Ran a 10k in June (11 Viewers)

[pigskinliquors]

Thanks a ton for all the condolences. It's been a mentally difficult 24 hours to say the least.

BnB: I'm more than ready to try to get in position to haul Culdeus, and hopefully you through HnH next year.

TriMan: as always, thanks for putting it into perspective

Grue, et al.: IM relay sounds very intriguing!!

re: Garmin's = I love the 305, especially at its price point. Great for running and biking.

________________________

My Update:

That's right, I have some training to report!! After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect. The weather was unseasonly awesome (low 70's, medium wind), and it felt great...more mentally than physically. The high point was passing an approximately 60 year dude on his tri-bike while going 27 mph on a long straightaway (he was going maybe 17). I finished the ride that actually is a bit hilly (especially for here) with a 19.1 mph average which included a one mile warm-up and cool-down. Most importantly, there was no extra pain in my groin/hip this morning. Hopefully this is the first of many cycling posts in a row for me. My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

 

[The Duff Man]

It is a 305 I have that is toast after 4 mths. I thought the reboot fixed it, but it appears that it is a battery problem. I charge it up fully, but as soon as I remove it from the holder it turns off and I have to re-connect to the computer where I have to reboot again and it starts charging again.

Reading the warranty, it looks like I have to package it and send it back to them.

 

[sho nuff]

Nice PSL

I need to find time for a 5 miler today or tomorrow...or just have an unscheduled rest day.

Fantasy draft tonight (impromptu as were going to just forget week one, then people decided they could do it tonight)...kid's soccer tomorrow night plus first NFL game...Packer fan...yeah...not sure I want to be on the treadmill tomorrow either).

Might just see how late the draft goes tonight and settle on a shorter run or suck it up and get up early tomorrow to run in the morning (might be the best option).

 

[proninja]

My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

You can do that now. Don't sell yourself short.

 

[wraith5]

Garmin 305. No doubt.

PSL - great job getting out for a ride! I did the same this morning, going for about 10 miles for the first time in a while. I was not fast (not that I ever am), but that wasn't my goal today. Just wanted to get on and ride for a bit before work.

 

[pigskinliquors]

My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

You can do that now. Don't sell yourself short.

I could likely go 20 right now with little problem, but the Doc wants me to slowly build up muscle for cycling prior to getting into high reps (each pedal stroke is an opportunity to hurt my hip more). His belief is that cycling can strengthen the area, and make it less difficult to further damage the cartilage. The problem is that if it isn't strong enough, ANY activity can hurt it = i have to build up slowly. Any setbacks right now really suck as the cartilage is fried, and any more lost could make it damn difficult for me to not only cycle...but to also be able to walk.

 

[scoobygang]

My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

You can do that now. Don't sell yourself short.

I could likely go 20 right now with little problem, but the Doc wants me to slowly build up muscle for cycling prior to getting into high reps (each pedal stroke is an opportunity to hurt my hip more). His belief is that cycling can strengthen the area, and make it less difficult to further damage the cartilage. The problem is that if it isn't strong enough, ANY activity can hurt it = i have to build up slowly. Any setbacks right now really suck as the cartilage is fried, and any more lost could make it damn difficult for me to not only cycle...but to also be able to walk.

Yeah, without having any specific insight whatsoever, I kind of blanched at your goal to get 100 miles/week in so quickly. I'm not an endurance athlete, and I haven't overcome a major injury, but I would think it might be easiest to just put no pressure on the biking for awhile and give yourself a long time just doing recreational, not particularly challenging rides until you feel the confidence in your hips to take it.

 

[proninja]

My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

You can do that now. Don't sell yourself short.

I could likely go 20 right now with little problem, but the Doc wants me to slowly build up muscle for cycling prior to getting into high reps (each pedal stroke is an opportunity to hurt my hip more). His belief is that cycling can strengthen the area, and make it less difficult to further damage the cartilage. The problem is that if it isn't strong enough, ANY activity can hurt it = i have to build up slowly. Any setbacks right now really suck as the cartilage is fried, and any more lost could make it damn difficult for me to not only cycle...but to also be able to walk.

