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Ran a 10k in June (9 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...that is flying...pic of his Garmin shows 1:35:06How'd he do?Fantastic run today, Ned!!!
Saw that too, FLYING!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Still a great race tri.
Today was fun "running" with my son.
He jogged a bit to start...but in the first half mile you go up one side of a bridge and despite me telling him to slow down...it sapped a lot of his energy.
Did ok down the bridge...but its followed by another hill in downtown Nashville.
Between that...and the first "color" stop in this one with the colored powder everywhere (and in between buildings it was a huge cloud of colored powder)...he was about done and having an issue with his breathing. Not bad once we were out of the powder that first time and had his eyes wiped off and a drink of water.
The other color stations were not as bad in more open air...and we ended up doing some walking, some running and just enjoying it.
Had a great time with the people we were with after too (same people I raised money for/with for the Country Music Half).
Today was fun "running" with my son.
He jogged a bit to start...but in the first half mile you go up one side of a bridge and despite me telling him to slow down...it sapped a lot of his energy.
Did ok down the bridge...but its followed by another hill in downtown Nashville.
Between that...and the first "color" stop in this one with the colored powder everywhere (and in between buildings it was a huge cloud of colored powder)...he was about done and having an issue with his breathing. Not bad once we were out of the powder that first time and had his eyes wiped off and a drink of water.
The other color stations were not as bad in more open air...and we ended up doing some walking, some running and just enjoying it.
Had a great time with the people we were with after too (same people I raised money for/with for the Country Music Half).
Ned
Footballguy
Back from a long weekend in AC, so trying to catch up. Sorry if I missed ya...
Hang10 - Glad to see you back! Man, I forgot how fast you were!
SC - There ya are... Was wondering what happened in Denver. 21:29 at altitude is fast.
Guru - Sorry to hear about the race.
Ivan is right though. You should be able to find another HM to do and you won't miss a beat.
Beer -
Look at you taking a 46mi week in stride like it's no big deal. Don't downplay it. Celebrate! 
Mac - Please post the findings of this study. The HR stuff has me interested.
Ivan - As much as I love being a smartass, I go A there. They hold all the cards.
shonuff - Good job getting back into it. Comments to beer aply to you to. 47 is nothing to sneeze at.
2Y2BB - I saw the FB post about your son's PR. HUGE! And he's only a frosh, right? What kind of training do they do? I've learned through all this stuff that we were severely undertrained in HS XC. Hope he's got a better program than we did.
grue -
thinking your paces are just for fun. on finishing top 10% when you're just out for fun.
prosopis - Congrats on the PR! You had sub 2:00 in ya today if you take back the 2 minutes that you gave to the mountain. You've got 1:58 or better in ya on a flatter course.
tri - Crankin' out low 20's on an off day is a win in my book. Congrats for having the guts to go for it!
Hang10 - Glad to see you back! Man, I forgot how fast you were!
SC - There ya are... Was wondering what happened in Denver. 21:29 at altitude is fast.
Guru - Sorry to hear about the race.
Ivan is right though. You should be able to find another HM to do and you won't miss a beat.Beer -
Look at you taking a 46mi week in stride like it's no big deal. Don't downplay it. Celebrate! Mac - Please post the findings of this study. The HR stuff has me interested.
Ivan - As much as I love being a smartass, I go A there. They hold all the cards.
shonuff - Good job getting back into it. Comments to beer aply to you to. 47 is nothing to sneeze at.
2Y2BB - I saw the FB post about your son's PR. HUGE! And he's only a frosh, right?
What kind of training do they do? I've learned through all this stuff that we were severely undertrained in HS XC. Hope he's got a better program than we did.grue -
thinking your paces are just for fun. on finishing top 10% when you're just out for fun.prosopis - Congrats on the PR! You had sub 2:00 in ya today if you take back the 2 minutes that you gave to the mountain. You've got 1:58 or better in ya on a flatter course.
tri - Crankin' out low 20's on an off day is a win in my book. Congrats for having the guts to go for it!
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
First off, Congrats on an awesome 1/2 time!!!! He is a freshman and they do structure the weekly training nicely. And, the older boys do a nice job mentoring the younger ones. What they don't really do is teach the mental side. I shot a note to his coach asking if I could do some pre-race planning with my son and give him in race splits. She was absolutely in support of this. For the last 4 races, we have been studying course maps and plotting splits to get PRs, with the goal being to go sub 20 by the end of the season. Yesterday, we had splits down to the 1/2 miles and I teamed up with one of the assistant coaches to give him the in race input (as he is too damn fast for me to chase him all over. Like Tri-Man today, he too Sanded the first mile yesterday in 5:59. He throttled back just a bit for a 6:25 second mile and brought in on home for a 19:24. He has one more race this season on the same course as yesterday and he wants to go sub 19. I think he has a chance. They have a promising team of Freshman. One only ran 3 races this year due to injuries, but all we in the mid 18s, three others including my son have gone sub 20 and one just missed yesterday by 6 seconds. Should be a FUN three more years of racing.Nice race by Pro and Tri-Man too!!!!!2Y2BB - I saw the FB post about your son's PR. HUGE! And he's only a frosh, right?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Oh, I know it...I was joking.Said to myself I was easing myself back in (and I guess I did by not doing much more than GA or recovery runs this week)...then I added it up and realized it was still going to be that high.
That said...I would not call it 47 after today.
We walked quite a bit and even the running was pretty slow with my son this time.
I think I tired him out playing soccer yesterday.
Ned
Footballguy
2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
This was tune-up race #2 for the Philly full and it did not disappoint. My wife and I decided to make this a mommy/daddy weekend and stayed in AC from Fri - Sun while the kids had a sleepover at their cousin's house. I behaved with the alcohol while gambling and felt rested. Slept great and had zero excuses with the plan of going <1:37. I'm usually all amped up about a race for a few days prior, but this one I was pretty chilled out. Was it the confidence from the 15K?
