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Ran a 10k in June (10 Viewers)
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Well I woke up Sunday with a sore throat and head cold. 
I blame my germ carrying children's return to school. I did HTFU, pop some dayquil, and did 7 miles at a 9:49 pace.
Tomorrow I have 10x400 scheduled. I had better kick this cold and fast. I will be so mad if I have to run my half sick AGAIN.
I blame my germ carrying children's return to school. I did HTFU, pop some dayquil, and did 7 miles at a 9:49 pace.
Tomorrow I have 10x400 scheduled. I had better kick this cold and fast. I will be so mad if I have to run my half sick AGAIN.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Reminded me of that NFL Commercial with the Parcells sound bite - 'this is why we lift all those weight!' Those 3 am wake up calls paid off, grats man - now stay after it!
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Great race, IK, and a wonderful report. It's great to read how you had control of the marathon from start to finish. Very impressive! What an excellent season you've had!!!'IvanKaramazov said:
AcerFC
Footballguy
Race Report from my Duathlon
A buddy of mine from work lost his father to Huntingtons disease and this rave was in his memeory. This was the first time I have ever been on a road bike. I used to ride my mountain bike a lot but have not ridden it in close to 5 years I would estimate. Instead of buying a new bike for thousands of dollars, I rented a Cannondale which retails for $1400 for $50 for the weekend. I rode 9 miles on Saturday and my ass was killing me.
I wanted to get a good nights sleep because between soccer and the kids I am exhausted. I was aiming to be asleep by 10:00. Turns out that was not a problem. I laid down with my daughter at 7:30 and passed out for the night. Woke up at 6 the next morning and started getting ready to go. It was cold out so I wore a long sleeve with a long sleeve jacket type thing that goes over your head.
I get to the site and lots of people already there. I recognize some people and some students. Im just hoping I can keep up with these people. I pick up my packet and bib and head back to the car for a cliff bar and water. I also had to reset my Garmin during this time. Thanks to youtube and smart phones.
The race was supposed to start at 8 but at 8:15 they made an announcement it was going to be another 20 minutes. I ran to the bathroom to empty the bin and was set to go. We were split into 5 waves and I was in wave 1. Not one person in the wave was familiar with the course. The clock went off and we were just trying to figure out which way to go. I told myself not to sand it because I had no idea how I would be having to ride 10 miles and then run another 2. So I went off at a nice light pace. About a little over a mile in, the people on the course told us the wrong way to go, so I estimate the people up front lost about a minute. The ones just behind them like me, probably lost 30 seconds. We all turned around and were even with the stragglers. The course was easy to navigate after that and finished the 2 miles in 16:42 with an avg HR of 160ish (47th overall out of 111).
Then it was time for the bike. I knew this was going to be problematic for me but wanted to give it my best. I got sent the wrong way by a cop and I estimate I lost another 30-45 seconds. Realizing I wasnt going to medal anyway, I didnt bum about it too much. About 6 miles in, a buddy tried to let me draft off him but I just couldnt seem to get to him and keep up so I told him to just go. The hills were the worst since I was going around 7-8 miles an hour and about half my wave passed me going up one steady incline. I stayed with it and finally pulled into the transition area. They advertised it as a 10 mile bike but it was less. I didnt take an accurate reading but it was around 9.5ish. I finished it in 37:21, (38th overall).
The weirdest feeling ever was getting off that bike and running again. The first minute was all wobbbly. But then I got my legs and tried to just push as much as I could. I didnt go all out but I was happy with my pace. I wound up finishing the last 2 miles in 16:32 (20th overall). It was probably easier since I was more familiar with the course and knew what was coming. At one point, when we went into the trails, I looked back to see what was going on behind me and almost bit it on a tree root. Dont even know why I cared.
