Ran a 10k in June (10 Viewers)

[pigskinliquors]

Just decided I'm going to attempt to do 500 push-ups in the next 5 hours. Anybody with me?

First 60 done.

 

[sho nuff]

Just decided I'm going to attempt to do 500 push-ups in the next 5 hours. Anybody with me? First 60 done.

Doing them in your office? That you OTIS?No thanks for me...pushups kill my shoulders big time.Get through 20 and I don't even want to do them again.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Just decided I'm going to attempt to do 500 push-ups in the next 5 hours. Anybody with me?

First 60 done.

Doing them in your office? That you OTIS?No thanks for me...pushups kill my shoulders big time.

Get through 20 and I don't even want to do them again.

Yep. I am in a boring as hell teleconference until 4:00 pm CST, and it's slowly killing me. No, I am not Otis. Up to 110 now.

 

[Sand]

Just decided I'm going to attempt to do 500 push-ups in the next 5 hours. Anybody with me?

First 60 done.

Doing them in your office? That you OTIS?No thanks for me...pushups kill my shoulders big time.

Get through 20 and I don't even want to do them again.

Yep. I am in a boring as hell teleconference until 4:00 pm CST, and it's slowly killing me. No, I am not Otis. Up to 110 now.

I'll drink some bourbon in your honor. Good enough?

 

[wraith5]

Just decided I'm going to attempt to do 500 push-ups in the next 5 hours. Anybody with me?

First 60 done.

Doing them in your office? That you OTIS?No thanks for me...pushups kill my shoulders big time.

Get through 20 and I don't even want to do them again.

Yep. I am in a boring as hell teleconference until 4:00 pm CST, and it's slowly killing me. No, I am not Otis. Up to 110 now.

I'll drink some bourbon in your honor. Good enough?

 

[wraith5]

Grue: Thanks for the kind words. I wish the no running mandate was by choice. The going all in on biking seemed my only option to still get the adrenaline I crave, and to not find myself in the Clydesdale division of life.

Has Turkish floated the 3 out of 5 concept yet? Really hoping I can do this next year. With all the northern folks close to this (and dragging PSL and BnB up) we could have a good group for this.

I'm very intrigued!! I currently am the suck at Mt. Biking (just started this February), as I don't have much fear or skill (a bad combination). I have multiple scars to prove it.

Vest majority is fire road (Turkish and Dexter can give details). Really not technical at all. Some sand, some steep hills etc., but to my knowledge no log jumping or rock hopping or anything crazy. Which is good, because I suck at MTBing. I have several trees down my way here that know me intimately...

The vast majority of the course is 2 track some single track and only one section that I would barley consider technical nothing a beginner couldn't handle. There are some steep climbs but nothing long.This year was perfect due to the rain making the sand not that bad. Most years you're fighting the weather just as much as the course.

Starting to seriously think about this. Of course, that would mean I need to buy a mountain bike...

 

[Sand]

Good morning,

I'm not a Tri Guy, but I thought this Washington Post article would be of interest to those who are: SandTMing the first mile of a triathlon can kill you.

Sounds like a reasonable conclusion. You gotta be comfortable in zero-visibility water with no easy exits to make sure you can do a typical tri. And I always recommend that folks know backstroke so they can roll over and gather themselves if they get in trouble. Water is no joke and the price for failure can be high. Some common sense precautions can do a huge amount though, (i.e. know how to signal for a boat to come grab you).

Has Turkish floated the 3 out of 5 concept yet? Really hoping I can do this next year. With all the northern folks close to this (and dragging PSL and BnB up) we could have a good group for this.

Were we still gonna try to put together a team to try to win the Beach2Battleship relay?

No offense to BnB, but I thought the point was to specifically get PSL out there since he can't run anymore and let him wail away on a great challenge. I'd prefer to wait until he can do it. We'll see what date they post for next year.

 

[wraith5]

Alright, I have to seek the wisdom of the group here. I said yesterday I was tentatively shooting for my first marathon to be St. Judes 2012, which is more than a year out. Well, after posting that I get home to find out my wife is pregnant which is awesome.

After everything sank in, I started thinking ahead....baby will be due in June/July. In my mind I'm worried I won't be able to dedicate the time it actually takes to train for a full. We currently have a 18 month old and I've finally wrapped my mind around having to be up at 4:30 on week days to get runs in. And my wife always give me Saturday mornings to go on long runs. Shes also a full time nurse and a full time student, so I outside of a few hours on Saturday I don't even consider asking for more time away to run. I just work around it.

So the wheels started turning last night. I have a half on Jan. 7, nothing planned past that. I've always planned on doing the Higdon Novice 2 plan. So there's that 18 week plan...exactly 18 weeks from Jan 7 is the Rock and Roll in Nashville April 28. Well before the new kid is here.