I know McMillan says my recent 1:06:32 15K translated to a 1:35:44 HM, but I take that with a grain of salt. I've always felt his calculator was too aggressive, so I stuck with what I know about myself and shot for 1:37. 
AM routine was just how I like it - uneventful. The start/finish was on the boardwalk and right outside the door to the casino we stayed at (Bally's). What a treat it was to step out of the door and onto the race course. I ran a 2mi warmup and didn't like what I felt - sluggish. Legs had no pep. I didn't want to put any stock into a warmup run, but that was unexpected.
The plan was to chop this up into the 3 5-5-5 segments. First 5miles was to get settled in around 7:24 pace and hopefully be around 175 HR. I wanted to keep the first 5 safely below LT with the hopes of toeing that line again for the final 10.1. <HR nerd-speak>. General consensus is you typically can run 60 minutes at LT. That fit perfectly into the 5-5-5 since the last 10.1 would be roughly an hour. </HR nerd-speak> The second 5miles I wanted to just let the flow of the race take me with no real plan other than being around LT (178). The final 5K I was going to dump all I had into it and let the chips fall.
First 5mi (7:21/172, 7:24/174, 7:20/175, 7:12/176, 7:13/176)
I quickly noticed the 3:15 pace group start about 10 seconds ahead of me and wanted to use them as a sanity check in case my pacing felt off. We funneled through the start which was down the boardwalk and off to a side street that took us back into the heart of AC. We hit a series of on-ramps and bridges that took us out to the marina. Pretty cool scenery, but hillier than I anticipated. Nothing to really write home about, but it was enough to briefly knock you off your pace. I was still feeling sluggish and questioning if I had much more than this in me. I came into the 5mi clock (boy they had a lot of split clocks out there!) and saw 36
x. According to my watch, I was 36:30 (7:18avg). I hadn't realized at the time that miles 4 and 5 were as fast as they were.
Second 5mi (7:11/176, 7:13/177, 7:20/177, 7:23/178, 7:14/179)
There was a decent swirling wind that was giving us fits from time to time, but nothing serious until mile 8 where we were headed straight into it. Ugh, that sucked. Here I was right on the heals of the 3:15 pace group, which was a good 10 runners deep. I settled in behind them and drafted as best as I could. We were back on the boardwalk around mile 9 where we'd finish the remainder of the race. We had to pass the start/finish area around mile 9.5, which stung. I was hurting here, but held steady. It seemed like I had to work a lot harder here than I did at the 15K. No real rhyme or reason why, it just seemed that way. Total time for second 5 was 36:21/7:16. Damn consistent!
Final 5K (7:09/179, 7:06/182, 7:00/183, 6:05/191)
Alright, no more pacing. Let's do this. I love using key words/phrases when I run and today was "fight for it". Don't be scared to go for broke. I settled in behind a guy with the little red/blue (?) Ironman tattoo on his calf and thought - oh sweet, here's a beast. I hooked on to his hip at the early stages of mile 10 and felt good. I decided to make a move around 10.5 to see where he'd go. He didn't follow, which was a huge ego boost.
I saw a pair of guys running single file up ahead and tried catching them. The taller of the 2 pulled away slightly, leaving me and the other guy. We hit the turn around at mile 11 and it was on. I haven't raced like this since I was in HS. A dude who was ripped beyond belief came up and joined us. I decided to make another move around 11.2 to see who wanted to cover me. Ripped guy covered me. And then some. He gapped me so quick I was shocked. Dude had way too much in the tank to be running back here with us. In the process I dropped the younger guy and was catching the taller one who had left us before. Long story short, we fought and fought.... and fought. At 12.9 I decided to make one final move and left them both. Only to have the younger one cover my move and dropped the hammer, leaving me and the taller guy in the dust. Tall guy and I both then passed each other 3-4 more times before I finally was able to pull away with about 100yds to go. INSANE.
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
This was tune-up race #2 for the Philly full and it did not disappoint. My wife and I decided to make this a mommy/daddy weekend and stayed in AC from Fri - Sun while the kids had a sleepover at their cousin's house. I behaved with the alcohol while gambling and felt rested. Slept great and had zero excuses with the plan of going <1:37. I'm usually all amped up about a race for a few days prior, but this one I was pretty chilled out. Was it the confidence from the 15K?
I know McMillan says my recent 1:06:32 15K translated to a 1:35:44 HM, but I take that with a grain of salt. I've always felt his calculator was too aggressive, so I stuck with what I know about myself and shot for 1:37. AM routine was just how I like it - uneventful. The start/finish was on the boardwalk and right outside the door to the casino we stayed at (Bally's). What a treat it was to step out of the door and onto the race course. I ran a 2mi warmup and didn't like what I felt - sluggish. Legs had no pep. I didn't want to put any stock into a warmup run, but that was unexpected.
The plan was to chop this up into the 3 5-5-5 segments. First 5miles was to get settled in around 7:24 pace and hopefully be around 175 HR. I wanted to keep the first 5 safely below LT with the hopes of toeing that line again for the final 10.1. <HR nerd-speak>. General consensus is you typically can run 60 minutes at LT. That fit perfectly into the 5-5-5 since the last 10.1 would be roughly an hour. </HR nerd-speak> The second 5miles I wanted to just let the flow of the race take me with no real plan other than being around LT (178). The final 5K I was going to dump all I had into it and let the chips fall.
