mr. furley
Footballguy
yeah, but what about coyotes, or gila monsters or whatever the #### deadly animal lives in the desert
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Nigel
Footballguy
@Juxtatarot I'll be in Downers Grove for a few days end of April for work, can't join you for a run but will buy you a beer if you're around.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Sure! Let me know which day when the time comes nearer. Let's invite some other folks too: @tri-man 47 @Brony They aren't tooo far away.
New shoes coming today!!! All in size 14 to accommodate feet swelling.
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/Saucony_Triumph_ISO_3_Mens_Shoes_Marl_Black/descpage-STR3M4.html This maybe the most comfortable shoe I've ever put on. The local store didn't have a 14. Really looking forward to trying this one out.
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/HOKA_ONE_ONE_Challenger_ATR_2/descpage-HOCH2M1.html I've been a Hoka guy for a few years. Problem is that the high ankle digs in and it feels like someone has taken a hammer to my ankle on looooooong runs. Plan is to switch to this shoe late when I'm likely just running/jogging the downhills.
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/Saucony_Triumph_ISO_3_Mens_Shoes_Marl_Black/descpage-STR3M4.html This maybe the most comfortable shoe I've ever put on. The local store didn't have a 14. Really looking forward to trying this one out.
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/HOKA_ONE_ONE_Challenger_ATR_2/descpage-HOCH2M1.html I've been a Hoka guy for a few years. Problem is that the high ankle digs in and it feels like someone has taken a hammer to my ankle on looooooong runs. Plan is to switch to this shoe late when I'm likely just running/jogging the downhills.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
Those look interesting. Getting another pair of Brooks Glycerin 14s today as my one pair is trashed. They have way fewer miles on them, but the tread is separating along the edges around the heel and other places. I think these came defective from the factory. Other 2 pairs I have show no issues whatsoever with lots of miles. Love the shoes, but hate this pair. To the garbage!!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yeah, I had a similar problem with Hokas. I liked them but was tired of all the ankle blood.
I can deal with it on the road or level trails, but the off camber stuff is a death sentence. I'm not sure why they haven't addressed this. Maybe it's only an issue for people with fat ankles.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Always been interested in them, but never tried a pair. Went from Asics GEL-Nimbus to Brooks Glycerin and feel like I found my shoe.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Being a bigger guy, I think I wore out the Asics quickly (or they do that for everyone). They got stretched out wide and felt like my feet were moving around in them way too much. I was going through a pair every 4 months or so.That's exactly the transition I made in road shoes. Seems a good one thus far.
The Brooks Glycerin feel tight and stay that way after many miles (even my spare pair I keep in the car from early last year). Other than the one bad pair, these shoes rock.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Interesting, I've been a Hoka guy for years but never had that problem. I loved the Challenger 1s and wore those pretty much all year last year and for all of Cascade Crest, but I bought a pair of the Challenger 3s in January and they built up the ankle and tongue so much that they feel tight, and they do apparently size not quite true to size anymore so the 12 1/2 I've always worn was snug in the forefoot. On top of that, the uppers of both pairs started disintegrating shy of 250 miles, pretty disappointing.
Still loving the Altras so far - the Lone Peak 3s have been great (265 miles in), and I'm only 60 miles into the Olympus 2.0s (their maximal cushioned version), but loving them so far.
I looked hard at the Altras due to the calluses and blisters I get. I will be getting a pair in the future, but felt like attempting 50 miles fat and untrained was a bad enough idea without transitioning to a zero drop on race day.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I gave this a quick like the other day, but felt you deserved a bigger kudos than that. This is freaking awesome.
Nice work.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Good idea. Hokas are only 4mm drop, so it wasn't too much of a transition for me. But I still only wore Altras once a week at first, then twice, then every other run, and just the past couple of weeks have been wearing them on almost every run.
But I do love the shape of the toe box - I think they'll serve me well as my feet swell 20-24-28 hours into a race. I talked to the owner of the shoe shop, and we theorized that one of the reasons the Challenger 3s feel tight to me is that my feet are getting used to the Altras.
Nigel
Footballguy
Cool, will be there 4/24 - 27, not sure yet what my evening obligations will be but should have some free time.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I like my saucony isos although I think have an earlier model, good choice.
New fave for road is the new balance zante. Great lightweight shoe, comfortable and I feel faster when I put them on.
Alla lone peak 2.0 are easily the best shoes ever made. Haven't tried the 3
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Well the new shoes felt great on the feet but the legs were heavy and I couldn't find my knees straps and we hit the 70's today. Maybe I should have run outside this training cycle. 5 miles at a slog pace of 12 min/mi. Had to walk numerous times. Not the final run that I wanted to have. Maybe I'm used to the bounce of the Hokas, maybe I just over trained (relatively speaking) at the moment.