You guys think this is pretty attainable, or is it biting off too much? I can already go out and run a pretty comfortable 10-13 miles, so looking at the plan it doesn't seem like anything too daunting.

TIA

jb - First off, congratulations. You have quite the undertaking on your hands. I am expecting number 3 in about one and a half months.Second, I think that plan is doable. I used that as my first plan with a lot less training than you have done and got through it. I think you will be fine.

congratulations jb!!

I think getting the race in before baby #2 is a great idea.

 

[Sand]

Grue: Thanks for the kind words. I wish the no running mandate was by choice. The going all in on biking seemed my only option to still get the adrenaline I crave, and to not find myself in the Clydesdale division of life.

Has Turkish floated the 3 out of 5 concept yet? Really hoping I can do this next year. With all the northern folks close to this (and dragging PSL and BnB up) we could have a good group for this.

I'm very intrigued!! I currently am the suck at Mt. Biking (just started this February), as I don't have much fear or skill (a bad combination). I have multiple scars to prove it.

Vest majority is fire road (Turkish and Dexter can give details). Really not technical at all. Some sand, some steep hills etc., but to my knowledge no log jumping or rock hopping or anything crazy. Which is good, because I suck at MTBing. I have several trees down my way here that know me intimately...

The vast majority of the course is 2 track some single track and only one section that I would barley consider technical nothing a beginner couldn't handle. There are some steep climbs but nothing long.This year was perfect due to the rain making the sand not that bad. Most years you're fighting the weather just as much as the course.

Starting to seriously think about this. Of course, that would mean I need to buy a mountain bike...

Number of bikes one needs = N+1 where N is the number you have now. BTW, at least around here I see lots of MTBs on Craigslist. A bit of discerning shopping and some patience can result in a nice used bike for a nice price. I got a Rockhopper for very cheap a couple years back.

 

[wraith5]

Got out for another ride this morning - 15 miles in 40 degree temps. Never thought I'd say that...

Did my little 3 mile loop x5. basically I do these like repeats, timing each loop against a goal. I wouldn't want to do it x10, but when I want to work on speed or cadence (both of which are s-l-o-w), this route works well for me.

ETA: legs are feeling OK. Definitely some fatigue as I've started to push them again (which is why I biked instead or running today) but no joint pain as of now.

 

[The_Man]

Got out for another ride this morning - 15 miles in 40 degree temps. Never thought I'd say that... Did my little 3 mile loop x5. basically I do these like repeats, timing each loop against a goal. I wouldn't want to do it x10, but when I want to work on speed or cadence (both of which are s-l-o-w), this route works well for me. ETA: legs are feeling OK. Definitely some fatigue as I've started to push them again (which is why I biked instead or running today) but no joint pain as of now.

Glad you're feeling a little better. It was 60+ and humid before dawn this morning but because it's been chilly lately, there were several women out running in tights, with jackets and earwarmers. They were all sweating profusely - didn't look too fun. It felt awesome to be out there in shorts and a t-shirt.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Number of bikes one needs = N+1 where N is the number you have now.

BTW, at least around here I see lots of MTBs on Craigslist. A bit of discerning shopping and some patience can result in a nice used bike for a nice price. I got a Rockhopper for very cheap a couple years back.

I got my Mt. bike for $300 on Craigslist, and it is more than serviceable. IF I go up to the Iceman, I'd likely try to rent one locally if at all possible, bc flying with bikes is no longer bueno. I'm now up to 230 pushups.

 

[The_Man]

Number of bikes one needs = N+1 where N is the number you have now.

BTW, at least around here I see lots of MTBs on Craigslist. A bit of discerning shopping and some patience can result in a nice used bike for a nice price. I got a Rockhopper for very cheap a couple years back.

I got my Mt. bike for $300 on Craigslist, and it is more than serviceable. IF I go up to the Iceman, I'd likely try to rent one locally if at all possible, bc flying with bikes is no longer bueno. I'm now up to 230 pushups.

You are going to have some serious jelly arms when you are done.

 

[Sand]

Number of bikes one needs = N+1 where N is the number you have now.

BTW, at least around here I see lots of MTBs on Craigslist. A bit of discerning shopping and some patience can result in a nice used bike for a nice price. I got a Rockhopper for very cheap a couple years back.

I got my Mt. bike for $300 on Craigslist, and it is more than serviceable. IF I go up to the Iceman, I'd likely try to rent one locally if at all possible, bc flying with bikes is no longer bueno. I'm now up to 230 pushups.

$50 each way on Southwest. Hit up a local bike club or tri club for cheap/free hard case.(gotta be careful about the airline for bikes. Delta charges a left pinky and a testicle - each way).

 

[pigskinliquors]

Number of bikes one needs = N+1 where N is the number you have now.