So my total effort for the 2 mile run, 10 mile ride and 2 mile run was 1:10:35. Good for 33rd overall out of 111. I was 7/15 in my age group. They asked each person from our wave if we were affected by the errors but did not take any time off the final. I would estimate I lost a good minute but being 7/15 I didnt really care. I was just happy I finished.
Thanks again to everyone in this thread. I know I dont post a ton, but I am always reading and trying to catch up because you guys post a ton every day.
A buddy of mine from work lost his father to Huntingtons disease and this rave was in his memeory. This was the first time I have ever been on a road bike. I used to ride my mountain bike a lot but have not ridden it in close to 5 years I would estimate. Instead of buying a new bike for thousands of dollars, I rented a Cannondale which retails for $1400 for $50 for the weekend. I rode 9 miles on Saturday and my ass was killing me.
I wanted to get a good nights sleep because between soccer and the kids I am exhausted. I was aiming to be asleep by 10:00. Turns out that was not a problem. I laid down with my daughter at 7:30 and passed out for the night. Woke up at 6 the next morning and started getting ready to go. It was cold out so I wore a long sleeve with a long sleeve jacket type thing that goes over your head.
I get to the site and lots of people already there. I recognize some people and some students. Im just hoping I can keep up with these people. I pick up my packet and bib and head back to the car for a cliff bar and water. I also had to reset my Garmin during this time. Thanks to youtube and smart phones.
The race was supposed to start at 8 but at 8:15 they made an announcement it was going to be another 20 minutes. I ran to the bathroom to empty the bin and was set to go. We were split into 5 waves and I was in wave 1. Not one person in the wave was familiar with the course. The clock went off and we were just trying to figure out which way to go. I told myself not to sand it because I had no idea how I would be having to ride 10 miles and then run another 2. So I went off at a nice light pace. About a little over a mile in, the people on the course told us the wrong way to go, so I estimate the people up front lost about a minute. The ones just behind them like me, probably lost 30 seconds. We all turned around and were even with the stragglers. The course was easy to navigate after that and finished the 2 miles in 16:42 with an avg HR of 160ish (47th overall out of 111).
Then it was time for the bike. I knew this was going to be problematic for me but wanted to give it my best. I got sent the wrong way by a cop and I estimate I lost another 30-45 seconds. Realizing I wasnt going to medal anyway, I didnt bum about it too much. About 6 miles in, a buddy tried to let me draft off him but I just couldnt seem to get to him and keep up so I told him to just go. The hills were the worst since I was going around 7-8 miles an hour and about half my wave passed me going up one steady incline. I stayed with it and finally pulled into the transition area. They advertised it as a 10 mile bike but it was less. I didnt take an accurate reading but it was around 9.5ish. I finished it in 37:21, (38th overall).
The weirdest feeling ever was getting off that bike and running again. The first minute was all wobbbly. But then I got my legs and tried to just push as much as I could. I didnt go all out but I was happy with my pace. I wound up finishing the last 2 miles in 16:32 (20th overall). It was probably easier since I was more familiar with the course and knew what was coming. At one point, when we went into the trails, I looked back to see what was going on behind me and almost bit it on a tree root. Dont even know why I cared.
So my total effort for the 2 mile run, 10 mile ride and 2 mile run was 1:10:35. Good for 33rd overall out of 111. I was 7/15 in my age group. They asked each person from our wave if we were affected by the errors but did not take any time off the final. I would estimate I lost a good minute but being 7/15 I didnt really care. I was just happy I finished.
Thanks again to everyone in this thread. I know I dont post a ton, but I am always reading and trying to catch up because you guys post a ton every day.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
DOMS seriously kicking in today. I can hardly walk.
Nice job, Acer. I've never tried running immediately after biking, but I can imagine that that's a weird-feeling transition to make.
Nice job, Acer. I've never tried running immediately after biking, but I can imagine that that's a weird-feeling transition to make.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Congrats on a solid race Acer!
Ivan, what's DOMS?