First 5mi (7:21/172, 7:24/174, 7:20/175, 7:12/176, 7:13/176)
I quickly noticed the 3:15 pace group start about 10 seconds ahead of me and wanted to use them as a sanity check in case my pacing felt off. We funneled through the start which was down the boardwalk and off to a side street that took us back into the heart of AC. We hit a series of on-ramps and bridges that took us out to the marina. Pretty cool scenery, but hillier than I anticipated. Nothing to really write home about, but it was enough to briefly knock you off your pace. I was still feeling sluggish and questioning if I had much more than this in me. I came into the 5mi clock (boy they had a lot of split clocks out there!) and saw 36
x. According to my watch, I was 36:30 (7:18avg). I hadn't realized at the time that miles 4 and 5 were as fast as they were.Second 5mi (7:11/176, 7:13/177, 7:20/177, 7:23/178, 7:14/179)
There was a decent swirling wind that was giving us fits from time to time, but nothing serious until mile 8 where we were headed straight into it. Ugh, that sucked. Here I was right on the heals of the 3:15 pace group, which was a good 10 runners deep. I settled in behind them and drafted as best as I could. We were back on the boardwalk around mile 9 where we'd finish the remainder of the race. We had to pass the start/finish area around mile 9.5, which stung. I was hurting here, but held steady. It seemed like I had to work a lot harder here than I did at the 15K. No real rhyme or reason why, it just seemed that way. Total time for second 5 was 36:21/7:16. Damn consistent!
Final 5K (7:09/179, 7:06/182, 7:00/183, 6:05/191)
Alright, no more pacing. Let's do this. I love using key words/phrases when I run and today was "fight for it". Don't be scared to go for broke. I settled in behind a guy with the little red/blue (?) Ironman tattoo on his calf and thought - oh sweet, here's a beast. I hooked on to his hip at the early stages of mile 10 and felt good. I decided to make a move around 10.5 to see where he'd go. He didn't follow, which was a huge ego boost.
I saw a pair of guys running single file up ahead and tried catching them. The taller of the 2 pulled away slightly, leaving me and the other guy. We hit the turn around at mile 11 and it was on. I haven't raced like this since I was in HS. A dude who was ripped beyond belief came up and joined us. I decided to make another move around 11.2 to see who wanted to cover me. Ripped guy covered me. And then some. He gapped me so quick I was shocked. Dude had way too much in the tank to be running back here with us. In the process I dropped the younger guy and was catching the taller one who had left us before. Long story short, we fought and fought.... and fought. At 12.9 I decided to make one final move and left them both. Only to have the younger one cover my move and dropped the hammer, leaving me and the taller guy in the dust. Tall guy and I both then passed each other 3-4 more times before I finally was able to pull away with about 100yds to go. INSANE.
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
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Ned
Footballguy
Dude, you're living the dream! I can only pray that 1 of my 2 boys takes up running like that. Enjoy it! I'm sure you're one proud poppa right now.First off, Congrats on an awesome 1/2 time!!!! He is a freshman and they do structure the weekly training nicely. And, the older boys do a nice job mentoring the younger ones. What they don't really do is teach the mental side. I shot a note to his coach asking if I could do some pre-race planning with my son and give him in race splits. She was absolutely in support of this. For the last 4 races, we have been studying course maps and plotting splits to get PRs, with the goal being to go sub 20 by the end of the season. Yesterday, we had splits down to the 1/2 miles and I teamed up with one of the assistant coaches to give him the in race input (as he is too damn fast for me to chase him all over. Like Tri-Man today, he too Sanded the first mile yesterday in 5:59. He throttled back just a bit for a 6:25 second mile and brought in on home for a 19:24. He has one more race this season on the same course as yesterday and he wants to go sub 19. I think he has a chance. They have a promising team of Freshman. One only ran 3 races this year due to injuries, but all we in the mid 18s, three others including my son have gone sub 20 and one just missed yesterday by 6 seconds. Should be a FUN three more years of racing.Nice race by Pro and Tri-Man too!!!!!2Y2BB - I saw the FB post about your son's PR. HUGE! And he's only a frosh, right?
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Plan your race and race your plan! ..and race it you did. Very cool.2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
That is awesome. Congrats on killing the old PR!!!!!What is your age group? Did you hang out and talk to the guys you were racing with at the end?
Ned
Footballguy
30-39. Loaded with studs. OA winner was in our group with a 1:04:20. I actually got to see him and a few others he was warming up with and noticed how slow they were running. Maybe a 9:00ish type of pace. Pretty cool to see someone that fast running that slow.'prosopis said:'Ned said:2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
I did see 2 of the guys after the finish chute. Just passed some high fives and 'great finish'es. You could tell they were equally as spent. So much friggin' fun duking it out like that after 13.1 miles.Weird.... The site now has me at 1:35:05 instead of :07.
beer 302
Footballguy
They gave you 2/10's for being such a nerd30-39. Loaded with studs. OA winner was in our group with a 1:04:20. I actually got to see him and a few others he was warming up with and noticed how slow they were running. Maybe a 9:00ish type of pace. Pretty cool to see someone that fast running that slow.'prosopis said:'Ned said:2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
Weird.... The site now has me at 1:35:05 instead of :07.
What an awesome race, love reading you're detailed examinations of how you run, almost like being there watching it. Great job Ned, like prosopis, you put in good hard, smart training and you are reaping the rewards 
Hang 10
Footballguy
Awesome work. Very impressive.'Ned said:2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
This was tune-up race #2 for the Philly full and it did not disappoint. My wife and I decided to make this a mommy/daddy weekend and stayed in AC from Fri - Sun while the kids had a sleepover at their cousin's house. I behaved with the alcohol while gambling and felt rested. Slept great and had zero excuses with the plan of going <1:37. I'm usually all amped up about a race for a few days prior, but this one I was pretty chilled out. Was it the confidence from the 15K?
AM routine was just how I like it - uneventful. The start/finish was on the boardwalk and right outside the door to the casino we stayed at (Bally's). What a treat it was to step out of the door and onto the race course. I ran a 2mi warmup and didn't like what I felt - sluggish. Legs had no pep. I didn't want to put any stock into a warmup run, but that was unexpected.
