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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)
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Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Brewers 10k this morning. Paced my friend to his best ever run at an 8:38 clip. He wanted to walk several times and kept asking to slow down. I told him if he could talk he still had gas in the tank and we weren't slowing down. He said he had a goal of 8:40 before the race so I wanted him to get there. He was absolutely thrilled when we finished and I really had a great time. Race was very organized compared to what I heard about the run earlier this year at Miller Park. When the run was over they had people passing out water, granola bars, bananas, cookies, chips, gatorade etc. It was like a block long buffet line. No waiting to get the two free beers afterward. Was fun running on the field. Will definitely do it again next year.
Hang 10
Footballguy
8K this morning. Man, it sucks getting older. Ran a 32:03 in 20 mph winds and came in 4th in my 35-39 age group....2 weeks younger and I'm 1st in the 30-34. Oh well, I didn't treat this race like a "A" race, so maybe the guys in front of me wanted it more. 
ETA: But on the positive side, I was pretty proud of my consistent splits.
6:17
6:26
6:26
6:27
6:25
Not bad with the shifting wind.
ETA: But on the positive side, I was pretty proud of my consistent splits.
6:17
6:26
6:26
6:27
6:25
Not bad with the shifting wind.
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2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
BIG day for my son today at 16 team XC Invitational. The course is goofy with lots of turns and hills and he had run it 4 times and never broke 20. He set himself in the varsity 7 with his last race, so he was in for this one. I could tell he was pushing it a bit hanging with his teams 5th & 6th runner. Coming up a tight hill at about 3/4s of a mile he another kid were fighting for space, hand checking a tossing a few elbows. This flicked a switch and he was ######. He dusted the kid on the down hill and was off. Coming out of the woods at about 1.25 miles he was ahead of #5 and distancing himself from him. He caught #4 before the end of the second mile and sort of hung with him until about 3/4s of a mile to go and then pulled ahead of him. The race ends with a 45 degree turn and then a chute of about 200 meters. He turned the corner with a mini pack of 5 runners about 8-10 yards ahead. He went into a bad ### kick, passed them all with about 15 yards to go a fought to keep them all on his back. Finishing #3 on his team, he was easily 150+ yards ahead of their next runner. His time, at 18:50, is no indication of just how great a race this was. I really think he may have a chance at the 17s by the end of the season. He ended up 64th out of 112 runners (these are all large D1 high schools) and his team finished 8th out of 16 teams.
Waiting for the bus to get back so we can head to BW3s to celebrate.
eta, just read backwards to catch up, GREAT racing today guys!!!!
Waiting for the bus to get back so we can head to BW3s to celebrate.
eta, just read backwards to catch up, GREAT racing today guys!!!!
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Mac - I'm with the others here, unless the course is ridiculously hilly or you're completely dogging it, sub-40 should be very doable for you. In fact, if I were a betting man I would say your finish time would be around 38
x. (and not at all surprised to see 37x)
Koby, etc.. -Thanks for nudging me towards trying out the compression stuff, it might be placebo, it might be the fact that my body is adapting to higher mileage again, but I would like to think the socks have something to do with me feeling a bit better this week.
2Young- Congrats on your son's race! He's only a sophomore right? That's a tremendous breakthrough, and his progress reminds me of one of my best friends who was also my HS XC/track team co-captain our senior year. He ran 20x his freshman year, and then improved steadily and snuck under 18 by the end of our sophomore year. He ended up running 16:0x his junior year and 15:30 on the track senior year. He won our "most improved award" his sophomore and junior years, and the only reason he didn't win it senior year was because he was the team MVP. (when you break the XC state meet record it's kind of an easy call...)
Hang- Nice race man, especially for a "not-all-out" effort. Hilarious sidenote: I think the converts to about a 1:29 on the Jack Daniels VDOT calculator, so mid-1:20s should be in the cards soon.
Para- That's a cool thing to do for/with a friend. Some of my most satisfactory experiences are as a pacer. (kind of like Grue- , except I haven't gone 26.2 for someone yet
). Hopefully the good karma pays off for your upcoming race as well.
x. (and not at all surprised to see 37x)Koby, etc.. -Thanks for nudging me towards trying out the compression stuff, it might be placebo, it might be the fact that my body is adapting to higher mileage again, but I would like to think the socks have something to do with me feeling a bit better this week.