That makes a lot of sense

 

[Sand]

My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

You can do that now. Don't sell yourself short.

I could likely go 20 right now with little problem, but the Doc wants me to slowly build up muscle for cycling prior to getting into high reps (each pedal stroke is an opportunity to hurt my hip more). His belief is that cycling can strengthen the area, and make it less difficult to further damage the cartilage. The problem is that if it isn't strong enough, ANY activity can hurt it = i have to build up slowly. Any setbacks right now really suck as the cartilage is fried, and any more lost could make it damn difficult for me to not only cycle...but to also be able to walk.

Pfft. Walking is overrated.

 

[Ned]

80 + 91% humidity = miserable. PSL - You're attitude about your hips got me thru today's run. I was sulking and acting like a baby while I was running and realized how ridiculous I was being. I'm glad to hear you are already attacking this head on with the bike. You are the man.

All things considered, the data wasn't bad. 12mi MLR - 155 HR @ 9:35

 

[prosopis]

Thanks a ton for all the condolences. It's been a mentally difficult 24 hours to say the least. BnB: I'm more than ready to try to get in position to haul Culdeus, and hopefully you through HnH next year. TriMan: as always, thanks for putting it into perspectiveGrue, et al.: IM relay sounds very intriguing!!re: Garmin's = I love the 305, especially at its price point. Great for running and biking. ________________________My Update:That's right, I have some training to report!! After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect. The weather was unseasonly awesome (low 70's, medium wind), and it felt great...more mentally than physically. The high point was passing an approximately 60 year dude on his tri-bike while going 27 mph on a long straightaway (he was going maybe 17). I finished the ride that actually is a bit hilly (especially for here) with a 19.1 mph average which included a one mile warm-up and cool-down. Most importantly, there was no extra pain in my groin/hip this morning. Hopefully this is the first of many cycling posts in a row for me. My goal is to slowly work up to a short ride of 20 miles, and be averaging 100+ miles per week no later than November 1st. My newly found beer gut needs to be punished

I love it.

 

[prosopis]

I am sick :X :

GI distress and I feel dehydrated. I took yesterday and today off.

 

[tri-man 47]

________________________My Update:That's right, I have some training to report!! After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

See, now, at my age, if I blow out a hip, they'll relegate me shuffleboard at the home. You, my friend, still have options.

 

[Ned]

________________________

My Update:

That's right, I have some training to report!! After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

See, now, at my age, if I blow out a hip, they'll relegate me shuffleboard at the home. You, my friend, still have options.

My link

 

[sho nuff]

Nice pic

Well...draft went quick last night...but after a few beers...really was not wanting to run last night.

So, up at 5 am it was. Out the door at 5:15.

With only having about an hour, I really didn't have a plan of what to run today. So I just started going and decided to run on feel. I did not really check the Garmin over the first couple of miles. Then finally did just to see where I was on time for when to head back to the house. Ended up getting my 5 in...at 9:27 a mile.

Did not download the data yet...that was just my average per mile. Will have to see what the HR information is too.

 

[pigskinliquors]

sho nuff: way to HTFU and get out there early today, but I don't understand why a couple of beers (carbs) could have stopped you from running the evening before.

Ned: Your bad runs, are still awesome. Your progress is astounding!

Tri-Man: for some reason, I believe that if they gave you an artificial hip, you'd be stronger. In fact, I found this video of you in the future getting out of an alligator infested OW swim, prior to going out for a jog with your artificial hip.

Prosopsis: That's the ####s.

_________________________

Got out after work for a 9 miler last night. It was windy as hell, and the ride was almost all on chip seal = it beat me up a bit. I pushed it a bit hard in the last mile (right into the wind) instead of using it as a cool down, as my AVE was right at 19.1, and I didn't want to go slower than I did in the previous ride. I have got to find a way to get rid of my freaking ego.