BTW, at least around here I see lots of MTBs on Craigslist. A bit of discerning shopping and some patience can result in a nice used bike for a nice price. I got a Rockhopper for very cheap a couple years back.

I got my Mt. bike for $300 on Craigslist, and it is more than serviceable. IF I go up to the Iceman, I'd likely try to rent one locally if at all possible, bc flying with bikes is no longer bueno. I'm now up to 230 pushups.

$50 each way on Southwest. Hit up a local bike club or tri club for cheap/free hard case.(gotta be careful about the airline for bikes. Delta charges a left pinky and a testicle - each way).

To fly Southwest I have to drive to Austin or Houston = I need to then pay to park my car as well. I'm looking at approx. $200 to travel with my $300 bike ($100 to bring; $50 for case/packaging; $40 to park). I'd much rather rent on site. I've had good luck in the past doing it; though this might be more of a challenge with so many people coming in for the race. Now if it was a road race; my Heidi would be traveling with me for sure FYI: I'm now at 440 push-ups, and arms are getting wobbly. Started at 60 per pop; I'm now hurting at 25. 60 left to to in 35 minutes.

edited to add: Just got off the phone with a local bike shop, they did two rentals this year for $100. Their rental will be better than my bike. Giddy'up!!

 

[pigskinliquors]

505. Done.

 

[Ned]

505. Done.

Overachiever.

 

[tri-man 47]

505. Done.

Meh. I thought that's why they invented flat-screen monitors and TVs ...so I could lay them on the ground and do push-ups over them all day and night. And aren't push-ups like the bball game of 21? You go over, you start over. 1 ...jb - congrats! I agree ...get the marathon done now. And hill training should be a part of the training anyway, regardless of the race! The_Man - HR monitor, buddy. Do not be stubborn about this!

 

[Dexter]

Number of bikes one needs = N+1 where N is the number you have now.

BTW, at least around here I see lots of MTBs on Craigslist. A bit of discerning shopping and some patience can result in a nice used bike for a nice price. I got a Rockhopper for very cheap a couple years back.

I got my Mt. bike for $300 on Craigslist, and it is more than serviceable. IF I go up to the Iceman, I'd likely try to rent one locally if at all possible, bc flying with bikes is no longer bueno. I'm now up to 230 pushups.

$50 each way on Southwest. Hit up a local bike club or tri club for cheap/free hard case.(gotta be careful about the airline for bikes. Delta charges a left pinky and a testicle - each way).

To fly Southwest I have to drive to Austin or Houston = I need to then pay to park my car as well. I'm looking at approx. $200 to travel with my $300 bike ($100 to bring; $50 for case/packaging; $40 to park). I'd much rather rent on site. I've had good luck in the past doing it; though this might be more of a challenge with so many people coming in for the race. Now if it was a road race; my Heidi would be traveling with me for sure FYI: I'm now at 440 push-ups, and arms are getting wobbly. Started at 60 per pop; I'm now hurting at 25. 60 left to to in 35 minutes.

edited to add: Just got off the phone with a local bike shop, they did two rentals this year for $100. Their rental will be better than my bike. Giddy'up!!

I saw a number of places renting bikes for Iceman so you'll have options. I hope you guys come up. My only suggestion is you bring clothes for all types of weather. Last year I rode in rain, snow, sleet, sunshine, mud and windy conditions all in the same 3 hour ride. March 1st is registration day and it will sell out in less than 1 day. The nice thing is people can and will sell their spots so if you don't get in you can still buy a spot later.

 

[Ned]

This got a lttile long winded, but as I've put this all down on paper, it became more than just a quick note on how I want to run this race.. Sorry for the babbling, but by now y'all know I'm a tad OCD.

I'm off work all week for more hunting (yes, again!) and some R&R for the marathon. I've been making a concerted effort to focus on relaxing and not getting fired up like I usually do on race week. We are going as far as taking a two day trip down to Atlantic City without the kids for some mommy and daddy unwind time.

At any rate, I'm pretty set on how I want to attack this. My #1 focus is going to be patience. This game is a patient man's game. I can't force anything with this distance. I have to let the race come to me. With that said, I'm going to let HR be my guide. I will be watching loosely and have marked out some check points to gauge on how my body is responding to the pace.

Since this cycle was the first time I truly ran each run based on specific HR ranges, I've learned quite a bit about how I typically run. It doesn't matter if it's a 5mi recovery run or a 22mi LR. I've learned that I run them all the same. I get a HR target stuck in my head and it becomes the baseline. I naturally tend to drift into too fast of a pace when I'm not focusing. I check the watch and see my HR is too high and simmer down back to the baseline. With all that said, I'm going to race the same way. I've set some baselines that I'll target early on that I believe should set me up for a strong race.

Major thanks to triman for some offline HR coaching. It's much appreciated, GB.

