knee cap (runners knee??) that is noticeable coming down the stairs.

I am guessing running that second time after only having an hour to recover has something to do with my knee pain and probably wasn't the best idea?? My shoes are a good pair of Saucony's that were fitted at a running store ($100.00).

 
Great work in here guys. I am still battling my head cold, but plan on getting out for 5 today at work then possibly 8 more later tonight before I get to bed.

We will see on that though as I don't want to weaken my body so much that I stay sick.

Also signed up for the Cincinnati Turkey Trot (10K) and will be running that next week. I need to get a little speed work in before then so that I can see what I can do, but my legs are feeling great so they will not be the problem, but my lungs.

Have a great day all.

 
Rodeojones said:
N00B question for you running experts.I ran 3.5 miles this morning on my treadmill, and then consumed a large amount of water, two bananas and hit the couch for some t.v. About an hour in, my wife begs me to run with her outside for her run (3 miles) and I begrudgingly accept. It was a tough run...stomach cramps and constant head wind but I pulled it off.I now have an irritating pain above my left knee cap (runners knee??) that is noticeable coming down the stairs. I am guessing running that second time after only having an hour to recover has something to do with my knee pain and probably wasn't the best idea?? My shoes are a good pair of Saucony's that were fitted at a running store ($100.00).
I doubt it was the 2nd run that did it since I believe runner's knee is a cumulative effect.Ice, rest, and a knee strap did wonders for me and runner's knee. It's still tender at times, but it hasn't affected me running at all.
 
Sand said:
Today was a cross train for me. I did weights and stationary bike.
So which one of
:lmao: I think the girl at the end in all black is Furley :lmao: ;) Rodeojones: Welcome to the thread! Yep, you are most likely dealing with runner's knee (Chondromalacia). I have it right now, and it sucks. IF going downstairs hurts more than upstairs, it almost certainly is. You unfortunately need to take some time off (4 weeks'ish), should look into a knee strap like Ned suggested, and might consider getting on Glucosamine-Chondroitin. Having it SUX!

Ned: Waaaaaay cool to see your progress. Stories like yours keep this thread alive and well :confused:

pmbrown: getting some miles in is great. Hope you feel better soon.

Wraith/BnB/Grue: I don't think too much about what I eat/drink the night before a race as long as it is in moderation. I do make sure I carb load two nights before though; and make sure I hydrate for three days straight before a race.

Compression Sox People: I found this article which suggest to NOT wear compression during training, but to wear it for recovery and for races. Interesting.

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My Update:

I'm looking at totally changing my race schedule, as I don't think trying to train for a marathon in 10/11 weeks, after 4 weeks off is conducive to my health, or to a BQ. I'm thinking about instead signing up for a March half marathon (our local one), and then doing Galveston's HIM five weeks later. In my head it makes more sense, but my heart reeeeeaaaaaaaally wants to try to BQ this year.

 
I've enjoyed reading the race reports lately. Great job gru and wraith toughing it out on a difficult course. Running on "gravel?" - I thought that only happened in Arkansas!

As for me, I'm in week 4 of 20 for my marathon training. Having never trained for a marathon before, the mileage is starting to pick up for me. Considering I didn't get above 25 miles per week (with nearly half of that coming on the long run) in the past, this is new territory.

Did 7 Sunday, 5 Tuesday, 8 this morning, and am going to try to get in 7 in the morning (actually scheduled for Friday) before flying to DC Friday morning. Looking forward to doing my long run on Sunday in DC. ;)

 
My first race of 2011 will be the Snickers Half-Marathon (again) in Albany, GA. I'm going to try to break 1:37 and use that training as a springboard for a Fall '11 BQ attempt.