Ivan, what's DOMS?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Delayed onset muscle syndrome, it's when you're significantly more sore 2-3 days after an activity than you were during/immediately after.
Sand
Footballguy
Yo, GB. You're doing a rave very, very wrong. Nice race, though!
----Speaking of DOMS, I went out Sunday for a 10k run (50ft/mile of climbing, so reasonably hilly). It was so incredibly mild that I hammered the whole thing with 8 minute miles. Felt awesome. Well, at the time it did.Let's just say Monday was an unintentional day off...
Ned
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well done, Acer! Nice improvement as the race went on! Weird that they didn't make the course clear ...not like it was huge distances for them to mark. Anyway, congrats!!! 
As for me, my calves were aching for a couple of days. The cumulative effect of the HM and midfoot/forefoot running takes its toll. I run faster with that striding, but it isn't kind on the calves. Yesterday I walked a mile, jogged a mile ..heading out soon for a few easy miles on a day off of work.
As for me, my calves were aching for a couple of days. The cumulative effect of the HM and midfoot/forefoot running takes its toll. I run faster with that striding, but it isn't kind on the calves. Yesterday I walked a mile, jogged a mile ..heading out soon for a few easy miles on a day off of work.
koby925
Footballguy
Good luck to everyone racing this weekend. Can't wait to see all the PRs
That's 5 good postings for 5 big PRs (beer, Ned, Ivan, TriMan, Jux), unless I miscounted. Awesome job, everyone! "Oh I'm hurt, I don't think I am gonna run, just doing this to train for something else"....y'all were sandbagging Great race reports too. You guys inspire me everytime I think I'm too tired. I did get in 18 over the weekend (11 and 7) to get me over 40 weekly miles again (42.4 to be exact) and my body is starting to come around. I think it was just an extended lull after the Half. I would not recommend anyone ever racing 13.1 when you've only done 5-6 runs over 10 miles with 12 being the longest. And even though they are my favorite, I think I am cutting track workouts down for a bit. Did an abbreviated one last week and gonna skip tonight and just do some distance. The benefits/rewards of too much trackwork just doesn't seem worth it now because I still have natural speed but working on it too much hurts me, even though it's fun at the time. Jux, FYI you beat a guy who has run a 2:26 marathon the other day. The guy that "coaches" us and ran 1:19 at the Philly Half went out in 1:24:30 at Chicago and then crashed and burned and finished in 3:08. Said he was barely coherent and he was running 9 min miles at the end. And this is a guy who runs a LOT more distance than me. It's stories like these that reaffirm my fear and respect for the marathon and I know I need at least another good 4-6 months of base before attempting one. And makes me that much more impressed by those of you that do them and keep setting PRs.
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Ned
Footballguy
Wow - 2:26 to 3:08 had to be demoralizing.Good luck to everyone racing this weekend. Can't wait to see all the PRs
That's 5 good postings for 5 big PRs (beer, Ned, Ivan, TriMan, Jux), unless I miscounted. Awesome job, everyone! "Oh I'm hurt, I don't think I am gonna run, just doing this to train for something else"....y'all were sandbagging
Great race reports too. You guys inspire me everytime I think I'm too tired. I did get in 18 over the weekend (11 and 7) to get me over 40 weekly miles again (42.4 to be exact) and my body is starting to come around. I think it was just an extended lull after the Half. I would not recommend anyone ever racing 13.1 when you've only done 5-6 runs over 10 miles with 12 being the longest. And even though they are my favorite, I think I am cutting track workouts down for a bit. Did an abbreviated one last week and gonna skip tonight and just do some distance. The benefits/rewards of too much trackwork just doesn't seem worth it now because I still have natural speed but working on it too much hurts me, even though it's fun at the time.