2Young- Congrats on your son's race! He's only a sophomore right? That's a tremendous breakthrough, and his progress reminds me of one of my best friends who was also my HS XC/track team co-captain our senior year. He ran 20
x his freshman year, and then improved steadily and snuck under 18 by the end of our sophomore year. He ended up running 16:0x his junior year and 15:30 on the track senior year. He won our "most improved award" his sophomore and junior years, and the only reason he didn't win it senior year was because he was the team MVP. (when you break the XC state meet record it's kind of an easy call...)Hang- Nice race man, especially for a "not-all-out" effort. Hilarious sidenote: I think the converts to about a 1:29 on the Jack Daniels VDOT calculator, so mid-1:20s should be in the cards soon.
Para- That's a cool thing to do for/with a friend. Some of my most satisfactory experiences are as a pacer. (kind of like Grue- , except I haven't gone 26.2 for someone yet
). Hopefully the good karma pays off for your upcoming race as well.
koby925
Footballguy
Para, great pacing job. I bet your buddy feels great now
Steve -
Hang10 - nice job. That's a great effort with those winds
So I went out and did the BnB workout. Just got back from it. Warmed up 2.5 miles before. Goal was to go around 5:15-5:20 and see what I had left in the quarter. Ran in on the paths I have run many times so know where all the splits are.
First 1/4 - 74. Yikes too fast. In my head I'm thinking that this is sub 5 pace and maybe I should go for it but it's already feeling tough and I don't want to run out of gas like in my race 2 weeks ago
Second 1/4 - 80 2:34 at the half. Back on 5:20 pace but it's feeling tough. This is the quarter I typically lose it...
Third 3/4 - 78 3:52. I made a conscious effort to fight through this quarter figuring if I slowed down too much and came through around 4 minutes I may just give up. But I felt spent at the 3/4
Last quarter - 80 5:12 total. First 200-250 meters of this quarter I was really struggling to stay even under 6 min pace. I start negotiating with myself...you can slow down and still run low 5:20s and try to do an all out quarter...yeah but you can slow down and still beat the 5:16 from a couple weeks ago. This gave me some push and I went all out at the end to get under that time.
After the mile I was hacking a bit and almost puked. One minute rolled by way too fast. Then 30 seconds to go...I have to run a fast quarter now? F. My strategy was to ease into it and watch my form because I had some cushion with the 5:12. Then when I saw .15 on the Garmin I took off. Finished the quarter in 68.
So 6:20 total but that certainly wasn't easy. I still can't believe there are soccer teams that expect all their guys to do this...now I'm pooped and need some brews for the ND/Oklahoma game
Steve -
Hang10 - nice job. That's a great effort with those winds
So I went out and did the BnB workout. Just got back from it. Warmed up 2.5 miles before. Goal was to go around 5:15-5:20 and see what I had left in the quarter. Ran in on the paths I have run many times so know where all the splits are.
First 1/4 - 74. Yikes too fast. In my head I'm thinking that this is sub 5 pace and maybe I should go for it but it's already feeling tough and I don't want to run out of gas like in my race 2 weeks ago
Second 1/4 - 80 2:34 at the half. Back on 5:20 pace but it's feeling tough. This is the quarter I typically lose it...
Third 3/4 - 78 3:52. I made a conscious effort to fight through this quarter figuring if I slowed down too much and came through around 4 minutes I may just give up. But I felt spent at the 3/4
Last quarter - 80 5:12 total. First 200-250 meters of this quarter I was really struggling to stay even under 6 min pace. I start negotiating with myself...you can slow down and still run low 5:20s and try to do an all out quarter...yeah but you can slow down and still beat the 5:16 from a couple weeks ago. This gave me some push and I went all out at the end to get under that time.
After the mile I was hacking a bit and almost puked. One minute rolled by way too fast. Then 30 seconds to go...I have to run a fast quarter now? F. My strategy was to ease into it and watch my form because I had some cushion with the 5:12. Then when I saw .15 on the Garmin I took off. Finished the quarter in 68.
So 6:20 total but that certainly wasn't easy. I still can't believe there are soccer teams that expect all their guys to do this...now I'm pooped and need some brews for the ND/Oklahoma game
koby925
Footballguy
Awesome! 3rd man! Is his classmate still running #1? This team is going to get better and better...
That's amazing consistancy. You'll get on the podium next time.8K this morning. Man, it sucks getting older. Ran a 32:03 in 20 mph winds and came in 4th in my 35-39 age group....2 weeks younger and I'm 1st in the 30-34. Oh well, I didn't treat this race like a "A" race, so maybe the guys in front of me wanted it more.
ETA: But on the positive side, I was pretty proud of my consistent splits.
