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Ran a 10k in June (3 Viewers)

'beer 302 said:
Side topic: how big are you long distance guys :unsure: I see Jux is about my height but about 30 pounds lighter. My "size" was another reason I didn't embrace the real long stuff before. Not that I'm big by average Joe standards by any means but before serious traing I was 5'11 and about 180. With all these miles I am weighing in at about 164-167. Even when I was younger I raced at 158-162. I never had the typical long distance build.
Always been a weights first guy, now I'm just trying to maintain my muscle as much as I can with the running schedule I've adopted and it ain't been easy. 5'11" 190 right now and I'm good at that weight, if i drop a few more that's fine but I'm not really looking for or trying to lose anymore. Started at 232 in January (probably my biggest ever), have always been comfortable in the 210 range. Running dropped the extra 20 off to get me to where I'm at now.
so not Pony Boy'ish?
 
Hey Gru, been busier that hell, but didn't want to miss the chance to wish you a GRUB-FREE, kick ### run through the woods on Sunday!!!! I know you'll be dialed in, but try to take it all in. Fall colors are in full effect. I saw there is rain in the forecast. Quoting the Granddad of Hanson's Running (their own Tri-Man of sorts) when I expressed some worry about rain before my first trail 1/2, "rain is good, that damn trail is a sandy pain in the ### when its dry". HAVE FUN.

 
'beer 302 said:
Side topic: how big are you long distance guys :unsure: I see Jux is about my height but about 30 pounds lighter. My "size" was another reason I didn't embrace the real long stuff before. Not that I'm big by average Joe standards by any means but before serious traing I was 5'11 and about 180. With all these miles I am weighing in at about 164-167. Even when I was younger I raced at 158-162. I never had the typical long distance build.
Always been a weights first guy, now I'm just trying to maintain my muscle as much as I can with the running schedule I've adopted and it ain't been easy. 5'11" 190 right now and I'm good at that weight, if i drop a few more that's fine but I'm not really looking for or trying to lose anymore. Started at 232 in January (probably my biggest ever), have always been comfortable in the 210 range. Running dropped the extra 20 off to get me to where I'm at now.
so not Pony Boy'ish?
Depends, then or now? I've seen the before & after pics and he has not aged well from the elite slow pitch softball status of 15 years ago.
 
Hey Gru, been busier that hell, but didn't want to miss the chance to wish you a GRUB-FREE, kick ### run through the woods on Sunday!!!! I know you'll be dialed in, but try to take it all in. Fall colors are in full effect. I saw there is rain in the forecast. Quoting the Granddad of Hanson's Running (their own Tri-Man of sorts) when I expressed some worry about rain before my first trail 1/2, "rain is good, that damn trail is a sandy pain in the ### when its dry". HAVE FUN.
:goodposting:Just coming in to hop on the "wish Gru luck" bandwagon. Kill it man!
 
Hey Gru, been busier that hell, but didn't want to miss the chance to wish you a GRUB-FREE, kick ### run through the woods on Sunday!!!! I know you'll be dialed in, but try to take it all in. Fall colors are in full effect. I saw there is rain in the forecast. Quoting the Granddad of Hanson's Running (their own Tri-Man of sorts) when I expressed some worry about rain before my first trail 1/2, "rain is good, that damn trail is a sandy pain in the ### when its dry". HAVE FUN.
:goodposting:Just coming in to hop on the "wish Gru luck" bandwagon. Kill it man!
:goodposting: And good luck to Beer. I'm expecting a much improved time now since you're a race veteran.
 
Hey Gru, been busier that hell, but didn't want to miss the chance to wish you a GRUB-FREE, kick ### run through the woods on Sunday!!!! I know you'll be dialed in, but try to take it all in. Fall colors are in full effect. I saw there is rain in the forecast. Quoting the Granddad of Hanson's Running (their own Tri-Man of sorts) when I expressed some worry about rain before my first trail 1/2, "rain is good, that damn trail is a sandy pain in the ### when its dry". HAVE FUN.
:goodposting:Just coming in to hop on the "wish Gru luck" bandwagon. Kill it man!
:goodposting: And good luck to Beer. I'm expecting a much improved time now since you're a race veteran.
:goodposting: Go get 'em.
 
Race Report

I did Twin Cities back in 2010, running 3:58:54. This time around I knew I was better trained and there was no real doubt in my mind that I would PR, but aside from that I didn’t really have a goal time, not even when I lined up in my corral. All I wanted to do was run a good race. I had decided a few weeks ago that I was going to run by feel, going conservative early on and saving energy for the back end of the course, which features a few hills and a long, 2-mile climb. As you’ll see, the result of this “strategy” is that my splits bounce around a bit because I freely allowed my pace to fall on uphills and cruised the downhills.

As FBG26 mentioned, it was pretty cold with 32 degrees at the 8:00 start. The forecast was for the upper-30s by 10:00 and upper-40s by noon. When I went to bed the night before, I was planning on long sleeves, but I changed my mind in the morning, going with short sleeves instead. I cut the toes out of some old tube socks to use as arm-warmers (this trick is money) and put on some 3-pairs-for-$2 gloves I had picked up at Wal-Mart earlier in the week. I also spit in the face of the running gods by wearing a brand new t-shirt on race day (ZOMG!!1!1!!). Taped up the nips, body glided the thighs, and I was good to go. I also wore a 4:00 pace band, not because I was going to run that pace, but because having the numbers in front of me would make the math of figuring out how I was doing easier.

Miles 1-3 (9:28, 8:46, 8:53) – I lined up in between the 3:45 and 4:00 pace groups, but I was getting passed by pretty much everybody during this segment. This part takes place in downtown Minneapolis, and your garmin is completely unreliable here so I didn’t really know what pace I was running. At one point my 305 said that I was booking along at a 5:00/mi pace, but I think that may have been slightly wrong. Actually, I think that 9:28 first mile is also a little off; the clock at the 1 mile marker had me at 8:40-something, and I was never passed by the 4:00 group. But whatever. I just kept telling myself that it was going to be a lot of fun passing all these people back during the final 6-8 miles.