Jux, FYI you beat a guy who has run a 2:26 marathon the other day. The guy that "coaches" us and ran 1:19 at the Philly Half went out in 1:24:30 at Chicago and then crashed and burned and finished in 3:08. Said he was barely coherent and he was running 9 min miles at the end. And this is a guy who runs a LOT more distance than me. It's stories like these that reaffirm my fear and respect for the marathon and I know I need at least another good 4-6 months of base before attempting one. And makes me that much more impressed by those of you that do them and keep setting PRs.
I'm glad you're seeing the light on the track work. I really don't believe in doing more than 1 speed/tempo workout per week. There's just too much downside risk with smaller returns vs. LSD. You absolutely have the natural talent/speed. Have you given thought to reading Advanced Marathoning? His concepts would be right up your alley, IMO. RE: sandbagging. I think I'm having to relearn how to be a runner all over again. The gains I've realized over this marathon cycle are blowing my mind and has made me quite skeptical of myself. I'm still mentally at a different place than my body is at (if that makes sense). I still feel like long runs at 9:00 are way too fast, even though my body (HR) is telling me otherwise. It all comes down to the age old saying - "trust the training". I can't friggin' wait to run this HM next Sunday with the hope that it just reaffirms what I did at the 15K.
Case in point - today I ran a 10mi MLR at lunch. Fully expecting to be a grind with some DOMS from Sunday's race, but lo and behold I was cruisin' like nothing ever happened (9:03/143). I would've been scared to death to run 10mi after a hard race, but here it was a relative walk in the park.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Ned -- You're showing some outrageous improvement this time around. You definitely need to mentally recalibrate your paces, because you're right that your current LSD speed is way the hell faster than whatever LSD-pace was this time last year.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So...6 done on Sunday.
7 w/5LT miles done (just was feeling good after the first mile and the HR was so money that day I wanted to pick up the pace some as flat as it is here).
Another 6-7 on tap for tomorrow morning and 10 possibly on Thursday morning.
Not bad for a vacation where I am also throwing in a ton of walking miles around Disney.
And other than the meat drunk I got at Ohana...I have been doing ok with the eating.
Not so much the drinking at Epcot though. That food and wine fest thing had some good beers flowing in those countries.
And its not that I have not noticed it in the past year or so since losing more weight...but even moreso down here.
There are a ton of freaking big people out there.
I was big...but not "that" big...I can't imagine what it takes to get there...and how hard it would be to fight to get to where I am now from that point.
Though...to get there would start early for many of them I would think (considering the size of some of their kids).
Could not imagine letting my kids get like that either...
7 w/5LT miles done (just was feeling good after the first mile and the HR was so money that day I wanted to pick up the pace some as flat as it is here).
Another 6-7 on tap for tomorrow morning and 10 possibly on Thursday morning.
Not bad for a vacation where I am also throwing in a ton of walking miles around Disney.
And other than the meat drunk I got at Ohana...I have been doing ok with the eating.
Not so much the drinking at Epcot though. That food and wine fest thing had some good beers flowing in those countries.
And its not that I have not noticed it in the past year or so since losing more weight...but even moreso down here.
There are a ton of freaking big people out there.
I was big...but not "that" big...I can't imagine what it takes to get there...and how hard it would be to fight to get to where I am now from that point.
Though...to get there would start early for many of them I would think (considering the size of some of their kids).
Could not imagine letting my kids get like that either...
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Miscellaneous
Footballguy
5K in 36 minutes; then the full 7K in 52. Felt GREAT when I hit the hill on the way back, so I ran an extra quarter-mile up before I wore down.
Miscellaneous
Footballguy
IK: amazing race... I can't even imagine feeling like that in miles 20-26. Incredible work.
I just have to laugh at the story of the marathoner bonking and running the last 9 miles at a pace faster than my 5k.
All you long-distance guys: what age did you really get started? I'm 31, and I can't imagine ever doing more than 15-18 miles. I can see doing'a little more than a HM', but not a double-HM.
I just have to laugh at the story of the marathoner bonking and running the last 9 miles at a pace faster than my 5k.