6:17
6:26
6:26
6:27
6:25
Not bad with the shifting wind.
beer 302
Footballguy
I know what you mean but it still made my 10 year old mind giggle.Nice job by everyone! Holy cow there is fat racing going on 'round here!
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Race Report - Oktoberfest 5K (warning - long)
Last night, I was looking at a schedule of upcoming local races for a couple that I might want to do as a tune-up to my October and November half-marathons. Then I noticed one that was this morning, a quick look at the course map reveals a relatively flat course (which is rare around here). I am experimenting with more periodization in my training this time around, so I actually didn't think I was going to be doing a hard effort for another week or two. I give it some thought, but decide that since my lower shins are still a bit tight in the mornings and the race is early, I should to stick my original plan of running another 2-mile race next weekend and then starting workouts. I have been wearing a pair of compression socks during the day the past week, but I wear them to sleep for the first time last night...
This morning I get up at 7, and lo and behold my shins are feeling the best they've felt in a couple of weeks. After my usual morning trip to the bathroom, I say what the hell, grab some money, the cars keys, tell my wife where I'm going and head out the door. I get to the race at 7:40 and manage to sign up relatively quickly (and got a beer mug!). I figure I needed to cut my warmup short, but the announcer said they're pushing the start back to 8:10, for once I am thankful for the race organizer's ineptitude. I take off for a quick 2-mile warmup and get back to the start area around 8, pin on my number and timing chips and was about to head to the porta-johns at 8:05 to make a last minute deposit when the announcer tells everyone to get on the starting line and asks if the timers are ready. I have a quick debate with myself on whether I should just handicap myself since the race is chip-timed, but decided I didn't want to try to pass 300 people, so I just gambled that my body would cooperate.
The gun goes off and a dozen people shot off the starting line. I had forgotten my garmin at home, so I told myself to run by feel and quickly find myself in about 10th-12th place, but running comfortably. (don't worry, I am Sanding at this point, just not realizing it yet. I notice the guy in front of me is wearing a crossfit shirt and vibrams, and just tell myself "no way in hell". A couple of minute later I pass him and a couple of others, and move into 7th place, then right before the mile I cruised into 5th place, and saw the clock. "5:15". Maybe I should mention that before the race I figured I might be in about mid-17s (sea level 5k) shape, so I was really hoping for sub-18, and beating the 17:40 I ran at sea level in August would be gravy, therefore I was expecting about a 5:30-5:40 split, and 5:1x was actually around what I thought I would be able to run all-out for a mile right now. (per my discussion with Koby last week)
At this point i am trying not to freak out. "okay, maybe they just put that marker in the wrong place, maybe I'm in better shape than I thought, maybe..."
At the halfway point, just as we're done with the first of two loops, my arms tighten and I actually start to get a headache (which is rare for me in a race...) I don't remember much of the 2nd loop, other than me momentarily contemplating to drop out at the halfway point (since it was right next to the start and parking area), and then the same guys I had passed a few minutes ago blowing by me. I somehow hang on and run alongside one of them from 1.5-2 miles before gapping him a little. I see the 2mile split (5:40 2nd mile, 10:55 total) and thought I would either be able to rally and get under 17 minutes or completely die and run high 17s. I tried to keep 5th place in sight and make a move at the end, but I kept on looking down at my watch and tell myself Ï'll go in another 30s". Well we round the 3-mile mark and I have too much real estate to make up, and not only that the guy I thought I had broken came blowing by me and puts about 5 seconds on me in the last 200 meters.
Lesson learned - until I have a better sense of VO2max / 5K pace effort at altitude, bring my garmin. It's also hard as well to recover at altitude once you go into oxygen debt and the lactic acid accumulation starts.
TL
R - 7th place OA, 17:15. (5:15 - 5:40 - 5:46 - 34) - Died horribly but ran about 25-40s faster than I thought I would be able to today. I also finished about 10 and 25s today behind two guys who had beaten me by over 45 seconds in my last 2-mile race, so I'm slowly getting back in shape.
Last night, I was looking at a schedule of upcoming local races for a couple that I might want to do as a tune-up to my October and November half-marathons. Then I noticed one that was this morning, a quick look at the course map reveals a relatively flat course (which is rare around here). I am experimenting with more periodization in my training this time around, so I actually didn't think I was going to be doing a hard effort for another week or two. I give it some thought, but decide that since my lower shins are still a bit tight in the mornings and the race is early, I should to stick my original plan of running another 2-mile race next weekend and then starting workouts. I have been wearing a pair of compression socks during the day the past week, but I wear them to sleep for the first time last night...