 

[Ned]

I have got to find a way to get rid of my freaking ego.

The day the ego goes, so does the competitiveness. I say screw it. Feed off the ego.

 

[sho nuff]

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

 

[BassNBrew]

I have ditched any idea of running a half marathon this year and have signed up to do a 5K/10K a la Steel Curtain on a fast track in two weeks. I am still keeping a long outdoor run on Saturdays in my program, because it seems to have restarted some weight loss.

I felt surprisingly great yesterday considering I had done two long runs over the labor day holiday, so I hopped on the treadmill before my trainer's appointment and obliterated my treadmill PR in the 5K. Shaved off nearly two minutes, from 23:09 to 21:10. Looking at my logs, I never got into zone 5 on the heart rate, so I might even have a bit more to work with. I enjoy working at that distance, because no matter how hard it is at the time, I feel OK the next day.

I don't really have a legit PR in the 10K, so I can't really do what SC did. And I'm not sure I can even keep up that kind of turnover on a real, less-forgiving surface, but I might shoot for 21:00/45:00 or so with the very real understanding that 22:30/48:00 might be a more realistic result. Considering that I couldn't even run one 10:00 mile at the end of last year, I'd consider either pretty good progress.

Outstanding progress

 

[BassNBrew]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery for the 40 mile ultra. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

 

[Ned]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

 

[sho nuff]

Ummm....WOW is all I can say to that.

 

[Sand]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery for the 40 mile ultra. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

My condolences! How likely was it for you to get chosen? Was it random or did you have to qualify somehow to get into the lottery?

 

[tri-man 47]

BnB - it's the sux when you can't even bring your firearm to a race these days. That's, uh, quite a challenge you've gotten yourself into! The race report will be epic.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery for the 40 mile ultra. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

 

[scoobygang]

Yeah, congrats I guess? Nice way to pass the months before the Bataan 50K Death March and Fun Run.

 

[BassNBrew]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery for the 40 mile ultra. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

My condolences! How likely was it for you to get chosen? Was it random or did you have to qualify somehow to get into the lottery?

I'm really not sure. Looks like they only take around 200 and it was an instant fill in past years when they opened online registration. They went to a "lottery" to give everyone a shot, not just the winner of an ISP race. They did ask some questions about previous race/event experience and top finishes on the registration form that led me to believe they may have screened some entries out. That said, I thought mine would be one of those screened out since it was weighted heavily with triathlon stuff. They also said that previous finishers and multi-year finishes would get add'l weighting.

 

[pigskinliquors]

After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

FWIW: the fantasy draft I mentioned above was also at BWW and included approx. 4 talls as well. I understand not feeling comfortable going out at 9. Would it have been possible to have your husband hold your hand while you ran, or to have him drive his Prius next to you? A couple of my friends have messages for you. re: watchiing the Packers = worst reason I've ever heard for not doing a run (says the Bear fan).

 

[pigskinliquors]

BnB:

 

[wraith5]

BnB:

Outstanding BnB! Speedwork today: 5x 1k @ 7:15 pace. Hit 7:14, 7:03, 6:56, 7:02, 7:11 with 400 recoveries and 1 mile warm-up/cool-down.

 

[Darrinll40]

Great news BnB, make sure you get good pics of the wildcats and bears.

 

[Darrinll40]

After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

FWIW: the fantasy draft I mentioned above was also at BWW and included approx. 4 talls as well. I understand not feeling comfortable going out at 9. Would it have been possible to have your husband hold your hand while you ran, or to have him drive his Prius next to you? A couple of my friends have messages for you. re: watchiing the Packers = worst reason I've ever heard for not doing a run (says the Bear fan).

 

[Sand]

After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

FWIW: the fantasy draft I mentioned above was also at BWW and included approx. 4 talls as well. I understand not feeling comfortable going out at 9. Would it have been possible to have your husband hold your hand while you ran, or to have him drive his Prius next to you? A couple of my friends have messages for you. re: watchiing the Packers = worst reason I've ever heard for not doing a run (says the Bear fan).

