Ran a 10k in June (8 Viewers)

[Nigel]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

 

[Ned]

I'm planning to ask for a Garmin for Xmas. With the winter marathon training, I need to get better data. I expect to be training much more on unfamiliar routes (trails; hilly neighborhoods), so I need distance tracking. The HRM will be beneficial also to help keep my slow runs slow. The Garmin price on Amazon as linked above looks good. That model is still a very good product, right?

The 305 is awesome. I've been using it 5 x a week since May, and I only just started getting the notice that the memory is getting full and I need to delete older runs. I hear it's also good for biking, though I wouldn't know. I can't remember a product I've been more satisfied with. If there are any negatives, it's that it's a little big and dorky looking, and sometimes it takes a couple of minutes to acquire the satellites, but those are very minor quibbles.

If you're uploading your data somewhere to a PC, it seems to acquire the satellite signal much faster with a clean memory. I wipe mine out weekly since I'm uploading to the training center.

 

[The_Man]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

 

[Ned]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

I've talked to my wife about you guys more than I should really admit.

 

[Nigel]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

I'm with you on the private iLife. My wife decided the morning will be too hectic for her to run, so thankfully I'm going solo. I'm happy to play it coy if you'd like - we could just arrange to share a nod or a subtle fist bump. What kind of time does she expect to run? Enough of a gap where we could pound one before she finishes?

 

[2Young2BBald]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

I'm with you on the private iLife. My wife decided the morning will be too hectic for her to run, so thankfully I'm going solo. I'm happy to play it coy if you'd like - we could just arrange to share a nod or a subtle fist bump. What kind of time does she expect to run? Enough of a gap where we could pound one before she finishes?

Or, you could introduce your wife to the guys in cornhole fashion like I did a find out that they are much more fond of her than they are of me :X

 

[Ned]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

I'm with you on the private iLife. My wife decided the morning will be too hectic for her to run, so thankfully I'm going solo. I'm happy to play it coy if you'd like - we could just arrange to share a nod or a subtle fist bump slap on the ###. What kind of time does she expect to run? Enough of a gap where we could pound one before she finishes?

Fixed.

 

[The_Man]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

I'm with you on the private iLife. My wife decided the morning will be too hectic for her to run, so thankfully I'm going solo. I'm happy to play it coy if you'd like - we could just arrange to share a nod or a subtle fist bump. What kind of time does she expect to run? Enough of a gap where we could pound one before she finishes?

I'll probably fill her in during the loonnng drive tomorrow. That being said, I'm shooting for 20 and she probably won't break 30, so there should be ample time for beverages.

 

[tri-man 47]

Or, you could introduce your wife to the guys in cornhole fashion like I did a find out that they are much more fond of her than they are of me

I've also met your wonderful children and your best buddies. So from my perspective, you've got a whole trifecta of fondness working against you.

 

[BassNBrew]

10-1: 3.1 mi @ 8'16", 25'40", 150 hr 10-2: 3.3 mi, 30'55", 134 hr + 22 mi bike 10-3: 5.6 mi @ 7'44" (gps was off), 43'24", 138 hr 10-4: off 10-5: 3.1 mi @ 8'09", 25'02", 140 hr 10-6: 3.1 mi @ 9'09", 28'40", 127 hr 10-7: 4 mi @ 9'40", 38'43", 140 hr

