Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

[koby925]

I took yesterday off then capped off a very odd week with a 14 miler this morning. My longest run in about 15 years. Total time was 1:48 (7:43 pace) with splits of 55/53. Man that was tiring and my dogs are barking now. And I did it with no water (did drink some before and took a gel pack) so all I've been doing since the run is sucking down fluids.

My odd week of 38.5 miles

M - Off

T - 5.5 total with 2 miles tempo in 11:55 on treadmill

W - 5.5 in high suckex after work

T - 6 with highest suckex of season after work - had to walk a bit around 4

F - 7.5 in morning having to walk some

S -Off

S - 14

 

[Ned]

And I did it with no water (did drink some before and took a gel pack) so all I've been doing since the run is sucking down fluids.

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[Ned]

Not sure how long I can go at this clip, but I'll keep trying. Up at 4-5am for every run since its the only time I have to myself right now. The heat wave hasn't helped, but I managed a solid week 1 of marathon training. It'll pay off......

Tue (9 w/ 4LT) - Legs were tired from the start, but I put in some decent tempo miles considering the dead legs and heat. Avg 7:21/175 for the LT miles.

Wed (11mi MLR) - Dead legs, but good HR for this heat. 9:04/143

Fri (9mi GA) - Bailed a mile early due to chills and dropping HR. My shoes were soaked thru by mile 5. 8:58/147

Sat (5mi Recovery) - Felt the best I've felt all week. 9:33/135

Sun (15mi MLR) - Total opposite experience from yesterday. HR was high from the start and legs were dead again. Just grinding away. 9:09/148

48mi for the week.

 

[Annyong]

So I didn't make it in time for my first 10k today. Got stuck behind a major accident on the highway and another just off the exit on the way there. Was really excited to race too. Even more upset after looking up the race results and seeing I most likely would have won my AG. Was aiming for a sub 48 and my AG winner was at 48:46.

Time to find a new race.

Almost 49 minutes won your age group? What are you 87?

29 and i thought 49 minutes was really slow too.

 

[koby925]

And I did it with no water (did drink some before and took a gel pack) so all I've been doing since the run is sucking down fluids.

My Link

I know...I need to break down and get a water belt. Tried holding a bottle the other day and hated it. Around 11 miles I saw a couple people's waters on the side of the path. I strongly considered just a sip from someone else's water but didn't do it.

 

[tri-man 47]

BassNBrew and Duck - Final question regarding rehydration packs/belts. If you had to make a call right now based on the fact that I'm going to be building up training to my first ultra, would you go with:

1) Solomon Twin XT Hydration Belt - http://www.rei.com/product/846112/salomon-xt-twin-hydration-belt

-or-

2a) UD AK Race Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-600-ak-race-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

2b) UD SJ Ultra Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-601-sj-ultra-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

Pretty sure I know BNB's answer, but what about the Solomon belt makes you like it so much? Is two 20oz bottles enough most of the time? Is there room enough in the storage pouch for another 8-10oz flask type bottle? Is the storage in the pocket(s) sizable enough for what you'd like on your typical runs? What do you consider the upsides/downsides to this particular belt?

Not sure which way Duck would recommend for a newbie, but I'm definitely interested. Would the Ultimate Direction packs be overkill for runs of less than a couple hours of duration? I like the packs from the standpoint of having that extra room if/when it's needed, though just not sure how often I'd utilize the pack storage.

Sorry for all the questions, but I hate to drop $65-125 and then regret the purchase after making an uninformed decision. Thanks guys.

I've been considering those options as well, and my leaning is 2a. My worry with the REI is the friction/bounce from that much of a pack around my waist ...maybe BnB can comment on that. I like the idea of carrying the bottles up high where it seems like they would ride steady.

 

[beer 302]

And I did it with no water (did drink some before and took a gel pack) so all I've been doing since the run is sucking down fluids.

My Link

I know...I need to break down and get a water belt. Tried holding a bottle the other day and hated it. Around 11 miles I saw a couple people's waters on the side of the path. I strongly considered just a sip from someone else's water but didn't do it.

You're too good to waste talent on being stupid. You've followed along enough in this thread to know what to do so don't risk an injury or worse. For a run that length in the heat you need at least a 20oz hand held and probably 2 at the pace you run.So along the lines of SayWhat's hydration pack question, what doctor do I go see for this ankle problem? Hasn't gotten any better (or worse) but wearing a brace and icing it 2-3 times a day isn't going to fix it. I rather not get bounced around seeing a couple of docs if I can just go to the right one first. Pain on the inside of my ankle behind the bone that sticks out and slightly up the back of my leg. I "think" it sounds like Tibialis Posterior Tendonitis. All I know is that 2nd photo showing a guy inverting his ankle is what causes me great pain. As long as the ankle is stable and going forward its not bad but any lateral movement is painful. So who would be the best to see about such a malady?

 

[SFBayDuck]

BassNBrew and Duck - Final question regarding rehydration packs/belts. If you had to make a call right now based on the fact that I'm going to be building up training to my first ultra, would you go with:

1) Solomon Twin XT Hydration Belt - http://www.rei.com/product/846112/salomon-xt-twin-hydration-belt

-or-

2a) UD AK Race Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-600-ak-race-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

2b) UD SJ Ultra Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-601-sj-ultra-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

Pretty sure I know BNB's answer, but what about the Solomon belt makes you like it so much? Is two 20oz bottles enough most of the time? Is there room enough in the storage pouch for another 8-10oz flask type bottle? Is the storage in the pocket(s) sizable enough for what you'd like on your typical runs? What do you consider the upsides/downsides to this particular belt?