This morning I get up at 7, and lo and behold my shins are feeling the best they've felt in a couple of weeks. After my usual morning trip to the bathroom, I say what the hell, grab some money, the cars keys, tell my wife where I'm going and head out the door. I get to the race at 7:40 and manage to sign up relatively quickly (and got a beer mug!). I figure I needed to cut my warmup short, but the announcer said they're pushing the start back to 8:10, for once I am thankful for the race organizer's ineptitude. I take off for a quick 2-mile warmup and get back to the start area around 8, pin on my number and timing chips and was about to head to the porta-johns at 8:05 to make a last minute deposit when the announcer tells everyone to get on the starting line and asks if the timers are ready. I have a quick debate with myself on whether I should just handicap myself since the race is chip-timed, but decided I didn't want to try to pass 300 people, so I just gambled that my body would cooperate.
The gun goes off and a dozen people shot off the starting line. I had forgotten my garmin at home, so I told myself to run by feel and quickly find myself in about 10th-12th place, but running comfortably. (don't worry, I am Sanding at this point, just not realizing it yet. I notice the guy in front of me is wearing a crossfit shirt and vibrams, and just tell myself "no way in hell". A couple of minute later I pass him and a couple of others, and move into 7th place, then right before the mile I cruised into 5th place, and saw the clock. "5:15". Maybe I should mention that before the race I figured I might be in about mid-17s (sea level 5k) shape, so I was really hoping for sub-18, and beating the 17:40 I ran at sea level in August would be gravy, therefore I was expecting about a 5:30-5:40 split, and 5:1x was actually around what I thought I would be able to run all-out for a mile right now. (per my discussion with Koby last week)
At this point i am trying not to freak out. "okay, maybe they just put that marker in the wrong place, maybe I'm in better shape than I thought, maybe..."
At the halfway point, just as we're done with the first of two loops, my arms tighten and I actually start to get a headache (which is rare for me in a race...) I don't remember much of the 2nd loop, other than me momentarily contemplating to drop out at the halfway point (since it was right next to the start and parking area), and then the same guys I had passed a few minutes ago blowing by me. I somehow hang on and run alongside one of them from 1.5-2 miles before gapping him a little. I see the 2mile split (5:40 2nd mile, 10:55 total) and thought I would either be able to rally and get under 17 minutes or completely die and run high 17s. I tried to keep 5th place in sight and make a move at the end, but I kept on looking down at my watch and tell myself Ï'll go in another 30s". Well we round the 3-mile mark and I have too much real estate to make up, and not only that the guy I thought I had broken came blowing by me and puts about 5 seconds on me in the last 200 meters.
Lesson learned - until I have a better sense of VO2max / 5K pace effort at altitude, bring my garmin. It's also hard as well to recover at altitude once you go into oxygen debt and the lactic acid accumulation starts.
TL
R - 7th place OA, 17:15. (5:15 - 5:40 - 5:46 - 34) - Died horribly but ran about 25-40s faster than I thought I would be able to today. I also finished about 10 and 25s today behind two guys who had beaten me by over 45 seconds in my last 2-mile race, so I'm slowly getting back in shape.
Man, you probably have a sub-5 in your if you get in a race now if you can solo a 5:12. Believe it or not I thought about doing this workout today too, I don't know if I made the right decision to run the 5K. I think it gave me more data on my current fitness level, but I probably would've had more fun running this workout. (and feel a little less dead tired)...
So I went out and did the BnB workout. Just got back from it. Warmed up 2.5 miles before. Goal was to go around 5:15-5:20 and see what I had left in the quarter. Ran in on the paths I have run many times so know where all the splits are.
...
So 6:20 total but that certainly wasn't easy. I still can't believe there are soccer teams that expect all their guys to do this...now I'm pooped and need some brews for the ND/Oklahoma game
Congrats Steve, although I think you got the lessons wrong. Maybe you should leave the Garmin at home if your body is stronger than you brain gives it credit. Beyond that, you didn't die horribly. Mile 2, 3, and 3.1 were identical. Your first mile should always be the fastest as your body and heart aren't stressed at the beginning. Looks like a perfectly executed race to me.Race Report - Oktoberfest 5K (warning - long)
Last night, I was looking at a schedule of upcoming local races for a couple that I might want to do as a tune-up to my October and November half-marathons. Then I noticed one that was this morning, a quick look at the course map reveals a relatively flat course (which is rare around here). I am experimenting with more periodization in my training this time around, so I actually didn't think I was going to be doing a hard effort for another week or two. I give it some thought, but decide that since my lower shins are still a bit tight in the mornings and the race is early, I should to stick my original plan of running another 2-mile race next weekend and then starting workouts. I have been wearing a pair of compression socks during the day the past week, but I wear them to sleep for the first time last night...