Miles 4-7 (8:38, 8:45, 8:45, 8:45) – Okay, now we’re out of the downtown area and I’ve got it dialed in.

Miles 8-10 (8:41, 8:44, 8:37) -- Lots of rolling hills here. I remember the first time I ran this thinking that this course is hillier than advertised, but I suspected that I might have been imagining things. Nope, it really is kind of hilly. When you live in a pancake-flat community, you notice this. At mile 10, I did a mental inventory and everything checked out. It felt like I could run indefinitely at this pace, which is what it’s supposed to feel like at this point.

Miles 11-13 (8:40, 8:51, 8:43) – Still cruising along okay with a few more hills. My official 13.1 split was 1:55:24. This was the point where I started to think that 3:50 was a possibility, but a remote one. That was going to require a negative split on a course that is not friendly to negative splits at all. Earlier in this segment, I caught up with a woman who couldn’t have been much over 4’ tall and at least 60 years old. She was listening to music, but kept repeating “keep your pace, keep your pace” out loud constantly. Props to her for being out there, but she was seriously getting on my nerves. And there was obviously no way she was going to hold up for another 15 miles at the pace she had gone out at. Annoyingly, she latched on to me for a while, but I dropped her after half a mile or so.

Miles 14-18 (8:46, 8:38, 8:43, 8:43, 8:47) – This is a relatively flat and easy section of the course. I knew it was here, and my pre-race plan had been to speed up in this area, still being mindful to conserve energy for the back-loaded hills to come. Reviewing it now, I’m unhappy with my splits here. I could have knocked 30-60 seconds off my overall time here pretty easily. I wasn’t tired, so I have to chalk this one up to poor race-day discipline. Starting to pass people here though.

Miles 19-22 (8:51, 8:46, 8:44, 8:48) – Mile 19 features a steep climb to the Franklin Street bridge, which takes you into St. Paul. Then there’s another hill. Then there’s Summit Avenue, which starts off with a continuous two mile climb. I had dropped about 90 seconds on this segment the last time I ran it, and I knew I wouldn’t be able to incorporate many hills into my training, so I was counting on raw volume to make up for it. Nailed it. I know Pfitzinger isn’t writing literature, but he has a nice line about how the last 10K is the part that poorly-prepared runners fear and well-trained marathoners relish. I was definitely loving this part. This is why I was getting up at 3:00 am all summer to get in my MLRs. My training paid off here big time. I was passing people right and left during this part. Quite a few walkers and “stopping to stretch” guys.

Miles 23-25 (8:46, 8:40, 8:41) – Now that the worst hills were behind me, it was time to coast to the finish. At this point, it was like everybody except me was on a conveyor belt that was moving backwards. I kept trying to lasso people and reel them in, but I was passing so many people so fast that I had a hard time finding victims who lasted more than a quarter mile or so. A strange sight at mile 24. Some lady stepped out onto the course to get up in the face of some guy in front of me who had stopped to walk. She literally her finger in the guy’s face and was yelling something like “Hey Number 4321, you put one foot in front of the other and RUN, mister!” There was absolutely no sign that these two people knew one another, and I can’t believe she didn’t get laid out. On the plus side, she’s probably great in the sack.

Mile 26, the next 0.2, and 0.15 of garmin stoppage time (8:25, 1:32, 1:03) – The finish is a huge, steep downhill which I was basically sprinting -- relatively speaking -- with a big assist from gravity. I knew that 3:50 was going to be very, very close, so I had no shame about being “that guy” who was going all-out at the finish. With 30 seconds left to go, I thought I had it, but unfortunately I came up just slightly short.

Official time: 3:50:04 (8:47/mi)

2465 out of 8781 overall

1843 out of 5094 men

308 out of 803 M4044

I’m extremely happy with this. In hindsight, I could have probably gotten another minute or two by running a little faster early on and by watching my pace during the intermediate part of the race. But the important thing is that there was never any time on the course when there was any doubt about being able finish the distance. Covering 26.2 miles by itself was a non-issue, so I was free the whole way to really race this instead of just doing it.

It’s likely going to be a while before I do another marathon, so I’m glad I had a good one yesterday. Also, I’d like add that in 2012 I’ve now set new PRs in the 10K, half, and full, so it goes without saying that I’m very highly motivated for the two 5Ks I’ve got coming up between now and Thanksgiving.
Just able to take a breath after the last week. Congrats Ivan on such a great event and time. Noticed that everyone of your splits was within a +/- 8 sec window except the first and last. That's pretty amazing. I can't ever imagine running a 5k race that consistantly, much less a marathon. You said your splits bounced around, but it really doesn't look like it.You've been very diligent with your training and it paid off well. Did anyone pass you on the second half of the course?

You mention that this will be your last marathon for a while. Are you going into quasi retiremnt?

 
Good and bad news today...

The good news - the 2 days of rest and aggressive therapy (iced and got freaky with my foam roller all weekend) did my quad wonders. It must've been a really tight trigger spot. So all systems were a go...

The bad news - 1:10 didn't stand a friggin' chance today!

30th Delaware Distance Classic - 15K

The morning pre-race routine was normal. The butterflies were going, but I was more worried about how the quad would respond during warmups than the actual race. I took off for a 2mi warmup run as soon as we got there while my wife got the bibs/shirts. I knew within the first 5 steps that my quad was fine, but I stuck with the warmup to make sure I was thoroughly loosened up. It was a text book day for running - 49 degrees and cloudy.

My plan was to treat this similar to how I treat a 5K where the first 5K = first mile, second 5K = 2nd mile, etc. So I wanted to go out on the fast side for the first 5K, then settle in for the 2nd 5K at a moderately hard effort, then slowly open the throttle up during the last 5K.