All you long-distance guys: what age did you really get started? I'm 31, and I can't imagine ever doing more than 15-18 miles. I can see doing'a little more than a HM', but not a double-HM.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't remember exactly when I started running, but it was probably when I was around 30. Basically I was just getting a little squishy and needed to do something to keep my weight down, so I ran purely for fitness for a few years. Back then I was running something like 3 miles a day, 3 days a week. Then my wife talked me into a racing a 5K, I liked it, and so I started running a little more, but still not even 15 mpw. The for some reason I decided it would be a good idea to jump straight from 5Ks to the marathon using Hal Higdon's novice program. I completed my first marathon in 2007 when I was 34. It featured lots of walking and a finish time just shy of 5 hours; that race report is way back there in this thread someplace. I've been running pretty seriously since then. Unlike many of the guys in this thread, I have absolutely no HS background in running or athletics of any kind. I have asthma, and while it's very well controlled now, treatments for asthma weren't as good when I was young so sports were out of the question. So when you look at me, you want to keep in mind that I started with nothing and every single bit of speed (not much) and endurance (quite a bit) I've added has come since my mid-30s.
Ned
Footballguy
That's pretty cool to know. I didn't know that about you.
I ran track and cross country in HS and had some practice time with UD track my freshman year in college. I was a sprinter and still have that mentality today. It's been a steep learning curve learning this long distance stuff. 
I was a ####### and walked away from it all. Made many feable attempts at rekindling my love for running, but failed. Finally caught the sickness in 2010 and haven't looked back since. I'll be 34 in November.I think just about every single one of us here have said the same thing about not running a full marathon. You stick with it long enough, it'll sneak up on ya quick. Before you know it you'll be 8 weeks into a marathon training cycle and think "WTF happened?!".
beer 302
Footballguy
Nice job knocking out mileage on vacation, Disney is very runner friendly from what I hear.As to your second point, I do this every place I go anymore. And like you, I'm not some poster child for weight loss (I think the BMI still tells me I'm overweight & fat) but man, it seems like every other person I see anymore is obesely overweight. I agree that this isn't something that just happens one night when you binge out on twinkies, it's a lifestyle that you mentally have to maintain to stay at a weight that high. I work with a woman that starts the day with a bag of chips for breakfast. . .not a small bag. Then she moves on to lunch where, because she's around us, is typically under control. She'll eat half and throw half in the fridge for dinner but she absolutely has to strap on the feed bag when she gets home to be as large as she is, like from 5-10pm non-stop. I can't imagine taking in that many calories and not moving.MISC - I started running, seriously, in March-ish. I've always been athletic but more weight lifting than running. Actually throughout my football/track career I hated running. Was a lineman and threw shot/disc in track. Avoided running like the plague but was always fast in the 40 which was typically the extent of my distance effort. Like Ivan I've ran to control weight but never anything like what I'm doing now. These goofballs are contagious. If you read one of my first posts in this thread I'm pretty sure I said I had no desire to run a race, just wanted to run. Ran my first race last week, have one this Saturday and signed up for a 1/2 in November
Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
I was a mediocre cross-country runner in H.S. and kept up some running through the years. I think I started racing about five years after grad school (in my late 20s) due to some company sponsorship for employees. I stayed with the short stuff - mostly 5Ks - and peaked in my mid-30s (18:08 PR). I was also doing some triathlons and generally stayed with the mix of a summer Olympic tri and some 5K to 10 mile races for about 20 years. That was a good balance with family life. It was only after a couple of half-IM races that I thought about doing a marathon, and that was just to test the waters to see if I might want to consider a full IM, which finishes with a marathon. So my first marathon (of five I've now done) was in 2007 at age 51. I only did my first HM a year or two before that.
AcerFC
Footballguy
I didnt run in HS. I played soccer and lacrosse
I started running a few miles when I was in my 20s. Decided to run a marathon when I was 29 in 2007. Had no idea how to train and ultimately tanked. I ran 5:24 and walked the last 4 miles because of cramping.
