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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (14 Viewers)

I'm a morning runner too and enjoy starting the day that way.  But...  on weekends, I'm not gonna set an alarm for 5AM to run when it's dark out.  That seems a little nuts unless you absolutely have to. 
In the summer, it's almost a must. I can start running at 5 am and by the time I get home the sun is just coming up over the tops of the trees. Makes a huge difference in terms of running comfort.

Now that cooler temps are here, my hope is to sleep in a little, except for the fact I have 3 kids who seem to have 9 AM soccer games every Saturday. So up and at 'em so I don't miss any of their activities.

 
SteelCurtain said:
Probably no better time than now to announce I will be dipping my toe into the ultra marathon swamp. 

I respect each distance, especially those that go to the ultra level.  Now, ultra is generally anything over 26.2 miles, correct @SFBayDuck?  As much as a 50K (31 miles) is quite an accomplishment, I wanted to go beyond just 5 miles past a marathon.  So I set my sights on a 50 mile race.

I have signed up for The JFK 50 miler in mid November. Many thanks to @SFBayDuck to helping me find this race. I know @gruecd ran it a few years back.

I am going to this race alone and will plan on running alone.  I really don't know much about gear, so I will spend the month of October figuring that out after I get done leading a pace group for Mohawk Hudson marathon in a couple weeks.

Primary goal is to just finish.  I'm zeroing in on a time goal of 10 hours, but I have no idea if that's too high or low.  If I come in above that, I won't be too upset. 
Congrats on taking the leap!

#1.  I agree that 50K shouldn't really "count" as an ultra.  You really don't need to train any differently that you do for a marathon.  :shrug:

#2.  I did start JFK 50 a few years ago, but I DNF'd with an injury. Thinking to maybe try it again next year.

#3.  You really don't need to do anything special in terms of gear, besides maybe invest in a pair of trail shoes for the AT section.  I switched into road shoes for the "canal" section, and I'd do it again.

 
@gruecd

Hope that ankle is feeling better soon so you can crush it this weekend.
Thanks, but not yet.  Saw a sports medicine doc this morning (his employer is a client of mine), and he confirmed what I figured, that the posterior tibial tendon (and/or the tendon sheath) is inflamed.  I was hoping he'd do a cortisone shot, but it's not an area they like to inject, so he put me on a 6-day Medrol dosepak and said that I should feel significant improvement by tomorrow already.  And let's just say that I need to start running again, because I got on the scale this morning after having not run since Monday morning, and it wasn't pretty!

So I'll take the steroids today, try to run tomorrow morning, and then make a decision one way or the other.  Stay tuned.

 
In the summer, it's almost a must. I can start running at 5 am and by the time I get home the sun is just coming up over the tops of the trees. Makes a huge difference in terms of running comfort.

Now that cooler temps are here, my hope is to sleep in a little, except for the fact I have 3 kids who seem to have 9 AM soccer games every Saturday. So up and at 'em so I don't miss any of their activities.
Everyone's logistics are different, but my wife has been finishing her long runs at our kids soccer games and cross country meets so she doesn't need to start until 7something rather than those ridiculous hours.

 
Everyone's logistics are different, but my wife has been finishing her long runs at our kids soccer games and cross country meets so she doesn't need to start until 7something rather than those ridiculous hours.
Yeah, I've done that several times. My two boys play at a field that is about 12 miles from my house - pretty much all downhill. My daughter is the one who threw a wrench in the works this year - she decided to play again, but she is at a different location. 

And the scheduling gods did not shine upon us - we have several 9am kickoffs at two separate fields. So, I still have to wake up early for at least the next couple of weeks.  :lol:

 
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Thought about it some more, and I decided that I'm not going to race on Sunday.  Even if it does feel better, it doesn't seem start to run 13.1 miles with that kind of intensity coming fresh off an injury.  If anything, I'll just go out for a couple-hour easy long run and then get back into my training program on Monday.  Trying to be smart and keep the eyes on the real prize.

Separately, it's funny how you realize that you take running for granted when it's taken away from you, even if it's just for a few days.  The next time I find myself saying that I have to run, I'm gonna try to remind myself to say that I get to run...

 
Thought about it some more, and I decided that I'm not going to race on Sunday.  Even if it does feel better, it doesn't seem start to run 13.1 miles with that kind of intensity coming fresh off an injury.  If anything, I'll just go out for a couple-hour easy long run and then get back into my training program on Monday.  Trying to be smart and keep the eyes on the real prize.