Not sure which way Duck would recommend for a newbie, but I'm definitely interested. Would the Ultimate Direction packs be overkill for runs of less than a couple hours of duration? I like the packs from the standpoint of having that extra room if/when it's needed, though just not sure how often I'd utilize the pack storage.

Sorry for all the questions, but I hate to drop $65-125 and then regret the purchase after making an uninformed decision. Thanks guys.

I've been considering those options as well, and my leaning is 2a. My worry with the REI is the friction/bounce from that much of a pack around my waist ...maybe BnB can comment on that. I like the idea of carrying the bottles up high where it seems like they would ride steady.

I haven't tried the Salomon waist pack, but I do have a double bottle one (from REI) that I just didn't like - it bounced a lot, and I was constantly messing with the belt. I haven't worn that thing in a couple of years. I don't mind a single bottle waist pack, as it's not too heavy and doesn't bounce as much - although the downside is it doesn't really have any room to store anything else other than a gel - it's really about just not having to hand carry that 2nd bottle.

As for the other 2, I would think the AK model would be more than enough in terms of storage, while the Jurek one would be more for all day events or stuff with weather where you need to carry a lot. The only negative I've heard about those bottles-in-the-front packs are that some people have reported the bottles digging into their ribs a bit. I've seen a couple people replace them with those collapsible, soft "bottles".

 

[Hang 10]

Todays workout...

My street is a circle and .4ish miles.

3 rounds

Run

50 pushups

Run

1 1/2 minute plank

Run

100 flutter kicks

Bonus one last run around the loop for an even 4 miles.

90 degrees outside but still maintained a 8 minute pace throughout. They planks were probably the hardest part of the workout. I was shaken like a leaf the last 30 seconds of round 3.

 

[SFBayDuck]

First 20 miler of this training cycle in the books, complete with 3,500' of elevation gain and loss including a long, slow slog from literally sea level up 1200' from mile 12 1/2 to about mile 16.

I was honestly pinching myself that I was running in the Wasatch Mountains on Friday and along the Pacific in Pt. Reyes two days later. After a couple of miles on a busy fire road I took a spur off to the side onto beautiful single track, up into the fog, and then finally hits the creatively named Coast Trail for several miles. Most of that trail is up on a bluff above the surf, with great views out onto the ocean, but there are two spurs that go down to what are usually completely deserted beaches. Then it was that big climb, and back up onto the single track before rejoining the fire road and back to the start.

Pushed the (lack of ) nutrition a bit on this one with just coffee/coconut milk and 6 amino acid supplements before, and then drank all 2L of GU Brew Roctane in my hydration pack and ate one and a half chia/fruit bars that are about 120 calories each. Felt pretty good, but I did feel a little low a couple of times and will absolutely take on more food during an actual race event. I pounded a coconut water and a protein bar when I was done, and now restocking my glycogen with a Racer 5 IPA.

 

[koby925]

So what packs/belts do you guys run with for non-ultra stuff? I can't have things bouncing around on me. I get enough of that with my prodigious sack.

 

[Sand]

First 20 miler of this training cycle in the books

Man that looks so awesome.

Annyong - sorry about the 10k. Not much to be done about that. When you get your new race make sure to have it stocked with the same AG runners.

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On my end, a 66 mile ride today - 4600ft of climbing and managed to hold almost 18mph. Day started at 74/100, so it was just dripping. My shoes were soaked within the first 15 miles. At mile 20 I got left by the small group I was with and ended up solo for the remaining 45. So hard. I was a couple minutes faster on the road than last year, and on overall time much faster as I spent only 10 minutes restocking fluids than last year's 30. Drank 6 bottles and still lost 5lbs. Good training day, if a bit painful.

 

[Sean]

Damn Sand, Duck, and Hang 10 killer workouts.

Hit double digits for the first time ever today. 10.3 @ 8:38. Felt pretty good. Cutting the grass afterwards did not however.

Annyong - sucks about the race. Funny that 49 mins won your AG. I ran 46:05 a few weeks ago and finished like 20th in my AG (im 34). Get em next time.

Ned - solid week with everything you have going on. Keep at it.

 

[beer 302]

First 20 miler of this training cycle in the books, complete with 3,500' of elevation gain and loss including a long, slow slog from literally sea level up 1200' from mile 12 1/2 to about mile 16.

I was honestly pinching myself that I was running in the Wasatch Mountains on Friday and along the Pacific in Pt. Reyes two days later. After a couple of miles on a busy fire road I took a spur off to the side onto beautiful single track, up into the fog, and then finally hits the creatively named Coast Trail for several miles. Most of that trail is up on a bluff above the surf, with great views out onto the ocean, but there are two spurs that go down to what are usually completely deserted beaches. Then it was that big climb, and back up onto the single track before rejoining the fire road and back to the start.

Pushed the (lack of ) nutrition a bit on this one with just coffee/coconut milk and 6 amino acid supplements before, and then drank all 2L of GU Brew Roctane in my hydration pack and ate one and a half chia/fruit bars that are about 120 calories each. Felt pretty good, but I did feel a little low a couple of times and will absolutely take on more food during an actual race event. I pounded a coconut water and a protein bar when I was done, and now restocking my glycogen with a Racer 5 IPA.