This morning I get up at 7, and lo and behold my shins are feeling the best they've felt in a couple of weeks. After my usual morning trip to the bathroom, I say what the hell, grab some money, the cars keys, tell my wife where I'm going and head out the door. I get to the race at 7:40 and manage to sign up relatively quickly (and got a beer mug!). I figure I needed to cut my warmup short, but the announcer said they're pushing the start back to 8:10, for once I am thankful for the race organizer's ineptitude. I take off for a quick 2-mile warmup and get back to the start area around 8, pin on my number and timing chips and was about to head to the porta-johns at 8:05 to make a last minute deposit when the announcer tells everyone to get on the starting line and asks if the timers are ready. I have a quick debate with myself on whether I should just handicap myself since the race is chip-timed, but decided I didn't want to try to pass 300 people, so I just gambled that my body would cooperate.
The gun goes off and a dozen people shot off the starting line. I had forgotten my garmin at home, so I told myself to run by feel and quickly find myself in about 10th-12th place, but running comfortably. (don't worry, I am Sanding at this point, just not realizing it yet. I notice the guy in front of me is wearing a crossfit shirt and vibrams, and just tell myself "no way in hell". A couple of minute later I pass him and a couple of others, and move into 7th place, then right before the mile I cruised into 5th place, and saw the clock. "5:15". Maybe I should mention that before the race I figured I might be in about mid-17s (sea level 5k) shape, so I was really hoping for sub-18, and beating the 17:40 I ran at sea level in August would be gravy, therefore I was expecting about a 5:30-5:40 split, and 5:1x was actually around what I thought I would be able to run all-out for a mile right now. (per my discussion with Koby last week)
At this point i am trying not to freak out. "okay, maybe they just put that marker in the wrong place, maybe I'm in better shape than I thought, maybe..."
At the halfway point, just as we're done with the first of two loops, my arms tighten and I actually start to get a headache (which is rare for me in a race...) I don't remember much of the 2nd loop, other than me momentarily contemplating to drop out at the halfway point (since it was right next to the start and parking area), and then the same guys I had passed a few minutes ago blowing by me. I somehow hang on and run alongside one of them from 1.5-2 miles before gapping him a little. I see the 2mile split (5:40 2nd mile, 10:55 total) and thought I would either be able to rally and get under 17 minutes or completely die and run high 17s. I tried to keep 5th place in sight and make a move at the end, but I kept on looking down at my watch and tell myself Ï'll go in another 30s". Well we round the 3-mile mark and I have too much real estate to make up, and not only that the guy I thought I had broken came blowing by me and puts about 5 seconds on me in the last 200 meters.
Lesson learned - until I have a better sense of VO2max / 5K pace effort at altitude, bring my garmin. It's also hard as well to recover at altitude once you go into oxygen debt and the lactic acid accumulation starts.
TL
Nice job Koby. You're over 3 minutes faster than me.Para, great pacing job. I bet your buddy feels great now
Steve -
Hang10 - nice job. That's a great effort with those winds
So I went out and did the BnB workout. Just got back from it. Warmed up 2.5 miles before. Goal was to go around 5:15-5:20 and see what I had left in the quarter. Ran in on the paths I have run many times so know where all the splits are.
First 1/4 - 74. Yikes too fast. In my head I'm thinking that this is sub 5 pace and maybe I should go for it but it's already feeling tough and I don't want to run out of gas like in my race 2 weeks ago
Second 1/4 - 80 2:34 at the half. Back on 5:20 pace but it's feeling tough. This is the quarter I typically lose it...
Third 3/4 - 78 3:52. I made a conscious effort to fight through this quarter figuring if I slowed down too much and came through around 4 minutes I may just give up. But I felt spent at the 3/4
Last quarter - 80 5:12 total. First 200-250 meters of this quarter I was really struggling to stay even under 6 min pace. I start negotiating with myself...you can slow down and still run low 5:20s and try to do an all out quarter...yeah but you can slow down and still beat the 5:16 from a couple weeks ago. This gave me some push and I went all out at the end to get under that time.