HFS

 

[jb1020]

It is a 305 I have that is toast after 4 mths. I thought the reboot fixed it, but it appears that it is a battery problem. I charge it up fully, but as soon as I remove it from the holder it turns off and I have to re-connect to the computer where I have to reboot again and it starts charging again.Reading the warranty, it looks like I have to package it and send it back to them.

You have me worried. I my 305, which I've had about a month now, for about 20 minutes the other day. I didn't bother to put it back on the charger. Turned it on this morning for a run and I got the "low battery" message. Decided to run anyways, and it was dead after about 5 minutes. I figured I might have left it on, which may still be the case....I hope.

 

[pigskinliquors]

It is a 305 I have that is toast after 4 mths. I thought the reboot fixed it, but it appears that it is a battery problem. I charge it up fully, but as soon as I remove it from the holder it turns off and I have to re-connect to the computer where I have to reboot again and it starts charging again.Reading the warranty, it looks like I have to package it and send it back to them.

You have me worried. I my 305, which I've had about a month now, for about 20 minutes the other day. I didn't bother to put it back on the charger. Turned it on this morning for a run and I got the "low battery" message. Decided to run anyways, and it was dead after about 5 minutes. I figured I might have left it on, which may still be the case....I hope.

Once the 305 says "low battery" you aren't going to be able to get a full workout in. Its warning is way too late. You likely left it on = probably zero reason to worry.

 

[17seconds]

I just signed up for a half-marathon in January. Plan on using this training method.

Finished my last half in 1:45:38 a few months back. Goal is to break the 8min mile pace. However, not sure if this course will be tougher. Last one was San Diego Rock and Roll, next one will be Carlsbad.

 

[Ned]

After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

FWIW: the fantasy draft I mentioned above was also at BWW and included approx. 4 talls as well. I understand not feeling comfortable going out at 9. Would it have been possible to have your husband hold your hand while you ran, or to have him drive his Prius next to you? A couple of my friends have messages for you. re: watchiing the Packers = worst reason I've ever heard for not doing a run (says the Bear fan).

HFS

So fn awesome.

 

[Darrinll40]

3 miles done and today it was only 88 with 48%, practically winter. My weekday runs are beginning to form a pattern. First one = awful, second one = just about perfect.

Tue 32:26

Today 28:53 and I felt like I was taking it easy.

Same course, same time about, an hour after I get home from work.

Because I have been eating too much I have been the same damn weight for a couple of months now. 223ish

Tuesday I started weighing food and counting calories just like I did when I originally lost weight.

Tuesday morning weight 223.6

This morning 220.6

Basically cutting out the snacks/extra meals have done the trick. And I am not going hungry. My goal is to be at 215 by Chase day, and in the 190's by Christmas.

 

[Ned]

Darrin - I went through that stint for a while where the 2nd run was always the best. Weird.

 

[proninja]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge! This race will ####### kill you if the bears don't get you first!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery for the 40 mile ultra. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

fixed

 

[sho nuff]

After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

FWIW: the fantasy draft I mentioned above was also at BWW and included approx. 4 talls as well. I understand not feeling comfortable going out at 9. Would it have been possible to have your husband hold your hand while you ran, or to have him drive his Prius next to you? A couple of my friends have messages for you. re: watchiing the Packers = worst reason I've ever heard for not doing a run (says the Bear fan).

Nicely done...though I especially enjoyed BJ Raji's interception yet again...it never gets old.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Even though a heart rate monitor was included with the Garmin I bought a few years ago, I've rarely used it. I've talked to some triathlete guys that swear by heart rate training and know that some of you guys do too. I was running 800 meter intervals on a treadmill tonight and decided to bring it along. My HR got up to the low 150s during most of the intervals (around 6:45 to 6:30 mile pace) and I finished with a 400 meter run at 6:00 pace and got up only to 158 HR. I was surprised by this. Those paces are challenging for me and I assumed my heart rate would be much more elevated. I know that some of you are running multiple miles at 150+ and it's making me wonder if I'm being a bit of a wuss. I've seen those online calculators that want you to find your resting and max heart rates and factor in your age to determine various levels you should run at, but I don't know if I buy into this...particularly the age component. I'm curious what HR others here have doing challenging 800 meter intervals.