1-10: 155. I think this HR is sustainable for quite a long ways. This should afford me to get into a pretty decent effort/pace while keeping me fresh.

10-20: 160. If the first 10 goes well, I will look to let my HR drift a bit here to keep on pace or better. My HR tends to drift as the run goes on so this will probably be a natural progression to stay on pace.

20+: 165+. I will slowly throw everything on to the fire and end up all-in in time for the final 5K.

The best laid plans can go to #### quickly, so if this is a big fail I will look to settle back into <160 so I don't have a repeat performance from the first marathon. I desperately don't want to relive that wall. :X

In terms of time I think a 3:50 is in the cards with 4:00 as a plan B. I may be getting ahead of myself, but I want to stay honest. If I don't go sub 4, I will be disappointed.

 

[Ned]

Alright, I have to seek the wisdom of the group here. I said yesterday I was tentatively shooting for my first marathon to be St. Judes 2012, which is more than a year out. Well, after posting that I get home to find out my wife is pregnant which is awesome.

After everything sank in, I started thinking ahead....baby will be due in June/July. In my mind I'm worried I won't be able to dedicate the time it actually takes to train for a full. We currently have a 18 month old and I've finally wrapped my mind around having to be up at 4:30 on week days to get runs in. And my wife always give me Saturday mornings to go on long runs. Shes also a full time nurse and a full time student, so I outside of a few hours on Saturday I don't even consider asking for more time away to run. I just work around it.

So the wheels started turning last night. I have a half on Jan. 7, nothing planned past that. I've always planned on doing the Higdon Novice 2 plan. So there's that 18 week plan...exactly 18 weeks from Jan 7 is the Rock and Roll in Nashville April 28. Well before the new kid is here.

You guys think this is pretty attainable, or is it biting off too much? I can already go out and run a pretty comfortable 10-13 miles, so looking at the plan it doesn't seem like anything too daunting.

TIA

I'm a little late to the party, but congrats!! I agree with everyone else that getting the marathon in before #2 is the best idea. You have a much better base than I did for my first. You'll do just fine with higdon. I did the intermediate plan and didn't think it was that bad. I wouldn't be afraid to check that out since you're already comfortably running 10-13.

 

[tri-man 47]

Ned - I love the plan! You could even use "patience" as a mantra to reinforce steady pacing (e.g., repeat every fourth step), particularly early in the race. Maybe use "all in" over the final miles as you take it home strong.

You will do well. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that we can't wait!

 

[prosopis]

Ned- Sounds like a nice plan. I am really geeked for you.

 

[sports_fan]

Sport_Fan: Awesome that you are back to running after your surgery. Running sprints first is a unique way to get at it. Don't be a stranger, as staying in this thread will keep your training honest and likely provide support, advice and humor.

I've been slowly working my way back over about the last 6-8 months. A few unlucky back-to-back-to-back injuries kept me down for a long time. 7 months ago I was going about 1/4 mile every other day at speed walking pace. I can go about 2 miles on consecutive days now. I just hadn't been able to go all out, for any distance, until very recently. Which is why I was so happy when I did it.Anyway, I appreciate the support from you and everyone else. It's nice to hear and it helps keep me motivated.

 

[Sand]

At any rate, I'm pretty set on how I want to attack this. My #1 focus is going to be patience. This game is a patient man's game. I can't force anything with this distance. I have to let the race come to me.

Oh, #### that.Go out strong in 6:20-30 or so.

Hang on for dear life for the next 25.

Sprint in the final .2.

This is the only gameplan that makes sense.

 

[wraith5]

Ned- Sounds like a nice plan. I am really geeked for you.

 

[The_Man]

Ned, great plan. Now, stick to it - plan the race, then race the plan.

Looks like it might be a little warm (and hopefully not too wet) on Sunday - figures weather could be an issue for you again; seems like you've had some bad luck with that.

Don't listen to Sand Definitely keep things nice and easy for the first 10. One thought I'm taking with me next weekend will be, "If you're not worried that you're running too easy for the first 10 miles, you're running too hard."

You have totally killed this training cycle and are about to reap your richly deserved rewards. 4:00 is in the bag, baby, as long as you follow your plan. Can't wait to hear about it - just don't get to dehydrated in AC the next few days!

 

[Ned]

At any rate, I'm pretty set on how I want to attack this. My #1 focus is going to be patience. This game is a patient man's game. I can't force anything with this distance. I have to let the race come to me.

Oh, #### that.Go out strong in 6:20-30 or so.

Hang on for dear life for the next 25.

Sprint in the final .2.

This is the only gameplan that makes sense.

I'm turning over a new leaf, GB.

 

[Ned]

Ned, great plan. Now, stick to it - plan the race, then race the plan.

Looks like it might be a little warm (and hopefully not too wet) on Sunday - figures weather could be an issue for you again; seems like you've had some bad luck with that.