You are doing nothing to change my opinion that you do, in fact, suck.

First 20 miler of this training cycle in the books

Man that looks so awesome.

Annyong - sorry about the 10k. Not much to be done about that. When you get your new race make sure to have it stocked with the same AG runners.

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On my end, a 66 mile ride today - 4600ft of climbing and managed to hold almost 18mph. Day started at 74/100, so it was just dripping. My shoes were soaked within the first 15 miles. At mile 20 I got left by the small group I was with and ended up solo for the remaining 45. So hard. I was a couple minutes faster on the road than last year, and on overall time much faster as I spent only 10 minutes restocking fluids than last year's 30. Drank 6 bottles and still lost 5lbs. Good training day, if a bit painful.

Nice little ride there Sand

 

[SayWhat?]

First 20 miler of this training cycle in the books, complete with 3,500' of elevation gain and loss including a long, slow slog from literally sea level up 1200' from mile 12 1/2 to about mile 16.

I was honestly pinching myself that I was running in the Wasatch Mountains on Friday and along the Pacific in Pt. Reyes two days later. After a couple of miles on a busy fire road I took a spur off to the side onto beautiful single track, up into the fog, and then finally hits the creatively named Coast Trail for several miles. Most of that trail is up on a bluff above the surf, with great views out onto the ocean, but there are two spurs that go down to what are usually completely deserted beaches. Then it was that big climb, and back up onto the single track before rejoining the fire road and back to the start.

Pushed the (lack of ) nutrition a bit on this one with just coffee/coconut milk and 6 amino acid supplements before, and then drank all 2L of GU Brew Roctane in my hydration pack and ate one and a half chia/fruit bars that are about 120 calories each. Felt pretty good, but I did feel a little low a couple of times and will absolutely take on more food during an actual race event. I pounded a coconut water and a protein bar when I was done, and now restocking my glycogen with a Racer 5 IPA.

Honestly unbelievable scenery for "everyday" runs that you post. Incredibly jealous.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I went out yesterday for two easy miles just to test my ankle and see if it would hold up. It felt fine while running with just a few minor snarls here and there, but was sorer than I would like the rest of the day despite icing it. It also seemed noticeable worse this morning than it was yesterday morning, so I think it needs more rest. I don't have anything important on the calendar, so there's no reason to rush back and potentially worsen it.

 

[Ned]

Duck - Jesus dude. That single track looks like paradise.

Sean - When the hell did you get so fast? That's a smoking first ever 10 miler.

koby - I'm a fan of the amphipod line. The airstretch belt is . Zero bounce/chaffing with that belt. The customization of adding/subtracting bottle clips is what puts it over the other brands. I have their handheld also which is nice for the shorter runs where you don't need a ton of water.

 

[Ned]

I went out yesterday for two easy miles just to test my ankle and see if it would hold up. It felt fine while running with just a few minor snarls here and there, but was sorer than I would like the rest of the day despite icing it. It also seemed noticeable worse this morning than it was yesterday morning, so I think it needs more rest. I don't have anything important on the calendar, so there's no reason to rush back and potentially worsen it.

Ugh, sucks man. At least you're being smart about it.

My wife sprained her ankle when she ran the 10K trail race with me at the triple back in April. It took forever for it to totally heal. She stayed somewhat active on it which kept irritating it. Its just now feeling 100%. Those damn joints are finicky as hell. GL!

 

[parasaurolophus]

10 wet miles yesterday at 10:10 pace. No knee pain. Still have the lingering quad issue from being a moron, but not as bad as it was. First time I had a bathroom issue on a longer run. Had to stop at a portapotty at a local park. This has always been a paranoia for me regarding races. I have a very bad stomach and honestly cant believe this is my first issue this year. Have definitely changed running times many times so far, but havent had a mid run issue until yesterday. Sorry if TMI.

Loving the shoe dryer that I got on grue's reco. I love that I can put my hydration bladders on it too.

Kind of in a pickle for this week for how to fit in my runs. Supposed to do 4,6,4,11. I have a 5k thursday night and I leave for vegas saturday. Really dont want to run 11 miles in vegas, especially because we are hoping to tackle bridge mountain which I hear is quite tough.

 

[tri-man 47]

10 wet miles yesterday at 10:10 pace. No knee pain. Still have the lingering quad issue from being a moron, but not as bad as it was. First time I had a bathroom issue on a longer run. Had to stop at a portapotty at a local park. This has always been a paranoia for me regarding races. I have a very bad stomach and honestly cant believe this is my first issue this year. Have definitely changed running times many times so far, but havent had a mid run issue until yesterday. Sorry if TMI.

Congrats on the 10, and good to hear about the lack of knee pain. Would it help to try some of that crystallized ginger that SFDuck referred to recently? And do you know what causes the stomach issue? Do you have a celiac issue at all? Do you do much Annyongish drinking? Too much red meat? For morning runs, I know that once I've cleared the system, I'm good for a long while. Nevertheless, any time I see a porta-potty, I make a mental note. I can be driving down the highway hours from home, but if I see a PP, I make note.