Thanks to this thread, I am so much more of an efficient runner right now that I cant wait to get back into the marathon game. I just need to find one where I can get enough training time. Maybe the 18/70 even though its grueling. And it needs to be relatively close since I cant go flying all over. I love the idea of the Disney marathon but cant due to cost
I started running a few miles when I was in my 20s. Decided to run a marathon when I was 29 in 2007. Had no idea how to train and ultimately tanked. I ran 5:24 and walked the last 4 miles because of cramping.
Thanks to this thread, I am so much more of an efficient runner right now that I cant wait to get back into the marathon game. I just need to find one where I can get enough training time. Maybe the 18/70 even though its grueling. And it needs to be relatively close since I cant go flying all over. I love the idea of the Disney marathon but cant due to cost
tri-man 47
Footballguy
What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
Ned
Footballguy
What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
Find a good massage therapist ASAP and get a good deep tissue massage. Tell them about your ITBS and they'll work on the ITB.
Ned
Footballguy
Unless you're consistently running 40-50 mpw right now, I'd be very leery of jumping right into 18/70. It's taken just about all I've had to keep up with 18/70, and that was after already running around 1100mi for the year before starting it. I wouldn't overlook 18/55, it's no joke.
AcerFC
Footballguy
Didnt take a lot to convince me. Thanks
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I was averaging 35-40 mpw before starting 18/55, and that plan was plenty. Granted, I had atrocious training conditions all summer so that made it harder than what the mileage would indicate, but 18/55 is definitely a good plan. You'll be prepared on race day.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Junior High. I planned to play football, basketball, and run track but I got hit by a car before 7th grade and ripped up my knee pretty good. Doctor's wouldn't clear me to play football, but said I would be ok to run and stay in shape for basketball so I went out for cross country. I was a very ordinary runner and didn't take it too seriously since it was only to stay in shape for basketball and kinda hovered between 6th and 10th best throughout the year. Doc's cleared me for basketball then I went out for track. Day 1, coaches had everyone do two repeat miles with a 10 minute rest in between. My miles - 5:45 and 5:55
I finished at least 30 seconds in front of everyone. My coaches didn't let me play football anymore, I was a runner.I topped out at 16:55 in the 5k and 4:31 in the mile Jr. year of high school, but a car accident early Sr. year and Mono at the beginning of track season derailed Sr. year. I probably would've had D1 offers for the 1500, but due to those issues only received D2 and D3's. I got a full academic scholarship to go to a D1 school, so I scratched athletics in college.I ran a marathon in 2003, age 20, but was very inconsistent with running otherwise in college. I probably trained incorrectly for that marathon as I was chasing a 3:45 but came down with shin splints 3 weeks before the race, so instead of tapering I basically did no running for 3 weeks leading to the race. I stayed with the 3:45 group for about 15 miles and was still on pace for sub 4 hours until mile 21 but the last 5 were a complete, utter disaster - yes, I'm a statistic. Ended up at 4:17 with some ugly splits to finish.Until this summer, I hadn't ran more than 5 miles since. I got fat shortly after college then got into similar shape as I was in Sr. year of high school and dabbled in personal training for a while. Ran some, but worked out and played organized rec sports more. I didn't really get back into running until about 15 months ago. Not following a training program I ran a 5 miler in 31:30 last Thanksgiving and that's really what has pushed me into focusing more on running since then. It's been a bumpy year (had one 30+ mile week), but I think I can at the very least beat my adult 5k PR (18:32) and last year's 5 miler and given the knowledge I have now can one-up those next year as now I know a lot more than I did 6 months ago. Still not sure I'll ever do a marathon again, but 10k's? 10 miler's? HM's? Likely. Lots of props to pass around in here I just think that I haven't logged enough miles so my cardio isn't where it should be. That's why I'm really trying to log the miles. If I rest, get healthy, but don't have the cardio because I haven't logged enough miles I'm assuming I'll struggle at the race. Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way?What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