The plan was to chop this up into the 3 5-5-5 segments. First 5miles was to get settled in around 7:24 pace and hopefully be around 175 HR. I wanted to keep the first 5 safely below LT with the hopes of toeing that line again for the final 10.1. <HR nerd-speak>. General consensus is you typically can run 60 minutes at LT. That fit perfectly into the 5-5-5 since the last 10.1 would be roughly an hour. </HR nerd-speak> The second 5miles I wanted to just let the flow of the race take me with no real plan other than being around LT (178). The final 5K I was going to dump all I had into it and let the chips fall.
First 5mi (7:21/172, 7:24/174, 7:20/175, 7:12/176, 7:13/176)
I quickly noticed the 3:15 pace group start about 10 seconds ahead of me and wanted to use them as a sanity check in case my pacing felt off. We funneled through the start which was down the boardwalk and off to a side street that took us back into the heart of AC. We hit a series of on-ramps and bridges that took us out to the marina. Pretty cool scenery, but hillier than I anticipated. Nothing to really write home about, but it was enough to briefly knock you off your pace. I was still feeling sluggish and questioning if I had much more than this in me. I came into the 5mi clock (boy they had a lot of split clocks out there!) and saw 36
Second 5mi (7:11/176, 7:13/177, 7:20/177, 7:23/178, 7:14/179)
There was a decent swirling wind that was giving us fits from time to time, but nothing serious until mile 8 where we were headed straight into it. Ugh, that sucked. Here I was right on the heals of the 3:15 pace group, which was a good 10 runners deep. I settled in behind them and drafted as best as I could. We were back on the boardwalk around mile 9 where we'd finish the remainder of the race. We had to pass the start/finish area around mile 9.5, which stung. I was hurting here, but held steady. It seemed like I had to work a lot harder here than I did at the 15K. No real rhyme or reason why, it just seemed that way. Total time for second 5 was 36:21/7:16. Damn consistent!
Final 5K (7:09/179, 7:06/182, 7:00/183, 6:05/191)
Alright, no more pacing. Let's do this. I love using key words/phrases when I run and today was "fight for it". Don't be scared to go for broke. I settled in behind a guy with the little red/blue (?) Ironman tattoo on his calf and thought - oh sweet, here's a beast. I hooked on to his hip at the early stages of mile 10 and felt good. I decided to make a move around 10.5 to see where he'd go. He didn't follow, which was a huge ego boost.
I saw a pair of guys running single file up ahead and tried catching them. The taller of the 2 pulled away slightly, leaving me and the other guy. We hit the turn around at mile 11 and it was on. I haven't raced like this since I was in HS. A dude who was ripped beyond belief came up and joined us. I decided to make another move around 11.2 to see who wanted to cover me. Ripped guy covered me. And then some. He gapped me so quick I was shocked. Dude had way too much in the tank to be running back here with us. In the process I dropped the younger guy and was catching the taller one who had left us before. Long story short, we fought and fought.... and fought. At 12.9 I decided to make one final move and left them both. Only to have the younger one cover my move and dropped the hammer, leaving me and the taller guy in the dust. Tall guy and I both then passed each other 3-4 more times before I finally was able to pull away with about 100yds to go. INSANE.
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
You would not believe the emotions I've had to choke back every race this season. They have these Barrier Breakers they set for each of the boys based on their best finish times. Barrier break and you get a T-Shirt. The first race I gave him a "plan" I was at the 800M to go mark and did the math and he was about 15 seconds ahead of plan. I vapor locked and could not give him a split. Instead, I just let him know he was close and to get after it. He blistered the down hill to the finish, kicked even harder and did this awesome and uncontrolled fist pump at the end when he picked up the clock and new he'd Barrier Broke. I was a wreck. It funny, my sport was baseball growing up and in High School and he is a lefty. I had BIG dreams of what he might become as a baseball player. He has had some great moments as a baseball player, but he has fallen in love with running (track and X-Country). He's texted about his love for running. I thought I be a little disappointed he'd veer from baseball in High School, but I could care less. He is happy so I am happy, I just hope he can slow down from time and time to run with me. Geez, I just rambled, all this to say what you said, I am dang lucky.'Ned said:Dude, you're living the dream! I can only pray that 1 of my 2 boys takes up running like that. Enjoy it! I'm sure you're one proud poppa right now.'2Young2BBald said:First off, Congrats on an awesome 1/2 time!!!! He is a freshman and they do structure the weekly training nicely. And, the older boys do a nice job mentoring the younger ones. What they don't really do is teach the mental side. I shot a note to his coach asking if I could do some pre-race planning with my son and give him in race splits. She was absolutely in support of this. For the last 4 races, we have been studying course maps and plotting splits to get PRs, with the goal being to go sub 20 by the end of the season. Yesterday, we had splits down to the 1/2 miles and I teamed up with one of the assistant coaches to give him the in race input (as he is too damn fast for me to chase him all over. Like Tri-Man today, he too Sanded the first mile yesterday in 5:59. He throttled back just a bit for a 6:25 second mile and brought in on home for a 19:24. He has one more race this season on the same course as yesterday and he wants to go sub 19. I think he has a chance. They have a promising team of Freshman. One only ran 3 races this year due to injuries, but all we in the mid 18s, three others including my son have gone sub 20 and one just missed yesterday by 6 seconds. Should be a FUN three more years of racing.Nice race by Pro and Tri-Man too!!!!!'Ned said:2Y2BB - I saw the FB post about your son's PR. HUGE! And he's only a frosh, right?