 
For my wife's b-day last week I bought her (us :lmao: ) the Garmin 405 CX and have used it on my last few runs. Wow - it adds a whole new level of interest/addiction/analysis/fun to this. I've never paid any attention to heart rate or elevation changes and never really had a good record of splits unless I happened to look at my crappy watch at the right times and then managed to remember what the times were afterwards. Anyway, I know most of you guys seem to have them but I'm like a giddy kid with a new toy. Only problem is it's not technically mine, so she has first dibs on it. She thinks it's ridiculous for me to get my own, but damn it, I want it for all my runs. Anyone else have to share theirs? :lmao:

I've had some solid runs the past few days. I did 6 on Sat, averaged 7:48s with the last three combined being about a minute less than the first three. Took Sunday off, did kind of an easy 24:00 min treadmill 3 miler on Monday, then took the Garmin to work yesterday and knocked this out:

1 00:07:44 1.00 07:44

2 00:07:27 1.00 07:27

3 00:07:16 1.00 07:16

4 00:07:50 1.00 07:49

Summary 00:30:19 4.00 07:34

avg hr 166

max 177

The route was super flat. My intent heading out was to go easy on the first and last miles, with a hard two in between. My first was much faster than intended, and then I felt good and decided to push the last a bit more than I planned. During the run I also noted when I hit the 5K mark to see where I am as far as hitting the sub 23:00 goal I've set for my race 12/19, I was at 23:19. The race course is much hillier but I'm feeling pretty good about where I am. I might even try to jump in a Thanksgiving morning 5K for a test run.

 
Sorry I haven’t checked in lately. Miss a few days and you are faced with having to either ignore a bunch of incredible results, or dedicate yourself to 30+ minutes of catching up.

Let me start by giving the biggest possible shout out to two of this threads stalwarts, a couple of great guys who are unbelievably generous with their support and advice, who finished their racing season with a great joint effort: None_more_black and Melvin T Scupper.

Just kidding.

Of course I’m talking about Grue and Wraith. Great job on what sounds like a very tough course. Grue, I’m sorry that you didn’t break 3:00 this year, but I’m also glad because it means I will get to follow you through your training next year when I know you will blow it away.

Wraith – I’m so friggin happy for you to finally crank out the marathon you deserve. An 18-minute PR on a tough course? Awesome! Get that ankle better – even better races lie ahead.

And what a great Race Report. Totally inspirational. Now that I’ve run the MCM with 30,000 and run an HM with 400 runners, I might never do another run with more than 1,000 racers (um, except for that race they have up in Boston every April). I just love the feeling of the smaller races.

Darrin – glad to hear you’re back at it. Keep up the good work!

Prosopis – you are really doing well. Glad you are finally getting to cash in a little on the weather. If you ever go on vacation somewhere cool, you might just be amazed what kind of running you’re now capable of.

Ned – you’re going to kill that HM. Your progress has been fantastic. Have a great race and be ready to get goaded into signing up for a full marathon shortly after you share your RR. Just remember: don’t go out too fast. You can’t do anything in the first mile or two that guarantees a good race, but you can do something that guarantees a bad one.

PMB –good to hear you are cranking out the miles again. Hope your cold goes away. Also – I sent the $100 Bourbon Chase check this a.m.

BnB – great job on running 13 miles in less than two hours. Like you, I’m not a real thirsty runner, but you really might want to think about drinking 4-6 oz. of sports drink at miles 4 and 8 if you’re going to run that far that fast.

Third – awesome to hear about your marathon training. Like you, as I stepped up the mileage during my first training cycle, I was really nervous about getting hurt as the record distances built up on my legs. I can’t stress strongly enough that you should just focus on adding the mileage, and don’t try to add speed at the same time. If you just do your program, run all the miles it calls for, and don’t risk injury by running too fast on tired legs, you will be amazed at the adaptations your body makes to enable you to run a marathon successfully.

Workhorse – sounds like a great 2011 plan. I’m hoping we can both be in Boston in 2012.

Speaking of which, PSL – sorry to hear you’re hurting. You know I want you on the Boston bus. But it’s really smart not to chase a full marathon at an ambitious pace if it’s not there because of injury.

Nigel – great runs. And you’re right, the Garmin is unreal. I’m not even a “math” guy and it has me fascinated. I’m on the verge of creating multiple spreadsheets where I can track my runs by distance, by HR, by pace, etc.

BTW, if you can do a 6-mile training run at 7:48, I think you will blow away a 23:00 5k. Remind me, are you in Boston? I’m going there to my mother-in-law’s for Thanksgiving and was thinking about doing a 5K in Brighton on Thanksgiving morning. Let me know if you’re doing a race – maybe I’ll join you.