JShare87
Footballguy
Having some issues with both Achilles. The right one hurts so bad I'm in pain just walking. This has been going on for about 2 weeks now. I have mostly ignored it and continued to train. My 7 miler today turned into a 3 because the pain was too much. I know some have struggled with this before. Any suggestions? I am going to take a 2 day break from running and have been icing/stretching every night. I think it may be my shoes. I started running in Ultraboosts and the heel cushioning is pretty extreme. Could that be the cause of it? I used to run in Nike frees (huge diffence I know). But I have been running in the ultraboosts for about 2 months and it just started happening. Any advice from the local gurus is always appreciated.
JShare87
Footballguy
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
An issue in the achilles is likely caused by an imbalance, weakness, or tightness somewhere else. Most commonly, it's in the calves causing pulling on the tendon, but it could be all the way up the kinetic chain to the hips or glutes. A change in shoes and/or a ramp up in volume/intensity is going to expose any issues you have.
Start by working your calves, looking for knots or tight spots. If you find some, use a massage stick, splurge for my favorite the Roll Recovery, or spend $3 on a lacrosse ball and roll any tight spots across it.
Once you can do so without too much pain the go-to for achilles bulletproofing is eccentric calf raises, or heel drops.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I would recommend going to see a PT that works with a lot of runners. You could probably use some trigger point therapy but mostly you just need to get advice from a professional. More than likely you've just too much too soon.
Ned
Footballguy
This.
Stop ignoring it and trying to power through - it won't work.
I've been on the shelf since Dec and still not 100% because I did just that.
Race will be providing updates (link is below). My plan is to do the 50 mile option and then get my final weigh-in for the Fatballguy challenge. If I'm feeling good, I'll continue on.
I'm bib 215
http://www.umstead100.org/notifications.html
I'm bib 215
http://www.umstead100.org/notifications.html
mr. furley
Footballguy
rant 
don't read. i just needed to type it out. not injury or accident related.
don't read. i just needed to type it out. not injury or accident related. a while back, heavier fella that i know, coming off a string of major injuries (broken back, major concussion, among others) decided that he was going to run to get back in shape. it had been 20 years since he had done any exercise. he ate like 3 adult men. periodically he would lose weight by gorging on amphetamines (or coke, sometimes both) and brag about how easy it was to lose weight when he wanted to.
he came to me one day and asked what my normal running routine was for a week. nothing special i said.. 3-4 days a week. varying mileage and terrain depending on what i have time for. nothing wacky. nice reasonable pace. no marathons, nothing super intense.
oh, he chuckled, i thought you were running.
he had just come from a doctor's appointment at which his doctor said "your lifestyle is unsustainable. you've got to start losing weight. now. get in the pool, get on a treadmill and walk 30 minutes a day.. but do something."
he told me that, since he had run track in HS, he was going to go out that night and run for an hour or so... go from there. he asked what my pace was normally. i told him. he laughed and said "i'll probably run 7:30 miles or so. that's what i did in HS (20+ years ago)".
the following morning as he limped past my desk i had to stop and ask how it went. "i ran for about 20 seconds and it felt like my lungs were going to explode. my whole body was on fire and my head was pounding. i had to stop and walk for 5 minutes. then i tried to run again but my legs were killing me so i just walked back home."
take it easy, i advised. maybe just some long walks for a while to get your stamina up. then try a program that mixes walking with running to get you going.
well, he turned down that advice and decided to bike instead. 30 minutes at a time... 1-2 days a week. that lasted for a month or so.
fast forward a couple years, mix in a back surgery, some wild weight fluctuation as he "dieted" and things are pretty much back to where they were.
stopped by my office last night and asked what i knew about HIIT. nothing, i said. only people i know who seriously do it are men & women who have made exercise and being in shape a life. at least those that sustain it over a long period of time. sure there are the "i'm joining a gym!" people that get overwhelmed by it and quit in a few weeks/months because it's unsustainable to jump right in to something like that from zero for most people. but beyond that i only know the basics.
oh, he says, i'm going to start doing some HIIT program to lose this weight.
eaaaaaaaaaaaasy, big fella, i say. are you sure that's a good idea? last time you tried exercising you nearly had a heart attack after a minute. you sure you want to jump right in to something intense? as a quick weight loss idea there are probably safer ways.