Separately, it's funny how you realize that you take running for granted when it's taken away from you, even if it's just for a few days.  The next time I find myself saying that I have to run, I'm gonna try to remind myself to say that I get to run...
This very thought got me through the summer. 

 
To speak on the early morning runs, I do all my runs before the sun comes up. I am to the point where I don’t really mind waking up at 4am. However, I really do enjoy waking up every Saturday morning for my long run. I actually look forward to waking up early and running because it gives me a sense of accomplishment and an excuse to do whatever the hell I want the entire weekend. 

 
I actually look forward to waking up early and running because it gives me a sense of accomplishment and an excuse to do whatever the hell I want the entire weekend. 
This is the only way I keep myself going some days.  "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"

I always have to do my chores/running/whatever before fun.  Otherwise the fun is marred by dread/guilt of having to do the other after.

Best phrase I have seen in this thread which I use often for motivation is "You never regret the runs you do, only the ones you skip."

 
To speak on the early morning runs, I do all my runs before the sun comes up. I am to the point where I don’t really mind waking up at 4am. However, I really do enjoy waking up every Saturday morning for my long run. I actually look forward to waking up early and running because it gives me a sense of accomplishment and an excuse to do whatever the hell I want the entire weekend. 
Yeah, I've gotten this way also.

Nothing like walking in at 7:30 am after running 12-15 miles, grabbing a kid and heading to the farmers market, and getting home by 8:45 and smugly looking at my wife as she's just getting out of bed. 

 
Yeah, I've done that several times. My two boys play at a field that is about 12 miles from my house - pretty much all downhill. My daughter is the one who threw a wrench in the works this year - she decided to play again, but she is at a different location. 

And the scheduling gods did not shine upon us - we have several 9am kickoffs at two separate fields. So, I still have to wake up early for at least the next couple of weeks.  :lol:
Ugh - as busy as the extra curricular schedule is right now tomorrow is the only Saturday we have this problem this season.  But thankfully the only thing Sunday is my wife going to the Indians game at night, so she's just doing her long then instead of Saturday like usual.  I'm sure we won't be as lucky in future years though.  Knowing this is one reason why I'm not deciding about my next marathon until some unknown time in the future.

 
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I am avoiding the scale, I’ve got to be down a lot since spring even with the ‘see food’ diet in place and post run protein shakes. 

@SteelCurtain (and others of course) From your experience with Hanson plan (i’m using beginner from the book), when did you feel confident to you could hold the tempo run for 26.2?  I guess with cumulative fatigue and all that I might never feel ‘sure’ but today even with a good effort at a good HR I can’t avoid dwelling on how to stretch 9 miles into 26.2. 1 more 9m and then the 3 10m to go so plenty of more time to think about it  :loco:
This is a great question. 

My experience is cumulative fatigue is very real.  I've only done the Advanced Program, but from what I've seen, the beginner program is no picnic. 

My plan is 18 weeks.  Usually around weeks 12-15 its very challenging.  My legs are sore.  Hungry all the time.  Needing sleep. 

It is normal to really question the plan and whether 10 at pace is enough.  Or a long run of 16 is enough.  I'm telling you I think it is.  Now, I'll be honest, I add 2 easy WU and 2 easy CD to the long 16 miles to get to an even 20. 

What I have found is this plan works if you fuel correctly (always been a challenge for me) as well as have good weather.  If its hot or humid, you need to adjust accordingly. 

I think you are still earlier in the plan.  The cumulative fatigue will start to catch you.  You will feel it but you are also getting stronger and faster.  Good luck and I'm here if you have other questions.

I recommend you like the "Hansons Marathon Method Community" on facebook (if you are on FB).   Motivational stories on there.  And lots of "Look at me" posts.

 
Tri guys - have you taken the winter months to focus on the swim?

My last event this year is November 11 (local HM) then nothing scheduled except races with my 10yo until May 26.

That gives me 51 days in 2018, then 21 weeks in 2019. Thinking of focusing on the swim until New year's day, then kicking into a 21 week program for the HIM. 

thoughts? 

Oh, and my 10yo who insisted he didn't want to run this year made track team again :D
I did last season winter only because I was training for my 5 mile swim.  I think this winter it will be mostly bike FTP.  Im imagining maintenance swim and some running.