After the mile I was hacking a bit and almost puked. One minute rolled by way too fast. Then 30 seconds to go...I have to run a fast quarter now? F. My strategy was to ease into it and watch my form because I had some cushion with the 5:12. Then when I saw .15 on the Garmin I took off. Finished the quarter in 68.
So 6:20 total but that certainly wasn't easy. I still can't believe there are soccer teams that expect all their guys to do this...now I'm pooped and need some brews for the ND/Oklahoma game
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Yes, he has finished in the top 5 in each of their last 4 races and was in the low 17s today. Today, they went soph, junior, soph (my kid), soph and then 3 seniors. They had a varsity B race before the JV race and their team went soph (14th OA), freshman, freshman, senior, junior, soph, soph. And, their #1 JV is a soph too and, the brother of their varsity #2 is an 8th grader (and their older bro was #1 all last year). The dad thinks the 8th grader is the best runner of his boys. Its going to be a fun couple of years and I am so glad to be along for the ride.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
The top 5 from each team score by the way they place and they are added up to a total. You want to score the lowest number as a team. For league meets (jamborees) it like having 6 or 7 "games" going on at the same time like you are competing against each team individually based on score, but are on course with all of them. For the starts, the spray paint corrals for each team and have them numbered. There were 22 teams with 10 varsity runners each at his first meet this season which was CRAZY to see and the one race he was JV they had around 350 kids in a single event. They really have to fight for their space.
Thanks BnB, but my best races seem to have come in more even efforts. I think I still positive split a little bit, but something more like 4:58-5:09-5:04-29. (my splits from my 15:40 PR) would be closer to optimal. Today I ran the first mile 18 seconds faster than my average pace, and despite how comfortable I felt at the time, the fact that I slowed down that much meant I still went out too hard. Heck, if I run 18s faster than my "best possible 5K pace", it's pretty much right near what I can run for the mile right now. I do think running a race the way I did taught me to compete though, as I hung in there with 5th/6th place for the middle 2-2.5 miles of the race and tried to match their efforts, even though I might have been able to roll right by them at the end had I gone out about 10 seconds slower the first mile.
Also want to add that I do agree with you on leaving the watch at home on certain occasions, as it teaches you to run by effort and allow for big breakthroughs as well as learn to gauge your own body's signals and what not.
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25 secs to 5:40 is about 7.5%, 11 secs to 5:09 is about 3.6%. While you may have gone out a little fast relative to optimal, you weren't too far off you pr splits.
Well, that's looking at the spread between the fastest and slowest miles, which might measure how much I slowed down. I was thinking more like
15:40 -> 5:02.6/mi -> 1st mile in 4:58 = 1.5% faster than average pace. (slowest mile 5:09 -> 2% slower than average pace)
17:15 -> 5:33.1/mi -> 1st mile in 5:15 = 5.8% faster than average pace. (slowest mile 5:46 -> 3.7% slower than average pace)
Looking at it that way, I went out close to 4 times (5.8/1.5) as hard as I did in my best race, and slowed almost twice (3.7 / 2) as much for my slowest mile. I don't think I could've run that much faster today though as you said, 4th was place 20 seconds ahead of me and I don't think I could've gotten him even if I ran optimally. Just found out I was 2nd in my AG but 1st place AG was 15:45 so I'm just going to chalk this up as a solid step in the right direction and keep on moving forward.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
What a bunch of great race updates!!!!! Neat to read all of this here at the end of the day.
Way to go, guys (and 2YoungJr).
Way to go, guys (and 2YoungJr).
FUBAR
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Found a stream last night to watch it, they were slightly faster than the old WR splits through halfway, then fell behind by as much as 20s before Kipsang just took over with around 10-12k to go. He was pretty much matching the old WR splits through 40k before he put the hammer down and knocked 19s off the old record. 4:42.8/mi avg.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Winner winner chicken dinner.
didn't go sub 18 but this course ended up being all trails except for the first and last half mile which are ou in a field. Not a PR type of course. I got out to a faster start than I hhave recently, just couldn't hang on. No one being near me til the final half mile im syre didn't help though. Saw someone closing, which caused me to push through the end of race discomfort. Never got within 30 yards though. 1826 forvthe win, second faded to about 1845
didn't go sub 18 but this course ended up being all trails except for the first and last half mile which are ou in a field. Not a PR type of course. I got out to a faster start than I hhave recently, just couldn't hang on. No one being near me til the final half mile im syre didn't help though. Saw someone closing, which caused me to push through the end of race discomfort. Never got within 30 yards though. 1826 forvthe win, second faded to about 1845
Hang 10
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2Young2BBald
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Seriously MAC, awesome.Hang 10 said:
SFBayDuck
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I apparently have wandered into the elite runners thread. World records being discussed, and podium finishes abound. Incredible stuff fellas! I've said it before, and I thought about it while following the Ultra Race of Champions yesterday (100K up in CO that was so competitive that Kilian took 4th. Of course he claims he was bored because there were paved sections)....anyway, that it must be fun to race. You know, against other people, and beat them and stuff. I really enjoy reading about what a lot of you guys do.