 

[gruecd]

Nevertheless, any time I see a porta-potty, I make a mental note. I can be driving down the highway hours from home, but if I see a PP, I make note.

I've thought about creating an app for this. It would map not only porta-potties, but also parks and gas stations, hours, etc. I could make MILLIONS!

 

[Hang 10]

Nevertheless, any time I see a porta-potty, I make a mental note. I can be driving down the highway hours from home, but if I see a PP, I make note.

I've thought about creating an app for this. It would map not only porta-potties, but also parks and gas stations, hours, etc. I could make MILLIONS!

Mapmy####

 

[worrierking]

Nevertheless, any time I see a porta-potty, I make a mental note. I can be driving down the highway hours from home, but if I see a PP, I make note.

I've thought about creating an app for this. It would map not only porta-potties, but also parks and gas stations, hours, etc. I could make MILLIONS!

I have what could be politely described as a delicate tummy. It could also be less kindly described as I #$@! a lot. I have fewer problems on runs now than I used to, but I still spy Port-o-pots whenever they show up in my neighborhood. Thankfully, we are experiencing a construction boom right now, and every construction site needs a port-o-pot so I have had ample selection if needed. I have had some epic battles while being "chased by a brown bear," including several emergency trips to vacant lots and behind unoccupied buildings. A few weeks ago, somebody had an old toilet sitting on the side of the road for the trash collectors to take. My wife was running with me that day and she told me it was just another option if I needed one. Funny girl, sometimes.

I pop an imodium before races, just to make sure I don't need an emergency stop.

 

[The_Man]

Speaking of poop, did anyone already post this story about a jogger caught on video pooping next to the same New Mexico house four times since April? I've been in and out of this thread, so my apologies if it's already been covered.

Ned - 48 miles in Week 1 of your training cycle? So awesome.

Duck and Sand - just amazing.

Ivan - sounds like you're being very smart with the ankle. Good job, sometimes rest is all that can really do the job.

Not a great week of running for me (what else is new?) but I did get in 8.5 yesterday, which is a lot for me in my current condition. No, I'm not pregnant, but I understand why people might make that mistake when then they look at me.

On the bright side, my 15-year-old son is now a runner. He rowed crew for the first time this last spring as a freshman and loves it more than anything - so now he's giving up soccer during the fall and is going to run cross country, primarily to get in shape for crew. But he's also pretty fast already. He went out with me yesterday, and smoked me in the 8.5 miles. I told him that next time he will have to wear a backpack full of 50 lbs. of beer and mozzarella to approximate the conditions I'm currently running under.

 

[MAC_32]

4 Mile Race, > 1K finishers, Sat night, downtown Cleveland, about 82/68 at start time

Given how hard I went early in the month I didn’t decide to really race until about 20 mins before. Did a couple of easy recovery runs during the week, but was still a little tight after really pushing myself hard. Few rounds of lunges, calf raises, high steps, butt kicks, and leg swings and legs felt loose. A little tight around my ankles, but nothing that would bother me during the race.

Had to start off fast to avoid getting stuck in a bottle neck, about 200 m out the main roads open things up though. I settled in on the outside, not picking out anyone to pace off of yet. Most of the first mile is the uphill portion of a bridge over the Cuyahoga, so time wasn’t a priority either. Just settling into my pace. Mile 1, 6:16. Given how uphill it was, happy, and I started looking for a pacing target. About that time the first female passed me. About 5’4 115 and looked like someone who should be winning the race. Naturally I settled in about 2 strides behind her and enjoyed the scenery. Stayed right about there until shortly after the 2 mile mark, which I got to in 12:40. Again, very happy with the split, realistic shot at breaking 26. About a block or two after the two mile mark the race fell apart. Gas pain. Very, very bad gas. You’ve all gotten that bubble while racing before. And it’s impossible to maintain stride without feeling like you might s yourself. Got understandably very frustrated and lost touch of everyone in my pack while I battled the problem. Just going as fast as I could without feeling like I might tempt fate. Then all of a sudden about 2 ¾ mile…frrrrummmmppphhhtt. Holy lord I feel great now. So, I got going again. Just before the second bridge too. About halfway up I got my 3 mile split – 19:47. So, I lost about 45 seconds or so while my body and I argued during mile 3. Kills any shot at sub 26, but I can still set a mark to beat next year.

Picked the stride up on the way back down the hill off the bridge before turning the corner for the final ½ mile which was primarily uphill. This is when I really started blowing by people, some had been in the pack I was running with before and were scuffling to the finish. Probably passed 10-15 people over the final ½ mile, and 4 in the final 150 m. Crossed in 26:35, good for 37th overall and 8th in my age group. If I had ran sub 26, as I might have done, I would have been top 5 in age group and top 25 overall. Goal created for next year!

 

[Hang 10]

4 Mile Race, > 1K finishers, Sat night, downtown Cleveland, about 82/68 at start time

Given how hard I went early in the month I didn’t decide to really race until about 20 mins before. Did a couple of easy recovery runs during the week, but was still a little tight after really pushing myself hard. Few rounds of lunges, calf raises, high steps, butt kicks, and leg swings and legs felt loose. A little tight around my ankles, but nothing that would bother me during the race.