 
SteelCurtain said:
Probably no better time than now to announce I will be dipping my toe into the ultra marathon swamp. 

I respect each distance, especially those that go to the ultra level.  Now, ultra is generally anything over 26.2 miles, correct @SFBayDuck?  As much as a 50K (31 miles) is quite an accomplishment, I wanted to go beyond just 5 miles past a marathon.  So I set my sights on a 50 mile race.

I have signed up for The JFK 50 miler in mid November. Many thanks to @SFBayDuck to helping me find this race. I know @gruecd ran it a few years back.

I am going to this race alone and will plan on running alone.  I really don't know much about gear, so I will spend the month of October figuring that out after I get done leading a pace group for Mohawk Hudson marathon in a couple weeks.

Primary goal is to just finish.  I'm zeroing in on a time goal of 10 hours, but I have no idea if that's too high or low.  If I come in above that, I won't be too upset. 
Thats awesome!

 
thanks.

lol. Funny you should ask. Have a good friend that got into tris a few years ago. I almost caught that bug once but it didn't quite take. We do have a membership to the Y and I've done some swimming on and off but not a ton lately. I have a gadget for riding at home but haven't used it for quite a while. There's a good chance it comes back out this winter and/or other activities as the weather turns. If When I make this stuff a habit again, I have no desire to relapse again. Of course I've said that a time or 10 in the past.
So not a ton of swimming ... like 2 days a week?  Nice!  Nothing better for burning calories than swimming IMHO.  Im pretty sure thats why I got into Tri's, just so I could eat more and not be 300lbs.

 
I'm just saying - I ran a 10:30 50M on a course of similar difficulty (flat first 26 miles, rolling trails for 21, then a climb for the final 3).  And I am, and always have been, slow as ####.  And you sir are not.  As for the 100M, I totally understand.  But the 100K is a great distance - you can really push to your endurance limits, and you still get to go to bed that night.

I'll dig some stuff up on nutrition, but I wouldn't overcomplicate it too much - if you have something that works, plan to go with that.  The key is to have a plan B (and C) for nutrition if bananas and clif shots stop working at some point during the race.  Jason Koop has some good stuff on the topic.

It looks like the aid stations are plentiful with 14 over the 50 miles - 4, 10, 16, 20, 22, 25, 27, 30, 34, 38, 42, 44, 46 and 48 mile points.  You only have to go as far as 6 miles twice, and those are the 2nd and 3rd aid stations.  So you really shouldn't need to carry too much.  That vest looks fine, although you could probably get away with a handheld and a flip belt stuffed with shot blocks if you don't want to wear a vest.  If you do go with a vest just be sure to lube up all over your torso, but if it fits ok chafing shouldn't be too much of an issue.
I just started on heavier nutrition, but Im diggin infinit:  https://www.infinitnutrition.us/

For my 132m ride I started with 2 bottles with double strength (~700 cal per bottle) of this:  https://www.infinitnutrition.us/andy-potts-training-bike-blend.html

I really like it.  While its thick double strength, its not sweet or heavy.  Ive read about people going to triple strength (~1000 cal) which I will try for my next distance train.  If I had to do over that long bike ride, I would have done triple strength.

I also just did the create your own for my longer hotter runs.  I made a run one with lots of electrolytes, sodium etc.  For all those "suck index" days folks ##### about.

 
Trying to ramp up my mileage again this weekend.

Did 14 this morning.  Hoping for 20 tomorrow.  10 on Sunday and another 20 on Monday.

Then I'll be in Utah and will hike for a couple days and do no running. 

I also have my marathon I'll be pacing on October 7.  So I'll dial the mileage down a bit for the two weeks prior to that race.

 
Separately, it's funny how you realize that you take running for granted when it's taken away from you, even if it's just for a few days.  The next time I find myself saying that I have to run, I'm gonna try to remind myself to say that I get to run...
:yes:  1000%

I ran nearly 12,500mi without so much as a few nagging injuries over the course of 6 years before the wheels suddenly fell off.  I certainly took it for granted and regret not listening more to the warning signs.  You're doing the right thing here.

 
.02

Swim 3-4, ride 3, run 2, weights 2
Maybe.