First 5K went by quickly. I thought I was giving it the old Sand effort. There was a lot of people still around, so it was fun actually mixing it up for a change. I always seem to get stuck in no-man's land at these races, but not today. First 3 miles = 7:07/171, 7:09/178, 7:06/175. First 5K roughly 22:07.

Second 5K had a few small hills to it so I settled in and watched my HR. 178 is my LT which is the perfect target for this race distance. So I loosely watched that during this section. There was a shorter fella running with me who was clearly racing with me. We had a lot of jockeying back and forth, but I could tell by his breathing he wasn't going to hang for long. By mile 6, he was dropped. Loads of fun... Next 3 miles = 7:12/177, 7:11/178, 7:11/178. Second 5K roughly 22:17

We hit the turn around pretty close to the 10K mark and I decided it was go time. I was feelin' it and started picking out targets. It was one of those runs where I didn't bother looking at the runner in front of me, I wanted the runner in front of them. I caught a guy that looked like a 10yrs older version of myself. Same height, weight, cadence, etc. We jockeyed back and forth for most of mile 7, but he fell back. It was really starting to hurt at this point, but I knew I had something special going. No turning back now. Throw all the wood on the fire.... Last 3mi = 7:02/180, 7:00/182, 7:00/183. Last 5K roughly 21:45

Finishing the last 0.3 was weird. You wanted to hammer, but it's just long enough to where you can't really sprint the whole damn thing. I slowly built my momentum here and picked off quite a few people. I caught one last guy on the last turn and slingshotted by him and he gave me a "great finish" as I went by. So cool. 6:36 pace for the last 0.3 to come in at 1:06:32.

I never in a million years saw myself running this. I was confident I had a sub 1:10 in me, but not a 1:06!! That was the single best managed race I think I've ever run. Teetering right on the edge of LT for that long was fun. I imagined toeing over a cliff and trying to balance without falling over the cliff.

The icing on the cake was my wife getting her own PR at the 5K - 30:24. She's been putting in some good training lately. She's about ready to start tackling some speed work now that she's got a solid aerobic base. :wub:
Geez you just kept getting faster Ned. Very well run and disciplined race. Heart rate is saying that you're very well trained right now. McMillain is saying 3:21:29. :popcorn: Looking forward to seeing you crush your upcoming half. Be sure to re-adjust your goals and mindset with your improving fitness.

 
When did you realize you were ready to run after Boston?
I don't understand the question. :confused:
'tri-man 47 said:
As to the latter, does that mean you're prepping for the Ironman Clydesdale Relay with BnB and gruecd? :popcorn: :rolleyes:
I said tubby, not : :porked:
Careful....
5'7" 146 lbs here
this was me in 7th grade
:goodposting:
Hey Gru, been busier that hell, but didn't want to miss the chance to wish you a GRUB-FREE, kick ### run through the woods on Sunday!!!! I know you'll be dialed in, but try to take it all in. Fall colors are in full effect. I saw there is rain in the forecast. Quoting the Granddad of Hanson's Running (their own Tri-Man of sorts) when I expressed some worry about rain before my first trail 1/2, "rain is good, that damn trail is a sandy pain in the ### when its dry". HAVE FUN.
Thanks, 2Young. And thanks to the rest of you, too. I'm excited!!
 
'tri-man 47 said:
As to the latter, does that mean you're prepping for the Ironman Clydesdale Relay with BnB and gruecd? :popcorn: :rolleyes:
I said tubby, not : :porked:
Careful....
:lmao: I see how that could be taken the wrong way. It was self-referential.

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As a side note got my first ride in in the last couple weeks. Felt good to be out there and the weather was awesome. Of course, I had to pick the hilliest route out there - over 100'/mile climbing. First night ride, too, which was interesting. Downhills were a good anal puckering time (though somehow I managed to rank 7/87 on Strava with a descent - not smart!).

 
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Chicago Marathon Race Report

Almost perfect marathon running weather. 40s throughout, I think. No precipitation. A little too windy, perhaps, but, of course, Chicago is the Windy City. I got to my start corral an hour early so, unfortunately, there was plenty of time to freeze and shiver ahead of time. Once the race started, though, I was plenty warm.

My original plan for this one wasn’t to PR. As most of you remember, I PRed in early June with a 3:08. I would have had to start over again right away for an 18 week training program and didn’t have the heart for it. I decided I’d do the Pfitzinger 12 week (up to 55 miles) plan and those other 6 weeks to focus more on speed to help set some half marathon PRs. The non-PR plan changed, however, when I saw the forecast. Most of the past several Chicago Marathons have had hot weather so I was going under the assumption it would be hot again. I thought I had a good chance to PR with nice weather! So, for this one, my plan was to try to run 7:0x miles -- slightly faster than the 3:08 which averaged 7:11 miles.

Everything went well this morning. I woke up rested for once -- I usually have trouble sleeping the night before and I was able to eat (I hardly ever eat breakfast and eating early is often hard for me to do).

Earlier in the week I mentioned my stained (self-diagnosis) calf. It was a bit painful throughout but I don’t think it really affected me. It seems to hurt more the first few steps after resting and when climbing stairs than when running.

GPS watches don’t work well in downtown Chicago. I was hoping my new Garmin would work better than my old 305 but it didn’t. I assume it’s the tall buildings. My mile splits on the Garmin aren’t very accurate so I’ll post my official 5K splits instead. However, I did wear my heart rate monitor for the first time during a longer race and am glad I did. Those will be mile averages.