Don't listen to Sand Definitely keep things nice and easy for the first 10. One thought I'm taking with me next weekend will be, "If you're not worried that you're running too easy for the first 10 miles, you're running too hard."

You have totally killed this training cycle and are about to reap your richly deserved rewards. 4:00 is in the bag, baby, as long as you follow your plan. Can't wait to hear about it - just don't get to dehydrated in AC the next few days!

Yeah it might get a tad warm at the finish. Saturday night's low is 46 and supposed to be cloudy with Sunday's high of 61. With a 7am start and the cloud cover it should be cool for most of the race. I just hope the humidity is down. I appreciate all the support from everyone. I owe a big part of all this to this crew.

The live race day tracking is up and running now. Search for Nick Chadick if you wanted to follow. My link

ETA: I'm so stealing the bolded. That's exactly how I need to think on Sunday!

 

[sho nuff]

Ned - I love the plan! You could even use "patience" as a mantra to reinforce steady pacing (e.g., repeat every fourth step), particularly early in the race. Maybe use "all in" over the final miles as you take it home strong. You will do well. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that we can't wait!

Perfectly said.

 

[2Young2BBald]

At any rate, I'm pretty set on how I want to attack this. My #1 focus is going to be patience. This game is a patient man's game. I can't force anything with this distance. I have to let the race come to me.

Oh, #### that.Go out strong in 6:20-30 or so.

Hang on for dear life for the next 25.

Sprint in the final .2.

This is the only gameplan that makes sense.

I'm turning over a new leaf, GB.

Nothing real new or exciting here but maybe there is a nugget here you can use to achieve some level of calm. If nothing else, click down in to the links as a way of occupying taper madness. Best of luck!!!!!

 

[Ned]

Ned - I love the plan! You could even use "patience" as a mantra to reinforce steady pacing (e.g., repeat every fourth step), particularly early in the race. Maybe use "all in" over the final miles as you take it home strong. You will do well. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that we can't wait!

Perfectly said.

This would be a cool spin-off. What key words/phrases does everyone use while in the heat of the moment? For running that is, PSL. You horn-dog, you. When trying to relax I like to think about floating or gliding along. "Fluid" is a great keyword for me.When trying to push hard thru intervals work or a 5K I think "don't fade" and really focus on visualizing leg turnover and getting way up on my toes. I crave that feeling.

 

[Zow]

Okay guys, I can't, for the life of me, get motivated to run long distances >2 miles. Last night I did a killer time workout (6, 400 meter sprints for time with no more than 3 minute rests in between) and was exhausted at the end but I have a feeling it won't help me at all gear up for the half other than maybe the weight it may have helped me keep off.

I need to just wake up in the morning and do it.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Zow: HTFU! Find a plan and start working toward it.

Ned: I like your plan. A few recommendations.

#1 set a time (not HR) goal for your first mile. Your HR will likely be up due to excitement, and if you look at your watch and your HR is higher than expected, your HR will possibly rise even further. First mile excitement is to be expected. Focus on your rhythm and cadence with a time goal. It's kind of like me thinking about Tommy Lasorda "in the heat of the moment" .

#2: understand that your HR can be sustained higher on a race day than it can in training, and sometimes escalates faster than in training. Don't panic if that happens. Trust your training and your taper to sustain more than you think you have in the past. This is where your HR plan might need to be altered. Going slower to sustain HR can sometimes destroy your rhythm/cadence. Find your sweet spot and let it ride.

#3: scout out bathrooms that you'll hit race morning. I love finding a nearby hotel that I can hangout at and use their restrooms a few times prior to the race. IF they have bathrooms on floors other than the first they are golden = others won't find them

#4: My favorite marathon tradition was to dedicate miles to people that are important to me; especially the last 6.2 miles. For each, get in your head somebody to thank during that mile, and to concentrate on. Taking the focus off of the pain, and your HR (which I'm guessing you will be incessantly checking), will allow you to breathe more naturally and to concentrate on positives (awesome people) and not the negatives.

#5: Most importantly = Have a blast!!! Be ready to smile the entire time; to thank volunteers; to play up to the crowd. = enjoy EVERY second. You have worked your ### off for a long time, and your amazing reward is every single step and experience you have on race day. Relish every drop of it!! You've earned it.

_____________________

My update:

It was actually raining here all day yesterday (first real rain in more than 100 days!), so I was confined to our Rec Center. I spun on a cycle for 45 minutes, as my calves were both pretty beat up. It was just what the Dr. ordered, as my legs feel great today! I'm going to do a hard lifting routine after work (mostly bc I'm meeting some "friends" tonight and want to look pumped up) instead of cardio.

 

[sho nuff]

Going to get in 3 nice easy miles tonight. Then likely 6 easy miles on Saturday.