Good suggestion, will do. Would Physical Therapy offer this or am I looking for a specialized massage therapist?What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
MAC_32
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Neither decision is ideal, but if you try to run hurt you probably won't finish. If you get healthy, while your time will suffer, you'll be more likely to finish. I guess you need to decide what your goal is - just to finish, PR, sub 4. If you're racing for a time it may make sense to continue to battle, but just understand the risk that you may not finish and/or end up on the shelf for a long time post race.I just think that I haven't logged enough miles so my cardio isn't where it should be. That's why I'm really trying to log the miles. If I rest, get healthy, but don't have the cardio because I haven't logged enough miles I'm assuming I'll struggle at the race. Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way?What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
Sand
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It isn't often I completely disagree with a statement in this thread, but (sorry Beer), I have to here. Disney (Orlando, at least) is awful for runners. Near the park there is literally one decently long sidewalk to run on. The rest of the roads are very busy and have no shoulder.I do know where that one sidewalk is, so if anyone goes and really wants to run I can help.
beer 302
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Guess I shouldn't believe all I read, eh? I'll defer to Sand on this since the last time I was there, I was 40lbs heavier and the only running I did was between ice cream stands.I'm not going to disagree with you, but it seems there are several paths, albeit if you're looking to bust out a 20 miler you might be running the same course 15 times.
http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/recreation/jogging-trails/
AcerFC
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I'm not going to disagree with you, but it seems there are several paths, albeit if you're looking to bust out a 20 miler you might be running the same course 15 times.
I doubt I run much but T minus 2 weeks for me
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Yeah, that's about it, unfortunately. Have you been able to do any 20 milers and had some big mileage weeks? I.e., do you feel like you've got a solid base? Maybe instead of continuing with mileage you rest up as needed, then do some short, hard tempo work in a couple of weeks. Tough call ...tough call.Neither decision is ideal, but if you try to run hurt you probably won't finish. If you get healthy, while your time will suffer, you'll be more likely to finish. I guess you need to decide what your goal is - just to finish, PR, sub 4. If you're racing for a time it may make sense to continue to battle, but just understand the risk that you may not finish and/or end up on the shelf for a long time post race.I just think that I haven't logged enough miles so my cardio isn't where it should be. That's why I'm really trying to log the miles. If I rest, get healthy, but don't have the cardio because I haven't logged enough miles I'm assuming I'll struggle at the race. Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way?What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
Ned
Footballguy
If you know a good PT, it wouldn't hurt to ask. At the very least, they may have some recommendations. I'd be on the lookout for an MT that specializes in sports and ideally running. I was lucky enough to stumble on to a fantastic MT that was advertising at all of the local races. Maybe check some race flyers? Ask your primary doc?I had a fight with ITBS last year and my MT worked it right out for me. It was seriously night and day difference in a matter of 2 days. Not to get your hopes up, but it's possible.Good suggestion, will do. Would Physical Therapy offer this or am I looking for a specialized massage therapist?What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
15 was my longest. Sprinkle in a few 10 milers. No big mileage weeks. My goal is to break 4, not to just finish, but I think I'm setting myself up for failure. It's the least I've trained for any marathon, and the most pain I've ever dealt with as well. The smart thing would probably be to defer, get the PRP done (did it on my other knee a few years ago and have been pain free), and train right for 2013 and kill it. :thinking:Appreciate all your guys input and suggestions.Yeah, that's about it, unfortunately. Have you been able to do any 20 milers and had some big mileage weeks? I.e., do you feel like you've got a solid base? Maybe instead of continuing with mileage you rest up as needed, then do some short, hard tempo work in a couple of weeks. Tough call ...tough call.Neither decision is ideal, but if you try to run hurt you probably won't finish. If you get healthy, while your time will suffer, you'll be more likely to finish. I guess you need to decide what your goal is - just to finish, PR, sub 4. If you're racing for a time it may make sense to continue to battle, but just understand the risk that you may not finish and/or end up on the shelf for a long time post race.I just think that I haven't logged enough miles so my cardio isn't where it should be. That's why I'm really trying to log the miles. If I rest, get healthy, but don't have the cardio because I haven't logged enough miles I'm assuming I'll struggle at the race. Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way?What good will the 5 milers do you? I would think it'd be better to rest until Saturday. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shut it down now and rest for a few weeks. You might lose some fitness, but better to run healthy at 95% of fitness than run with a bum leg at 100% of fitness. Amby Burfoot has a nice article in the new Runners World. He comments on the body's ability to heal ...so rest and let it heal. I do hope you're able to run the race!Looks like I'll be muscling my way through NYC this year. This will be my 4th NYC, so knowing what to expect should help me somewhat. I ran my first 2 in 3:50, and the last one in 2010 in 4:00. I also ran NJ in 3:42 in 2006. Anywho, my ITB is really bothering me again. I stretch, roll it, ice it, etc., but when the miles pile up the pain becomes severe. So I was able to do 15 last weekend, my longest run so far and we're 4 weeks away from the marathon. The pain since the run has been so bad I haven't run this week. I plan on doing maybe 5 today, tomorrow and Friday, and then I will try and do 20 on Saturday. If I can get the 20 in I think my cardio will be good enough to be able to run the marathon. If I can't get through the 20 I may shut it down. Ahhh, the joys of marathon training.
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Ned
Footballguy
Get some!!4 days.
What's the weather forecast looking like? How's the forest floor up in your neck of the woods? Leaves gotta be falling quicker up there than it is here in DE.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Sorry to be the guy to say this, but I think I would cut my losses and just bag this one. You're undertrained and injured and that usually leads to a horrible experience on race day. I would just try to get healthy and target a different race.15 was my longest. Sprinkle in a few 10 milers. No big mileage weeks. My goal is to break 4, not to just finish, but I think I'm setting myself up for failure. It's the least I've trained for any marathon, and the most pain I've ever dealt with as well. The smart thing would probably be to defer, get the PRP done (did it on my other knee a few years ago and have been pain free), and train right for 2013 and kill it. :thinking:
Appreciate all your guys input and suggestions.
gruecd
Footballguy
It's supposed to rain all day Saturday and pretty much up until race time on Sunday, so the course will likely be wet. Lesser chance of showers during the race with temps in the mid- to upper 50s. Not horrible, but about 10 degrees warmer than ideal. It's been windy here lately, too, so the the course is gonna be covered with (wet) leaves, making an already difficult course even harder.Shooting for sub-5, hopefully top-10 overall.Get some!!4 days.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This sounds kind of horrible, like falling-down-every-few-miles horrible. Good luck.It's supposed to rain all day Saturday and pretty much up until race time on Sunday, so the course will likely be wet. Lesser chance of showers during the race with temps in the mid- to upper 50s. Not horrible, but about 10 degrees warmer than ideal. It's been windy here lately, too, so the the course is gonna be covered with (wet) leaves, making an already difficult course even harder.Shooting for sub-5, hopefully top-10 overall.Get some!!4 days.
gruecd
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I figure I'll fall a couple of times, but hopefully it's not that bad....This sounds kind of horrible, like falling-down-every-few-miles horrible. Good luck.It's supposed to rain all day Saturday and pretty much up until race time on Sunday, so the course will likely be wet. Lesser chance of showers during the race with temps in the mid- to upper 50s. Not horrible, but about 10 degrees warmer than ideal. It's been windy here lately, too, so the the course is gonna be covered with (wet) leaves, making an already difficult course even harder.Shooting for sub-5, hopefully top-10 overall.Get some!!4 days.
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