Had to start off fast to avoid getting stuck in a bottle neck, about 200 m out the main roads open things up though. I settled in on the outside, not picking out anyone to pace off of yet. Most of the first mile is the uphill portion of a bridge over the Cuyahoga, so time wasn’t a priority either. Just settling into my pace. Mile 1, 6:16. Given how uphill it was, happy, and I started looking for a pacing target. About that time the first female passed me. About 5’4 115 and looked like someone who should be winning the race. Naturally I settled in about 2 strides behind her and enjoyed the scenery. Stayed right about there until shortly after the 2 mile mark, which I got to in 12:40. Again, very happy with the split, realistic shot at breaking 26. About a block or two after the two mile mark the race fell apart. Gas pain. Very, very bad gas. You’ve all gotten that bubble while racing before. And it’s impossible to maintain stride without feeling like you might s yourself. Got understandably very frustrated and lost touch of everyone in my pack while I battled the problem. Just going as fast as I could without feeling like I might tempt fate. Then all of a sudden about 2 ¾ mile…frrrrummmmppphhhtt. Holy lord I feel great now. So, I got going again. Just before the second bridge too. About halfway up I got my 3 mile split – 19:47. So, I lost about 45 seconds or so while my body and I argued during mile 3. Kills any shot at sub 26, but I can still set a mark to beat next year.

Picked the stride up on the way back down the hill off the bridge before turning the corner for the final ½ mile which was primarily uphill. This is when I really started blowing by people, some had been in the pack I was running with before and were scuffling to the finish. Probably passed 10-15 people over the final ½ mile, and 4 in the final 150 m. Crossed in 26:35, good for 37th overall and 8th in my age group. If I had ran sub 26, as I might have done, I would have been top 5 in age group and top 25 overall. Goal created for next year!

Solid race. Way to let er rip.

 

[tri-man 47]

About a block or two after the two mile mark the race fell apart. Gas pain. Very, very bad gas. Then all of a sudden about 2 ¾ mile…frrrrummmmppphhhtt.

This is when I really started blowing by people,

I see what you did here.

Between HR zones and digestive systems, the intimate knowledge around here is a little scary sometimes. But stories of the latter are always such fun.

Great speed, though, MAC. And The_Man ...that story had not been posted here. That's an unusual one!

 

[worrierking]

Great Job, MAC.

I was nowhere near New Mexico!

 

[BassNBrew]

BassNBrew and Duck - Final question regarding rehydration packs/belts. If you had to make a call right now based on the fact that I'm going to be building up training to my first ultra, would you go with:

1) Solomon Twin XT Hydration Belt - http://www.rei.com/product/846112/salomon-xt-twin-hydration-belt

-or-

2a) UD AK Race Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-600-ak-race-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

2b) UD SJ Ultra Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-601-sj-ultra-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

Pretty sure I know BNB's answer, but what about the Solomon belt makes you like it so much? Is two 20oz bottles enough most of the time? Is there room enough in the storage pouch for another 8-10oz flask type bottle? Is the storage in the pocket(s) sizable enough for what you'd like on your typical runs? What do you consider the upsides/downsides to this particular belt?

Not sure which way Duck would recommend for a newbie, but I'm definitely interested. Would the Ultimate Direction packs be overkill for runs of less than a couple hours of duration? I like the packs from the standpoint of having that extra room if/when it's needed, though just not sure how often I'd utilize the pack storage.

Sorry for all the questions, but I hate to drop $65-125 and then regret the purchase after making an uninformed decision. Thanks guys.

I can get the 5oz gel flask in the front. I've tried vest/backpack types and don't care for them.

1. I don't like the weight on my shoulders. Furthermore, you're going to have a varying impact on your posture as the weight changes. The straps in the front are something else to rub your nips.

2. I don't like messing around with cleaning the bladders.

3. I races it simplier to hand a bottle to a volunteer then taking off the pack. You can also dump out old fliud as you come towards an aid station.

4. I hot weather the vest can get warm. It's nice to start with frozen water but gets hot later on. I very cold weather the bladder hoses can freeze.

5. I can never seem to get the bladder hose situated where I like it.

Two 20 oz bottles will last me 3 hours at the start and 2 hours there after. That will get me between aid stations. Occasionally I'll take bigger bottles if I need more water.

For my Mitchell run I had a lightweight jacket stowed in back with a couple of bars, extra hat, gloves, and poop rags. It did a get a little tight. If I had carried yak-trax a back pack would have been better.

 

[BassNBrew]

BassNBrew and Duck - Final question regarding rehydration packs/belts. If you had to make a call right now based on the fact that I'm going to be building up training to my first ultra, would you go with:

1) Solomon Twin XT Hydration Belt - http://www.rei.com/product/846112/salomon-xt-twin-hydration-belt

-or-

2a) UD AK Race Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-600-ak-race-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

2b) UD SJ Ultra Vest - http://ultimatedirection.com/p-601-sj-ultra-vest.aspx?category=signature-series

Pretty sure I know BNB's answer, but what about the Solomon belt makes you like it so much? Is two 20oz bottles enough most of the time? Is there room enough in the storage pouch for another 8-10oz flask type bottle? Is the storage in the pocket(s) sizable enough for what you'd like on your typical runs? What do you consider the upsides/downsides to this particular belt?

Not sure which way Duck would recommend for a newbie, but I'm definitely interested. Would the Ultimate Direction packs be overkill for runs of less than a couple hours of duration? I like the packs from the standpoint of having that extra room if/when it's needed, though just not sure how often I'd utilize the pack storage.