Supposed to do a turkey trot next week but not sure yet (neither my sister in law or niece who mentioned this have signed up or sent me the info yet).

 

[The_Man]

Sports_fan: great job, just keep at it. Consistent training is the name of the game.

Zow: Doing speed work while not being able to run more than 2 miles at a time is doing virtually nothing to prepare you for a Half-Marathon. You already have all the speed you need to run a Half. But you have virtually none of the endurance. If you're serious about this, you need to bite the bullet and start cranking out longer, much slower runs. Set a target of 3 miles - halfway though, if you feel like you're not going to make it, you need to run slower.

Another easy 5 miles for me - 10 days to go! I wore the Heart Rate Monitor again and averaged 8:16 with a 141 HR. Did the last mile at Marathon Goal Pace, just to see what kind of HR it would be. Did it in 7:34 (GMP is 7:40) with a 151 HR, which is pretty much right where I want it to be (my max HR is about 175).

Looking back at my log from last year, I did a 5-miler 10 days before the Marathon, averaged 8:18 with a 139 HR (and I ran the last mile that day in 7:42). I really do feel like I'm almost exactly where I was with my fitness a year ago -- too bad I had to piss it all away before getting it back. I've run fewer total miles than a year ago, but done more intense training, and completed 3 20-milers vs. bonking after 17 miles on the first one I tried last year, and successfully completing only one. I'm hoping that not being a rookie, a slightly flatter course, and those long runs will help me pull off a better time than last year.

 

[Zow]

Zow: Doing speed work while not being able to run more than 2 miles at a time is doing virtually nothing to prepare you for a Half-Marathon. You already have all the speed you need to run a Half. But you have virtually none of the endurance. If you're serious about this, you need to bite the bullet and start cranking out longer, much slower runs. Set a target of 3 miles - halfway though, if you feel like you're not going to make it, you need to run slower.

I have done a few 3 plus milers in the recent past and I'm pretty competent I could pump out a 10k right now in under 55 minutes. I just struggle to enjoy running at such a steady pace and always resort to an anaerobic workout. You're right though, I just gotta do it if I want to finish in any sort of respectable time or at all.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

long distances >2 miles.

 

[The_Man]

So I have a totally non-running related question that I've begun to grapple with and just wanted to throw it out there for some feedback.

About 13 months ago, I left a work environment that was high-stress and filled with negative people for a job that is slightly less prestigious but is way lower stress, has really good people, and actually pays a bit more than I was making. It's been good, though one of the reasons I came here was because I reported to the head of the institution and that got taken away during a restructuring over the summer - I still have direct access and he's a great guy, but now I report through the #2 guy.

Now our main competitor is advertising for a new position they've created that is essentially my current job - but at their place, obviously. It reports to the head guy, has a staff of 3+ (I currently have a half-person who is turning into a whole person shortly) and they are the clear #1 place regionally, ahead of us. I would definitely have more resources to do my job than I currently do. And it would provide some other things that would benefit my family.

I know if I apply, I'll get an interview - but I just can't decide if I should or not. The closest analogy I can think of is a top-level exec going from Pepsi to Coke - I would be taking inside info with me and it would definitely leave hard feelings behind me. Do I just tell myself to be content with what I have, or do I look into pulling a Benedict Arnold for what could be a better opportunity? Right now, I'm leaning toward not applying and taking the job posting to the higher-ups here to show them that I either need more resources, or that we'll be fighting an uphill battle compared to what my opposite number has. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can just apply to test the waters - in our industry, even the news that I had applied could get back to people here and be bad. I feel like I shouldn't apply unless I'm serious about trying to land it.

Sorry for the hijack - PMs welcome.

 

[sho nuff]

1740...in the green

5 Better in person...friend of a friend and I think she ran a 1:48 or so.

148 Looked much better before the race when I saw her (chatted a bit in line for the bathrooms before the race as she lives out near my area and just moved from Michigan...passed her just before my bathroom break and she was struggling then and looked like she was hurting when she finished)

1659

Yeah...I dig the pants girls wear for the colder races.

And I guess it would not be complete without a picture of a big oaf.

Now imagine this with 50 extra lbs. Still managed to have 2 chins for this somehow.

Oh, and 2500 for last month's half.

 

[pigskinliquors]

The_Man: zero harm in applying. I recommend that you apply, and interview if offered an interview.

Best case scenario is you get an offer that is better than you are making. From there, you can decide if the offer is worth leaving your current job for. IF it is worth leaving your current job for, you can then ask your current company to counter offer to keep you. Once all offers are on the table, you get decide between two jobs that have better packages than the one you currently have.

Worst case scenario is that you don't get an interview or offer. Then you still get to keep the job that you admittedly like! Your job might not like you looking around (if they found out), but they can't blame you for trying to see is there is something better out there for you.