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
You have me tearing up reading this.####### kidsYou would not believe the emotions I've had to choke back every race this season. They have these Barrier Breakers they set for each of the boys based on their best finish times. Barrier break and you get a T-Shirt. The first race I gave him a "plan" I was at the 800M to go mark and did the math and he was about 15 seconds ahead of plan. I vapor locked and could not give him a split. Instead, I just let him know he was close and to get after it. He blistered the down hill to the finish, kicked even harder and did this awesome and uncontrolled fist pump at the end when he picked up the clock and new he'd Barrier Broke. I was a wreck. It funny, my sport was baseball growing up and in High School and he is a lefty. I had BIG dreams of what he might become as a baseball player. He has had some great moments as a baseball player, but he has fallen in love with running (track and X-Country). He's texted about his love for running. I thought I be a little disappointed he'd veer from baseball in High School, but I could care less. He is happy so I am happy, I just hope he can slow down from time and time to run with me. Geez, I just rambled, all this to say what you said, I am dang lucky.'Ned said:Dude, you're living the dream! I can only pray that 1 of my 2 boys takes up running like that. Enjoy it! I'm sure you're one proud poppa right now.'2Young2BBald said:First off, Congrats on an awesome 1/2 time!!!! He is a freshman and they do structure the weekly training nicely. And, the older boys do a nice job mentoring the younger ones. What they don't really do is teach the mental side. I shot a note to his coach asking if I could do some pre-race planning with my son and give him in race splits. She was absolutely in support of this. For the last 4 races, we have been studying course maps and plotting splits to get PRs, with the goal being to go sub 20 by the end of the season. Yesterday, we had splits down to the 1/2 miles and I teamed up with one of the assistant coaches to give him the in race input (as he is too damn fast for me to chase him all over. Like Tri-Man today, he too Sanded the first mile yesterday in 5:59. He throttled back just a bit for a 6:25 second mile and brought in on home for a 19:24. He has one more race this season on the same course as yesterday and he wants to go sub 19. I think he has a chance. They have a promising team of Freshman. One only ran 3 races this year due to injuries, but all we in the mid 18s, three others including my son have gone sub 20 and one just missed yesterday by 6 seconds. Should be a FUN three more years of racing.Nice race by Pro and Tri-Man too!!!!!'Ned said:2Y2BB - I saw the FB post about your son's PR. HUGE! And he's only a frosh, right?
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
30-39. Loaded with studs. OA winner was in our group with a 1:04:20. I actually got to see him and a few others he was warming up with and noticed how slow they were running. Maybe a 9:00ish type of pace. Pretty cool to see someone that fast running that slow.'prosopis said:'Ned said:2012 Atlantic City Half Marathon
My whole body was screaming at the finish. Hell I was wheezing like a 25yr smoker at the finish. I left every single ounce out there. Very proud of this finish, even though I got out kicked by 2 of the 3 guys. I realized later that I'm up here racing with a different breed of runners. These guys have speed. I'm not going to be able to outkick everyone I catch like I have in the past.
Official time was 1:35:07 which was good for 39/1,468 OA and 11/156 AG. Finally got that monkey off my back and shed 13+ minutes from my stale PR. The HM has kicked my ### the last few attempts.
I don't really know what to say about this, other than I'm in complete shock and totally friggin' stoked. What an amazing ride this training cycle has been.
Weird.... The site now has me at 1:35:05 instead of :07.
very cool
It was me. Way too easy to do.'Sarnoff said:Colin Dowling fat-fingering the iPhone again?Just noticed, this got pinned
DanFouts
Footballguy
Did the 10K on Sunday in Charlottesville...thanks for all the pointers.Fished in 55:36 which kept me at like a 8:58 pace, so I at least beat my goal.Finished 42 overall and 1st in males 40-45! (They had changes the race from Sat am to Sun am, so I think a lot of people dropped out!)Gorgeous day, but super HILLY run!
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Great job, Ned. It's amazing how you got so fast practically overnight.
The Flying Turtle
Footballguy
Great races this weekend guys. Ned, that time is very impressive.
My first marathon is this Saturday. Hoping to break 4:20 (wow, that really sounds like a long time to be running).
My first marathon is this Saturday. Hoping to break 4:20 (wow, that really sounds like a long time to be running).
Ned
Footballguy
Appreciate the comments, guys. I'm still on cloud 9.
I haven't really been able to wrap my brain around it either, but I think its just a matter of my endurance finally turning the corner. I've never doubted my speed, its always been a lack of endurance for me. I've thought about it a lot lately and I think where I really turned the corner was this past spring while training for the trail triple crown. Running all of those long trail runs really taught me how to slow things down as well as finally listening to BnB and adhering to low zone 1 HR training. Logging nearly 1,900 miles so far this year certainly helped, too.I have a lot of pondering to do for Philly. 3:30 is very real now, and I am wondering how real McMillan's 3:20:06 prediction is (based on yesterday's HM). Like I said in my RR, I think he's too aggressive with the calculator, but it's suddenly right in line with yesterday's HM.
Ned
Footballguy
Fouts - congrats on the 10K! Now you have a good baseline to base the rest of your training against. I'd strongly urge you to slow the majority of your running down. Being that you're just starting out (right?) I'd say at a minimum I'd run your runs around a 10:00 pace. The #1 goal is to build aerobic fitness, which will only happen with good slow running (think conversational pace).
Turtle - GL this weekend. Remind us which race you're doing again?
Turtle - GL this weekend. Remind us which race you're doing again?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It's funny. Our personal skepticisms about the McMillan calculator are reversed. I've plugged in my 1/2 and full marathon PRs and thought, "Wow! I could never run a 5K that fast!" But, naturally, the key to achieve those times is to specifically train for that event. And you're doing that for the marathon. You certainly should finish below 3:30, perhaps even significantly below.Appreciate the comments, guys. I'm still on cloud 9.
