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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

:wub: On a realted-ish topic, after seeing an add for the Nike + Fuel Band I was one click away from proceeding to checkout to buy one, but hit up the Rainmaker right before I did. So glad I did, as the #### thing is only water resistant. I was so hoping to have a gadget that tracked everything (if you look it up, they even tested ####ing, ####ing and other non-traditional exercises).
So they tested it twice? Damn, not much stamina in the reviewer...
Only if you S### when you F###. You southerners are so different.
Nah, we just have so many women to service...


Sand - Awesome. I'll put that on my list

Man, swimming sucks. I'm slower now than I was a few months ago, having taken January off. I'm overthinking my stroke / elbow bend and time of breathing. I should get a coach, but I'm cheap. Probably need to get in the pool more than 2x / week but that's tough with a marathon next month.
If you want to consider getting in on the preorder this page has the signup.

The swimming will come back quick. It's very hard to keep that up at the apex of a serious training cycle.

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On my end, my first real workout of note for the year. Today was the only day I could hit up the cycling studio (or do any cycling, for that matter) this week. Today happened to be "race day", which meant a warmup and a 20 minute power test. Oh, good grief, how these suck. But, since I'm trying not to be a complete wuss, I sucked it up and gave it a go.

Result: 301w for the 20 minutes. I asked him to check the calibration, but he keeps them up pretty well. If that is a real number (I'd guess it is 5-10% high, but I was feeling pretty good today, so who knows) that puts my FTP at 285, which is way higher than I would expect.

And then, since I'm SOL for workouts the rest of the week, I squeezed in a 1500yd pool swim. Same typical 1:10 100 and 2:30 200 splits on the hard stuff, so not too shabby for skipping a couple weeks there.

Overall a pretty darn good workout evening.


 
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Sand said:
2Young2BBald said:
Sand said:
:wub: On a realted-ish topic, after seeing an add for the Nike + Fuel Band I was one click away from proceeding to checkout to buy one, but hit up the Rainmaker right before I did. So glad I did, as the #### thing is only water resistant. I was so hoping to have a gadget that tracked everything (if you look it up, they even tested ####ing, ####ing and other non-traditional exercises).
So they tested it twice? Damn, not much stamina in the reviewer...
Only if you S### when you F###. You southerners are so different.
Nah, we just have so many women to service...


FUBAR said:
Sand - Awesome. I'll put that on my list

Man, swimming sucks. I'm slower now than I was a few months ago, having taken January off. I'm overthinking my stroke / elbow bend and time of breathing. I should get a coach, but I'm cheap. Probably need to get in the pool more than 2x / week but that's tough with a marathon next month.
If you want to consider getting in on the preorder this page has the signup.

The swimming will come back quick. It's very hard to keep that up at the apex of a serious training cycle.

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On my end, my first real workout of note for the year. Today was the only day I could hit up the cycling studio (or do any cycling, for that matter) this week. Today happened to be "race day", which meant a warmup and a 20 minute power test. Oh, good grief, how these suck. But, since I'm trying not to be a complete wuss, I sucked it up and gave it a go.

Result: 301w for the 20 minutes. I asked him to check the calibration, but he keeps them up pretty well. If that is a real number (I'd guess it is 5-10% high, but I was feeling pretty good today, so who knows) that puts my FTP at 285, which is way higher than I would expect.

And then, since I'm SOL for workouts the rest of the week, I squeezed in a 1500yd pool swim. Same typical 1:10 100 and 2:30 200 splits on the hard stuff, so not too shabby for skipping a couple weeks there.

Overall a pretty darn good workout evening.
Quite beastly. Snake won't stand a chance this year.

 
Tell me about calve compression sleeves. Good for training or racing? What's the benefit if you've never really had lower leg problems? Is there any? Why do guys wear arm compression sleeves? If you wear em in bright colors does that mean yer a gay?

 
Tell me about calve compression sleeves. Good for training or racing? What's the benefit if you've never really had lower leg problems? Is there any? Why do guys wear arm compression sleeves? If you wear em in bright colors does that mean yer a gay?
I wear arm compression sleeves simply as arm warmers. Adidas outlet had a buy 1 get one sale so I bought some.