Sorry for all the questions, but I hate to drop $65-125 and then regret the purchase after making an uninformed decision. Thanks guys.

I've been considering those options as well, and my leaning is 2a. My worry with the REI is the friction/bounce from that much of a pack around my waist ...maybe BnB can comment on that. I like the idea of carrying the bottles up high where it seems like they would ride steady.

I don't get any bounce when I use their triangular bottles. The Solomon tightens down pretty good with the bulk of the wieght/friction on the top of the butt/hips. That wide portion in back spreads out the weight well. I found the water in the camelbak swooshing around more annoying up top.

 

[tri-man 47]

I don't get any bounce when I use their triangular bottles. The Solomon tightens down pretty good with the bulk of the wieght/friction on the top of the butt/hips. That wide portion in back spreads out the weight well. I found the water in the camelbak swooshing around more annoying up top.

Thanks, BnB.

 

[Sean]

Nice race MAC!

Slept through the alarm this morning. Will see if I can drag myself out there after my kids baseball game tonight. First tournament game for him (he's 7), should be fun.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

 

[tri-man 47]

The 38 mile week that was (a step-back training week) in a lot of nasty hot weather:

M: 50 pushups/situps

T: 5 miles on track - 4 x 800 (3:10s), 4 x 400 (1:31s)

W: 7 miles - pace. 6 mi @ 8:00/mi, HR=152

Th: 5 mile - 6 x 1/4 mile block striders (one stride per sidewalk square)

F: 50 pushups/situps/lunges/squats

S: 10 miles - pace. 4.5 mi @ 7:59/mi (HR=149) then 2.5 mi @ 7:14/mi (HR=171)

S: 11 miles @ 8:42/mi, HR=146

After a rest day, started a big week today with 7 miles including 4 x 1 mile repeats: 6:40, 6:28, 6:32, 6:27

 

[Hang 10]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Yeah, not sure why you would want to put yourself through a 3+ hour endurance challenge without the proper training.

Why not look for something in Nov. and start training with some purpose today?

 

[Hang 10]

The 38 mile week that was (a step-back training week) in a lot of nasty hot weather:

M: 50 pushups/situps

T: 5 miles on track - 4 x 800 (3:10s), 4 x 400 (1:31s)

W: 7 miles - pace. 6 mi @ 8:00/mi, HR=152

Th: 5 mile - 6 x 1/4 mile block striders (one stride per sidewalk square)

F: 50 pushups/situps/lunges/squats

S: 10 miles - pace. 4.5 mi @ 7:59/mi (HR=149) then 2.5 mi @ 7:14/mi (HR=171)

S: 11 miles @ 8:42/mi, HR=146

After a rest day, started a big week today with 7 miles including 4 x 1 mile repeats: 6:40, 6:28, 6:32, 6:27

That's some nice work today.

 

[Ned]

The 38 mile week that was (a step-back training week) in a lot of nasty hot weather:

M: 50 pushups/situps

T: 5 miles on track - 4 x 800 (3:10s), 4 x 400 (1:31s)

W: 7 miles - pace. 6 mi @ 8:00/mi, HR=152

Th: 5 mile - 6 x 1/4 mile block striders (one stride per sidewalk square)

F: 50 pushups/situps/lunges/squats

S: 10 miles - pace. 4.5 mi @ 7:59/mi (HR=149) then 2.5 mi @ 7:14/mi (HR=171)

S: 11 miles @ 8:42/mi, HR=146

After a rest day, started a big week today with 7 miles including 4 x 1 mile repeats: 6:40, 6:28, 6:32, 6:27

3:20 or better.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Yeah, not sure why you would want to put yourself through a 3+ hour endurance challenge without the proper training.

Why not look for something in Nov. and start training with some purpose today?

Well, I sorta had my heart set on doing a triathlon, and part of the problem is that I really only swim between Memorial Day and Labor Day when our local pool is open, so really the best time to do one would be in September. The sprint triathlon I had originally planned to do would have been perfect.

I just found another sprint triathlon that happens in October. Maybe I'll try to do that one and see if I can find a pool to swim in for the month after Labor Day.

 

[koby925]

4 Mile Race, > 1K finishers, Sat night, downtown Cleveland, about 82/68 at start time

Given how hard I went early in the month I didn’t decide to really race until about 20 mins before. Did a couple of easy recovery runs during the week, but was still a little tight after really pushing myself hard. Few rounds of lunges, calf raises, high steps, butt kicks, and leg swings and legs felt loose. A little tight around my ankles, but nothing that would bother me during the race.

Had to start off fast to avoid getting stuck in a bottle neck, about 200 m out the main roads open things up though. I settled in on the outside, not picking out anyone to pace off of yet. Most of the first mile is the uphill portion of a bridge over the Cuyahoga, so time wasn’t a priority either. Just settling into my pace. Mile 1, 6:16. Given how uphill it was, happy, and I started looking for a pacing target. About that time the first female passed me. About 5’4 115 and looked like someone who should be winning the race. Naturally I settled in about 2 strides behind her and enjoyed the scenery. Stayed right about there until shortly after the 2 mile mark, which I got to in 12:40. Again, very happy with the split, realistic shot at breaking 26. About a block or two after the two mile mark the race fell apart. Gas pain. Very, very bad gas. You’ve all gotten that bubble while racing before. And it’s impossible to maintain stride without feeling like you might s yourself. Got understandably very frustrated and lost touch of everyone in my pack while I battled the problem. Just going as fast as I could without feeling like I might tempt fate. Then all of a sudden about 2 ¾ mile…frrrrummmmppphhhtt. Holy lord I feel great now. So, I got going again. Just before the second bridge too. About halfway up I got my 3 mile split – 19:47. So, I lost about 45 seconds or so while my body and I argued during mile 3. Kills any shot at sub 26, but I can still set a mark to beat next year.