I haven't really been able to wrap my brain around it either, but I think its just a matter of my endurance finally turning the corner. I've never doubted my speed, its always been a lack of endurance for me. I've thought about it a lot lately and I think where I really turned the corner was this past spring while training for the trail triple crown. Running all of those long trail runs really taught me how to slow things down as well as finally listening to BnB and adhering to low zone 1 HR training. Logging nearly 1,900 miles so far this year certainly helped, too.I have a lot of pondering to do for Philly. 3:30 is very real now, and I am wondering how real McMillan's 3:20:06 prediction is (based on yesterday's HM). Like I said in my RR, I think he's too aggressive with the calculator, but it's suddenly right in line with yesterday's HM.
Ned
Footballguy
That is pretty funny, but I think it makes sense. You've always come off, to me at least, as someone with a natural talent for endurance (and a lot of it!). Whereas I'm on the opposite end of that. It would make sense that we are seeing two different stories from that calculator. The speed events seem off to you, whereas the endurance events seem off to me.It's funny. Our personal skepticisms about the McMillan calculator are reversed. I've plugged in my 1/2 and full marathon PRs and thought, "Wow! I could never run a 5K that fast!" But, naturally, the key to achieve those times is to specifically train for that event. And you're doing that for the marathon. You certainly should finish below 3:30, perhaps even significantly below.Appreciate the comments, guys. I'm still on cloud 9.
I haven't really been able to wrap my brain around it either, but I think its just a matter of my endurance finally turning the corner. I've never doubted my speed, its always been a lack of endurance for me. I've thought about it a lot lately and I think where I really turned the corner was this past spring while training for the trail triple crown. Running all of those long trail runs really taught me how to slow things down as well as finally listening to BnB and adhering to low zone 1 HR training. Logging nearly 1,900 miles so far this year certainly helped, too.I have a lot of pondering to do for Philly. 3:30 is very real now, and I am wondering how real McMillan's 3:20:06 prediction is (based on yesterday's HM). Like I said in my RR, I think he's too aggressive with the calculator, but it's suddenly right in line with yesterday's HM.
If I even sniff <3:30, I'll probably faint at the finish chute in utter shock. I figured something like that would be a life long dream that took years to get to.
DanFouts
Footballguy
Interesting...I hadn't thought of that...I was pretty much aiming for the opposite...speeding up! So if I am aiming for 10 miler in April, you think it would be better to keep pace slow and just add distance?
The Flying Turtle
Footballguy
Ned - I am running the Spinx Run Fest in Greenville, SC. It is relatively small (633 for the marathon, 1600 for the half), and very flat this year.You don't remember because I have not posted here in a LONG TIME. I am very bad about updates.
Ned
Footballguy
150% yes. I think it's even more important as a beginner to focus on building your aerobic fitness above/beyond everything else. Even seasoned runners spend 80%+ of their training on endurance work. I can't find the right link for some reason, but this pyramid is the same concept. The base is your endurance work, with the middle being tempo/moderately hard effort, and the top being speed work. What you'd most likely be doing by running close to your 10K time is training in the middle of the pyramid while neglecting the bottom. That's not to say you won't make any gains, but you're leaving a lot on the table.For reference - my HM pace yesterday was 7:15, yet the majority of my running is at the 9-9:15ish pacing. Trust it. It works.
DanFouts
Footballguy
Very helpful! Thanks!!...I am just starting to run again and basically plowing through with no real plan except trying to hit 10 miles...lol
MAC_32
Footballguy
Absolutely will. Most of the ab rats already had HR monitors, but I was able to borrow one. I've always just monitored it on my own because I have a general idea of where I am, but (nerd alert) it was pretty cool following it throughout. My generic mHR is 191, I know I've been up in the 200's before but for science's sake I'm following orders. For the 90 minute portion I'm doing my 9 mile course, checking the watch, then running half of my remaining time away then back. From mile 2 on I've done a consistent job staying in the 140 range, 'conversational' as you have put it before. Trial 1 was just about 10 miles on the nose and trial 2 was 9.5 - suffered through tired legs throughout. I have measured a mile away from my house for the 12 min portion, so I run to that spot, turn around, then run past my house on the way back (uphill out, downhill back) until I hit 12 mins. Trial 1 all I could have was water and was completely miserably starving, expectedly effected my distance on the 12 minute portion. I made it about 5 driveways past my house when the 12 min timer went off, dailymile said it was an extra .09 miles so 2.09 miles total. Trial 2 (gatorade - thankfully, some semblance of calories), despite having noticeably tired legs I made it 6 driveways further in the allotted time - dailymile said .19 miles so 2.19 miles total. Both times my HR had stayed under 190 but it's gotten close both times around 10 mins, so I think I'm going to try and coast a little more between the turnaround and that spot so I don't get up into the 180's until the very end. Hoping when I do trial's 3 and 4 this Thurs and next Tues my legs are fresher. Sure felt great today, but I stayed disciplined and stuck to my plan - 4 miles in 35 mins. 5 mile tempo run tomorrow then off Wed before trial #3 Thurs. I'm feeling great!'Ned said:Mac - Please post the findings of this study. The HR stuff has me interested.
Just hoping the weather behaves mid November so I can make one more run at a 5K PR once this experiment is a week plus behind me.Racers, lots of killing this weekend.Obviously Ned and Pro get the hat tip, but golf claps at minimum to the rest of you.