1st 5K 22:15, 7:10 average mile, HR mile averages 178, 185, 171

The pace of the crowd was slower than I thought it would be to start. I was in the A start corral that you must qualify for with a sub 3:10 marathon or an equally fast half marathon. I did purposely start toward the back of A, so I guess it’s not surprising in retrospect. I purposely started a bit slower than goal pace so I could warm up and not be too hard on my calf right away (I personally don’t like to do a warm up run before marathons -- I figure that’s spent energy I’d like to keep for mile 26. Heart rate was through the roof for me, though. The topic of monitors taking a while before giving accurate readings came up a few weeks ago in the thread. I don’t know if that’s the case here. I often get an early spike but it never has lasted over a mile!

10K 21:39, 6:59 pace, HR 168, 157, 159

My heart rate finally fell and I started to get in a grove here. I was running a little faster than plan here but I was feeling comfortable with 7:00 miles.

15K 21:38, 6:58 pace, HR 159, 158, 156

20K 21:37, 6:58 pace, HR 154, 154, 155

Why would my HR being going down here when one would expect it do start creeping? Odd.

At 13.1 miles: 1:31:49.

I remember thinking, “Damn! I think Tri-man beat me.”

25K 21:39, 6:59 pace, HR 157, 159, 156

I was pleased that I seemed to be running even splits. However, I was tiring. I had hoped to feel stronger at the point.

30K 21:42, 7:00 pace, HR 157, 158, 160

35K 21:53, 7:03 pace, HR 161, 163, 163

Heart rate creep in full force now. I was really struggling to keep the pace I was at.

40K 22:46, 7:20 pace, HR 164, 165, 164

Getting exhausted. Hamstrings, feet, calves really hurting. I worried that I might start walking. My pace was slowing but I didn’t care.

Final 1.2 ish miles, 7:32, HR 165, 167, 170 (3 HR splits since my Garmin measured way long.)

Grueling at the end although at this point I knew I had it.

Final time 3:05:26. 7:05 average pace. 1,203 overall out of 37,000+. 137 out of 3,460 in age group.

Happy about the PR, of course. I really want a sub 3:00 one day and it is nice to knock off another chunk to that goal. Hopefully I can reach it before Father Time starts making the goal unrealistic for me.
21.39, 21.38, 21.37, 21.39, 21.42, 21.53 - I don't know how you guys do this. Not only are you consistant, you are freaking fast. Well done on the PR...better yet, well done on just deciding to run a PR once you lined up. You'll get your sub-3:00, maybe at Boston if you have a great winter training cycle and do the work.I've been having issues with my heart rate monitor recently since the weather cooled. Besides spiking at the beginning, it's periodcally spiking during the run for 30-60 secs at a time. I'm seeing jumps from 13x to 15x. I've noticed when I tuck my shirt up underneath it, it settles down. :confused:

Will you and Gru be in the same corral at Boston? It would be cool if you could push each other to great results.

By the way...If I ever wanted to race you heads up in a 5k, in order to make it fair you would have to run a full marathon prior to racing me. :o

Congrats...I bet you're still flying high over this one.

 
Race Report from my Duathlon

A buddy of mine from work lost his father to Huntingtons disease and this rave was in his memeory. This was the first time I have ever been on a road bike. I used to ride my mountain bike a lot but have not ridden it in close to 5 years I would estimate. Instead of buying a new bike for thousands of dollars, I rented a Cannondale which retails for $1400 for $50 for the weekend. I rode 9 miles on Saturday and my ass was killing me.

I wanted to get a good nights sleep because between soccer and the kids I am exhausted. I was aiming to be asleep by 10:00. Turns out that was not a problem. I laid down with my daughter at 7:30 and passed out for the night. Woke up at 6 the next morning and started getting ready to go. It was cold out so I wore a long sleeve with a long sleeve jacket type thing that goes over your head.

I get to the site and lots of people already there. I recognize some people and some students. Im just hoping I can keep up with these people. I pick up my packet and bib and head back to the car for a cliff bar and water. I also had to reset my Garmin during this time. Thanks to youtube and smart phones.

The race was supposed to start at 8 but at 8:15 they made an announcement it was going to be another 20 minutes. I ran to the bathroom to empty the bin and was set to go. We were split into 5 waves and I was in wave 1. Not one person in the wave was familiar with the course. The clock went off and we were just trying to figure out which way to go. I told myself not to sand it because I had no idea how I would be having to ride 10 miles and then run another 2. So I went off at a nice light pace. About a little over a mile in, the people on the course told us the wrong way to go, so I estimate the people up front lost about a minute. The ones just behind them like me, probably lost 30 seconds. We all turned around and were even with the stragglers. The course was easy to navigate after that and finished the 2 miles in 16:42 with an avg HR of 160ish (47th overall out of 111).

Then it was time for the bike. I knew this was going to be problematic for me but wanted to give it my best. I got sent the wrong way by a cop and I estimate I lost another 30-45 seconds. Realizing I wasnt going to medal anyway, I didnt bum about it too much. About 6 miles in, a buddy tried to let me draft off him but I just couldnt seem to get to him and keep up so I told him to just go. The hills were the worst since I was going around 7-8 miles an hour and about half my wave passed me going up one steady incline. I stayed with it and finally pulled into the transition area. They advertised it as a 10 mile bike but it was less. I didnt take an accurate reading but it was around 9.5ish. I finished it in 37:21, (38th overall).

The weirdest feeling ever was getting off that bike and running again. The first minute was all wobbbly. But then I got my legs and tried to just push as much as I could. I didnt go all out but I was happy with my pace. I wound up finishing the last 2 miles in 16:32 (20th overall). It was probably easier since I was more familiar with the course and knew what was coming. At one point, when we went into the trails, I looked back to see what was going on behind me and almost bit it on a tree root. Dont even know why I cared.

So my total effort for the 2 mile run, 10 mile ride and 2 mile run was 1:10:35. Good for 33rd overall out of 111. I was 7/15 in my age group. They asked each person from our wave if we were affected by the errors but did not take any time off the final. I would estimate I lost a good minute but being 7/15 I didnt really care. I was just happy I finished.

