Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

[RoarinSonoran]

What other big events are coming up? I see RustyFA will be doing Chicago. GL! Anyone else? I have my fifth and final Rockstar race on the 14th.

I might actually be getting my 2nd wind. Seems like I'm getting interested in running again. I think I just got burned out (LITERALLY, thanks to running in this heat :heatstroke: ), and couldn't see beyond the next training run. Now, I'm starting to look ahead to perhaps a Five&Dime (5k+10k) at the Phoenix NewTimes 10k (Nov), PF Chang's Marathon (Jan), Chickamauga Battlefield Marathon (11/2008), and the Goofy Challenge (1/2009). Throw some speed workouts into the mix, and if I see sufficient improvement, I'll have to consider adding Boston to the list as well.

 

[tri-man 47]

Great job guys.Bentley-I use compression shorts to keep things in place. I am 33-34 waist and I bought mediums the 1st time-mistake. The smalls are much better. Keeps things in place pretty well. I wear shorts over them but that is just a preference. I seem to run better when I have them on instead of just the compression shorts. I reccommend Body Glide. I works for me. I have had blisters on my toes and chaffing everywhere. I mean everywhere. So I use it on my toes, arches, nipples, armpits, down low region, and aft. Get it once and you will understand.Well, I ran my last long run this Saturday. 21 miles of fun loving pain. It was 31 degrees when I started and 44 when I ended so I took off one upper layer during the run. I had running pants and a sweatshirt in addition to my normal clothes. Just unseasonably cool. I have ran 18 miles a couple times before this but 21 is a whole new game,IMO. I am glad I did it because it will help me on race day. I hit the wall at 17.5 miles. Both of my hammies tightened up and it was straight guts from that point on. I had to fight mentally but I did it. I finished in 3 hours and 32 minutes. I am just afraid that that is going to be my marathon time. Somewhere just over 10 minutes a mile. Oh well.I was supposed to run Monday, Tuesday, Wed, Friday this week but a horrible cold/flu has had me staying at home from work the last 2 days. No good. Perhaps I will be able to make one of those runs up but I just feel like crap. I will make it tommorow morning but it won't be fun.So I have 2 1/2 weeks beofre the Chicago Marathon on October 7th. Hopefully I feel better soon.

Way to go, Rusty!!! Don't force any 'make-up' runs. Let your body heal from the long run you've just completed. And don't worry about your marathon time. It looks like you've positioned yourself to basically run the full marathon, so whether it's 9:45s or 10 minute miles ...meh. You've come a long way! Now enjoy the taper heading up to the race. Being healthy >>>>>>> extra shorter-length runs. You won't be doing much to improve over the remaining two and a half weeks.

 

[tri-man 47]

What other big events are coming up? I see RustyFA will be doing Chicago. GL! Anyone else? I have my fifth and final Rockstar race on the 14th.I might actually be getting my 2nd wind. Seems like I'm getting interested in running again. I think I just got burned out (LITERALLY, thanks to running in this heat :heatstroke: ), and couldn't see beyond the next training run. Now, I'm starting to look ahead to perhaps a Five&Dime (5k+10k) at the Phoenix NewTimes 10k (Nov), PF Chang's Marathon (Jan), Chickamauga Battlefield Marathon (11/2008), and the Goofy Challenge (1/2009). Throw some speed workouts into the mix, and if I see sufficient improvement, I'll have to consider adding Boston to the list as well.

Gruecd is next up with his half-marathon this weekend. SFDuck, Darrin and Dash all compete in a week and a half. Following that it's Rusty, you, then me (with other Darrin runs during October). Floppo and Righetti do NYC in early November. If I've missed anyone, apologies ..but chime in!

 

[gruecd]

Makes me feel convinced to join one of the pacing groups for the race just to keep myself honest.

I absolutely, positively, 100% recommend doing this. I think that my pace group leader had a lot to do with my Boston qualifier this past spring in Green Bay.

Your report on GreenBay put the idea into my head... thanks for that!And is your 1/2 PR time really 1:32:41?! ... ... EXACTLY the same as mine!

Yep, but it's my hope that by this time next week we'll no longer have that in common!