he laughed and told me "i'm in a lot better shape now since i've been going to the gym the last couple months"
oh, really? i had no idea. what are you doing? are you on the treadmill? running at all? swimming?
no, he laughed, i don't need to do cardio. i've been doing squats and benching. he figured that gave him the necessary stamina to jump right in to some crossfit-type workout and it won't be a problem for him.
oooooooooook
he asked how long it took me to lose weight. i answered honestly that it took me years. i had been running regularly for 3-4 years without losing any weight. got frustrated and decided that i had to do something about my diet. once i cut out soda, pared back my portions and stopped eating fast food twice a day the weight started to come off. but don't take my anecdotal advice, talk to other people and read up on it. i've always heard "can't out-run a bad diet" and in my experience that has been true. not sure if that's the case for everybody but it's what worked for me.
eat less, he chortled, ha. that's not how you lose weight. after all he had lost "30 lbs by riding my bike 3 days a week for like a few miles at a time in like 2 months". left unsaid "while burning through coke, hammering speed pills by the fistful, and downing 4-5 Monster energy drinks per day" (i only know this because he told me).
hey, you asked. i'm just telling you what worked for me. YMMV. the only way i've been able to lose and keep weight off is by modifying my diet. doesn't mean eating only salad and granola but it means not eating 2 meals at lunch, a whole Domino's pizza for dinner, half a cake to wash it down and a 12 pack of beer before bed.
what the hell do i know. i'm not a doctor. diet has nothing to do with weight loss, apparently. curls and squats are sufficient for the metabolism. just bulk up muscle 45 minutes at a time a couple days a week and get fit!
i'm not one to mock people for trying. i think it's awesome when someone starts on the path and i hope they find a sustainable way to a feeling better (physically, mentally, emotionally, whatever) but i just cannot stand the willful ignorance and "i know better than you" attitude. don't ask for advice and then tell me why you know better and are going to do it your way. if you already know, then keep your head down and do it. prove it. then i'll ask you for advice one day. otherwise, shut the #### up.
he came to me one day and asked what my normal running routine was for a week. nothing special i said.. 3-4 days a week. varying mileage and terrain depending on what i have time for. nothing wacky. nice reasonable pace. no marathons, nothing super intense.
oh, he chuckled, i thought you were running.
he had just come from a doctor's appointment at which his doctor said "your lifestyle is unsustainable. you've got to start losing weight. now. get in the pool, get on a treadmill and walk 30 minutes a day.. but do something."
he told me that, since he had run track in HS, he was going to go out that night and run for an hour or so... go from there. he asked what my pace was normally. i told him. he laughed and said "i'll probably run 7:30 miles or so. that's what i did in HS (20+ years ago)".
the following morning as he limped past my desk i had to stop and ask how it went. "i ran for about 20 seconds and it felt like my lungs were going to explode. my whole body was on fire and my head was pounding. i had to stop and walk for 5 minutes. then i tried to run again but my legs were killing me so i just walked back home."
take it easy, i advised. maybe just some long walks for a while to get your stamina up. then try a program that mixes walking with running to get you going.
well, he turned down that advice and decided to bike instead. 30 minutes at a time... 1-2 days a week. that lasted for a month or so.
fast forward a couple years, mix in a back surgery, some wild weight fluctuation as he "dieted" and things are pretty much back to where they were.
stopped by my office last night and asked what i knew about HIIT. nothing, i said. only people i know who seriously do it are men & women who have made exercise and being in shape a life. at least those that sustain it over a long period of time. sure there are the "i'm joining a gym!" people that get overwhelmed by it and quit in a few weeks/months because it's unsustainable to jump right in to something like that from zero for most people. but beyond that i only know the basics.
oh, he says, i'm going to start doing some HIIT program to lose this weight.
eaaaaaaaaaaaasy, big fella, i say. are you sure that's a good idea? last time you tried exercising you nearly had a heart attack after a minute. you sure you want to jump right in to something intense? as a quick weight loss idea there are probably safer ways.
he laughed and told me "i'm in a lot better shape now since i've been going to the gym the last couple months"
oh, really? i had no idea. what are you doing? are you on the treadmill? running at all? swimming?
no, he laughed, i don't need to do cardio. i've been doing squats and benching. he figured that gave him the necessary stamina to jump right in to some crossfit-type workout and it won't be a problem for him.
oooooooooook
he asked how long it took me to lose weight. i answered honestly that it took me years. i had been running regularly for 3-4 years without losing any weight. got frustrated and decided that i had to do something about my diet. once i cut out soda, pared back my portions and stopped eating fast food twice a day the weight started to come off. but don't take my anecdotal advice, talk to other people and read up on it. i've always heard "can't out-run a bad diet" and in my experience that has been true. not sure if that's the case for everybody but it's what worked for me.