Thanks again to everyone in this thread. I know I dont post a ton, but I am always reading and trying to catch up because you guys post a ton every day.
Top 1/3 rocks. :boxing: Very frustrating when they can't get a course set-up right. No excuses for messing that up when people are plunking down cash for an event.

 
Just got back from the Race For the Cure 5k. Had two objectives, well three I guess. Finally get in a race so Juxtatarot will get off my case ;) , break 27 for a 5k and not get chic'd by stroller dude. Got there stupid early because, well that's what I do so I had about an hour to kill but some of that time was going to be used up running to the site as I parked about 1 1/2 miles away. So ran over to warm up, finally met up with the folks who had my tag and went to the start. When I first got there, there were people milling about and frankly I was in my own little world so I never realy looked behind me, just wanted to make sure I was up close to the front because of the number of people running. 2 minutes before start I was where I wanted to be and decided to turn around to get a picture for posterity :shock:

I think most of them passed me. I got smoked by chics, kids, old, young, black, white, yellow, pink and with 20 yards left at the finish. . .stroller dude. Probably the biggest disappointment of the day but happy with the finish nonetheless, ran 26:09 unofficially with a 8:28 pace. I think the chip time will be closer to 26:13 but still a lot faster than I thought I could run. As I was rounding the 2 mile mark the cops said the leaders had just crossed the finished :shock: I'll be interested to see the final times, those guys were moving.

Oh, more importantly I drove the 1/2 marathon course coming up in November: http://runkeeper.com/user/ronnash/activity/123011991. I'm not sure who the ******* is that thought this one up but he can go straight hell. Some of those hills are stupid and they are back-to-back-to-back-to-back. I was seriously going to start doing some speed training during the week but think I'm just going to run hills from now until November.

Edit to add, chip time was 26:05 and as it turned out I tied stroller dude so I'm going to count that as a push (plus he's 21 years younger than me) :unsure: Finished 409th out of 3,051, 23rd out of 151 in my age group.
Are you doing the Huntersville half? The Charlotte course is a tough one.
 
Just got back from the Race For the Cure 5k. Had two objectives, well three I guess. Finally get in a race so Juxtatarot will get off my case ;) , break 27 for a 5k and not get chic'd by stroller dude. Got there stupid early because, well that's what I do so I had about an hour to kill but some of that time was going to be used up running to the site as I parked about 1 1/2 miles away. So ran over to warm up, finally met up with the folks who had my tag and went to the start. When I first got there, there were people milling about and frankly I was in my own little world so I never realy looked behind me, just wanted to make sure I was up close to the front because of the number of people running. 2 minutes before start I was where I wanted to be and decided to turn around to get a picture for posterity :shock:

I think most of them passed me. I got smoked by chics, kids, old, young, black, white, yellow, pink and with 20 yards left at the finish. . .stroller dude. Probably the biggest disappointment of the day but happy with the finish nonetheless, ran 26:09 unofficially with a 8:28 pace. I think the chip time will be closer to 26:13 but still a lot faster than I thought I could run. As I was rounding the 2 mile mark the cops said the leaders had just crossed the finished :shock: I'll be interested to see the final times, those guys were moving.

Oh, more importantly I drove the 1/2 marathon course coming up in November: http://runkeeper.com/user/ronnash/activity/123011991. I'm not sure who the ******* is that thought this one up but he can go straight hell. Some of those hills are stupid and they are back-to-back-to-back-to-back. I was seriously going to start doing some speed training during the week but think I'm just going to run hills from now until November.

Edit to add, chip time was 26:05 and as it turned out I tied stroller dude so I'm going to count that as a push (plus he's 21 years younger than me) :unsure: Finished 409th out of 3,051, 23rd out of 151 in my age group.
Are you doing the Huntersville half? The Charlotte course is a tough one.
 
21.39, 21.38, 21.37, 21.39, 21.42, 21.53 - I don't know how you guys do this. Not only are you consistant, you are freaking fast. Well done on the PR...better yet, well done on just deciding to run a PR once you lined up. You'll get your sub-3:00, maybe at Boston if you have a great winter training cycle and do the work.I've been having issues with my heart rate monitor recently since the weather cooled. Besides spiking at the beginning, it's periodcally spiking during the run for 30-60 secs at a time. I'm seeing jumps from 13x to 15x. I've noticed when I tuck my shirt up underneath it, it settles down. :confused: Will you and Gru be in the same corral at Boston? It would be cool if you could push each other to great results.By the way...If I ever wanted to race you heads up in a 5k, in order to make it fair you would have to run a full marathon prior to racing me. :o Congrats...I bet you're still flying high over this one.
Thanks for the kind words. I don't know how start corrals work at Boston. Gru?
 
Thanks for the kind words. I don't know how start corrals work at Boston. Gru?
He has more experience than me, but I was surprised how ..fluid.. the corrals were. You need to line up in the right corral (or back up), but there are SO many people that it becomes a mass of runners ebbing and flowing to the start - at least back where I was. Everyone shuffles forward, shuffles forward, then they cross the line and the walk becomes a run. Rather anticlimatic, actually! Back where I was, it was still a large group after crossing the start. The crowds (which slowed the pace) seemed to be offset by the downhill'ish start (which tends to increase the pace). It wasn't like most races where the waves are held, then start clean with a new horn/gun. Grue - different up front with you fast folks?Juxt, let me add, too, that I ran almost a 1/4 mile extra. Maybe the crowd thins out further up front, but the inability to run tangents added a lot of yardage. You might anticipate an extra 60-90 seconds due to that.

And grue - have a great run this weekend! Be patient; be smart. I know you'll do well.