 

[El Floppo]

Makes me feel convinced to join one of the pacing groups for the race just to keep myself honest.

I absolutely, positively, 100% recommend doing this. I think that my pace group leader had a lot to do with my Boston qualifier this past spring in Green Bay.

Your report on GreenBay put the idea into my head... thanks for that!And is your 1/2 PR time really 1:32:41?! ... ... EXACTLY the same as mine!

Yep, but it's my hope that by this time next week we'll no longer have that in common!

I wish you the very speediest best with that! I couldn't even get within 10 minutes of that these days.

 

[gruecd]

What other big events are coming up? I see RustyFA will be doing Chicago. GL! Anyone else? I have my fifth and final Rockstar race on the 14th.

I might actually be getting my 2nd wind. Seems like I'm getting interested in running again. I think I just got burned out (LITERALLY, thanks to running in this heat :heatstroke: ), and couldn't see beyond the next training run. Now, I'm starting to look ahead to perhaps a Five&Dime (5k+10k) at the Phoenix NewTimes 10k (Nov), PF Chang's Marathon (Jan), Chickamauga Battlefield Marathon (11/2008), and the Goofy Challenge (1/2009). Throw some speed workouts into the mix, and if I see sufficient improvement, I'll have to consider adding Boston to the list as well.

Gruecd is next up with his half-marathon this weekend. SFDuck, Darrin and Dash all compete in a week and a half. Following that it's Rusty, you, then me (with other Darrin runs during October). Floppo and Righetti do NYC in early November. If I've missed anyone, apologies ..but chime in!

Indeed. Then I've got the Medtronic TC 10 Mile on October 7th in Minneapolis, a small 5K at my college alma mater's Reunion Weekend on the 20th, and the "Freaky 5K" on the 27th. As you can see, October is a very busy racing month for me.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Gruecd is next up with his half-marathon this weekend. SFDuck, Darrin and Dash all compete in a week and a half. Following that it's Rusty, you, then me (with other Darrin runs during October). Floppo and Righetti do NYC in early November. If I've missed anyone, apologies ..but chime in!

Detroit Free Press Half Marathon 10/21, and I think I'm ready. As a kid born and raised here I think it'll be amazing to be running over the Ambasdor Bridge in to Canada with the sun coming up and returning to The States under the Detroit River through the tunnel. Plus, two passes by old Tiger Stadium.

 

[2Young2BBald]

2Young, it's funny you mention the Hanson-Brooks story in Runner's World. One of their runners, Dot McMahan, was a high school classmate of mine, and she'll be running in the women's Olympic marathon trials next April in Boston. Sounds like their group is doing some good things.

Their store by me in Grosse Pointe Woods in typically manned by an older gentleman. I stopped it to get a few things after The Crim (10 Mile race) & mentioned I saw him early on in the race. He asked how I did and he was polite and complemented me on my time and then I asked how he did, he finished 3rd in the 50 to 55 yr old bracket at 1:05!!!! I think Dot had won this race on the womens side in the past. I belive firmly in shoping local at places like this and wont shop anywhere else for running stuff. The Hansons do amazing things for all levels of running here in Metro-Detroit. They are huge donators to the charity races and its rare not to see their name on anything race related. I'd love nothing more than to see their runners competing for world titles.

 

[Dash]

What other big events are coming up? I see RustyFA will be doing Chicago. GL! Anyone else? I have my fifth and final Rockstar race on the 14th.I might actually be getting my 2nd wind. Seems like I'm getting interested in running again. I think I just got burned out (LITERALLY, thanks to running in this heat :heatstroke: ), and couldn't see beyond the next training run. Now, I'm starting to look ahead to perhaps a Five&Dime (5k+10k) at the Phoenix NewTimes 10k (Nov), PF Chang's Marathon (Jan), Chickamauga Battlefield Marathon (11/2008), and the Goofy Challenge (1/2009). Throw some speed workouts into the mix, and if I see sufficient improvement, I'll have to consider adding Boston to the list as well.