Ned
Footballguy
What's the goal with the trials? The effects of sports drinks and performance? I'm curious why they'd use some calculation to get mHR to base this all on.'MAC_32 said:Absolutely will. Most of the ab rats already had HR monitors, but I was able to borrow one. I've always just monitored it on my own because I have a general idea of where I am, but (nerd alert) it was pretty cool following it throughout. My generic mHR is 191, I know I've been up in the 200's before but for science's sake I'm following orders. For the 90 minute portion I'm doing my 9 mile course, checking the watch, then running half of my remaining time away then back. From mile 2 on I've done a consistent job staying in the 140 range, 'conversational' as you have put it before. Trial 1 was just about 10 miles on the nose and trial 2 was 9.5 - suffered through tired legs throughout. I have measured a mile away from my house for the 12 min portion, so I run to that spot, turn around, then run past my house on the way back (uphill out, downhill back) until I hit 12 mins. Trial 1 all I could have was water and was completely miserably starving, expectedly effected my distance on the 12 minute portion. I made it about 5 driveways past my house when the 12 min timer went off, dailymile said it was an extra .09 miles so 2.09 miles total. Trial 2 (gatorade - thankfully, some semblance of calories), despite having noticeably tired legs I made it 6 driveways further in the allotted time - dailymile said .19 miles so 2.19 miles total. Both times my HR had stayed under 190 but it's gotten close both times around 10 mins, so I think I'm going to try and coast a little more between the turnaround and that spot so I don't get up into the 180's until the very end. Hoping when I do trial's 3 and 4 this Thurs and next Tues my legs are fresher. Sure felt great today, but I stayed disciplined and stuck to my plan - 4 miles in 35 mins. 5 mile tempo run tomorrow then off Wed before trial #3 Thurs. I'm feeling great!'Ned said:Mac - Please post the findings of this study. The HR stuff has me interested.
Racers, lots of killing this weekend.Obviously Ned and Pro get the hat tip, but golf claps at minimum to the rest of you.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
The training benefits are occurring in ways we can't see or really even experience ...it's the development of our aerobic capacity, and that occurs through the long, slow runs. We've had a number of examples here of guys (me included) who watched their heart rate drop as their systems became more efficient at fueling the muscles. Running hard seems impressive - we sweat more; we hear our hard breathing. But the most benefits come from the subtle internal improvements that occur over time. Congrats on your race!!!'DanFouts said:
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Sand
Footballguy
Hulk Ned SMASH!
I'd would have bet on sub-20, too. Nevertheless, if you just keep this kind of running up you'll be well under 20 in no time.
How much was that a PR by?Just to pile on here. This is a great illustration here on what the contributions are for a trained runner when figuring out his/her training load for a particular race. And note this tilts (for injury purposes) to more aerobic work the newer you are.BTW, Barryp on those forums has a great set of articles there about run training. Best I've seen, in fact. Links, in case you are interested.'DanFouts said:
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Ned
Footballguy
PIN IT! Those links are fantastic.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
That's a very interesting post and seems to make some intuitive sense. Naturally I look at it in the context of marathon running. It *gasp* deviates from Pfitzinger -- Pfitzinger doesn't specify a different speed mix for 2:30 and 4:00 marathoners while this clearly does. Barry is probably right.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Yep, effect of recovery drinks based on performance, also supposed to record how you feel during + after + the next day. I think they're using mHR so effort is consistent person to person, it's helping me put a number to my level of effort too. Not going to keep it beyond the experiment, but I've been using it on my other runs too so I can get a better measuring stick. First 2 trials went about as I expected they would, I'm anticipating my best performance coming off the protein drink but we'll see how this coconut water goes - limited calories doesn't have me feeling optimistic though.What's the goal with the trials? The effects of sports drinks and performance? I'm curious why they'd use some calculation to get mHR to base this all on.'MAC_32 said:Absolutely will. Most of the ab rats already had HR monitors, but I was able to borrow one. I've always just monitored it on my own because I have a general idea of where I am, but (nerd alert) it was pretty cool following it throughout. My generic mHR is 191, I know I've been up in the 200's before but for science's sake I'm following orders. For the 90 minute portion I'm doing my 9 mile course, checking the watch, then running half of my remaining time away then back. From mile 2 on I've done a consistent job staying in the 140 range, 'conversational' as you have put it before. Trial 1 was just about 10 miles on the nose and trial 2 was 9.5 - suffered through tired legs throughout. I have measured a mile away from my house for the 12 min portion, so I run to that spot, turn around, then run past my house on the way back (uphill out, downhill back) until I hit 12 mins. Trial 1 all I could have was water and was completely miserably starving, expectedly effected my distance on the 12 minute portion. I made it about 5 driveways past my house when the 12 min timer went off, dailymile said it was an extra .09 miles so 2.09 miles total. Trial 2 (gatorade - thankfully, some semblance of calories), despite having noticeably tired legs I made it 6 driveways further in the allotted time - dailymile said .19 miles so 2.19 miles total. Both times my HR had stayed under 190 but it's gotten close both times around 10 mins, so I think I'm going to try and coast a little more between the turnaround and that spot so I don't get up into the 180's until the very end. Hoping when I do trial's 3 and 4 this Thurs and next Tues my legs are fresher. Sure felt great today, but I stayed disciplined and stuck to my plan - 4 miles in 35 mins. 5 mile tempo run tomorrow then off Wed before trial #3 Thurs. I'm feeling great!'Ned said:Mac - Please post the findings of this study. The HR stuff has me interested.
Racers, lots of killing this weekend.Obviously Ned and Pro get the hat tip, but golf claps at minimum to the rest of you.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agree so much with this.I think I was doing way too much speed work last year in building for my first half and the 2nd.'Ned said:
I did well in them for me...but a lot was because I was simply not sure how I would handle the distance really at that pace and sandbagged a bit for the first bit.
But I saw so much better results going from #2 to #3 in building my endurance...getting my long runs up to 16 miles for that half...and adding that MLR to about 10-12 miles during that cycle and as Ned says here...lots of slower miles.
I think I was doing the speed work in the beginning because it was hard and more fun and I think I saw more weight loss from that than I did from the longer runs (and at that time this was a focus for me).
Now so much of my running are those GA runs and Recovery runs.