When I left it's rarely long sessions could easily do weights and a run or swim in less than 90 minutes. Or it's just 10-15 minutes before work. But it could work out well if I swim MWF, lift TTh in the mornings, ride or run in the afternoons.

 
I just started on heavier nutrition, but Im diggin infinit:  https://www.infinitnutrition.us/

For my 132m ride I started with 2 bottles with double strength (~700 cal per bottle) of this:  https://www.infinitnutrition.us/andy-potts-training-bike-blend.html

I really like it.  While its thick double strength, its not sweet or heavy.  Ive read about people going to triple strength (~1000 cal) which I will try for my next distance train.  If I had to do over that long bike ride, I would have done triple strength.

I also just did the create your own for my longer hotter runs.  I made a run one with lots of electrolytes, sodium etc.  For all those "suck index" days folks ##### about.
:popcorn:

Considering a 200km ride next summer-fall. 132m is just a little longer. How long did it take you to train up for it? Right now going over 60m gets uncomfortable. I've done the 112 before but I took a while to get up to it. 

 
This is a great question. 

My experience is cumulative fatigue is very real.  I've only done the Advanced Program, but from what I've seen, the beginner program is no picnic. 

My plan is 18 weeks.  Usually around weeks 12-15 its very challenging.  My legs are sore.  Hungry all the time.  Needing sleep. 

It is normal to really question the plan and whether 10 at pace is enough.  Or a long run of 16 is enough.  I'm telling you I think it is.  Now, I'll be honest, I add 2 easy WU and 2 easy CD to the long 16 miles to get to an even 20. 

What I have found is this plan works if you fuel correctly (always been a challenge for me) as well as have good weather.  If its hot or humid, you need to adjust accordingly. 

I think you are still earlier in the plan.  The cumulative fatigue will start to catch you.  You will feel it but you are also getting stronger and faster.  Good luck and I'm here if you have other questions.

I recommend you like the "Hansons Marathon Method Community" on facebook (if you are on FB).   Motivational stories on there.  And lots of "Look at me" posts.
Thanks. I’ll wrap week 13 this weekend so it’s creeping closer. I was pretty beat up a few weeks ago but currently feeling ok. Likely a fleeting feeling.

That FB is pretty helpful to observe. I will probably stretch this weekends 16 a bit and then the one ending week 15 I will probably tackle in a metric marathon at log pace and stretch it a tad as well. 

Ive seen a lot of benefits from the plan and the volume has been great for me. My tempo paces have been a tad faster than marathon pace (closer to strength) and strength have been a tad faster than prescribed as well. Long run paces by the book sometimes a bit faster finish. No issues and I sure as hell adhere to my easy run paces. Hope I’m not hurting myself with overreaching a bit on the SOS day paces but I think it’s ok. 

 
:yes:  1000%

I ran nearly 12,500mi without so much as a few nagging injuries over the course of 6 years before the wheels suddenly fell off.  I certainly took it for granted and regret not listening more to the warning signs.  You're doing the right thing here.
So ... what were the warning signs?

... I’m asking for a friend :unsure:

 
2018 Meet @gianmarco Report - Official

So gianmarco was heading to the KC area for his son's soccer tournament. He had reached out a few weeks before, so we planned to meet up. After some back and forth we settled on dinner Friday night, as this seemed to be the best option.

All day Friday I kept asking myself these questions:

1. What should I wear?

2. Will he like me?

3. Should I wear a hat or style my hair?

4. What kind of food should we go eat?

Got home after work and settled into my pre-meeting routine. Decided to go with the Kansas City hick stylewear, which consisted of a long-sleeved bass pro shop shirt, jeans, and a ball cap. Wore some old Mizuno running shoes to let him know I mean business.

We met at a local neighborhood bar/grill type restaurant, which offered several different options sure to please every palate.

The Meet

I got there first, and put my name on the wait list, as it was a little busy right after work on a Friday night. I went outside to wait, and here he comes. He was a lot taller than that little picture on strava - who knew?

After exchanging pleasantries, we head in to the bar for a couple of beers. We both ordered a local Boulevard Wheat, which they delivered with a lemon wedge on the side. We head outside to wait for our table. After a couple of minutes, gianmarco discards his lemon wedge. Major points scored there. I had considered dropping mine on the bar when we got the beers, but didn't want to be rude to the bartender. I was able to discard mine at the table later, and we shared a laugh about how fruit does not belong in beers. We are now best friends.