Picked the stride up on the way back down the hill off the bridge before turning the corner for the final ½ mile which was primarily uphill. This is when I really started blowing by people, some had been in the pack I was running with before and were scuffling to the finish. Probably passed 10-15 people over the final ½ mile, and 4 in the final 150 m. Crossed in 26:35, good for 37th overall and 8th in my age group. If I had ran sub 26, as I might have done, I would have been top 5 in age group and top 25 overall. Goal created for next year!

Good race, MAC! Running and especially racing with gas pain is the worst. Good on you for hanging in there.

 

[beer 302]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Yeah, not sure why you would want to put yourself through a 3+ hour endurance challenge without the proper training.

Why not look for something in Nov. and start training with some purpose today?

Well, I sorta had my heart set on doing a triathlon, and part of the problem is that I really only swim between Memorial Day and Labor Day when our local pool is open, so really the best time to do one would be in September. The sprint triathlon I had originally planned to do would have been perfect.

I just found another sprint triathlon that happens in October. Maybe I'll try to do that one and see if I can find a pool to swim in for the month after Labor Day.

Be careful. Just because you can swim or run or bike doesn't mean you can do all 3, back-to-back-to-back. Try doing ANYTHING for 3 hours and see how you hold up. Don't bite off more than you can chew just to do. Train right and attack the ##### with a proper amount of pissed off

 

[sho nuff]

So much to keep up with in here....and nothing to really add on my end.

20 year HS reunion, the Wisconsin trip, wife just getting back from India, and 2 kids who won't leave each other alone have made my training take a backseat to a lot of things.

Was still getting some achilles tightness the last couple of post run days so decided it would be a good time to just take a week off...rest up...do some weight and core work (and of course drink heavily at the reunion).

Hopefully the weather holds up and I can get out on the road tonight after the kids are in bed and endure a sweaty humid run in the dark.

 

[parasaurolophus]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Yeah, not sure why you would want to put yourself through a 3+ hour endurance challenge without the proper training.

Why not look for something in Nov. and start training with some purpose today?

Well, I sorta had my heart set on doing a triathlon, and part of the problem is that I really only swim between Memorial Day and Labor Day when our local pool is open, so really the best time to do one would be in September. The sprint triathlon I had originally planned to do would have been perfect.

I just found another sprint triathlon that happens in October. Maybe I'll try to do that one and see if I can find a pool to swim in for the month after Labor Day.

I would love to do a triathlon, but I suck at swimming. I did one many years ago when I was in much better shape and I was pretty far back in the water. Been swimming lately and trying to get better but the crawl motion just doesnt really work for my shoulders very well.

 

[2Young2BBald]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Yeah, not sure why you would want to put yourself through a 3+ hour endurance challenge without the proper training.

Why not look for something in Nov. and start training with some purpose today?

Well, I sorta had my heart set on doing a triathlon, and part of the problem is that I really only swim between Memorial Day and Labor Day when our local pool is open, so really the best time to do one would be in September. The sprint triathlon I had originally planned to do would have been perfect.

I just found another sprint triathlon that happens in October. Maybe I'll try to do that one and see if I can find a pool to swim in for the month after Labor Day.

Add me to the list that think doing an Oly undertrained is bad idea, especially one like Nations Tri that draws a high caliber crowd. Are you anywhere near Baltimore? If so, there is a super sprint there in late August that has a 300 yard swim. I use TriFind to find events: http://www.trifind.com/md.html

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Yeah, not sure why you would want to put yourself through a 3+ hour endurance challenge without the proper training.

Why not look for something in Nov. and start training with some purpose today?

Well, I sorta had my heart set on doing a triathlon, and part of the problem is that I really only swim between Memorial Day and Labor Day when our local pool is open, so really the best time to do one would be in September. The sprint triathlon I had originally planned to do would have been perfect.

I just found another sprint triathlon that happens in October. Maybe I'll try to do that one and see if I can find a pool to swim in for the month after Labor Day.

Add me to the list that think doing an Oly undertrained is bad idea, especially one like Nations Tri that draws a high caliber crowd. Are you anywhere near Baltimore? If so, there is a super sprint there in late August that has a 300 yard swim. I use TriFind to find events: http://www.trifind.com/md.html

Yeah, I saw that one. I think my plan is to do this one instead-- http://www.setupevents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=event_detail&eventID=2387 -- should be doable without a huge problem with a couple months training. Then if I like it I can try to do serious training and do the Nation's one in 2014.

 

[tri-man 47]

Well, I sorta had my heart set on doing a triathlon, and part of the problem is that I really only swim between Memorial Day and Labor Day when our local pool is open, so really the best time to do one would be in September. The sprint triathlon I had originally planned to do would have been perfect.