As far as the calf sleeves, I havent noticed anything different from when I wear them compared to when I dont. Dont really have any issues with my calves though. They have been in my drawer for weeks.

-6 last night for my run. The icicles on my face were pretty funny. Was dressed perfectly for the temp though and there was little wind so it was a pretty decent run. WInd makes all the difference it seems.

 
Tell me about calve compression sleeves. Good for training or racing? What's the benefit if you've never really had lower leg problems? Is there any? Why do guys wear arm compression sleeves? If you wear em in bright colors does that mean yer a gay?
I wear arm compression sleeves simply as arm warmers. Adidas outlet had a buy 1 get one sale so I bought some.

As far as the calf sleeves, I havent noticed anything different from when I wear them compared to when I dont. Dont really have any issues with my calves though. They have been in my drawer for weeks.

-6 last night for my run. The icicles on my face were pretty funny. Was dressed perfectly for the temp though and there was little wind so it was a pretty decent run. WInd makes all the difference it seems.
:thumbup:

All I know is that Steve wears them and that's most likely his secret!

BTW, I really don't know how you guys run up in the frozen tundra. You should hear me cry like a little girl when it's below 40 and windy. :cry:

 
Tell me about calve compression sleeves. Good for training or racing? What's the benefit if you've never really had lower leg problems? Is there any? Why do guys wear arm compression sleeves? If you wear em in bright colors does that mean yer a gay?
Arm sleeves are good when you want to have something that can be taken off when it gets hotter. I use them often. I use calf sleeves on longer runs as I find that (knock on wood) I have had less calf problems with them. I also use them in medium cold weather - 30s - when it is too warm for tights and too cold to go bare.

 
I wonder if compression would have been beneficial for my last 50K as I cramped up like a mutha####er.
I popped my right calf about 10 years ago and always had problems thereafter. Compression socks evolving to calf sleeves have been like magic. I wear them for everything but swim training. As for cramping, have you tried Hammer Endurolytes? I have actually been able to "run away" bad cramps after taking them. During the 10-leg survival tri I've done, in the first year I all but locked up after the first swim going into the run. The second time I did the event, I took a preemptive dose before the swim coming off the bike and then more after and the cramping was still there a bit, but abated quick.

 
Big fan of calve sleeves, especially for recovery. They've help stave out many a calf strain for me. I was getting them regularly before I started wearing them.

 
Big fan of calve sleeves, especially for recovery. They've help stave out many a calf strain for me. I was getting them regularly before I started wearing them.
I use them solely for recovery, too. I'll sleep in them when in the peak of marathon training and my calves are extra sore. Big fan.

 
I also wear calf sleeves on most longer runs, and whenever it gets cold out here (you know, like below 40...brrrrr!).

I've read a few studies on them and their seems to be some consensus that sleeves or compression socks worn for recovery after a workout does in fact aid in said recovery. It also seems that the reduced vibration of muscle fibers due to wearing them during exercise can also assist in recovery (less muscle damage). There doesn't seem to be much evidence that they help with performance, though. That being said, if they don't hurt performance and they aid in recovery, sounds like a win to me.

I haven't tried arm sleeves, but most people I know out here that wear them do so for adjustable warmth.

As for me - got home on Tuesday night and trying to get back to normal a bit as Pops was accepted into a really intensive in-hospital rehab program. He'll be there for weeks-months, but it's the best place for him and it seems the chance that he'll eventually be back to the 80-99% range cognitively is pretty good.

Unfortunately what was already a training cycle that hadn't included any really long runs due to schedule issues (several in the 15-16 range, but nothing more) has not been helped by recent events. In fact the first Saturday I had available to get in a really good one (I had 22 planned) turned out to be the day after my dad's accident, so that 22 became a zero. Eight days to Way Too Cool 50K, and I've wavered back and forth on whether to do it but I think I will. I figure I should be able to fake my way through it, even if I'm doing a ton of walking - or even more than usual. I just don't want to come out injured as I have bigger things on my plate for later in the year, so I'll have to be in tune to that.