10-8: 3.5 mi @ 9'31", 33'20", 130 hr 10-9: 2.2 mi @ 9'00", 20'00", 135 hr 10-10: 3.1 mi @ 8'54", 27'36", 141 hr AND 3.2 mi @ 8'47", 141 hr 10-11: 9.0 mi @ 8'59", 1:20'43", 138 hr 10-12: 3.21 @ 9'38", 30'56", 131 hr 10-12: 4 mi @ 8'24", 33'35", 142 hr 10-13: 3.1 @ 9'58", 30'49", 132 hr 10-14: 22 mi bike ride + 3.31 mi @ 9'15", 30'36", 136 hr 10-15: 3 mi @ 8'42", 26'10", 140 hr 10-16: 2.14 mi @ 9'43", 20'42", 140 hr 10-17: 3 mi @ 9'27", 28'21", 134 hr 10-18: 4 mi @ 8'39", 34'35", 131 hr 10-18: 2 mi @ 10'32", 21'03", 120 hr 10-19: 3.5 mi @ 9'45", 34'08", 128 hr 10-20: off 10-21: 15 mi bike ride, 5 min run which doesn't count 10-22: 3.11 mi @ 7'43", 23'58", 150 hr 10-23: 2.76 mi @ 8'5", 24'31", 132 hr plus 38 mi bike ride 10-24: 2 mi @ 10'00" and 4.5 mi @ 8'36", 38'43", 134 hr 10-25: 2.6 mi @ 10'23", 27'00", 123 hr 10-26: 3 mi @ 9'20", 27'58", 124 hr 10-27: 3.1 mi @ 8'25", 26'02", 139 hr 10-28: off 10-29: 2.55 mi @ 7'51", 20'00", 145 hr 10-30: off 10-31: off 29 runs in 31 days, 96.97 miles for October 11-1: 3.1 mi @ 7'45", 23'58", 147 hr 11-2: 7.0 mi @ 8'16", 57'53", 144 hr 11-3: 5.49 mi @ 9'21", 51'25", 147 hr - trail run 11-4: 2.0 mi @ 10'00", 114 hr 11-5: 10.01 mi @ 8'53", 1:28'53", 138 hr 11-6: 5 mi @ 9'02", 45'08", 139 hr - trail run 11-6: 2 mi @ 10'29", 20'55", 124 hr 11-7: 2.26 mi @ 9'11", 20'42", 139 hr 11-8: 3.1 mi @ 8'23", 25'56", 144 hr followed by 11-8: 22.4 mi computrainer bike ride, 1:01'28, 256 average watts, 151 hr 11-8: 1.87 mi, 20 min 11-9: off 11-10: 2 mi @ 10'00", 20'00" 11-11: off 11-12: 2.48 mi @ 9'00", 22'18" 11-13: 3.1 mi @ 8'29", 26'18, 153 hr 11-13: 2 mi @ 10'41", 21'23" 11-14: 13.1 @ 8'42", 1:54:04, 147 hr 11-15: 1.8 mi, 20 mi 11-15: 25 bike, 1:11:45, 226 watts, 143 hr 11-15: 1.86 mi @ 10'45", 20'00", 131 hr 11-16: 2.2 mi, 21'31", 123 hr 11-16: 18 mi computrainer bike, 1:06:32, 136 hr 11-17: 7.01 mi @ 8'59", 1:02:52, 132 hr 11-18: 2.1 mi, 20'00", 119 hr 11-18: 18 mi computrainer bike, 56'12", 256 watts, 136 hr

11-19: off

11-20: 3.2 mi @ 8'44", 27'55", 139 hr and 2.5 mi @ 8'49", 22'06", hr 138

11-21: 2.17 mi @ 9'15", 20'05", 125 hr

11-22: 20.3 mi computrainer bike ride, 56'26", 258 average watts, 153 hr

11-23: 2.1 mi @ 9'50", 20'00", 120 hr and 2.65 mi @ 9'13", 24'50", 140 hr and 21.6 mi computrainer bike ride, 59'55", 233 average watts, 144 hr

54 runs in 54 days, 92.1 miles for November

Went hard on the bike yesterday. It hurt and that was frustrating but this time last year I was struggling to post 258 watts over 20 minutes in road position. On this ride I did the first 10 miles in aero at 250 watts and rode the balance in road position. I think I was at 276 watts (FTP - one hour) at my peak last summer so I'm very happy being at 93% of this number given that I've done less than 10 rides since mid August. 100 runs in 100 days is definately keeping my bike numbers relatively in tact during the off season. I will continue biking at least two days a week indoors with a goal of being at 260 watts for an hour in aero postion by the end of 100 in 100. From there I'll add in interval/tempo work on the bike with a goal of 270 watt FTP by race season.

 

[Sand]

OK now I know I'm addicted. I'm sitting here in pain (quads), but I'm already contemplating another race...

I doubt you will hurt yourself, but don't be surprised if you are still recovering and don't run nearly as well as you did on Sunday. The rule of thumb - which I've found true for my 40-year-old bones - is it takes one day for every mile raced until you're recovered. For the HM I did in September, it was probably like 10 days, but I found a definite impact on my ability to run.Just have fun and be prepared to take it a little easy.

I use the one-day-for-every-hour-raced logic, and that's been fine for these AARP bones.---

I'm planning to ask for a Garmin for Xmas. With the winter marathon training, I need to get better data. I expect to be training much more on unfamiliar routes (trails; hilly neighborhoods), so I need distance tracking. The HRM will be beneficial also to help keep my slow runs slow. The Garmin price on Amazon as linked above looks good. That model is still a very good product, right?

The 305 is great and all (except the old clip design they used for the bike mount - don't use that!), but really don't you want the watch for triathletes? Multisport modes, water resistance, GPS in the water, and ANT+ power capability? It is calling for you. You know you want it.

 

[Ned]

Alright.... It didn't take me long to realize I have to do this marathon thing. I realized I was looking for reasons to NOT do it and wasn't doing a very good job of that. So it's on...

The Delaware Marathon is on 5/15/11 - 173 days from today. More than enough time to get ready. I've been looking at training programs today and have been interested in the Higdon Intermediate I or II and the Pfitz 18/55. Any of the pros here have good/bad things to say about these programs? Y'all also know me well enough now to maybe know what I could/couldn't handle.

Higdon seems to really hype up his Intermediate I/II as being pretty difficult, but knowing how he hyped up his Intermediate HM plan, I am taking that with a grain of salt. I haven't read much about Pfitz yet other than looking at the calendar. All of the plans so far are 18 weeks, so that gives me a start date of 1/9/11 leaving 47 days from today to fart around and get more of a base mileage built up. That has to factor into what training plan I attack as well.