Gruecd is next up with his half-marathon this weekend. SFDuck, Darrin and Dash all compete in a week and a half. Following that it's Rusty, you, then me (with other Darrin runs during October). Floppo and Righetti do NYC in early November. If I've missed anyone, apologies ..but chime in!

Mine isn't a competition, though it may become that if the wife of the guy I'm supposed to ride with hears that we're going to take at least 5:45 to complete the ride... Training Update: Due to unexpected delays, Sunday turned into a second day off (Sat was the planned one). I increased the effort Monday because of that, keeping my "at pace" in Spin class higher than normal (except in the full recovery portion). It was a leg burner of a workout. Yesterday was a quick 18 miles to the park and back. My speed is slowly creeping higher as I'm now regularly hitting 18+ mph solo for better than an hour of riding when I concentrate on speed, but don't kill myself -- not the speed of the other cyclists in here, but I'm happy to see improvements. The thing I'm happiest about is a stretch of flat that I would press to 23mph+ and have my HR at 175+ (remember my max is about 205), now I go the same speed and my HR falls to around 154-158 (a pace I can keep all day).

 

[tri-man 47]

Detroit Free Press Half Marathon 10/21, and I think I'm ready. As a kid born and raised here I think it'll be amazing to be running over the Ambasdor Bridge in to Canada with the sun coming up and returning to The States under the Detroit River through the tunnel. Plus, two passes by old Tiger Stadium.

I grew up in Grand Rapids, and have fond memories of the old Tiger Stadium! (If you know your Tiger history ('68) ...Mickey Stanley used to date our next-door neighbor and help her baby-sit me and my siblings.) That'll be an interesting race over the bridge and back through the tunnel.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Detroit Free Press Half Marathon 10/21, and I think I'm ready. As a kid born and raised here I think it'll be amazing to be running over the Ambasdor Bridge in to Canada with the sun coming up and returning to The States under the Detroit River through the tunnel. Plus, two passes by old Tiger Stadium.

I grew up in Grand Rapids, and have fond memories of the old Tiger Stadium! (If you know your Tiger history ('68) ...Mickey Stanley used to date our next-door neighbor and help her baby-sit me and my siblings.) That'll be an interesting race over the bridge and back through the tunnel.

I was only a few days old in 1968 so those memories are a little foggy, but 1984 was huge for me. Ritchie Hebner did some local TV ads for a buddy of my Dad's who was a car dealer over here. I'd get a call about 45 minutes before game time that we could go to will call and get tickets. They'd be shot up from the clubhouse in those old school bank type tubes. I must have been at 30+ games that year! I just bought 2 stadium seats from there this weekend as they are selling them off prior to tearing it down.Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

 

[tri-man 47]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

You are the epitome of class. Well-played. You turned a day that could have been just another race for both of you, into a pretty special time, with great memories to boot.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Speaking of Detroit, howzabout them Shock getting by the Phoenix Mercury?



Well, yeah, I don't care about the WNBA either.

 

[Sid]

OK, I just finished run #2 of week 6, which is run 10 min, walk 3, run 10. The one problem I'm having is an intense pain in the upper right portion of my "gut", or just under the outside of my lowest right rib. It occured around the 7-8 minute mark of each 10 minute run, and it also occured last Saturday during my 20 minute "marathon" for quite a few minutes. It's the kind of pain that makes you want to double over. I found that pressing hard against that point helps keep the pain managable, but it's still there. Anyone know what it is, or how best to prevent/manage it? Remember 5 1/2 weeks ago my idea of running was 7-8 steps during a volleyball game or something..

Edit to add: special TYVM to Furley for keeping me motivated..

 

[El Floppo]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

Alright... now you're just making stuff up. What'll be next time- you cured cancer while adopting a village of African orphans on a marathon training trip?

 

[tri-man 47]

Sorry - not looking for props ...just sharing an interesting story from the GR race!

4 miles this morning: one mile loops with increasing speed each quarter mile. Felt OK after the big weekend run.

 

[El Floppo]

Sorry - not looking for props ...just sharing an interesting story from the GR race!4 miles this morning: one mile loops with increasing speed each quarter mile. Felt OK after the big weekend run.

sorry- gb... I actually love hearing the old war stories. And you very much deserve the props... 4 miles myself. Rescued a puppy that had fallen down a well and still did neg splits. A little tired in the HR and legs, but all-in-all, also ok after the big weekend run.