 
I wonder if compression would have been beneficial for my last 50K as I cramped up like a mutha####er.
I popped my right calf about 10 years ago and always had problems thereafter. Compression socks evolving to calf sleeves have been like magic. I wear them for everything but swim training. As for cramping, have you tried Hammer Endurolytes? I have actually been able to "run away" bad cramps after taking them. During the 10-leg survival tri I've done, in the first year I all but locked up after the first swim going into the run. The second time I did the event, I took a preemptive dose before the swim coming off the bike and then more after and the cramping was still there a bit, but abated quick.
Never tried them but I will definitely give it a shot :thumbup:

 
So I went for a run Weds night after a couple days off. First 4 miles were fine but then the hip flared up again. Think I'm officially done running until I see the surgeon March 12. :sadbanana:

Now on to supplemental exercise - do you guys try to match the same heart rate you get out of running? I don't know if I will be able to bike or swim since both would still possibly aggravate the area with leg extending and kicks. But my gym also has a UBE machine. Nowadays the only people I see on those are old folks, but my college coach thought they were the closest equivalent to matching the aerobic conditioning of running. So I did that thing a good amount in college and may do it now to not lose all my conditioning.

Any advice on the heart rate issue and/or supplemental exercise in the meantime?

 
Big fan of calve sleeves, especially for recovery. They've help stave out many a calf strain for me. I was getting them regularly before I started wearing them.
I use them solely for recovery, too. I'll sleep in them when in the peak of marathon training and my calves are extra sore. Big fan.
I wear compression socks for almost every run, and when doing long distance training, I'll also wear a pair around the house for recovery. (After really long runs - used to happen with bike workouts, too - my lower legs look like they're possessed ...all sorts of twitching going on.) I can't imagine racing a HM or longer without them, now!

 
So I went for a run Weds night after a couple days off. First 4 miles were fine but then the hip flared up again. Think I'm officially done running until I see the surgeon March 12. :sadbanana:

Now on to supplemental exercise - do you guys try to match the same heart rate you get out of running? I don't know if I will be able to bike or swim since both would still possibly aggravate the area with leg extending and kicks. But my gym also has a UBE machine. Nowadays the only people I see on those are old folks, but my college coach thought they were the closest equivalent to matching the aerobic conditioning of running. So I did that thing a good amount in college and may do it now to not lose all my conditioning.

Any advice on the heart rate issue and/or supplemental exercise in the meantime?
:sadbanana: Could you walk/run in a pool? You wouldn't be extending the hip very much, and the resistance would be efficient training.

 
Don't use arm sleeves, but when I ride in the cold I have used old socks.

I use calf sleeves occasionally for long runs but haven't noticed a difference. I like compression socks and calf sleeves for long drives after a long run.

 
So I went for a run Weds night after a couple days off. First 4 miles were fine but then the hip flared up again. Think I'm officially done running until I see the surgeon March 12. :sadbanana:

Now on to supplemental exercise - do you guys try to match the same heart rate you get out of running? I don't know if I will be able to bike or swim since both would still possibly aggravate the area with leg extending and kicks. But my gym also has a UBE machine. Nowadays the only people I see on those are old folks, but my college coach thought they were the closest equivalent to matching the aerobic conditioning of running. So I did that thing a good amount in college and may do it now to not lose all my conditioning.

Any advice on the heart rate issue and/or supplemental exercise in the meantime?
I used the UBE to rehab from rotator cff surgery and it is a surprisingly good aerobic workout. I would not try and match HR, but rather try and match time spent doing aerobic activity. My HR when swimming and biking is way lower than running, but based on the Garmin, my swim "burn" is higher than running over the same time frame. You can swim with little to no kick (none if you use a pull buoy). The limited kick just acts a a rudder to stay on track and keep your feet elevated. Not running is going to be a mental grind, swimming can be like mental as well as physical therapy.

 
Duck, good luck with your race. I am glad you have some things settled with pop.

Koby, that's bad news. Here's hoping your doc appointment finds better news.

I just had the results of my MRI. No sign of any issues with the hip joint itself. No tear, no impingement and no arthritis. All the inflammation is below the hip in my pubic symphysis. Official diagnosis is osteitis pubis, a fancy name for a sore groin. I am getting big doses of NSAIDS and some steroids, plus two weeks with a physical therapist. No running until after the two weeks. It's better than surgery.