I am going to go out for a super easy 3 tomorrow to see how the legs feel (quads are still a bit sore today). If I feel OK and it's not raining on Thursday, I'm going to take a stab at the Turkey trot (10k) with my old boss and have some fun.

 

[jmcc]

5 miles today and I pronounce myself officially recovered from the marathon - 23 days for me. Felt great and did 5 miles at 7:46 pace overall, constantly increasing my speed each mile, finishing with a 7:06 mile. If I'd known I was running that fast, I would have gone a little faster and broken 7 - I get a star on my chart every time I run a mile under 7:00.

So you resting today and tomorrow? I ran four pretty hard ones yesterday and planned to rest two days before the 5K, but it's 64 degrees out and I kind of feel like it's a shame not to get out there.eta: never mind - I see that you ran today, was thinking it was yesterday. Carry on....

I'll probably jog a couple of miles tomorrow to shake out the 400-mile drive. We also need to coordinate our cornhole. My wife is going to run as well, which adds another layer - she is pretty much unaware of my iLife, so I'm going to have to bring her up to speed on why I have a big group of running friends from a fantasy football message board. Fortunately, she is aware that she married a giant dork, so it shouldn't be too hard to explain.

I'm with you on the private iLife. My wife decided the morning will be too hectic for her to run, so thankfully I'm going solo. I'm happy to play it coy if you'd like - we could just arrange to share a nod or a subtle fist bump. What kind of time does she expect to run? Enough of a gap where we could pound one before she finishes?

Or, you could introduce your wife to the guys in cornhole fashion like I did a find out that they are much more fond of her than they are of me

 

[2Young2BBald]

Or, you could introduce your wife to the guys in cornhole fashion like I did a find out that they are much more fond of her than they are of me

I've also met your wonderful children and your best buddies. So from my perspective, you've got a whole trifecta of fondness working against you.

I 'cuz its true! Good reminder that I am a damn lucky guy and have lots to give thanks for!

 

[BassNBrew]

What's you "MOTIVE"vation for 2011?

 

[tri-man 47]

The 305 is great and all (except the old clip design they used for the bike mount - don't use that!), but really don't you want the watch for triathletes? Multisport modes, water resistance, GPS in the water, and ANT+ power capability?

It is calling for you. You know you want it.

I have a Trek gadget on my bike for distance and pacing, and I'm not too interested in getting that detail-crazy in the water. I won't be doing the longer tri's for the next 2-3 three years due to the heavy workload of my doctorate. So for now, I just need the extra help for my run training. But I'll check out the 'better' brands. I do think the 305 might suffice, and I can get something slicker and with the newest technology in a few years. (Good Lord, my mind just flashed ahead to the 60-64 bracket )---

Ned - I've used Higdon for my marathons, and the program works fine. A couple of the guys here like Pfitz, I know. But really, it's a matter of:

- figuring out how many miles/week you can handle and manage time-wise. The more ya do, the better ya get (see cd:grue)

- getting in a few of the long runs

- building in some tempo runs to keep some speed and pacing

- doing strength work and hill training to build the legs (I'd add squats/lunges, of course)

- giving yourself recovery weeks

For me, it's hard to be too rigid because life gets in the way. Ultimately, I just run.

 

[wraith5]

no broken bones in my foot/ankle, so that's good news. If it's still hurting next week I'll have to get a bone density scan to look for stress fractures.

The flu (or some similar virus) made its way through our house the past few days, so yesterday & today I was pretty much down for the count. Feeling better now so I'm hoping to get a short run in on Thanksgiving.

 

[Sand]

What's you "MOTIVE"vation for 2011?

My motivation is pic 9. I could smoke Bekele chasing that.

 

[Sand]

I do think the 305 might suffice, and I can get something slicker and with the newest technology in a few years. (Good Lord, my mind just flashed ahead to the 60-64 bracket )

Sounds good. I hear they're working on electronic walk assist, so you'll be good to go a bit down the road.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So the forecast for our local turkey trot is 4 degrees (-13 wind chill) at the start. We were going to all do this as a family, but neither of our kids really has appropriate gear for these conditions, so we may have to have a change of plans. We're supposed to get snow and freezing rain today, and if that's the case I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up getting cancelled due to the roads being unsafe for running.

Regardless, I'm going to make this an unscheduled day on and get in 5 miles later this afternoon. This was going to be a SDO with the 5K tomorrow, but I'd say it's less than 50% that we'll end up running the race. If we do, oh well at least I got in an extra run this week.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Alright.... It didn't take me long to realize I have to do this marathon thing. I realized I was looking for reasons to NOT do it and wasn't doing a very good job of that. So it's on... The Delaware Marathon is on 5/15/11 - 173 days from today. More than enough time to get ready. I've been looking at training programs today and have been interested in the Higdon Intermediate I or II and the Pfitz 18/55. Any of the pros here have good/bad things to say about these programs? Y'all also know me well enough now to maybe know what I could/couldn't handle. Higdon seems to really hype up his Intermediate I/II as being pretty difficult, but knowing how he hyped up his Intermediate HM plan, I am taking that with a grain of salt. I haven't read much about Pfitz yet other than looking at the calendar. All of the plans so far are 18 weeks, so that gives me a start date of 1/9/11 leaving 47 days from today to fart around and get more of a base mileage built up. That has to factor into what training plan I attack as well.I am going to go out for a super easy 3 tomorrow to see how the legs feel (quads are still a bit sore today). If I feel OK and it's not raining on Thursday, I'm going to take a stab at the Turkey trot (10k) with my old boss and have some fun.