As for me, 13 days out from my 50 miler was celebrated with 13 miles on the trails. It ended up being a little more aggressive than I planned in terms of climbing, and with a 400' climb to start the run and another 800' over two miles in the middle I managed 2100' of elevation gain in that half-marathon's worth of trail time. The hay is in the barn now, so the next 12 days will be about resting up and showing up at that start line as ready to go as possible - just some easy 4-6 mile runs with not much in terms of ascent/descent.
Now off to obsess about and continue to tweak my pace chart spreadsheet, which I will laminate and carry with me, of course.....
As for me, 13 days out from my 50 miler was celebrated with 13 miles on the trails. It ended up being a little more aggressive than I planned in terms of climbing, and with a 400' climb to start the run and another 800' over two miles in the middle I managed 2100' of elevation gain in that half-marathon's worth of trail time. The hay is in the barn now, so the next 12 days will be about resting up and showing up at that start line as ready to go as possible - just some easy 4-6 mile runs with not much in terms of ascent/descent.
Now off to obsess about and continue to tweak my pace chart spreadsheet, which I will laminate and carry with me, of course.....
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Great job, MAC!!! 
SFDuck, enjoy the taper. 50 miles on true trails? Now that's impressive. Some day I'd love to race crew or help pace one of your ultras out west.
SFDuck, enjoy the taper. 50 miles on true trails? Now that's impressive. Some day I'd love to race crew or help pace one of your ultras out west.
Sand
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And Steve, and MAC. Damn, guys, what busy (and fruitful) weekend.Mac - I'm with the others here, unless the course is ridiculously hilly or you're completely dogging it, sub-40 should be very doable for you. In fact, if I were a betting man I would say your finish time would be around 38
Koby, etc.. -Thanks for nudging me towards trying out the compression stuff, it might be placebo, it might be the fact that my body is adapting to higher mileage again, but I would like to think the socks have something to do with me feeling a bit better this week.
2Young- Congrats on your son's race! He's only a sophomore right? That's a tremendous breakthrough, and his progress reminds me of one of my best friends who was also my HS XC/track team co-captain our senior year. He ran 20
Hang- Nice race man, especially for a "not-all-out" effort. Hilarious sidenote: I think the converts to about a 1:29 on the Jack Daniels VDOT calculator, so mid-1:20s should be in the cards soon.
Para- That's a cool thing to do for/with a friend. Some of my most satisfactory experiences are as a pacer. (kind of like Grue- , except I haven't gone 26.2 for someone yet
And speaking of that I did finish my ride today. This is the biggest century event in the southeast - 3,000 riders from like 35 states and 15 countries.
Six Gap - complete.
Finish: 6:55 riding time, 7:22 total time, 103.8 miles, 11,800 ft. of climbing. 165W avg, (not what I keyed on for this ride).
Ride here.
Certainly not my best day on the bike - I was sore and achy before we even started. Not really sure why. But I went out with the idea of just finishing this thing, and that I did do. Weather was spectacular - started at 55 degrees and was 75 or so when I crossed the line. The first three passes of the six were fine (and two of the six were the biggest climbs ever for me). Struggled mightily with the fourth (also the hardest, by far). Perhaps it was the solid two miles at 11%+ and the 7 total in the climb? Just brutal and the hardest thing I've done on a bike - ever. The last big one was only 3.2 at a very steady 6.6%. Yeah, that hurt a lot, too. After that it was a nice downhill and book it home.
This is the exact opposite of the last century I did - almost no drafting as there was damn near no flats at all. I had about 4 miles of drafting during the ride. The rest of the time was solo.
Just for reference a guy I know from Birmingham here won the thing in 4:58. 21mph average over that course. Stunning. Set several KOMs along the way and I bet it is a course record.
I wanted to take tomorrow off, but no luck as it seems I just don't get allowed to take vacation (I've thrown vacation hours away for the last three months as I never get to take them). So tomorrow I get to go into work, sadly. I wonder if I'll be ambulatory.