 
21.39, 21.38, 21.37, 21.39, 21.42, 21.53 - I don't know how you guys do this. Not only are you consistant, you are freaking fast. Well done on the PR...better yet, well done on just deciding to run a PR once you lined up. You'll get your sub-3:00, maybe at Boston if you have a great winter training cycle and do the work.I've been having issues with my heart rate monitor recently since the weather cooled. Besides spiking at the beginning, it's periodcally spiking during the run for 30-60 secs at a time. I'm seeing jumps from 13x to 15x. I've noticed when I tuck my shirt up underneath it, it settles down. :confused: Will you and Gru be in the same corral at Boston? It would be cool if you could push each other to great results.By the way...If I ever wanted to race you heads up in a 5k, in order to make it fair you would have to run a full marathon prior to racing me. :o Congrats...I bet you're still flying high over this one.
Thanks for the kind words. I don't know how start corrals work at Boston. Gru?
Our qualifying times are pretty far apart. I highly doubt that we'll be in the same corral.
 
You mention that this will be your last marathon for a while. Are you going into quasi retiremnt?
I'll still be racing, but the marathon is a big time committment and I doubt I'll be able to do another one for a while. Plus, I mentioned a few times over the summer that I felt like training was just a huge grind this time around and I'm not eager to jump back into it. I'm sure I'll do another marathon at some point, but I'm not putting any calendar for now. I'd like to do more halves next year (only did one in 2012).
 
You mention that this will be your last marathon for a while. Are you going into quasi retiremnt?
I'll still be racing, but the marathon is a big time committment and I doubt I'll be able to do another one for a while. Plus, I mentioned a few times over the summer that I felt like training was just a huge grind this time around and I'm not eager to jump back into it. I'm sure I'll do another marathon at some point, but I'm not putting any calendar for now. I'd like to do more halves next year (only did one in 2012).
Understand the grind...that's why I take off huges chunks of time and multi-sport. You were so dedicated and methodically this cycle. Wish my schedule and lifestyle was more conducive to that.
 
'gruecd said:
21.39, 21.38, 21.37, 21.39, 21.42, 21.53 - I don't know how you guys do this. Not only are you consistant, you are freaking fast. Well done on the PR...better yet, well done on just deciding to run a PR once you lined up. You'll get your sub-3:00, maybe at Boston if you have a great winter training cycle and do the work.I've been having issues with my heart rate monitor recently since the weather cooled. Besides spiking at the beginning, it's periodcally spiking during the run for 30-60 secs at a time. I'm seeing jumps from 13x to 15x. I've noticed when I tuck my shirt up underneath it, it settles down. :confused: Will you and Gru be in the same corral at Boston? It would be cool if you could push each other to great results.By the way...If I ever wanted to race you heads up in a 5k, in order to make it fair you would have to run a full marathon prior to racing me. :o Congrats...I bet you're still flying high over this one.
Thanks for the kind words. I don't know how start corrals work at Boston. Gru?
Our qualifying times are pretty far apart. I highly doubt that we'll be in the same corral.
What's your qualifying time for this year?Give it heck this weekend.
 
'gruecd said:
Our qualifying times are pretty far apart. I highly doubt that we'll be in the same corral.
What's your qualifying time for this year?Give it heck this weekend.
I registered with a 2:59:48. And thanks. It's gonna be raining literally from midnight tonight until noon on Sunday. No ####### idea what to expect now.
 
'gruecd said:
Our qualifying times are pretty far apart. I highly doubt that we'll be in the same corral.
What's your qualifying time for this year?Give it heck this weekend.
I registered with a 2:59:48. And thanks. It's gonna be raining literally from midnight tonight until noon on Sunday. No ####### idea what to expect now.
I'd expect water and mud.
 
I'd expect water and mud.
Wow. Thanks! :rolleyes: Forgive me, I'm crabby. Train my ### off, and now I get to "run" for 5+ hours in a bunch of slop...
I was hoping that would cheer you up. On the plus side, most of the field will be in the slop longer than you.I'd actually see this as a placing benefit. A bigger guy should be better adapted for the cold/rain.If you don't have wool socks, go get some.
 
I'd expect water and mud.
Wow. Thanks! :rolleyes: Forgive me, I'm crabby. Train my ### off, and now I get to "run" for 5+ hours in a bunch of slop...
I've never done any trail running, but these sorts of races always strike me as being more about the "experience" than finishing times. Just try to think of the weather as part of the ultra experience. (Easier said than done, I know).
Yeah...Gru will stick out like a sore thumb. Most of the field will have long hair, fannel shorts, and a tobogan cap.
 
I'd expect water and mud.
Wow. Thanks! :rolleyes: Forgive me, I'm crabby. Train my ### off, and now I get to "run" for 5+ hours in a bunch of slop...
I've never done any trail running, but these sorts of races always strike me as being more about the "experience" than finishing times. Just try to think of the weather as part of the ultra experience. (Easier said than done, I know).
Yeah...Gru will stick out like a sore thumb. Most of the field will have long hair, fannel shorts, and a tobogan cap.
Haha. As one of my friends (who's doing the 50-miler) just told me, "Wet and muddy. It will be fun. Not fast, but fun."Just gotta remind myself that I'm running for place, not time...

 
Are you doing the Huntersville half? The Charlotte course is a tough one.
Haven't committed to it BnB. It's on my mind just not sure yet. 3 1/2 weeks between them, that enough time to recover and be ready to go again?Side note I've been meaning to ask but in regards to a hilly course, what's the best way to train for it? Simply run hills? And if so, is it ok to run hills every time out or should you stagger the workouts similar to speedwork i.e. only do a hill run once or twice a week? This week I've tried to run a hilly portion every time out pushing hard up the hills and taking it easy going down so as not to strain something.
 
Haven't committed to it BnB. It's on my mind just not sure yet. 3 1/2 weeks between them, that enough time to recover and be ready to go again?
Yes, that's certainly enough time to recover. You won't really be able to train to improve but that isn't always important.
Side note I've been meaning to ask but in regards to a hilly course, what's the best way to train for it? Simply run hills? And if so, is it ok to run hills every time out or should you stagger the workouts similar to speedwork i.e. only do a hill run once or twice a week? This week I've tried to run a hilly portion every time out pushing hard up the hills and taking it easy going down so as not to strain something.
I'll save these questions for Tri-man. He loves hills.
 