I have done all three of these plans (18/70 pfitz for me though) and they are very different. I will add to what Tri-Man said with this. It also may depend on what you are looking to get out of the race. From your HM experience it seems like you handled the distances and training fairly well. Having said that, the Marathon is a completely different animal. My personal opinion on this is that you should use the Higdon Intermediate II plan and "try out" the distances to see if you like them or not. That program is not as stressful to the Pfitz programs and will get you through the race pretty easily. The other thing with doing the training in general is that you may tackle your first 18 miler or 20 miler and say "this is not for me" so the Higdon plan, IMHO, eases you into it a little bit more than the Pfitz. I felt like the Pfitz threw you into the heavy stuff right away that may turn you off as a first timer.Hopefully this helps some. Let me know if you have any more questions.----------------Nothing for me the last two days. I was resting my calf up which seems to have been just a bit of over work on my part. Back to normal today and I will run a few shake out miles this afternoon. Tomorrow is supposed to be a Turkey Trot 10K for me, but it is supposed to be raining so I may not do it. Just donate my money instead.Have a great Turkey day tomorrow.

 

[tri-man 47]

I do think the 305 might suffice, and I can get something slicker and with the newest technology in a few years. (Good Lord, my mind just flashed ahead to the 60-64 bracket )

Sounds good. I hear they're working on electronic walk assist, so you'll be good to go a bit down the road.

GarminCaneTM? Awesome!

 

[wraith5]

Alright.... It didn't take me long to realize I have to do this marathon thing. I realized I was looking for reasons to NOT do it and wasn't doing a very good job of that. So it's on... The Delaware Marathon is on 5/15/11 - 173 days from today. More than enough time to get ready. I've been looking at training programs today and have been interested in the Higdon Intermediate I or II and the Pfitz 18/55. Any of the pros here have good/bad things to say about these programs? Y'all also know me well enough now to maybe know what I could/couldn't handle. Higdon seems to really hype up his Intermediate I/II as being pretty difficult, but knowing how he hyped up his Intermediate HM plan, I am taking that with a grain of salt. I haven't read much about Pfitz yet other than looking at the calendar. All of the plans so far are 18 weeks, so that gives me a start date of 1/9/11 leaving 47 days from today to fart around and get more of a base mileage built up. That has to factor into what training plan I attack as well.I am going to go out for a super easy 3 tomorrow to see how the legs feel (quads are still a bit sore today). If I feel OK and it's not raining on Thursday, I'm going to take a stab at the Turkey trot (10k) with my old boss and have some fun.

I have done all three of these plans (18/70 pfitz for me though) and they are very different. I will add to what Tri-Man said with this. It also may depend on what you are looking to get out of the race. From your HM experience it seems like you handled the distances and training fairly well. Having said that, the Marathon is a completely different animal. My personal opinion on this is that you should use the Higdon Intermediate II plan and "try out" the distances to see if you like them or not. That program is not as stressful to the Pfitz programs and will get you through the race pretty easily. The other thing with doing the training in general is that you may tackle your first 18 miler or 20 miler and say "this is not for me" so the Higdon plan, IMHO, eases you into it a little bit more than the Pfitz. I felt like the Pfitz threw you into the heavy stuff right away that may turn you off as a first timer.Hopefully this helps some. Let me know if you have any more questions.

I think Higdon is the way to go for your first marathon. Pfitz is hardcore and probably too much of a jump after your first 1/2. If you like the distance after your first, you can always do Pfitz on the next cycle.

 

[Workhorse]

I did Higdon for my first and Pfitz 18/55 for my second. Start with Higdon and work your way up from there.

 

[wraith5]

Just a quick personal note of thanks -

I have a lot of blessings in my life to be thankful for (I'm a FBG - that goes without saying!), and I include all of the regular posters in this thread among them, especially those of you who I am lucky enough to consider to be my friends (those I've met, and a few that I haven't yet!). As many of us regularly joke, it's difficult to express to an outsider how a group of internet strangers on a fantasy football message board can mean so much. The truth is, you do, at least to me. So thank you, and I hope all of you have a wonderful and safe Thanksgiving.

 

[Ned]

Thanks for the tips, as usual. I'm not going to rush into a decision since I have a while, so we'll see how this next month and a half goes. I'll be honest and say I was leaning to the Pfitz 18/55 since it looked like it was more of a challenge. But like I said, we'll see...

I did my first post-HM run today and it was about as expected - yuck. 3mi easy recovery run was pretty rough. My legs felt about how they felt at the 10mi point on Sunday. Just lifeless bricks. Tomorrow's an obvious off day and I'll continue on with some easy runs through the weekend.

Hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving!!

ETA: Right back at ya, wraith. It's a pretty unique group here, and I truly appreciate everyone here.

 

[gruecd]

Just a quick personal note of thanks - I have a lot of blessings in my life to be thankful for (I'm a FBG - that goes without saying!), and I include all of the regular posters in this thread among them, especially those of you who I am lucky enough to consider to be my friends (those I've met, and a few that I haven't yet!). As many of us regularly joke, it's difficult to express to an outsider how a group of internet strangers on a fantasy football message board can mean so much. The truth is, you do, at least to me. So thank you, and I hope all of you have a wonderful and safe Thanksgiving.

Well said, my friend. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone.

 

[FUBAR]

Happy Thanksgiving all!

6 trail miles today, tomorrow is road intervals.

Gave blood 20 minutes after running, blood pressure a nice 102/61, BP at 59. I probably should have eaten something before giving blood but it worked out well.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Just a quick personal note of thanks - I have a lot of blessings in my life to be thankful for (I'm a FBG - that goes without saying!), and I include all of the regular posters in this thread among them, especially those of you who I am lucky enough to consider to be my friends (those I've met, and a few that I haven't yet!). As many of us regularly joke, it's difficult to express to an outsider how a group of internet strangers on a fantasy football message board can mean so much. The truth is, you do, at least to me. So thank you, and I hope all of you have a wonderful and safe Thanksgiving.

Well said, my friend. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone.

I couldn't agree more!!!! Another great year of achieving things I would have never thought possible due in large part to the crew here. and Happy Thanksgiving ALL!!!!

 

[prosopis]

Happy Thanksgiving and I agree with what Grueced wrote above. I am very thankful for the people here. I doubt I would still be doing this without the support I get here.

Did a 5 mile tempo run today and it was a little bit of a struggle which was nice. I like a little struggle now and then. Today was the first day on this plan where I was looking for an excuse to not do it. I really wanted to just to come home and get into the holiday mode of I am glad I HTFU and put my shoes on as soon as I got home and got out there. I feel good!!!!!! Now I can without the guilt. 64 degrees out here

 

[Darrinll40]

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. I wish your day to be happy, safe, and/or spent with family.

I have a Bourbon Chase question regarding the estimated 10K time. I put down 65 minutes as the time because that is what I could do now. I know I will be faster come October and I don't want the team to be penalized because of that. Do you think it would be better to be 5 minutes slower than estimated or 10 minutes faster. Alternately, once I know my leg lengths I can just figure out the average time needed to hit the estimate and run them in that. Though I believe that would mean walking.

Anyway, 2 miles in 9:40 on Tuesday, 2 miles in 10:07 today. I have 3 scheduled for Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Next week I am going to keep my 2' for Tuesday and Thursday, but I am going to include speed work with .25 mile repeats on Tuesday and a mile tempo run on Thursday. Then I will increase my long run to 4 miles that Saturday.

I plan to do this right by increasing my mileage and speed work at the same time. Once I can an easy 6 or 7 miler at 10 minute miles I am going to get on a marathon plan. Being afraid of running 26.2 is just silly.

Good luck to the Turkey trotters. I wish I was out there.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Mother Nature sure treated Detroit right this morning for the Turkey Trot. It was pouring down rain all morning and the drive downtown. Minutes before 7:30 am, when my son was set to run the mile, the rain stopped and never came back for any of the races. While my son was running the mile I walked out to the start of the 5K & 10K with my daughter and a buddy of mine. The race set a record again this year with 17,000 runners. It was so awesome to see my daughter's reaction to a big race. She had that mix of excitement and nervous energy and a HUGE smile on her face. We started side by side and right before the mat she told me to go on and she'd be fine running by herself. While it was hard to do, it worked out as she found some girls from her Cross Country Team to run with. It was SLOW going for the first 2+ miles before the 5/10K split. I think it took close to 22 minutes to do those first 2 miles. After the split, we picked it up a bit. I was way over-dressed under the Santa suit, which made me REALLY hot. FUN, FUN race. Finished running easy, doing the 10K in around 56 minutes. Just finished up a post race Starbucks Egg Nog Latte accompanied by a BLT. Time for a quick nap before the Lions game.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I couldn't agree more!!!! Another great year of achieving things I would have never thought possible due in large part to the crew here. and Happy Thanksgiving ALL!!!!

and congrats on keeping the Santa Suit 10K tradition alive. _______________________________Our annual turkey trot 5K is now in the books. As exected, it was in the low single-digits with sub-zero winchills, but fortunately the course was mostly shielded from the wind. The bigger problem is that we had freezing rain all day yesterday, making the roads pretty bad. The start/finish was in a parking lot that was just a ice sheet, and the first/last quarter mile was also very icy. The rest of the course was fine if you were out for liesurely jog, but it was way too slick for any real racing. Every corner was an adventure, too. If this was an actual, serious race, it probably would have been cancelled, but since it's more of a family-oriented event it went off as scheduled. We got there right at the start to avoid standing around in the cold, so my first mile was basically my warmup (8:59). That included some walking on the ice at the very beginning. The next two miles were better but more like 10K speed than 5K speed (7:47 and 7:44). This was good for a personal worst at this distance, but under the circumstances I was happy to treat it as a mini-speed workout. Official time was 25x; not sure on the seconds as they were just yelling it out as we got to the chute and I couldn't hear it clearly through the balaclava. (25:14 Garmin time)The good news is that our 11 year-old son won a homemade pie for being the youngest finisher. He came in about two minutes after me in 27x.Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

 

[gruecd]

Nice job on the turkey trots, guys.