eat less, he chortled, ha. that's not how you lose weight. after all he had lost "30 lbs by riding my bike 3 days a week for like a few miles at a time in like 2 months". left unsaid "while burning through coke, hammering speed pills by the fistful, and downing 4-5 Monster energy drinks per day" (i only know this because he told me).
hey, you asked. i'm just telling you what worked for me. YMMV. the only way i've been able to lose and keep weight off is by modifying my diet. doesn't mean eating only salad and granola but it means not eating 2 meals at lunch, a whole Domino's pizza for dinner, half a cake to wash it down and a 12 pack of beer before bed.
what the hell do i know. i'm not a doctor. diet has nothing to do with weight loss, apparently. curls and squats are sufficient for the metabolism. just bulk up muscle 45 minutes at a time a couple days a week and get fit!
i'm not one to mock people for trying. i think it's awesome when someone starts on the path and i hope they find a sustainable way to a feeling better (physically, mentally, emotionally, whatever) but i just cannot stand the willful ignorance and "i know better than you" attitude. don't ask for advice and then tell me why you know better and are going to do it your way. if you already know, then keep your head down and do it. prove it. then i'll ask you for advice one day. otherwise, shut the #### up.
Osaurus
Footballguy
So coke will make me run faster?rant
a while back, heavier fella that i know, coming off a string of major injuries (broken back, major concussion, among others) decided that he was going to run to get back in shape. it had been 20 years since he had done any exercise. he ate like 3 adult men. periodically he would lose weight by gorging on amphetamines (or coke, sometimes both) and brag about how easy it was to lose weight when he wanted to.
he came to me one day and asked what my normal running routine was for a week. nothing special i said.. 3-4 days a week. varying mileage and terrain depending on what i have time for. nothing wacky. nice reasonable pace. no marathons, nothing super intense.
oh, he chuckled, i thought you were running.
he had just come from a doctor's appointment at which his doctor said "your lifestyle is unsustainable. you've got to start losing weight. now. get in the pool, get on a treadmill and walk 30 minutes a day.. but do something."
he told me that, since he had run track in HS, he was going to go out that night and run for an hour or so... go from there. he asked what my pace was normally. i told him. he laughed and said "i'll probably run 7:30 miles or so. that's what i did in HS (20+ years ago)".
the following morning as he limped past my desk i had to stop and ask how it went. "i ran for about 20 seconds and it felt like my lungs were going to explode. my whole body was on fire and my head was pounding. i had to stop and walk for 5 minutes. then i tried to run again but my legs were killing me so i just walked back home."
take it easy, i advised. maybe just some long walks for a while to get your stamina up. then try a program that mixes walking with running to get you going.
well, he turned down that advice and decided to bike instead. 30 minutes at a time... 1-2 days a week. that lasted for a month or so.
fast forward a couple years, mix in a back surgery, some wild weight fluctuation as he "dieted" and things are pretty much back to where they were.
stopped by my office last night and asked what i knew about HIIT. nothing, i said. only people i know who seriously do it are men & women who have made exercise and being in shape a life. at least those that sustain it over a long period of time. sure there are the "i'm joining a gym!" people that get overwhelmed by it and quit in a few weeks/months because it's unsustainable to jump right in to something like that from zero for most people. but beyond that i only know the basics.
oh, he says, i'm going to start doing some HIIT program to lose this weight.
eaaaaaaaaaaaasy, big fella, i say. are you sure that's a good idea? last time you tried exercising you nearly had a heart attack after a minute. you sure you want to jump right in to something intense? as a quick weight loss idea there are probably safer ways.
he laughed and told me "i'm in a lot better shape now since i've been going to the gym the last couple months"
oh, really? i had no idea. what are you doing? are you on the treadmill? running at all? swimming?
no, he laughed, i don't need to do cardio. i've been doing squats and benching. he figured that gave him the necessary stamina to jump right in to some crossfit-type workout and it won't be a problem for him.
oooooooooook
he asked how long it took me to lose weight. i answered honestly that it took me years. i had been running regularly for 3-4 years without losing any weight. got frustrated and decided that i had to do something about my diet. once i cut out soda, pared back my portions and stopped eating fast food twice a day the weight started to come off. but don't take my anecdotal advice, talk to other people and read up on it. i've always heard "can't out-run a bad diet" and in my experience that has been true. not sure if that's the case for everybody but it's what worked for me.