 

[prosopis]

Ned, great plan. Now, stick to it - plan the race, then race the plan.

Looks like it might be a little warm (and hopefully not too wet) on Sunday - figures weather could be an issue for you again; seems like you've had some bad luck with that.

Don't listen to Sand Definitely keep things nice and easy for the first 10. One thought I'm taking with me next weekend will be, "If you're not worried that you're running too easy for the first 10 miles, you're running too hard."

You have totally killed this training cycle and are about to reap your richly deserved rewards. 4:00 is in the bag, baby, as long as you follow your plan. Can't wait to hear about it - just don't get to dehydrated in AC the next few days!

Yeah it might get a tad warm at the finish. Saturday night's low is 46 and supposed to be cloudy with Sunday's high of 61. With a 7am start and the cloud cover it should be cool for most of the race. I just hope the humidity is down. I appreciate all the support from everyone. I owe a big part of all this to this crew.

The live race day tracking is up and running now. Search for Nick Chadick if you wanted to follow. My link

ETA: I'm so stealing the bolded. That's exactly how I need to think on Sunday!

 

[prosopis]

So I have a totally non-running related question that I've begun to grapple with and just wanted to throw it out there for some feedback.About 13 months ago, I left a work environment that was high-stress and filled with negative people for a job that is slightly less prestigious but is way lower stress, has really good people, and actually pays a bit more than I was making. It's been good, though one of the reasons I came here was because I reported to the head of the institution and that got taken away during a restructuring over the summer - I still have direct access and he's a great guy, but now I report through the #2 guy.Now our main competitor is advertising for a new position they've created that is essentially my current job - but at their place, obviously. It reports to the head guy, has a staff of 3+ (I currently have a half-person who is turning into a whole person shortly) and they are the clear #1 place regionally, ahead of us. I would definitely have more resources to do my job than I currently do. And it would provide some other things that would benefit my family.I know if I apply, I'll get an interview - but I just can't decide if I should or not. The closest analogy I can think of is a top-level exec going from Pepsi to Coke - I would be taking inside info with me and it would definitely leave hard feelings behind me. Do I just tell myself to be content with what I have, or do I look into pulling a Benedict Arnold for what could be a better opportunity? Right now, I'm leaning toward not applying and taking the job posting to the higher-ups here to show them that I either need more resources, or that we'll be fighting an uphill battle compared to what my opposite number has. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can just apply to test the waters - in our industry, even the news that I had applied could get back to people here and be bad. I feel like I shouldn't apply unless I'm serious about trying to land it.Sorry for the hijack - PMs welcome.

I would do what is best for you and your family. I would not give two ####s about leaving bad feelings at a company. In my experience these company's look out for themselves first and the hell with the employee. I am long over thinking they really care about me. The one caveat to that is you dont want to burn any bridges. Do what is best for you but be as cool about it as you can.

 

[Ned]

1740...in the green

5 Better in person...friend of a friend and I think she ran a 1:48 or so.

148 Looked much better before the race when I saw her (chatted a bit in line for the bathrooms before the race as she lives out near my area and just moved from Michigan...passed her just before my bathroom break and she was struggling then and looked like she was hurting when she finished)

1659

Yeah...I dig the pants girls wear for the colder races.

And I guess it would not be complete without a picture of a big oaf.

Now imagine this with 50 extra lbs. Still managed to have 2 chins for this somehow.

Oh, and 2500 for last month's half.

Nice work! I'll take a full helping of 1740, por favor. -----------

Yesterday was a crummy 6mi recovery run that was nothing shot of lethargic. Who the hell knows why. 9:37@141

Today was dress rehearsal day. 7mi with 2 @ GMP. I saved the GMP miles for last. I wanted to target the 155 HR since I had already gave the 160 a whirl on Sunday's 12. 8:50@154 and 8:46@155. Perrrrfect.

 

[Ned]

So I have a totally non-running related question that I've begun to grapple with and just wanted to throw it out there for some feedback.About 13 months ago, I left a work environment that was high-stress and filled with negative people for a job that is slightly less prestigious but is way lower stress, has really good people, and actually pays a bit more than I was making. It's been good, though one of the reasons I came here was because I reported to the head of the institution and that got taken away during a restructuring over the summer - I still have direct access and he's a great guy, but now I report through the #2 guy.Now our main competitor is advertising for a new position they've created that is essentially my current job - but at their place, obviously. It reports to the head guy, has a staff of 3+ (I currently have a half-person who is turning into a whole person shortly) and they are the clear #1 place regionally, ahead of us. I would definitely have more resources to do my job than I currently do. And it would provide some other things that would benefit my family.I know if I apply, I'll get an interview - but I just can't decide if I should or not. The closest analogy I can think of is a top-level exec going from Pepsi to Coke - I would be taking inside info with me and it would definitely leave hard feelings behind me. Do I just tell myself to be content with what I have, or do I look into pulling a Benedict Arnold for what could be a better opportunity? Right now, I'm leaning toward not applying and taking the job posting to the higher-ups here to show them that I either need more resources, or that we'll be fighting an uphill battle compared to what my opposite number has. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can just apply to test the waters - in our industry, even the news that I had applied could get back to people here and be bad. I feel like I shouldn't apply unless I'm serious about trying to land it.Sorry for the hijack - PMs welcome.