 
Tell me about calve compression sleeves. Good for training or racing? What's the benefit if you've never really had lower leg problems? Is there any? Why do guys wear arm compression sleeves? If you wear em in bright colors does that mean yer a gay?
Big fan and recently completed a very limited experiment to see if there really is any value to them or if it's more of a mental thing. Similar to 2Young I pulled my calf pretty bad early last year and everyone recommend sleeves. I wore them 24/7 and I feel they did help in the recovery. Afterwards i wore them on pretty much any run longer than 3 miles and not never had problems but experienced no soreness.

Fast forward to the last month. Took a week off after the 50k and when i started back up I forgot to wear the sleeves. Figured it was a good time to see if there really was any benefit to them so I went about 2 weeks without them and sure enough, I started experiencing some soreness in my calves. Nothing debilitating but it was there where it had not been before. Started wearing the sleeves again and WA LA! Pain all gone. They work for me, wear them all the time.

 
I suspect I've been doing everything wrong for the last few years, running 2, 3 or 4 miles each time at near my maximum ability of around a 7:20 pace, four or 5 times a week ... Was getting in a rut, all this middling stuff was keeping me in shape but just wasn't giving me gains, so I. The last couple months I threw all those out in favor of focusing on two things I never really did much before:

1) went to interval training, 5 repetitions of 1/4 mile (two minute rest between intervals gets my heart rate down to 110) or 1/2 mile (4 minute rest between intervals) or 1 mile (5 minute rest) intervals, at less than 6 minute/mile pace for 1/4, 6:20 for half, and 6:45 for miles intervals. Usually doing only one of these lengths during each workout, maybe throwing in one or two of the others just for variety sake,

2) once a week long runs 70 to 80 minutes, at slower pace of 8:20 pace to 8:30, I used to hate seeing my pace drop below 8 minutes but swallowed my ego after reading about the benefits of longer slower runs, WOW am I seeing some improvement feel much stronger after a few weeks of this, I guess my body needed something different, the longer runs are becoming easier and I am going to go for more time and distance soon maybe even 10 miles, ran a 6:30 mile today and wasn't even tired, I think I can get back to 6 minute mile, not too bad for a 46 year old (47 in two days). it sure is fun being old and getting better.

The only problem I had was the first time I did quarter intervals I did them way too fast at a 5:20 pace and I killed my legs for a week, I felt physically ill and thought I ruined my legs for good. Thankfully they recovered.

 
Forgot to mention, just doing easy bike or elliptical for 30 minutes the day after intervals, I target a calorie burn of about 500 calories. This would be twice a week. If on elliptical I prefer to use arms more than legs.

 
Another week of more weight training and running and elliptical stuff.

Monday 30 minutes of Elliptical and weights.

Tuesday 5 mile run (1 mile warm up, 3 miles of hill repeats, 1 mile cool down)

Wednesday. 30 minutes of elliptical and weights (stupid mfing squats I hate you)

Thursday 4 mile run and 30 minutes of elliptical (every few weeks Im cutting back on running and hitting the elliptical as sort of a recovery for the legs without the impact on my knees and ankle)

Friday 30 minutes of elliptical and weights

Tomorrow will be an 8-9 mile run just depending on how much time I have in the morning (or when I actually get up) before my son's last basketball game of the season.

While I may not be as prepared for this half as far as higher mileage training I have done...the low mileage has been great on the joints so far.

 
spreagle - that's fantastic news! One thought: I'd suggest the hard intervals twice a week ...sounds like you're doing them more than that. But keep up the great progress!

 
Sand - Awesome. I'll put that on my list

Man, swimming sucks. I'm slower now than I was a few months ago, having taken January off. I'm overthinking my stroke / elbow bend and time of breathing. I should get a coach, but I'm cheap. Probably need to get in the pool more than 2x / week but that's tough with a marathon next month.
If you want to consider getting in on the preorder this page has the signup.

The swimming will come back quick. It's very hard to keep that up at the apex of a serious training cycle.

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Its crazy how I feel fine after running 10-15 miles but swimming for an hour knocks me on my ### for the day.

 
Its crazy how I feel fine after running 10-15 miles but swimming for an hour knocks me on my ### for the day.
Agreed, but to be honest the all over exhaustion after a hard swim is the best post workout feeling ever. Way better than after a hard bike or run.