 

[El Floppo]

OK, I just finished run #2 of week 6, which is run 10 min, walk 3, run 10. The one problem I'm having is an intense pain in the upper right portion of my "gut", or just under the outside of my lowest right rib. It occured around the 7-8 minute mark of each 10 minute run, and it also occured last Saturday during my 20 minute "marathon" for quite a few minutes. It's the kind of pain that makes you want to double over. I found that pressing hard against that point helps keep the pain managable, but it's still there. Anyone know what it is, or how best to prevent/manage it? Remember 5 1/2 weeks ago my idea of running was 7-8 steps during a volleyball game or something.. Edit to add: special TYVM to Furley for keeping me motivated..

Great work so far!The pain's gotta be a cramp, don't you think? I remember being taught to "breathe" into the cramp... ie, concentrating on your breathing is supposed to help oxygenate the area or some nonsense like that. ... ... I got nothing ... didn't somebody else pinch the opposite ear of the cramp while running and say that worked?

 

[mr. furley]

OK, I just finished run #2 of week 6, which is run 10 min, walk 3, run 10. The one problem I'm having is an intense pain in the upper right portion of my "gut", or just under the outside of my lowest right rib. It occured around the 7-8 minute mark of each 10 minute run, and it also occured last Saturday during my 20 minute "marathon" for quite a few minutes. It's the kind of pain that makes you want to double over. I found that pressing hard against that point helps keep the pain managable, but it's still there. Anyone know what it is, or how best to prevent/manage it? Remember 5 1/2 weeks ago my idea of running was 7-8 steps during a volleyball game or something.. Edit to add: special TYVM to Furley for keeping me motivated..

what are you eating before running?i find if i have a bigger lunch before running (4 hours or so before running) or if i drink too much in the afternoon... that i get that sharp pain too. had it a little this afternoon but i drank a couple big gulps of water before taking off.

 

[Darrinll40]

I did 5 miles today in 47:52. First time I ran since my toe injury in Sunday. I did 6 or 7 pickups during the run. It hurt a bit, but not enough to discourage me. My next run is not until Saturday and the toe should feel even better then. I am still planning to run the 5K in a week and a half. Hopefully all the pain will be gone so that I can turn in a decent time.

I haven't been running enough to have a lot of interesting race stories. But did I mentin the 23 year old young lady I happened to follow during the entire 4 miler last weekend?

 

[Darrinll40]

OK, I just finished run #2 of week 6, which is run 10 min, walk 3, run 10. The one problem I'm having is an intense pain in the upper right portion of my "gut", or just under the outside of my lowest right rib. It occured around the 7-8 minute mark of each 10 minute run, and it also occured last Saturday during my 20 minute "marathon" for quite a few minutes. It's the kind of pain that makes you want to double over. I found that pressing hard against that point helps keep the pain managable, but it's still there. Anyone know what it is, or how best to prevent/manage it? Remember 5 1/2 weeks ago my idea of running was 7-8 steps during a volleyball game or something.. Edit to add: special TYVM to Furley for keeping me motivated..

what are you eating before running?i find if i have a bigger lunch before running (4 hours or so before running) or if i drink too much in the afternoon... that i get that sharp pain too. had it a little this afternoon but i drank a couple big gulps of water before taking off.

I usually have a Clif bar before running. I don't know if it helps, I just like the taste.

 

[mr. furley]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

Alright... now you're just making stuff up. What'll be next time- you cured cancer while adopting a village of African orphans on a marathon training trip?

he actually did that in Green Bay they were Oneida kids and the village is actually Shawano.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Got my normal 5k run in yesterday, definitely felt the effects of my first 7 miler on Sunday, legs were pretty heavy but finished in 29:45 which is pretty much in the range of my normal pace.

Planning another 7+ miler this weekend. Between my Ducks in town to face Stanford on Saturday and my daughter's bday party on Sunday I'm not sure when I'll squeeze it in, but I will.