Yeah those max HR calcs are junk. You need to test yourself to get your max before you realize what those 150's really mean for you. Everyone's going to be different. You may just have a really low max HR (which there's nothing wrong with that). How hard were those 800s on a 1-10 scale and how many did you do? You'll get some cardiac drift as the number of reps increase. I haven't done any 800m repeats since having my HRM, so I'd just be taking wild guesses. I bet Tri has some data to share. Hell, he probably wears his HRM during lunges.

It's true that everyone is different ...but the general ranges are very similar. I tend to find high 150's correspond to more serious effort; 160's are taxing; 170's are challenging; low 180's are not sustainable for very long at all. E.g., I recently did three 2-mile repeats on a warm morning. The HR for the sets were 163, 171, 173. A recent 5K averaged a 174 HR. So Jux, a couple of thoughts. The challenge might have been compounded by the logistics/sensation of doing speedwork on a treadmill. Also, the effort might be affected by your breathing ...whether you're breathing deep and strong and getting a good supply of oxygen (during my hardest efforts, I focus on exhaling strong, which sets up a naturally full inhale). Or it might just be a mental hurdle of not trusting that you can, in fact, give more. Maybe try some 400s at a faster pace and see where the HR is at. As you experience a higher level of discomfort, you'll gain confidence in how much you can, in fact, endure.

I'll play around with this again sometime next week. I have a 10 mile at marathon pace scheduled for Saturday and a 20 miler Sunday...no time for max heart rates this weekend. Thanks for the info Tri-Man and Ned!

OK, I played around with heart rates again tonight and, as the FFA would say, am quite Shuked. I ran/jogged around the neighborhood for a few miles and included a 1/4 mile very hard run and a near all out sprint for about 150 yards. On both occassions, I felt like I had to slow down because my breathing was getting out of control. However, my HR never got above 160. If this is my max HR, I'm a little freaked out because it's so abnormally low. For what it's worth, my resting HR appears to hover around 50-52 and momentarily got as low as 49 relaxing on the couch rigged up tonight. From the other times I've used the HR monitor, it seems I'm usually at about 125-135 for slow runs and maybe in the 140s at marathon pace.With this information, how should I use HR in my training? TIA for any help you guys can provide. I'm quite ignorant on the more technical aspects of running and have always been impressed with the knowledge of my fellow runners in this thread.

 

[prosopis]

After work I had a FF draft that ended at 8. I got home as quickly as I could, put my lights on my road bike, and went out for a fairly hard 7 mile ride (Dr. ordered) to see the effect.

When I said couple of beers...I should have clarified that there were 4 tall glasses at Buffalo Wild Wings.

And since I started running, I have not had a whole lot to drink...so my tolerance is quite low.

Did not feel comfortable going out at 9pm..that and I had recorded America's Game: The Super Bowl Story of the 2010 Green Bay Packers that I wanted to watch before tonight.

FWIW: the fantasy draft I mentioned above was also at BWW and included approx. 4 talls as well. I understand not feeling comfortable going out at 9. Would it have been possible to have your husband hold your hand while you ran, or to have him drive his Prius next to you? A couple of my friends have messages for you. re: watchiing the Packers = worst reason I've ever heard for not doing a run (says the Bear fan).

 

[prosopis]

What have I done. Opened my e-mail and found this...

Congratulations!

or condolences...depending on your perspective...

You have made the field for the 2012 Mount Mitchell Challenge!

Yup, I was drawn in the lottery for the 40 mile ultra. I'm kind of in shock at the moment and trying to digest this.