 
Got in 15 today on the roads, forgot how much I hate running long on the roads after all the trail miles I put in but figured I better get used to it for the race next week ;) Based on the last few weeks training I'd say the white whale of under 2hrs on this course is safe for another 6 months. We'll see how it goes but I just can't sustain the pace long enough right now. We run essentially the same course in November and I'm thinking of dedicating a training cycle to getting faster and targeting this ##### so I can move on in my life (think Summer of Speed only slower). Good luck to all racing this weekend and did I miss the BnB writeup or has it not shown up yet? I've been so busy at work lately haven't had a lot of time to devote to keeping up with this thread.

 
Don't use arm sleeves, but when I ride in the cold I have used old socks.
I've done this in races before. Both times I ran Twin Cities, it was too cold at the start to just go with short sleeves, but it was supposed to warm up as I went along. Old tube socks with the toes cut out = improvised arm panties that you can ditch on the side of the road whenever you want.

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I'm supposed to 15 tomorrow. The forecast for when I would normally go out is for -12 and a 10 mph breeze. I see two hours and change on the treadmill in my future . . .

 
Ugh this winter has physically and mentally beaten me down. Couple that with a crazy work schedule and 2 baby boys and I basically haven't had any time to run. Ran about 4 at the gym today and felt like there was concrete in my legs. Gotta get off my ### tomorrow and get back to it since I have a 5k in 2 weeks. Won't even come close to a PR there but it should kick start the season for me.

 
Ugh this winter has physically and mentally beaten me down. Couple that with a crazy work schedule and 2 baby boys and I basically haven't had any time to run. Ran about 4 at the gym today and felt like there was concrete in my legs. Gotta get off my ### tomorrow and get back to it since I have a 5k in 2 weeks. Won't even come close to a PR there but it should kick start the season for me.
Well, you know, you did kinda ask for this... :P

 
Last long run before the instant classic marathon. 20.5 / 2:53, broke it into chunks. First 7 / 60 minutes HR below 148, next 4 marathon effort (~7:40), 3 easy, 4 marathon effort (~7:45), 2.5 easy.

Dont really have a goal time for the race, being a trail I've never ran on. Figure I can likely keep a 7:45 for a road race.

 
11 miles for me today - a dusting of snow overnight, and then low 20s temps with a cold north wind. Alternated easy stretches with firm 1/2 mile pushes ...by the end had done 8 half-miles at about a 7:35-7:40 pace.

 
6.5 miles today and 4 at race pace. Went 6:48, 6:41, 6:45 and 6:32. Felt a little more difficult than I had hoped. Might have to dial the expectations down for the race. On the bright side, I have a 2 hour run scheduled for the morning and I'm already looking forward to it. My legs feel great.

 
My 9 year old wanted to run, so i did an easy mile while he got ready, then we did 1.5 together. Got back and our 3 year old wanted to run, so we did 1/3 mile. Then my 5 yo wanted to run, so we did another half with the 3 yo and the dog.

Good times

 
Supposed to be long run day. About a half foot of powder down with more coming. No chance to do another one this week unless I do one at 430 am or 8 pm. Internal debate about what to do...

 
I tried to beat the incoming weather system and almost made it. Wisely decided to cut my scheduled 8 miles down to 5 (would have been smarter to cut it to 4). Made it back to within a mile of my truck when I felt the first sprinkle, and then the clouds opened up. A comfortable 50 degrees quickly changed to a miserable, soaking wet 42 and I was not dressed for it. Definitely picked up the pace that last mile! Glad to have it in before the ice gets here...

 
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Bounced back pretty strong this week...

Monday - Recovery

Tuesday - Interval running, 6 x 2 mins

Wednesday - 1.5 hr bike in zone 3-4

Thur - off

Fri - off

Sat - 6.25 mi @ 13'21", 141 avg hr, 1400 ft climb. Basically 3.25 mi up on a trail and 3 mi return road trip on road. The up was roughly 50 mins at tempo hr and 15.5 min/mi pace.

I'll get in something else today, lifted earlier.

Weather has been warm here. I'm in the mountains this weekend and at lower elevations I've been sweating. Supposed to be 66 degrees today at 2500 ft.