I assume with the distances I'm running I don't have to worry about any sort of taper next week prior to my race? I figured I'd just run my normal Tues-Thurs 5k at a pretty easy pace, any reason not to?

 

[Darrinll40]

I just found out that the gov't is spending some money in my county to create trails from old rail beds. We will have over 50 miles in the future.

Link

The site includes a link to a map. Maybe one day they can have actual races on these trails.

 

[El Floppo]

I just found out that the gov't is spending some money in my county to create trails from old rail beds. We will have over 50 miles in the future.

Link

The site includes a link to a map. Maybe one day they can have actual races on these trails.

Rails to Trails is an awesome program. The trails are great for running- although because the grade always has to be something like 2% max, you won't find them very challenging- but they'll often go in beautiful areas (or through industrial areas)

 

[El Floppo]

Got my normal 5k run in yesterday, definitely felt the effects of my first 7 miler on Sunday, legs were pretty heavy but finished in 29:45 which is pretty much in the range of my normal pace.Planning another 7+ miler this weekend. Between my Ducks in town to face Stanford on Saturday and my daughter's bday party on Sunday I'm not sure when I'll squeeze it in, but I will. I assume with the distances I'm running I don't have to worry about any sort of taper next week prior to my race? I figured I'd just run my normal Tues-Thurs 5k at a pretty easy pace, any reason not to?

I would take whatever run you normally have at the end of the week before the race very, very easy- like slow-motion easy. And add a few pickups (start them slow and build into them).Go Cardinal! (my bro went there with Elway)...

 

[El Floppo]

OK, I just finished run #2 of week 6, which is run 10 min, walk 3, run 10. The one problem I'm having is an intense pain in the upper right portion of my "gut", or just under the outside of my lowest right rib. It occured around the 7-8 minute mark of each 10 minute run, and it also occured last Saturday during my 20 minute "marathon" for quite a few minutes. It's the kind of pain that makes you want to double over. I found that pressing hard against that point helps keep the pain managable, but it's still there. Anyone know what it is, or how best to prevent/manage it? Remember 5 1/2 weeks ago my idea of running was 7-8 steps during a volleyball game or something.. Edit to add: special TYVM to Furley for keeping me motivated..

what are you eating before running?i find if i have a bigger lunch before running (4 hours or so before running) or if i drink too much in the afternoon... that i get that sharp pain too. had it a little this afternoon but i drank a couple big gulps of water before taking off.

Good call, Furley.

 

[2Young2BBald]

OK, I just finished run #2 of week 6, which is run 10 min, walk 3, run 10. The one problem I'm having is an intense pain in the upper right portion of my "gut", or just under the outside of my lowest right rib. It occured around the 7-8 minute mark of each 10 minute run, and it also occured last Saturday during my 20 minute "marathon" for quite a few minutes. It's the kind of pain that makes you want to double over. I found that pressing hard against that point helps keep the pain managable, but it's still there. Anyone know what it is, or how best to prevent/manage it? Remember 5 1/2 weeks ago my idea of running was 7-8 steps during a volleyball game or something.. Edit to add: special TYVM to Furley for keeping me motivated.. :(

Great work so far!The pain's gotta be a cramp, don't you think? I remember being taught to "breathe" into the cramp... ie, concentrating on your breathing is supposed to help oxygenate the area or some nonsense like that. ... ... I got nothing ... didn't somebody else pinch the opposite ear of the cramp while running and say that worked?

It was me, but I have no idea what it is rooted in. It used to work back in football 2 a days, but that was years ago. I really don't cramp much no matter what I do. But, I get the breathe through the cramp. If I do cramp a bit, it works for me to do breaths through my nose and out the mouth. Wasn't there a don't breathe on your right foot down thing too as it squished your liver? I tried to think about my breathing and it screwed me up, big.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I just found out that the gov't is spending some money in my county to create trails from old rail beds. We will have over 50 miles in the future.

Link

The site includes a link to a map. Maybe one day they can have actual races on these trails.