I was gonna do a local 5-miler, but last night I got home from my swim lesson, and I bent over/twisted around to grab something off the floor, and I seriously messed up something in my right hip/pelvis/piriformis area. Walking like an old man, can barely bend over, and there's no way in hell that I can run. Hoping I can maybe get in to see my PT guy tomorrow. Either way, this will probably end up being the least miles I've run in a week in a loooooong time. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise with the half in Memphis coming up next weekend.

Enjoy the football, family, and of course, food!!!!!

 

[tri-man 47]

I couldn't say it any better than wraith, so let me echo his sentiments and wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving! It has been great to build on some friendships here over the past year, and I'm looking forward to the year ahead (on that front, don't worry about the few minutes for Bourbon Chase, Darrin).

A very relaxed 10 mile run for me this morning in 40 degree temps.

 

[BassNBrew]

5 miles yesterday in the balmy (70 degrees) NC mountains. Haven't run the mountains in ages....11:10 pace up, 8:05 pace back down. Rain and cold moving in today so I'll be on an indoor track for an easy run. The weekend is looking sunny so i should be able to get back outside.

 

[Zow]

Ran the 5k Turkey Trot yesterday. Despite it being Arizona desert, we had record lows (20s). Started at 8 AM with heavy winds and the course was basically up a steady incline into a pass (which created a wind tunnel) then back down. I had no idea what to wear or how to be prepared. I had slammed some late night In N Out animal fries the night before not anticipating the cold. I wore sweatpants and two under armor long sleeve shirts, but no hats or gloves since I don't own any. I think that was clearly a mistake as you'll see shortly. It was actually a great turnout with about 300 runners. I began the race as I have done in my only two prior races (a 5k and 10k) where I basically come out strong running right with the experienced fast runners up front. In the past, I've been successful IMO by just falling off their pace a bit, running the middle of the race at a doable speed, then sprinting like the final .5 mile. Usually this will put me in like the second wave of runners and rarely will I get passed except the guys who had presumably purposely started out slowly and will eventually catch up to the front. In this case though when I began to slow about .75 mile in it just happened to when the full force of the natural wind tunnel picked up. Felt like I could barely breathe and all my muscles stiffened up big time. Slowed to almost a stop - seriously contemplated quitting. Made it up around the turn and started back down the hill, still running slowly. Got passed by way more people than usual, including a couple kids and 50 year old women. Finally about the last mile I started to limber up a bit and put on a sprint at the end - with my right shoe coming untied and slowing me down. Had a co-worker catch up to me and I wasn't about to lose to him. Finished at what felt like a terrible 25:30 and 6th overall for my age group. First time I had a miserable time doing a run.

Any tips or pointers on what you read here? Obviously, I'm not going to fill up on animal fries the night before next time.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Time for new shoes, any advice would be helpful. 205 LB/Neutral/run 5 times a week, looking to run my first 5k soon. Total noob here.

We all have our own brand preferences (I like Asics). I'd suggest that you don't need to spend top dollar. Some of the more expensive shoes add more support and padding, and I believe that can actually be detrimental. While I like specific styles, my focus is that it should feel totally comfortable when you slide it on and take a few steps. Don't be shy about lacing 'em up and jogging in the store or outside on the sidewalk.

Thanks, another noob question. What kind of GPS/HRM would you guys recommend. I don't need anything to complex, just HR,pace,mileage really. I was looking at the Garmin Forerunner 110 but am open to all advice. TIA

 

[Dexter]

Time for new shoes, any advice would be helpful. 205 LB/Neutral/run 5 times a week, looking to run my first 5k soon. Total noob here.

We all have our own brand preferences (I like Asics). I'd suggest that you don't need to spend top dollar. Some of the more expensive shoes add more support and padding, and I believe that can actually be detrimental. While I like specific styles, my focus is that it should feel totally comfortable when you slide it on and take a few steps. Don't be shy about lacing 'em up and jogging in the store or outside on the sidewalk.

Thanks, another noob question. What kind of GPS/HRM would you guys recommend. I don't need anything to complex, just HR,pace,mileage really. I was looking at the Garmin Forerunner 110 but am open to all advice. TIA

Garmin 305 - $130 New http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Re...9287&sr=8-1

 

[prosopis]

Time for new shoes, any advice would be helpful. 205 LB/Neutral/run 5 times a week, looking to run my first 5k soon. Total noob here.