The Challenge is this: Begin at dawn in Black Mountain, the quaint "front porch of Western North Carolina", and follow trails to the "rooftop" of Western North Carolina, the 6,684' summit of Mount Mitchell - eastern America's highest point - then return to the start/finish area! With a starting altitude of 2,360', the elevation gain for this 40-mile run will be 4,324' - in the first 20 miles!

Injuries... The rough terrain of this course coupled with the forces of nature make it quite likely that a competitor will suffer some sort of injury during this event...ranging from abrasions, contusions, or sprains as a result of falls... to hypothermia... to animal encounters, as this is still the natural habitat of the wildcat and the black bear. Be prepared to cope with whatever Mother Nature may see fit to send your way. Please note that firearms are not permitted within North Carolinas State Parks.

Time Limits... Competitors must complete the Marathon and the Challenge by 6:00 PM; cut-off times may be enforced from the half-way mark onwards depending on the weather conditions at that time. There are designated cut-off times, based on weather and course conditions...Emergency personnel have the FINAL SAY on where we can go and when...

www.blackmountainmarathon.com

Damn, congrats?

 

[BassNBrew]

What a day. Hit the PO Box tonite and received this note...

Greetings. You have been drafted! Actually you have volunteered for 18 miles of fun on a gently rolling course on dirt. Welcome to the Shut-In Trail Race. It's only 18 miles with uphill portions totaling more than 5000 ft of climbing and a net gain of 3000 ft...oh yeah, 2000 ft worth of downhill.

November 5 is the date.

 

[Sand]

What a day. Hit the PO Box tonite and received this note...Greetings. You have been drafted! Actually you have volunteered for 18 miles of fun on a gently rolling course on dirt. Welcome to the Shut-In Trail Race. It's only 18 miles with uphill portions totaling more than 5000 ft of climbing and a net gain of 3000 ft...oh yeah, 2000 ft worth of downhill.November 5 is the date.

Nice little warmup for Mt. Mitchell?Or have you just cracked and gone off the deep end?

 

[prosopis]

What a day. Hit the PO Box tonite and received this note...Greetings. You have been drafted! Actually you have volunteered for 18 miles of fun on a gently rolling course on dirt. Welcome to the Shut-In Trail Race. It's only 18 miles with uphill portions totaling more than 5000 ft of climbing and a net gain of 3000 ft...oh yeah, 2000 ft worth of downhill.November 5 is the date.

You need to pick up a lottery ticket.

 

[Ned]

Even though a heart rate monitor was included with the Garmin I bought a few years ago, I've rarely used it. I've talked to some triathlete guys that swear by heart rate training and know that some of you guys do too.

I was running 800 meter intervals on a treadmill tonight and decided to bring it along. My HR got up to the low 150s during most of the intervals (around 6:45 to 6:30 mile pace) and I finished with a 400 meter run at 6:00 pace and got up only to 158 HR. I was surprised by this. Those paces are challenging for me and I assumed my heart rate would be much more elevated. I know that some of you are running multiple miles at 150+ and it's making me wonder if I'm being a bit of a wuss.

I've seen those online calculators that want you to find your resting and max heart rates and factor in your age to determine various levels you should run at, but I don't know if I buy into this...particularly the age component. I'm curious what HR others here have doing challenging 800 meter intervals.

Yeah those max HR calcs are junk. You need to test yourself to get your max before you realize what those 150's really mean for you. Everyone's going to be different. You may just have a really low max HR (which there's nothing wrong with that). How hard were those 800s on a 1-10 scale and how many did you do? You'll get some cardiac drift as the number of reps increase. I haven't done any 800m repeats since having my HRM, so I'd just be taking wild guesses. I bet Tri has some data to share. Hell, he probably wears his HRM during lunges.