eat less, he chortled, ha. that's not how you lose weight. after all he had lost "30 lbs by riding my bike 3 days a week for like a few miles at a time in like 2 months". left unsaid "while burning through coke, hammering speed pills by the fistful, and downing 4-5 Monster energy drinks per day" (i only know this because he told me).
hey, you asked. i'm just telling you what worked for me. YMMV. the only way i've been able to lose and keep weight off is by modifying my diet. doesn't mean eating only salad and granola but it means not eating 2 meals at lunch, a whole Domino's pizza for dinner, half a cake to wash it down and a 12 pack of beer before bed.
what the hell do i know. i'm not a doctor. diet has nothing to do with weight loss, apparently. curls and squats are sufficient for the metabolism. just bulk up muscle 45 minutes at a time a couple days a week and get fit!
i'm not one to mock people for trying. i think it's awesome when someone starts on the path and i hope they find a sustainable way to a feeling better (physically, mentally, emotionally, whatever) but i just cannot stand the willful ignorance and "i know better than you" attitude. don't ask for advice and then tell me why you know better and are going to do it your way. if you already know, then keep your head down and do it. prove it. then i'll ask you for advice one day. otherwise, shut the #### up.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Injuries are always tricky. The safe thing to do is to be careful.
However, there are a lot of times you can run through them too. If I only ran when 100% healthy, I'd never have run a single marathon let alone 10. They don't always get worse. I can't count the number of times I've considered taking time off, continued onward, and been fine in the long run (pun not intended). I have a personal rule that it doesn't count as an injury if it goes away after a few miles of warm up. Fortunately that covers the bulk of what I get. One of the nice things about running for several years is you learn your body and you might get an injury that you've had before and know how to handle.
@JShare87 The paragraph above isn't advice to you. I'm just sharing my experiences. But I've been lucky. I only stretch when I have particularly worrisome injury -- before less than 10% of runs. I never ice, I've never had a massage, I'm not exactly sure what a foam roller is, etc. You have to figure out what works for you. I will say, though, that I'm glad I've taken some risks because they've lead to some rewards. One day my luck will probably run out and I'll be on the shelf for a long while. But I'm willing to accept that risk.
However, there are a lot of times you can run through them too. If I only ran when 100% healthy, I'd never have run a single marathon let alone 10. They don't always get worse. I can't count the number of times I've considered taking time off, continued onward, and been fine in the long run (pun not intended). I have a personal rule that it doesn't count as an injury if it goes away after a few miles of warm up. Fortunately that covers the bulk of what I get. One of the nice things about running for several years is you learn your body and you might get an injury that you've had before and know how to handle.
@JShare87 The paragraph above isn't advice to you. I'm just sharing my experiences. But I've been lucky. I only stretch when I have particularly worrisome injury -- before less than 10% of runs. I never ice, I've never had a massage, I'm not exactly sure what a foam roller is, etc. You have to figure out what works for you. I will say, though, that I'm glad I've taken some risks because they've lead to some rewards. One day my luck will probably run out and I'll be on the shelf for a long while. But I'm willing to accept that risk.
Ned
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Yup.I used to think this way. Now, I wish I hadn't.
The biggest thing I worry about with @JShare87 is that he hasn't got near his peak marathon training and he's already dealing with over use type injuries. Reminds me of me this year. You can't build if aren't healthy.
Also it's a bad sign if the Achilles doesn't loosen up after a few miles and even more troubling if it hurts to walk.
Nigel
Footballguy
Incredible the amount of weight you've shed, restricting calories, while training for this. You're a freak, and I mean that in a good way. ####### amazing, good luck.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yes, I get that and perhaps I'll feel the same way someday. I certainly hesitate posting stuff like I did considering the problems with injuries we've seen in the thread. I just feel inclined to share my experiences, whatever they may be worth to others.I used to think this way. Now, I wish I hadn't.
I was going to take issue with what you posted then I realized you're a 3 hr marathoner, blazing fast and fit and I'm an out of shape tub of goo at the back of the pack chatting with the sweeper.
need2know
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
JShare87
Footballguy
I absolutely appreciate your feedback, Juxt. I see both sides and tend to lean both ways sometimes, depends on the day.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
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SFBayDuck
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
I signed up for the local one but they refunded my entry fee. Mentioned something about the bounce house not being rated for fatass races.
Osaurus
Footballguy
bushdocda
Footballguy
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Signed up for text message updates. I'll be a little busy on Saturday, but looking forward to following along and hearing all about it afterward!
This event always falls on Final Four weekend. Weird to be off grid knowing that most of the world is watching the games and trying to get updates.