Rails to Trails is an awesome program. The trails are great for running- although because the grade always has to be something like 2% max, you won't find them very challenging- but they'll often go in beautiful areas (or through industrial areas)

Just did one of these though Bloomington, IL. The path was a little thin when you added bikes and runners in both directions, but I loved where it wound around. It reminded me of the forest preserve paths when my wife and I first lived in the burbs north of Chicago. Detroit just got done taking back parts of thier water front. I have yet to run it, but lok forward to doing it soon.

 

[SteveUK]

I just found out that the gov't is spending some money in my county to create trails from old rail beds. We will have over 50 miles in the future.

Link

The site includes a link to a map. Maybe one day they can have actual races on these trails.

Rails to Trails is an awesome program. The trails are great for running- although because the grade always has to be something like 2% max, you won't find them very challenging- but they'll often go in beautiful areas (or through industrial areas)

I'm guessing you haven't spent much time in FL! The entire state is not very challenging 2% grade qualifies as a hill in these parts!

 

[El Floppo]

I just found out that the gov't is spending some money in my county to create trails from old rail beds. We will have over 50 miles in the future.

Link

The site includes a link to a map. Maybe one day they can have actual races on these trails.

Rails to Trails is an awesome program. The trails are great for running- although because the grade always has to be something like 2% max, you won't find them very challenging- but they'll often go in beautiful areas (or through industrial areas)

I'm guessing you haven't spent much time in FL! The entire state is not very challenging 2% grade qualifies as a hill in these parts!

My first 1/2 IM was in FL- Panama City Beach... you're not kidding! Our bikes have aero-bars- usually you're only in them for a stretch at a time, but down there I'd have to remind myself to get out of them on occasion and stretch out- pure pancake!

 

[RustyFA]

Great job guys.Bentley-I use compression shorts to keep things in place. I am 33-34 waist and I bought mediums the 1st time-mistake. The smalls are much better. Keeps things in place pretty well. I wear shorts over them but that is just a preference. I seem to run better when I have them on instead of just the compression shorts. I reccommend Body Glide. I works for me. I have had blisters on my toes and chaffing everywhere. I mean everywhere. So I use it on my toes, arches, nipples, armpits, down low region, and aft. Get it once and you will understand.Well, I ran my last long run this Saturday. 21 miles of fun loving pain. It was 31 degrees when I started and 44 when I ended so I took off one upper layer during the run. I had running pants and a sweatshirt in addition to my normal clothes. Just unseasonably cool. I have ran 18 miles a couple times before this but 21 is a whole new game,IMO. I am glad I did it because it will help me on race day. I hit the wall at 17.5 miles. Both of my hammies tightened up and it was straight guts from that point on. I had to fight mentally but I did it. I finished in 3 hours and 32 minutes. I am just afraid that that is going to be my marathon time. Somewhere just over 10 minutes a mile. Oh well.I was supposed to run Monday, Tuesday, Wed, Friday this week but a horrible cold/flu has had me staying at home from work the last 2 days. No good. Perhaps I will be able to make one of those runs up but I just feel like crap. I will make it tommorow morning but it won't be fun.So I have 2 1/2 weeks beofre the Chicago Marathon on October 7th. Hopefully I feel better soon.

Way to go, Rusty!!! Don't force any 'make-up' runs. Let your body heal from the long run you've just completed. And don't worry about your marathon time. It looks like you've positioned yourself to basically run the full marathon, so whether it's 9:45s or 10 minute miles ...meh. You've come a long way! Now enjoy the taper heading up to the race. Being healthy >>>>>>> extra shorter-length runs. You won't be doing much to improve over the remaining two and a half weeks.

Thanks tri! I really have appreciated all the great advice. Today I went out for an 8 miler with 2 of the other guys I run with. All 3 of us sick with the same thing. We made it 4 before hanging it up. Seriously this is some nasty stuff. Hopefully by next week we are healthy.

 

[tri-man 47]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

Alright... now you're just making stuff up. What'll be next time- you cured cancer while adopting a village of African orphans on a marathon training trip?

he actually did that in Green Bay they were Oneida kids and the village is actually Shawano.

...had to do somethin' while waiting for furley to finish.

 

[El Floppo]

A question for anybody else on a marathon training program...