I'd expect water and mud.
Wow. Thanks! :rolleyes: Forgive me, I'm crabby. Train my ### off, and now I get to "run" for 5+ hours in a bunch of slop...
I've never done any trail running, but these sorts of races always strike me as being more about the "experience" than finishing times. Just try to think of the weather as part of the ultra experience. (Easier said than done, I know).
Yeah...Gru will stick out like a sore thumb. Most of the field will have long hair, fannel shorts, and a tobogan cap.
Haha. As one of my friends (who's doing the 50-miler) just told me, "Wet and muddy. It will be fun. Not fast, but fun."Just gotta remind myself that I'm running for place, not time...
Dude. I'll bet you'll be singing a totally different tune on Monday. Slop = fun. :lmao: at the visual of the field. So true.

 
Side note I've been meaning to ask but in regards to a hilly course, what's the best way to train for it? Simply run hills? And if so, is it ok to run hills every time out or should you stagger the workouts similar to speedwork i.e. only do a hill run once or twice a week? This week I've tried to run a hilly portion every time out pushing hard up the hills and taking it easy going down so as not to strain something.
I'd say that you could run hills on every run, which is good for the hill training ...but it's also good to run some flats so you can push the pace on some tempo runs or some intervals ...and to just recover and let the muscles heal and strengthen. I would also suggest practicing some strong downhills as well as uphills. It's the downhills that really pound the quads. So, for example, for every two or three uphills, push a downhill harder to prep the legs for that. Of course, I put a lot of value on the hill training regardless of the nature of any race course!
 
Side note I've been meaning to ask but in regards to a hilly course, what's the best way to train for it? Simply run hills? And if so, is it ok to run hills every time out or should you stagger the workouts similar to speedwork i.e. only do a hill run once or twice a week? This week I've tried to run a hilly portion every time out pushing hard up the hills and taking it easy going down so as not to strain something.
I'd say that you could run hills on every run, which is good for the hill training ...but it's also good to run some flats so you can push the pace on some tempo runs or some intervals ...and to just recover and let the muscles heal and strengthen. I would also suggest practicing some strong downhills as well as uphills. It's the downhills that really pound the quads. So, for example, for every two or three uphills, push a downhill harder to prep the legs for that. Of course, I put a lot of value on the hill training regardless of the nature of any race course!
Thanks, kind of what I planned but I was taking it easier this week knowing I have a 5k tomorrow and I will be pushing hard on the downhills. Next week really starts my training in earnest for this upcoming half. The downhills really do take a helluva toll on you so it makes sense to try to emulate that during training as well :thumbup:The hills I've been running are making me feel better about the 1/2. I've been holding my own on them but haven't really pushed it yet. Next week I have some plans to test my cardio that will tell me where I'm really at, might even start tomorrow.
 
I'd expect water and mud.
Wow. Thanks! :rolleyes: Forgive me, I'm crabby. Train my ### off, and now I get to "run" for 5+ hours in a bunch of slop...
I've never done any trail running, but these sorts of races always strike me as being more about the "experience" than finishing times. Just try to think of the weather as part of the ultra experience. (Easier said than done, I know).
:goodposting: My PF is feeling a little better with the aggressive treatment and last 2 days off, so I'm excited to spend 5:30-6:00(+?) hours on the trails tomorrow! No real goal in mind, just basing 5:30-6:00 on how people with similar ultrasignup.com rankings to mine have finished this course the past couple of years.

I also bought my first pair of Hokas today. I'm obviously not wearing them tomorrow, will have the Cascadias on, but I'm really looking forward to trying them out. More and more ultra-types are wearing these now, and my fat ### could use the extra cushioning on long runs. They definitely feel different, just walking around in them and the 1/4 mile on the treadmill at the running store.

 
I did 15 miles @ 9:55 pace this morning. Yesterday I did 5 miles @ 9:22 pace.

I now move into taper mode for the 1/2 next week. :pickle:

This has been my best training experience by far. I was able to meet all goals with only one exception and that had extenuating circumstances. I will be looking for a new PB next week although it is the half in December that I feel I have a better shot at it. This one next week has A Mountain involved and I do have concerns that will throw a monkey wrench into my plans. I will be going for it though knowing I have Decembers race in my back pocket. i see no excuse for an improvement in December. :boxing:

Good luck to all the racers. I am particularly interested in Grue's experience. I agree the field will be a different type of runner then grue is used to. Make sure to have fun. From what I have heard from people who run these it is much more the experience then the time. Having said that I hope you come back with a story about not getting chicked by a dirty hippy at the end. :excited: :banned:

 
I'd expect water and mud.
Wow. Thanks! :rolleyes: Forgive me, I'm crabby. Train my ### off, and now I get to "run" for 5+ hours in a bunch of slop...
I've never done any trail running, but these sorts of races always strike me as being more about the "experience" than finishing times. Just try to think of the weather as part of the ultra experience. (Easier said than done, I know).
Yeah...Gru will stick out like a sore thumb. Most of the field will have long hair, fannel shorts, and a tobogan cap.
Haha. As one of my friends (who's doing the 50-miler) just told me, "Wet and muddy. It will be fun. Not fast, but fun."Just gotta remind myself that I'm running for place, not time...
:goodposting: KILL IT! The rest of youse too

 
course measured 5.13 today. knocked it out in 48:11 (extra .13 comes in after i blew past a confusing 2mi/5mi turnoff :bag: )

course was (for me) very hilly. one after the other. mixed in about a mile total of sand and dirt trail. didn't rain til the last 10 or so minutes. felt pretty strong finishing though some 50ish year old woman who i was jockeying with for the last 2 miles or so had a stronger kick :bag: and beat me by a few seconds.