Listen to your gut. I'm not sure where you're at with your life in terms of family and financial goals, but it sounds to me that you're doing quite well at the current gig. Judging just from the tone of your post, you are tempted but don't think it's the right move. You also already know that you are working with a good crop of people. Is it assumed that it's the same 'over there'? I'm usually the one that is pushing hard to move up at any given chance. But there comes a point in time where you're going to hit a cross roads of need vs want. To me, it sounds like you're there.I'd take your resources pitch up with current management to see what they have to say. If the stone wall you, then maybe it's worth exploring the other side?

 

[Zow]

long distances >2 miles.

I get that's not long, I'm just saying that's why I get to a point I'd rather be doing something else.

 

[BassNBrew]

So I have a totally non-running related question that I've begun to grapple with and just wanted to throw it out there for some feedback.About 13 months ago, I left a work environment that was high-stress and filled with negative people for a job that is slightly less prestigious but is way lower stress, has really good people, and actually pays a bit more than I was making. It's been good, though one of the reasons I came here was because I reported to the head of the institution and that got taken away during a restructuring over the summer - I still have direct access and he's a great guy, but now I report through the #2 guy.Now our main competitor is advertising for a new position they've created that is essentially my current job - but at their place, obviously. It reports to the head guy, has a staff of 3+ (I currently have a half-person who is turning into a whole person shortly) and they are the clear #1 place regionally, ahead of us. I would definitely have more resources to do my job than I currently do. And it would provide some other things that would benefit my family.I know if I apply, I'll get an interview - but I just can't decide if I should or not. The closest analogy I can think of is a top-level exec going from Pepsi to Coke - I would be taking inside info with me and it would definitely leave hard feelings behind me. Do I just tell myself to be content with what I have, or do I look into pulling a Benedict Arnold for what could be a better opportunity? Right now, I'm leaning toward not applying and taking the job posting to the higher-ups here to show them that I either need more resources, or that we'll be fighting an uphill battle compared to what my opposite number has. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can just apply to test the waters - in our industry, even the news that I had applied could get back to people here and be bad. I feel like I shouldn't apply unless I'm serious about trying to land it.Sorry for the hijack - PMs welcome.

Better check and see if you signed a no compete clause when you joined the current company.

 

[Ned]

long distances >2 miles.

I get that's not long, I'm just saying that's why I get to a point I'd rather be doing something else.

I know where you're coming from. I used to say the same sort of stuff. Anything longer than 3 was a "long" run in my eyes. I used to think marathoners were insane, yet here I am doing my second one this Sunday. It's all mental. You're not giving yourself a chance as long as you continue with the preconceived notions that you'll always get bored. Get your head wrapped around what you told your GF you were going to do. Find a plan to follow and commit. You might surprise yourself and actually like this craziness.

 

[prosopis]

long distances >2 miles.

I get that's not long, I'm just saying that's why I get to a point I'd rather be doing something else.

I know where you're coming from. I used to say the same sort of stuff. Anything longer than 3 was a "long" run in my eyes. I used to think marathoners were insane, yet here I am doing my second one this Sunday. It's all mental. You're not giving yourself a chance as long as you continue with the preconceived notions that you'll always get bored. Get your head wrapped around what you told your GF you were going to do. Find a plan to follow and commit. You might surprise yourself and actually like this craziness.

At one time I felt the same way. I now can not wait to do a 10 mile + run. I love the solitude. It just seems to reset me or something. I have yet to run 20 but I am still gonna attempt my marathon in December. I am going to listen to some tunes check out the view and just be for 26.2 miles.

 

[tri-man 47]

Oh, and 2500 for last month's half.

Thanks for sharing! Hmm, pic -011 ...we gotta work on that straight leg/heel strike.--

The_Man - Tough call. I see worst case is that you don't get/want the new job, but you've sent the wrong signal to your current employer and hurt that relationship. But as others have said, you do need to look out for you and your family. You wouldn't be wrestling with this if you didn't enjoy where you're at, so you must have a good relationship with those above you. Can you chat with them in some delicate manner? Maybe they surprise you and 'allow' you to explore it. Maybe they say "why do you care, aren't you happy here?" and you have to backpedal a bit, or point out that the situation merely highlights the need for additional resources (without which, your company is at a disadvantage) so, golly, aren't you the good guy for identifying a competitive need. Tough call.