We all have our own brand preferences (I like Asics). I'd suggest that you don't need to spend top dollar. Some of the more expensive shoes add more support and padding, and I believe that can actually be detrimental. While I like specific styles, my focus is that it should feel totally comfortable when you slide it on and take a few steps. Don't be shy about lacing 'em up and jogging in the store or outside on the sidewalk.

Thanks, another noob question. What kind of GPS/HRM would you guys recommend. I don't need anything to complex, just HR,pace,mileage really. I was looking at the Garmin Forerunner 110 but am open to all advice. TIA

Garmin 305 - $130 New http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Re...9287&sr=8-1

I love mine

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Time for new shoes, any advice would be helpful. 205 LB/Neutral/run 5 times a week, looking to run my first 5k soon. Total noob here.

We all have our own brand preferences (I like Asics). I'd suggest that you don't need to spend top dollar. Some of the more expensive shoes add more support and padding, and I believe that can actually be detrimental. While I like specific styles, my focus is that it should feel totally comfortable when you slide it on and take a few steps. Don't be shy about lacing 'em up and jogging in the store or outside on the sidewalk.

Thanks, another noob question. What kind of GPS/HRM would you guys recommend. I don't need anything to complex, just HR,pace,mileage really. I was looking at the Garmin Forerunner 110 but am open to all advice. TIA

Garmin 305 - $130 New http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Re...9287&sr=8-1

Is that an everyday price or something that I need to jump on 2 minutes ago?

 

[Dexter]

Time for new shoes, any advice would be helpful. 205 LB/Neutral/run 5 times a week, looking to run my first 5k soon. Total noob here.

We all have our own brand preferences (I like Asics). I'd suggest that you don't need to spend top dollar. Some of the more expensive shoes add more support and padding, and I believe that can actually be detrimental. While I like specific styles, my focus is that it should feel totally comfortable when you slide it on and take a few steps. Don't be shy about lacing 'em up and jogging in the store or outside on the sidewalk.

Thanks, another noob question. What kind of GPS/HRM would you guys recommend. I don't need anything to complex, just HR,pace,mileage really. I was looking at the Garmin Forerunner 110 but am open to all advice. TIA

Garmin 305 - $130 New http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Re...9287&sr=8-1

Is that an everyday price or something that I need to jump on 2 minutes ago?

It's a pretty good price

 

[Darrinll40]

Time for new shoes, any advice would be helpful. 205 LB/Neutral/run 5 times a week, looking to run my first 5k soon. Total noob here.

We all have our own brand preferences (I like Asics). I'd suggest that you don't need to spend top dollar. Some of the more expensive shoes add more support and padding, and I believe that can actually be detrimental. While I like specific styles, my focus is that it should feel totally comfortable when you slide it on and take a few steps. Don't be shy about lacing 'em up and jogging in the store or outside on the sidewalk.

Thanks, another noob question. What kind of GPS/HRM would you guys recommend. I don't need anything to complex, just HR,pace,mileage really. I was looking at the Garmin Forerunner 110 but am open to all advice. TIA

Garmin 305 - $130 New http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Re...9287&sr=8-1

Is that an everyday price or something that I need to jump on 2 minutes ago?

I think it is the everyday price now, but I am not 100% positive.I was going to run an easy 3today but it is raining. So instead I will do a Wii workout and run the three tomorrow.

 

[Darrinll40]

I decided not to be a big fricken baby and went out for 3 anyway. It turns out that I didn't even get rained on, though it was so humid I was soaked when I got back.

 

[prosopis]

I am scheduled to do 7 miles today. You ready for this.......................................I am waiting for it to warm up a little. It got down to freezing last night. When I got up this am it was 50 in the house so I can just imagine how cold it is outside. I cant believe that a few weeks ago it was so hot and now I have to wait for it to warm up some.

It is supposed to get into the 60s so I should be good to go soon.

 

[Ned]

I am scheduled to do 7 miles today. You ready for this.......................................I am waiting for it to warm up a little. It got down to freezing last night. When I got up this am it was 50 in the house so I can just imagine how cold it is outside. I cant believe that a few weeks ago it was so hot and now I have to wait for it to warm up some. It is supposed to get into the 60s so I should be good to go soon.

Suck it up and run, Nancy. That's perfect for a nice long run...______________________________Did 3mi yesterday at a faster pace than I wanted to yesterday, but felt OK overall. Still can't believe my final 3 at the HM was an 8:10 average... I averaged 8:40 yesterday and didn't feel like I had anything near an 8:10 in me. Can't wait to be 100% again.

 

[Dexter]

My run is going to have to wait. Michigan Ohio State is on in a few.