 
course measured 5.13 today. knocked it out in 48:11 (extra .13 comes in after i blew past a confusing 2mi/5mi turnoff :bag: )

course was (for me) very hilly. one after the other. mixed in about a mile total of sand and dirt trail. didn't rain til the last 10 or so minutes. felt pretty strong finishing though some 50ish year old woman who i was jockeying with for the last 2 miles or so had a stronger kick :bag: and beat me by a few seconds.
Nice job Furley :thumbup: Run for Attention 5k

I had an up & down day. I was really hoping to do well and ended up giving a few back finishing at 26:07. I was hoping to break 26 this time around but I think the course and my being stupid just lead to a disappointing performance. I had a picture of the course in my mind all week and found out at the beginning that I was totally wrong, not sure what the heck I was thinking. Went out too fast and paid for it at the end when I knew I was going to need something because of the finishing hill.

Mile 1 - 7:34

Mile 2 - 8:12

Mile 3 - 8:54

After I thought about it more I really think I left time on the course last week comparing the two, last week, this week. Guy who won it ran a 3:58 mile last year. Ran 15:00 today, next closest runner was 19something.

I celebrated by doing 8 miles of hills after the race, ran at a 10:05 pace so was happy about that but I'm dog assed tired right now and the Buckeyes just kicked off.

 
Been awhile since I've updated. Kind of embarrassing after reading these race reports. Not sure where I left off...in the middle of a 30 week plan.

wk 1 - 5 miles to the good

wk 2 - 2.5 miles to the good but played soccer the last day which messed things up

wk 3

Monday was supposed to be 6 mi with 2 in z2 and 2 in z3. Ended up doing 6 easy as I recall

Tuesday 2 x 1 mile intervals, 8:00 min average (still feeling the soccer soreness)

Wed had 2.5 planned on the stair mill, only mustered 1.5 before quitting

Thur was a fit test...blew that off

Fri was a plaaned 12 miler, went and shot 8 doves instead with my son

Sat was a srd, ran 12 mi @ 9:28, 150 hr

Sun was a srd and took it.

planned 27 miles, ended up doing 23.5

wk4

Mon 8 mi w/ 3 z2 and 3 z3 - 8 mi @ 8:58, 148 hr

Tue 6 x 1/4 mi average 6:23 pace for these

Wed 2.5 stairmaster planned - negetive

Thur 6 mi plaaned - negetive

Fri off - nailed it

Sat 14 mile trail - cut and split a 1/2 cord of wood

Sun off - nailed it again

planned 34 miles, ended up doing 11.5 Just a bad week. Major home repair issues and travelling chewed up most of the end of the week. Once that settled down it basically rained non-stop for 3 days with temps in the 30s/40s.

wk5 - this week

Mon 8 miler skipped

Tue speed - travelling

Wed was a make up day. Instead of 3 mi on the stair mill I ran 13.1 @ 9:59, 140 hr

Thru planned 8 miler turned into a 6.5 mi recovery @ 10:49, 131 hr

Fri was more make up. Instead of the srd I ran 10.5 on the trail. 13:00 pace, 137 hr. Very discouraging. Suffered early and often and was forced to walk a good bit. Still feeling the effects of the time off.

Sat was supposed to be a 10 miler. Still very sore so I took today off and will try to up tomorrow's planned 8 mi.

I'm 3 weeks out from a potential race that I might just can unless I turn the corner shortly. Feeling older than Tri-man and fatter than Sand.

 
Trail marathons are hard.

But I've got my first run of that length in the books since 2009! With over 4820' of climbing and 5100' of descent, I have a feeling I'm going to be sore tomorrow.

But all in all, it went pretty well. I went in with a loose goal of 5:30-6:00, but really just wanting to finish uninjured. I started at the back of the 150 participants, and we instantly started climbing. I power hiked this pretty well, and passed 20-30 people. In fact throughout the day I consistently passed people on the uphills - meaning for a back-of-the-packer I can hike a little. I even had a hottie (sorry no pics....yet) trying to catch me while she was running uphill say, "you have a great walk!" of course I slowed down for a minute or two to chat her up, and then we hit another climb and off I went. Of course with all of the climbing my plan to keep my HR at 141 or below did go out the window a lot quicker than I hoped, so I did start throwing down 1-2 GUs per hour starting at about the 80 minute mark, and my energy stayed solid all day. By mile 15 or so the downhills were starting to take their toll, and my feet, knees, and especially my quads were feeling it, but I was still running the flats and downhills pretty consistently, and really didn't get passed by many (any?) people at all through that stretch. Things were going well.

But at mile 23+ I felt like my little toe exploded, and couldn't take another step. I sat down and took off my shoe to see a bloody mess - popped blister. I've never had blister issues, so didn't have any moleskin/bandaids/duct tape, but I did have a little tube of body glide so I just rubbed that all over it, put the sock and shoe back on, and tried to keep moving. But it hurt so bad that after a 1/4 mile or so everything else started to hurt from overcompensating, and I started to get a little worried about being able to finish. But another 1/2 mile or so and the pain subsided (I think all the stuff just got squeezed out taking the pressure out, and the lube probably helped) and I was able to start running again.

At that point I thought I had blown my chance to beat 6:00:00, but knew if I picked it up a little I might be able to make it. Especially if my Garmin ended up registering short of 26.2, which it did - I ran the tangents all day like a mother! Shuffled along as quickly as I could and crossed in an unofficial 5:57:10.

Afterward I had a blast - bbq burgers, beer, and a who's who of Northern Cali ultrarunners (Western States jackets were everywhere) were hanging out, many of whom I had the chance to meet.

Pretty excited to feel like I escaped relatively unscathed, had a great day on the trails - and it's another step in my training for my 50 miler in April.

And now, I'll join the rest of you in waiting excitedly for Gru's update tomorrow! :popcorn:

 

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