I've been piggy-backing onto Righetti's long-run schedule for NYC, but I just noticed there's just one more 20m run- no runs longer than that. Should I try and make that a 22 or 23 mile run? Or is the planned 20m enough? IIRC, the longest I ran in training for my IM was 15 or 16...

 

[El Floppo]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

Alright... now you're just making stuff up. What'll be next time- you cured cancer while adopting a village of African orphans on a marathon training trip?

he actually did that in Green Bay they were Oneida kids and the village is actually Shawano.

...had to do somethin' while waiting for furley to finish.

Oh snap.

 

[RustyFA]

Sid, sounds like just a side stitch. It will go away.

El Floppo-This is my first one so I am pure novice but we kicked one of our 16's up to a 18 and one 18 up to a 21 so we could get over 20. Many marathon runners told us 18 wasn't enough and we needed to break 20 to hit the wall. Luckily I hit it at 17.5.

 

[El Floppo]

Sid, sounds like just a side stitch. It will go away.El Floppo-This is my first one so I am pure novice but we kicked one of our 16's up to a 18 and one 18 up to a 21 so we could get over 20. Many marathon runners told us 18 wasn't enough and we needed to break 20 to hit the wall. Luckily I hit it at 17.5.

Thanks Rusty- you feeling ready?Looks like we have two 20s. Just not sure if it's enough, or if the extra few miles will help or hurt the cause... and walls depending on what day it is, mine is sometimes about 8 miles in.

 

[bentley]

So, how long do these running shorts last? Once I wear the basketball shorts about twice, they can stand up on their own. I'd hate to have to buy six pairs of running shorts to make it through the week.

 

[El Floppo]

So, how long do these running shorts last? Once I wear the basketball shorts about twice, they can stand up on their own. I'd hate to have to buy six pairs of running shorts to make it through the week.

Considering there's a jock involved, you're not going to want to wear them more than once... or twice .. between washings. You do foresee washing them, right?I only run 2 or 3 times a week though- so it's never been a problem.

 

[El Floppo]

So, how long do these running shorts last? Once I wear the basketball shorts about twice, they can stand up on their own. I'd hate to have to buy six pairs of running shorts to make it through the week.

Considering there's a jock involved, you're not going to want to wear them more than once... or twice .. between washings. You do foresee washing them, right?I only run 2 or 3 times a week though- so it's never been a problem.

I guess. I'm shooting for 2 pairs I can wear 3 times a week or 3 pair I can wear twice. I guess that's better than throwing on a pair of compression shorts six times a week.

You're running 6 times a week? whoa.

 

[bentley]

Rock> That was a terrible, whiskey-induced idea. I deleted mine.

 

[bentley]

So, how long do these running shorts last? Once I wear the basketball shorts about twice, they can stand up on their own. I'd hate to have to buy six pairs of running shorts to make it through the week.

Considering there's a jock involved, you're not going to want to wear them more than once... or twice .. between washings. You do foresee washing them, right?I only run 2 or 3 times a week though- so it's never been a problem.

I guess. I'm shooting for 2 pairs I can wear 3 times a week or 3 pair I can wear twice. I guess that's better than throwing on a pair of compression shorts six times a week.

You're running 6 times a week? whoa.

Is that a bad idea?

 

[Sid]

Thanks for the advice, folks. I'll try the breathe in through nose, out through mouth idea. Mayb throw in pinching the left ear, it sure won't hurt..

 

[mr. furley]

Have you run the GR 25K River Run in the past, or are you in the future? My wife and I were thinking about it, but likely wont in '08 as we are running a 1/2 marathon in Indy the week before.

I did that 25K (15.5 miles) a couple of times, though it was a good twenty years ago. It's a nice run down and out along the river. Good story: One year, I noticed a few blind runners at the start with their guides at their sides (I think they got started before the masses). About 10-11 miles into the race (and having a rather lousy day), I came across one of the runners, but without his guide. I asked if he needed help, and he said he told his guide to run ahead since he was getting ready to just walk it in (he did have just a bit of tunnel vision to see his way). I told him - no way, no walking ...let's do this together. So we ran (slowly) together over the final few miles. As we got into the downtown area, all sorts of people were cheering him on - "Go, Tony!" Over the final 1/2 mile with a lot of turns and noise, he instinctively placed his hand on my arm to help guide him in. (And yes, I let him step across the line before me ). As I then met his family and chatted briefly, he explained that the GR Press had done an article on him a couple days before, which is why so many people recognized him. Given that, I was glad that we were able to struggle on to the finish together without walking.