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Nice ride Sand. Impressive mileage total on the year.And Steve, and MAC. Damn, guys, what busy (and fruitful) weekend.Mac - I'm with the others here, unless the course is ridiculously hilly or you're completely dogging it, sub-40 should be very doable for you. In fact, if I were a betting man I would say your finish time would be around 38
Koby, etc.. -Thanks for nudging me towards trying out the compression stuff, it might be placebo, it might be the fact that my body is adapting to higher mileage again, but I would like to think the socks have something to do with me feeling a bit better this week.
2Young- Congrats on your son's race! He's only a sophomore right? That's a tremendous breakthrough, and his progress reminds me of one of my best friends who was also my HS XC/track team co-captain our senior year. He ran 20
Hang- Nice race man, especially for a "not-all-out" effort. Hilarious sidenote: I think the converts to about a 1:29 on the Jack Daniels VDOT calculator, so mid-1:20s should be in the cards soon.
Para- That's a cool thing to do for/with a friend. Some of my most satisfactory experiences are as a pacer. (kind of like Grue- , except I haven't gone 26.2 for someone yet
And speaking of that I did finish my ride today. This is the biggest century event in the southeast - 3,000 riders from like 35 states and 15 countries.
Six Gap - complete.
Finish: 6:55 riding time, 7:22 total time, 103.8 miles, 11,800 ft. of climbing. 165W avg, (not what I keyed on for this ride).
Ride here.
Certainly not my best day on the bike - I was sore and achy before we even started. Not really sure why. But I went out with the idea of just finishing this thing, and that I did do. Weather was spectacular - started at 55 degrees and was 75 or so when I crossed the line. The first three passes of the six were fine (and two of the six were the biggest climbs ever for me). Struggled mightily with the fourth (also the hardest, by far). Perhaps it was the solid two miles at 11%+ and the 7 total in the climb? Just brutal and the hardest thing I've done on a bike - ever. The last big one was only 3.2 at a very steady 6.6%. Yeah, that hurt a lot, too. After that it was a nice downhill and book it home.
This is the exact opposite of the last century I did - almost no drafting as there was damn near no flats at all. I had about 4 miles of drafting during the ride. The rest of the time was solo.
Just for reference a guy I know from Birmingham here won the thing in 4:58. 21mph average over that course. Stunning. Set several KOMs along the way and I bet it is a course record.
I wanted to take tomorrow off, but no luck as it seems I just don't get allowed to take vacation (I've thrown vacation hours away for the last three months as I never get to take them). So tomorrow I get to go into work, sadly. I wonder if I'll be ambulatory.
Mac, congrats on the win.
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Duck - Forgive my crappy memory, but this isn't your first 50, is it? I know when I did Ice Age in May, I said that I'd never do another 50-mile trail race like that, but I'll be damned if I don't already have December 15 marked on my calendar to register for next year's race...Speaking of which, taking off work this afternoon and heading down to the northern Kettle Moraine with a buddy of mine for ~18 miles on the IAT. 13 days to my 50K, and I can't wait.
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Footballguy
It's like Brokeback Race Mountain: "I wish I could quit you." Our Summer of Speed is morphing into Fall Feats.Sand -
100+ miles ..with several massive hills? Speaking of which, an incredible feat ...as if your 5K swims weren't enough! worrierking, you up this coming weekend? How's the taper?
Juxtatarot
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Great races, guys!
The_Man
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Awesome stuff, everyone, especially 2Young. Love it. Unfortunately, my boy is trending in the other direction a bit right now. Had a sketchy dual meet last week - 4th on his JV team, after being 1st in the previous races - and then no running from Wednesday-Saturday as he did his school's sophomore, Outward Bound-type, retreat. However he did bike 240 miles or so during the four-day trip, so he did some endurance work, just not running. Meet tomorrow, meaning today's practice will just be pre-race stuff, so I guilted him pretty hard into doing a 3-mile recovery run yesterday. He didn't want to run following the bike trip, but I finally convinced him he'd be glad he did.
Since it's his first season running, I think he's hitting the wall a little right now. Hopefully he gets it back together for a good finish. The Half Marathon is Oct. 12, the Conference meet is Nov. 6, five weeks from Wednesday.
I'm trying to get it back together again, by pretty much starting over. Going to set realistic mileage goals for someone in my lack of shape and see if I can slowly build it back up. Did 5 miles both Saturday and Sunday, which is lame, but better than the nothing I'd done during the previous 3 weeks.
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