Some tempo as Ned says here and just now getting into interval work...and it has paid off.
Where my old "5k" pace for interval runs was around 7:55...Im doing it more at 7:30 pace now and looking at today's numbers...I could go a bit faster and still keep the HR where it needed to be during the 1000m intervals I was doing.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Ned -- ah hem. Please see bolded.Sorry guys. I've been watching from afar. Just life is incredibly busy.
About 10 days ago, I ran a 21:29 5K in Denver. I was pleased with that performance. Primarily because of the elevation and it was coming at the end of week of a lot of drinking and not a whole lot of sleep. My PR of 20:46 was safe after all those factors.
I continue to train toward Philadelphia Marathon exactly one month from today (November 18). My goal of 3:30 is still a very real possibility. (PR is 3:36) I plan on running with Ned (who I think will run a 1:35
I did a 7 one mile repeats this AM. All were between 6:40 and 6:55 with 3:30 slow jog in between. It felt good but I'm definitely feeling my IT band. I've been rolling it and will continue to do so.
And that guy who ran a 2:46 marathon in flip flops? That is absurd. I didn't see if it said what his PR is with regular shoes. I'd be interested to know that as well.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Great runs all around. This is fun watching everything come together.
Tri-Man -- I know you didn't break 20 min but your times are unreal to me. Keep up the great work.
Ned -- you are my partner in crime in Philly. Unbelieveable run by you! Our HM times are within 45 seconds each other. I'm looking forward to us busting it out in Philly. Can't wait. Congrats on all that training paying off. I hope I can keep up with you now!
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MY UPDATE -- ran 21 miles at 9:05 pace. Nice and easy. The final couple got tough but overall it was a gorgeous day with the leaves changing. It was my longest training run ever. The real bonus to me is that I feel okay today. I could easily run 5 miles today. I won't because I don't want an injury. But all feels good. The IT band is a little tight but I rolled twice after the run yesterday and again this AM. I'll keep hitting it a couple times a day for the rest of this week. All good though. 21 miles and no pain the next day. I'm pumped.
Tri-Man -- I know you didn't break 20 min but your times are unreal to me. Keep up the great work.
Ned -- you are my partner in crime in Philly. Unbelieveable run by you! Our HM times are within 45 seconds each other. I'm looking forward to us busting it out in Philly. Can't wait. Congrats on all that training paying off. I hope I can keep up with you now!
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MY UPDATE -- ran 21 miles at 9:05 pace. Nice and easy. The final couple got tough but overall it was a gorgeous day with the leaves changing. It was my longest training run ever. The real bonus to me is that I feel okay today. I could easily run 5 miles today. I won't because I don't want an injury. But all feels good. The IT band is a little tight but I rolled twice after the run yesterday and again this AM. I'll keep hitting it a couple times a day for the rest of this week. All good though. 21 miles and no pain the next day. I'm pumped.
Ned
Footballguy
Great runs all around. This is fun watching everything come together. Tri-Man -- I know you didn't break 20 min but your times are unreal to me. Keep up the great work.
funny I think the roles will be reversed in Philly. I'll need to be on my A game to still be with you at mile 20. We are going to need to work out logistics on race day. Comfortably numb will be meeting me there also, so we should figure out a good rendezvous point. Gear dropoff might be the easiest since its usually held by UPS trucks which makes it easy to find in the 100K+ people. I'm looking forward to running with someone that seems so evenly matched. I'm sure it'll be a huge boost to have a partner for 26.2.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Sweet! I'm a fan of those over-20 mile runs - solid training both physically and mentally.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
My previous best was 2:10:40 9:59
DanFouts
Footballguy
Thanks for all the advice! Great thread!
Just curious...any of you east coast guys ever run this race in Philly? Schuykill River Run
Looks like it's 8.4 miles along the river around Nov 10
Just wondering if it's a good course, how cold Philly is in Nov 10, and whether I should try it!
Just curious...any of you east coast guys ever run this race in Philly? Schuykill River Run
Looks like it's 8.4 miles along the river around Nov 10
Just wondering if it's a good course, how cold Philly is in Nov 10, and whether I should try it!
gruecd
Footballguy
Nice 14-miler tonight. Right quad and hamstring were a little sore, so I wasn't sure what to expect. Started off slow and then picked it up for the last 5-6 miles. Split 57:18/53:20, overall average 7:55/mile.
Considering I ran some fast miles two days ago and just ran a 50K last weekend, I'm happy with the run. This is my last big mileage week before JFK:
M - 14
T - 8
W - rest
T - 30
F - 20
S - rest
S - 5
Feeling really fit with the race just 26 days away!
Considering I ran some fast miles two days ago and just ran a 50K last weekend, I'm happy with the run. This is my last big mileage week before JFK:
M - 14
T - 8
W - rest
T - 30
F - 20
S - rest
S - 5
Feeling really fit with the race just 26 days away!
gruecd
Footballguy
Wow. Great work, prosopis!My previous best was 2:10:40 9:59
gruecd
Footballguy
What's hilarious about the ultra training is that I don't even consider 20-milers "long" anymore....
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Awesomeness, CONGRATS!!!My previous best was 2:10:40 9:59
Sand
Footballguy
My previous best was 2:10:40 9:59
Yep - this clearly shows why training for marathons among the elite and the 4:00 crowd is very different. They are very different races for those two groups.
Well, you're ####### nuts. We don't expect anything less.What's hilarious about the ultra training is that I don't even consider 20-milers "long" anymore....
-----Oh, ya, training. Ran 7 today at lunch just because it was ####### fantastic outside. Last week was 90 miles on the bike, 2500yds in the pool and lake, and 10 miles run. 8 hours of good work. Trying to bump that to 10 or so with 25+ mpw runnning for a while.
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Amazing amount of mileage.
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