 

[Ned]

Ran the 5k Turkey Trot yesterday. Despite it being Arizona desert, we had record lows (20s). Started at 8 AM with heavy winds and the course was basically up a steady incline into a pass (which created a wind tunnel) then back down. I had no idea what to wear or how to be prepared. I had slammed some late night In N Out animal fries the night before not anticipating the cold. I wore sweatpants and two under armor long sleeve shirts, but no hats or gloves since I don't own any. I think that was clearly a mistake as you'll see shortly. It was actually a great turnout with about 300 runners. I began the race as I have done in my only two prior races (a 5k and 10k) where I basically come out strong running right with the experienced fast runners up front. In the past, I've been successful IMO by just falling off their pace a bit, running the middle of the race at a doable speed, then sprinting like the final .5 mile. Usually this will put me in like the second wave of runners and rarely will I get passed except the guys who had presumably purposely started out slowly and will eventually catch up to the front. In this case though when I began to slow about .75 mile in it just happened to when the full force of the natural wind tunnel picked up. Felt like I could barely breathe and all my muscles stiffened up big time. Slowed to almost a stop - seriously contemplated quitting. Made it up around the turn and started back down the hill, still running slowly. Got passed by way more people than usual, including a couple kids and 50 year old women. Finally about the last mile I started to limber up a bit and put on a sprint at the end - with my right shoe coming untied and slowing me down. Had a co-worker catch up to me and I wasn't about to lose to him. Finished at what felt like a terrible 25:30 and 6th overall for my age group. First time I had a miserable time doing a run.

Any tips or pointers on what you read here? Obviously, I'm not going to fill up on animal fries the night before next time.

These guys (in bold) know what they're doing. If you're truly starting out at the very front and trying to stay with the lead pack at the beginning, you're most likely trying to start out in a sub 6:00 pace and then finishing in a 25:30. That's a huge drop-off. Try reversing it and taking it semi-easy at the beginning with a gradual build-up as you run.

 

[prosopis]

I am scheduled to do 7 miles today. You ready for this.......................................I am waiting for it to warm up a little. It got down to freezing last night. When I got up this am it was 50 in the house so I can just imagine how cold it is outside. I cant believe that a few weeks ago it was so hot and now I have to wait for it to warm up some. :(It is supposed to get into the 60s so I should be good to go soon.

Suck it up and run, Nancy. That's perfect for a nice long run...______________________________Did 3mi yesterday at a faster pace than I wanted to yesterday, but felt OK overall. Still can't believe my final 3 at the HM was an 8:10 average... I averaged 8:40 yesterday and didn't feel like I had anything near an 8:10 in me. Can't wait to be 100% again.

I did my 7 and I waited just the right amount of time. It was perfect out and nice and sunny. I found myself listening to Skynard after seeing the thread in here. My run ended with Free Bird!!!!! I love when something like that happens. It was a nice run and I never once walked. I did have to take two pee breaks- I think I had to much coffee while waiting for the temps to come up.According to McMillan calculator I am supposed to do these long runs at 11:38-12:38 pace. I avg an 11:29 pace, HR avg 154Split Hour:Minute:SecondTime MilesDistance Minutes per MileAvg PaceSummary 01:20:25 7.00 11:291 00:11:29 1.00 11:292 00:11:26 1.00 11:263 00:11:29 1.00 11:294 00:11:28 1.00 11:295 00:11:31 1.00 11:316 00:11:30 1.00 11:317 00:11:29 1.00 11:29

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Ran the 5k Turkey Trot yesterday. Despite it being Arizona desert, we had record lows (20s). Started at 8 AM with heavy winds and the course was basically up a steady incline into a pass (which created a wind tunnel) then back down. I had no idea what to wear or how to be prepared. I had slammed some late night In N Out animal fries the night before not anticipating the cold. I wore sweatpants and two under armor long sleeve shirts, but no hats or gloves since I don't own any. I think that was clearly a mistake as you'll see shortly. It was actually a great turnout with about 300 runners. I began the race as I have done in my only two prior races (a 5k and 10k) where I basically come out strong running right with the experienced fast runners up front. In the past, I've been successful IMO by just falling off their pace a bit, running the middle of the race at a doable speed, then sprinting like the final .5 mile. Usually this will put me in like the second wave of runners and rarely will I get passed except the guys who had presumably purposely started out slowly and will eventually catch up to the front. In this case though when I began to slow about .75 mile in it just happened to when the full force of the natural wind tunnel picked up. Felt like I could barely breathe and all my muscles stiffened up big time. Slowed to almost a stop - seriously contemplated quitting. Made it up around the turn and started back down the hill, still running slowly. Got passed by way more people than usual, including a couple kids and 50 year old women. Finally about the last mile I started to limber up a bit and put on a sprint at the end - with my right shoe coming untied and slowing me down. Had a co-worker catch up to me and I wasn't about to lose to him. Finished at what felt like a terrible 25:30 and 6th overall for my age group. First time I had a miserable time doing a run.

Any tips or pointers on what you read here? Obviously, I'm not going to fill up on animal fries the night before next time.

These guys (in bold) know what they're doing. If you're truly starting out at the very front and trying to stay with the lead pack at the beginning, you're most likely trying to start out in a sub 6:00 pace and then finishing in a 25:30. That's a huge drop-off. Try reversing it and taking it semi-easy at the beginning with a gradual build-up as you run.

For a 5K or 10K, I'd rather just warm up before the race for a mile or so and then go out with the intention of running even splits. These distances are short enough that you shouldn't have to worry about pacing too much. Especially the 5K where you more or less start out at your redline right off the bat.