I just found another sprint triathlon that happens in October. Maybe I'll try to do that one and see if I can find a pool to swim in for the month after Labor Day.

The sprint tri could be feasible ...as others note, a 3 hour Olympic tri would be awfully difficult and probably no fun at all. The interesting challenge of a triathlon is taking your ability at the three individual sports and stacking them together in an event. If you can handle the distances of the sprint race, then it's a matter of putting them together. Worst case for the swim is you have an extended taper after Labor Day. You could keep up on some strength work and focus on some bike and run training.

 

[BassNBrew]

So how realistic would it be for me to do the Nation's triathlon in a month and a half? http://nationstri.com/home.html (1.5K swim, 40K bike, 10K run).

I've never done a triathlon before. I was hoping to do a different one in September that's about half the distance of this one, but just figured out that I have a schedule conflict.

I'm in OK shape but I don't have a serious training regimen right now. I probably go for a run once or twice a week, try to swim once or twice a week, never take a long bike ride. The last time I did a 10K was probably a year ago. I think I could do any one of the three legs individually without killing myself, but all three in a row would probably be brutal. I could certainly ramp up my training until the race, but my schedule sometimes makes it difficult to exercise other than really early in the morning or after the kids go to bed.

OK, starting to convince myself this is a bad idea. Just bummed out that I can't do the other one -- was looking forward to it.

Kinda of depends on how fat you are and how little the coat is.

Pool swim and 1.5k are two entirely different beasts. If you are very confident on the swim, doing this event wouldn't be a problem. 40k bike is a warm up

 

[Sand]

Yeah, I saw that one. I think my plan is to do this one instead-- http://www.setupevents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=event_detail&eventID=2387 -- should be doable without a huge problem with a couple months training. Then if I like it I can try to do serious training and do the Nation's one in 2014.

Get in the pool (as in 2-3x a week). A 750m swim isn't a joke. You can fake the rest, but not the swim leg. The remainder looks fine - flat bike and run. Looks like fun.

I would love to do a triathlon, but I suck at swimming. I did one many years ago when I was in much better shape and I was pretty far back in the water. Been swimming lately and trying to get better but the crawl motion just doesnt really work for my shoulders very well.

Honest advice - you're doing it wrong. Shoulder pain during swimming indicates bad form and is really the one thing you can do to injure yourself in the pool. If you really wanted to do a tri, go get some lessons. Swimming = golf. Very technical - professional assistance to get you on the right track is a huge help.

 

[Sand]

40k bike is a warm up

Pretty much everything for you is a warmup.

BTW, it looks like they are finally making those shirts. I'll PM you when I get yours. On a side note, evidently the pain of BS&G has faded as I'm kinda looking forward to cracking Snake Mountain next year, if i can. Doing another century this weekend - the Hot Hundred. Yes, I'm an idiot.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yeah, I saw that one. I think my plan is to do this one instead-- http://www.setupevents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=event_detail&eventID=2387 -- should be doable without a huge problem with a couple months training. Then if I like it I can try to do serious training and do the Nation's one in 2014.

Get in the pool (as in 2-3x a week). A 750m swim isn't a joke. You can fake the rest, but not the swim leg. The remainder looks fine - flat bike and run. Looks like fun.

I would love to do a triathlon, but I suck at swimming. I did one many years ago when I was in much better shape and I was pretty far back in the water. Been swimming lately and trying to get better but the crawl motion just doesnt really work for my shoulders very well.

Honest advice - you're doing it wrong. Shoulder pain during swimming indicates bad form and is really the one thing you can do to injure yourself in the pool. If you really wanted to do a tri, go get some lessons. Swimming = golf. Very technical - professional assistance to get you on the right track is a huge help.

Somebody in this thread(can't remember who) advised me to ask the lifeguard for some pointers. I got some advice and it seems to help and will continue to help, but I honestly am not sure it is in the cards for anything above 1500 meters unless I throw in some breast stroke too. My right shoulder hurts doing just about anything. Volleyball, pushups, reaching for a dish,throwing a baseball, shooting a basketball, anything that involves putting my arm in the air above the shoulder. I cant be doing every one of these things wrong.

It is nothing major, but if I do it over and over, especially quickly, it can get inflamed. Going to keep working at it because I do love how the pool feels the day after a run, but I am not very optimistic.

 

[BassNBrew]

40k bike is a warm up

Pretty much everything for you is a warmup.

BTW, it looks like they are finally making those shirts. I'll PM you when I get yours. On a side note, evidently the pain of BS&G has faded as I'm kinda looking forward to cracking Snake Mountain next year, if i can. Doing another century this weekend - the Hot Hundred. Yes, I'm an idiot.

I had hoped to do a better race report but my data disappeared when I got around to it last week.

BSG 100 Race Report

Met Sand on Friday. After our warm up ride I knew hanging with him wasn't in the cards. I decided to try to help a buddy try to complete his first BSG. He bagged it around mile 48 due to cramps. I finished the ride solo about 45 minutes after Sand. 160 miles of training over 3 months doesn't cut it for a 100 mile ride.

FWIW, Sand is probably one of the smartest dudes I've ever met (or he fakes it well). Hearing about his work was very interesting. Very glad he came up and he's invited back anytime. Maybe next year I'll train for the event and can ride some of it with him. He's also got one of the badass bikes around.