 
Morning boys. Been a few years. Lotta good work up in here. :thumbup:

Signed up for the Cinco De Mayo half marathon in downtown Portland. I've got 2 months to get ready. Been running on the treadmill for a week to shake off the rust. Need to step my game up, but I'm pleased to have something on the calendar, paid for and staring me right in the eyes. Looking forward to participating in your thread here a bit over the next few weeks and hopefully beyond.

 
Supposed to be long run day. About a half foot of powder down with more coming. No chance to do another one this week unless I do one at 430 am or 8 pm. Internal debate about what to do...
Decision? Running in new snow is a good workout ...little more high stepping than normal, and as new, unpacked snow, it's not slippery yet.

 
Supposed to be long run day. About a half foot of powder down with more coming. No chance to do another one this week unless I do one at 430 am or 8 pm. Internal debate about what to do...
Decision? Running in new snow is a good workout ...little more high stepping than normal, and as new, unpacked snow, it's not slippery yet.
sucked it up and did an hour ten, wife said side streets were plowed so I mainly stuck to them. Waiting for four year old to get to a break on ipad so I can map but I think I did 8 which would give me a 28 mile week :pickle:
 
After being a complete slacker yesterday I did get in a nice 70 minute 7 miler on the trails today. Hoping to get in a trainer ride tonight just to have some biking under my belt this week (besides that brute of that 20 minute power test).

 
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Morning boys. Been a few years. Lotta good work up in here. :thumbup:

Signed up for the Cinco De Mayo half marathon in downtown Portland. I've got 2 months to get ready. Been running on the treadmill for a week to shake off the rust. Need to step my game up, but I'm pleased to have something on the calendar, paid for and staring me right in the eyes. Looking forward to participating in your thread here a bit over the next few weeks and hopefully beyond.
Any particular time goals? Am I remembering correctly that you did one of these last year? Maybe that was bently.

 
tri-man 47 said:
spreagle - that's fantastic news! One thought: I'd suggest the hard intervals twice a week ...sounds like you're doing them more than that. But keep up the great progress!
Thanks tri-man, I'm doing the intervals every 4 days or so, my body can't handle much more than that. They are tough.

 
Morning boys. Been a few years. Lotta good work up in here. :thumbup:

Signed up for the Cinco De Mayo half marathon in downtown Portland. I've got 2 months to get ready. Been running on the treadmill for a week to shake off the rust. Need to step my game up, but I'm pleased to have something on the calendar, paid for and staring me right in the eyes. Looking forward to participating in your thread here a bit over the next few weeks and hopefully beyond.
Any particular time goals? Am I remembering correctly that you did one of these last year? Maybe that was bently.
June of 2011 :bag:

I'd like to break 2 hours. Seems like an attainable goal. Not too hard but its going to take some work. 2:07 was my 2011 time but I had no goals other tHan to run it without walking. This one won't be nearly as hilly.

 
Morning boys. Been a few years. Lotta good work up in here. :thumbup:

Signed up for the Cinco De Mayo half marathon in downtown Portland. I've got 2 months to get ready. Been running on the treadmill for a week to shake off the rust. Need to step my game up, but I'm pleased to have something on the calendar, paid for and staring me right in the eyes. Looking forward to participating in your thread here a bit over the next few weeks and hopefully beyond.
Any particular time goals? Am I remembering correctly that you did one of these last year? Maybe that was bently.
June of 2011 :bag:

I'd like to break 2 hours. Seems like an attainable goal. Not too hard but its going to take some work. 2:07 was my 2011 time but I had no goals other tHan to run it without walking. This one won't be nearly as hilly.
Cool. Good luck and check in as your training moves along.

 
Supposed to do 9 miles today. It was 9 degrees outside and a little windy. Had snowed last night so there was lots of snow everywhere on the side streets. I was pretty sure I wouldnt be able to do all 9 outside, but wanted to at least try. After about 3 miles I was freezing. So i stuck out another 3.2 outside. Ran inside changed clothes, hopped in the car and did 3.25 on the treadmill. My gym is only .9 miles from my house on my same street so the delay in between running was almost nothing. Figure the extra .45 miles makes up for it. It was funny dripping with sweat already after .13 miles on the treadmill.

 

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