It's true that everyone is different ...but the general ranges are very similar. I tend to find high 150's correspond to more serious effort; 160's are taxing; 170's are challenging; low 180's are not sustainable for very long at all. E.g., I recently did three 2-mile repeats on a warm morning. The HR for the sets were 163, 171, 173. A recent 5K averaged a 174 HR. So Jux, a couple of thoughts. The challenge might have been compounded by the logistics/sensation of doing speedwork on a treadmill. Also, the effort might be affected by your breathing ...whether you're breathing deep and strong and getting a good supply of oxygen (during my hardest efforts, I focus on exhaling strong, which sets up a naturally full inhale). Or it might just be a mental hurdle of not trusting that you can, in fact, give more. Maybe try some 400s at a faster pace and see where the HR is at. As you experience a higher level of discomfort, you'll gain confidence in how much you can, in fact, endure.

I'll play around with this again sometime next week. I have a 10 mile at marathon pace scheduled for Saturday and a 20 miler Sunday...no time for max heart rates this weekend. Thanks for the info Tri-Man and Ned!

OK, I played around with heart rates again tonight and, as the FFA would say, am quite Shuked. I ran/jogged around the neighborhood for a few miles and included a 1/4 mile very hard run and a near all out sprint for about 150 yards. On both occassions, I felt like I had to slow down because my breathing was getting out of control. However, my HR never got above 160. If this is my max HR, I'm a little freaked out because it's so abnormally low. For what it's worth, my resting HR appears to hover around 50-52 and momentarily got as low as 49 relaxing on the couch rigged up tonight. From the other times I've used the HR monitor, it seems I'm usually at about 125-135 for slow runs and maybe in the 140s at marathon pace.With this information, how should I use HR in my training? TIA for any help you guys can provide. I'm quite ignorant on the more technical aspects of running and have always been impressed with the knowledge of my fellow runners in this thread.

You do have a pretty low HR, but 160 isn't your max. To put it lightly...You have to hammer the #### out of the test to find your max. It's not a comfortable exercise. Think about what you're trying to accomplish. You are testing your heart's capabilities and trying to find the fastest it'll pump without exploding. :X The bolded is what jumps out to me. If you only did 2 400m runs and didn't push thru the uncomfortable stage (i.e. pedal to the floor), you didn't get to your max HR. How did the perceived effort compare to say the end of a 5K or 10K race where you're balls to the wall sprinting to the finish line?

 

[Ned]

Today was a perfect test of how conditions affect performance. This was the 4th consecutive run where it's been 95%+ humidity. My wife is going to kill me if I don't find another place to put my drenched gear after these runs. Fall can't get here soon enough.

I went out at 5:30 this morning for 10 w/ 6 LT miles. Since I mistakenly did this last week when I had near perfect conditions, I decided to do the same route to compare great conditions to less than stellar conditions. The results speak for themselves. I felt like a slug today and had to work a lot harder than last week.

8/30 was 58 degrees and about 45% humidity (I think)

Today was 71 degrees and 99% humidity. I was running thru mist for half the run. It felt like I was breathing with my shirt over my mouth at times.

Mi  08/30/11     09/09/111   159 @ 8:24   162 @ 8:052   165 @ 7:58   168 @ 8:093   167 @ 7:50   171 @ 8:064   171 @ 7:48   175 @ 8:005   173 @ 7:57   178 @ 8:226   174 @ 8:04   177 @ 8:11AVG 168 @ 8:00   172 @ 8:08

 

[IvanKaramazov]

What a day. Hit the PO Box tonite and received this note...

Greetings. You have been drafted! Actually you have volunteered for 18 miles of fun on a gently rolling course on dirt. Welcome to the Shut-In Trail Race. It's only 18 miles with uphill portions totaling more than 5000 ft of climbing and a net gain of 3000 ft...oh yeah, 2000 ft worth of downhill.

November 5 is the date.

You need to pick up a lottery ticket.

This sounds more like a Shirley Jackson-type lottery than the good kind.______________

Easy 5 on tap for later today, then a SDO, then my half on Sunday. The weather won't be bad per se (lower 60s at the start, it looks like), but it's kind of disappointing that it won't be in the 40s or 50s instead. Oh well.