Alright... now you're just making stuff up. What'll be next time- you cured cancer while adopting a village of African orphans on a marathon training trip?

he actually did that in Green Bay they were Oneida kids and the village is actually Shawano.

...had to do somethin' while waiting for furley to finish.

 

[mr. furley]

Thanks for the advice, folks. I'll try the breathe in through nose, out through mouth idea. Mayb throw in pinching the left ear, it sure won't hurt..

every time i try to concentrate on breathing it throws me all outta whack. my breathing gets thrown off.. my rhythm gets disjointed... i end up worse off than if i just relax and forget about it. zone out and just run.

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Rock> That was a terrible, whiskey-induced idea. I deleted mine.

 

[El Floppo]

So, how long do these running shorts last? Once I wear the basketball shorts about twice, they can stand up on their own. I'd hate to have to buy six pairs of running shorts to make it through the week.

Considering there's a jock involved, you're not going to want to wear them more than once... or twice .. between washings. You do foresee washing them, right?I only run 2 or 3 times a week though- so it's never been a problem.

I guess. I'm shooting for 2 pairs I can wear 3 times a week or 3 pair I can wear twice. I guess that's better than throwing on a pair of compression shorts six times a week.

You're running 6 times a week? whoa.

Is that a bad idea?

Mebbe I'm ust old, but I'd fall apart without getting a recovery day after each run. (even if that "recovery" is actually spent doing something else like biking or swimming).

 

[tri-man 47]

20 mile runs - These runs are important, I've found in somewhat limited experience. Pushing it longer might be helpful, but could be a risk for pushing it too hard and becoming detrimental. Individual results may vary. I suppose if taken slowly, a couple extra miles would be a good learning experience. But I find the need for fluids really starts to kick in over the latter miles, and it's hard to have enough available just on a training run. All in all, I'm not sure the risk/return justifies pushing beyond 20.

6 runs a week - I've got no problem with that, if following the logic that no more than two workouts a week should be 'breakout' workouts. 3 or 4 runs with some cross-training seems better to me, but if 6 feels OK, well, then, OK.

Shorts - mine last a long time (years). I typically rinse them out after each workout and wash them thoroughly on a regular basis, but they do last a long time. And I have a strong preference for compression shorts, FWIW.

 

[El Floppo]

20 mile runs - These runs are important, I've found in somewhat limited experience. Pushing it longer might be helpful, but could be a risk for pushing it too hard and becoming detrimental. Individual results may vary. I suppose if taken slowly, a couple extra miles would be a good learning experience. But I find the need for fluids really starts to kick in over the latter miles, and it's hard to have enough available just on a training run. All in all, I'm not sure the risk/return justifies pushing beyond 20.6 runs a week - I've got no problem with that, if following the logic that no more than two workouts a week should be 'breakout' workouts. 3 or 4 runs with some cross-training seems better to me, but if 6 feels OK, well, then, OK.Shorts - mine last a long time (years). I typically rinse them out after each workout and wash them thoroughly on a regular basis, but they do last a long time. And I have a strong preference for compression shorts, FWIW.

20m- I'm covered in the liquid dept. for adding a couple of miles (as long as it's before NYC Parks and Rec shuts off the water fountains for winter). Not sure how the body will do- although I don't think an extra couple of miles would've killed me the other day. I kind of like the idea as put forward by Rusty and his pals of breaking through that 20m barrier- if just for the psychological benefit. I'll take 1/2 mile splits just for you, t-man! So, for now, I'm going to do 22 miles not this, but the following weekend.6 runs- Righetti is following the NYRR marathon traiing schedule (I think), and they have him going 5 or 6 days a week. Those are FAR wiser folk than me concerning these matters. I'm just made up of outdated O-rings and heat-tiles on the belly... things start breaking up on me if I do too much of one thing.