Part of the reason I’ve been absent from this thread in recent days is because of how lame my running has been since the Marathon. Took another unscheduled rest day yesterday instead of hauling my butt out of bed into the dark and rain. Between my legs being so fried, the loss of a goal to train for, and the decreasing hours of daylight, I find myself struggling for motivation.

But I managed to get out for 5 miles this a.m. and it was clearly the best my legs have felt since the race. I did 5 at what turned out to be 8:01 pace – it was definitely an effort, but my HR and time were pretty much exactly in line with a 5-miler I did three weeks before the marathon.

I’m hoping to get past 20 miles this week, to 30 miles by the end of next week, and then get to and maintain 40 miles per week for December before starting another 18-week marathon training cycle in mid-January.

 
BTW, if you can do a 6-mile training run at 7:48, I think you will blow away a 23:00 5k. Remind me, are you in Boston? I’m going there to my mother-in-law’s for Thanksgiving and was thinking about doing a 5K in Brighton on Thanksgiving morning. Let me know if you’re doing a race – maybe I’ll join you.
Yeah, I'm in Arlington. I'll probably do the 5K in Watertown run out of Donohues. Let me know if you're up for it.
 
BTW, if you can do a 6-mile training run at 7:48, I think you will blow away a 23:00 5k. Remind me, are you in Boston? I’m going there to my mother-in-law’s for Thanksgiving and was thinking about doing a 5K in Brighton on Thanksgiving morning. Let me know if you’re doing a race – maybe I’ll join you.
Yeah, I'm in Arlington. I'll probably do the 5K in Watertown run out of Donohues. Let me know if you're up for it.
That looks great. Just 2 or 3 miles from my MIL's. I might even be able to jog over there as a warm-up. Let me check with my wife (she might want to do it also) and I'll let you know tomorrow. But I'm probably in.
 
PMB –good to hear you are cranking out the miles again. Hope your cold goes away. Also – I sent the $100 Bourbon Chase check this a.m.
Miles are coming few and far between, but I will get there. I will look for the check. I was getting ready to send out an APB for you to make sure you were still around.Still waiting to get something/hear something from Dexter on money. He said he was sending back on the 12th, but I have not received/heard anything from him since.

 
PMB –good to hear you are cranking out the miles again. Hope your cold goes away. Also – I sent the $100 Bourbon Chase check this a.m.
Miles are coming few and far between, but I will get there. I will look for the check. I was getting ready to send out an APB for you to make sure you were still around.Still waiting to get something/hear something from Dexter on money. He said he was sending back on the 12th, but I have not received/heard anything from him since.
So we're 11/12 on the money right now? That's actually pretty good. :moneybag: Is your friend definitely the 12th guy?

 
BTW, if you can do a 6-mile training run at 7:48, I think you will blow away a 23:00 5k. Remind me, are you in Boston? I’m going there to my mother-in-law’s for Thanksgiving and was thinking about doing a 5K in Brighton on Thanksgiving morning. Let me know if you’re doing a race – maybe I’ll join you.
Yeah, I'm in Arlington. I'll probably do the 5K in Watertown run out of Donohues. Let me know if you're up for it.
That looks great. Just 2 or 3 miles from my MIL's. I might even be able to jog over there as a warm-up. Let me check with my wife (she might want to do it also) and I'll let you know tomorrow. But I'm probably in.
cool - potentially my 2nd cornhole, I promise to be gentle :unsure:
 
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I have no idea why my other account is closed until 11/23. I can only assume it is an error. It is really annoying though.

Prosopis report- Did 5 miles speed work today. It went really well 2 x 1600 with 800 jogs and 1 mile warm up and cool down. I was definatelly taxed doing this but I never had to walk. I am really liking the structure of the 1/2 training program.

Hopefully I can stay in here with this account unitl 11/23 if not I will see you then. If anyone has any clue as to why my account was suspended I am all ears.

 
Yeesh, I haven't been here in about a year??!! :thumbup: Time sure flies when you're having fun...or not. lol

Trained for and ran the inaugural Mankato (MN) Marathon on Oct 23, and that's about it on this end. Ran an ok-for-me 4:46:45, slowed and beat up by some killer hills. Fortunately I trained on some hills, or I might still be out on the course. :)

Getting fairly well-settled into my new hometown, learning my way around, been here two years now.

I'll try not to be such a stranger anymore. :blackdot:

 

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