While waiting for our table, we were outside in a bar seating area. It was a little noisy, so I asked gianmarco about his upcoming race. I think the question was something like:

"Are you ready for your race?"

So he starts going into his ethnic background. I'm sitting there thinking "WTF?" Apparently he thought I said "What is your race?"  :lol:

Glad we dodged that bullet. Didn't want him to think I was some Kansas City racist hick. I'm already a Kansas City cooter, but that's where it stops.

The Dinner

So we sit down to dinner and order. We both ordered as if we had runs coming up - good basic food that wouldn't upset the GI track. His son ordered as if he had a 7:30 am soccer game the next day - chicken fingers and fries. :lol:   13 year old kids - lucky little food processing machines.

A quick word about his son - very polite, well mannered kid. Would answer questions with actual conversation and not just yes/no type answers. You could tell he was raised by good people.

So we have another cold beer, and have some good conversation throughout dinner about running, his race, family, all kinds of stuff. It was like we had known each other for years. Very easy conversation.

It was time for the check, and this is where it got ugly. We both look at each other, and the fight is on for the check. I give the waitress my credit card, and due to his speed, jumps up and heads her off at the wait stand. All I could do was sit there and just chuckle - at a much appreciated meal with a good dude. Thanks for dinner :thumbup: .

The End of The Meet

We head out, and God Bless This Guy. He pulls two local St. Louis brews out of his car - a Schlafly wheat ale and a Zwickel Bavarian Lager as a gift. :banned:

All I can say is @gianmarco is a good dude. The kind of guy in person just as he is here, which is always good to see. Had a great time, and we may try and get out for a run on Sunday.

:thumbup:

 
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2018 Meet @gianmarco Report - Official

So gianmarco was heading to the KC area for his son's soccer tournament. He had reached out a few weeks before, so we planned to meet up. After some back and forth we settled on dinner Friday night, as this seemed to be the best option.

All day Friday I kept asking myself these questions:

1. What should I wear?

2. Will he like me?

3. Should I wear a hat or style my hair?

4. What kind of food should we go eat?

Got home after work and settled into my pre-meeting routine. Decided to go with the Kansas City hick stylewear, which consisted of a long-sleeved bass pro shop shirt, jeans, and a ball cap. Wore some old Mizuno running shoes to let him know I mean business.

We met at a local neighborhood bar/grill type restaurant, which offered several different options sure to please every palate.

The Meet

I got there first, and put my name on the wait list, as it was a little busy right after work on a Friday night. I went outside to wait, and here he comes. He was a lot taller than that little picture on strava - who knew?

After exchanging pleasantries, we head in to the bar for a couple of beers. We both ordered a local Boulevard Wheat, which they delivered with a lemon wedge on the side. We head outside to wait for our table. After a couple of minutes, gianmarco discards his lemon wedge. Major points scored there. I had considered dropping mine on the bar when we got the beers, but didn't want to be rude to the bartender. I was able to discard mine at the table later, and we shared a laugh about how fruit does not belong in beers. We are now best friends.

While waiting for our table, we were outside in a bar seating area. It was a little noisy, so I asked gianmarco about his upcoming race. I think the question was something like:

"Are you ready for your race?"

So he starts going into his ethnic background. I'm sitting there thinking "WTF?" Apparently he thought I said "What is your race?"  :lol:

Glad we dodged that bullet. Didn't want him to think I was some Kansas City racist hick. I'm already a Kansas City cooter, but that's where it stops.

The Dinner

So we sit down to dinner and order. We both ordered as if we had runs coming up - good basic food that wouldn't upset the GI track. His son ordered as if he had a 7:30 am soccer game the next day - chicken fingers and fries. :lol:   13 year old kids - lucky little food processing machines.

A quick word about his son - very polite, well mannered kid. Would answer questions with actual conversation and not just yes/no type answers. You could tell he was raised by good people.

So we have another cold beer, and have some good conversation throughout dinner about running, his race, family, all kinds of stuff. It was like we had known each other for years. Very easy conversation.

It was time for the check, and this is where it got ugly. We both look at each other, and the fight is on for the check. I give the waitress my credit card, and due to his speed, jumps up and heads her off at the wait stand. All I could do was sit there and just chuckle - at a much appreciated meal with a good dude. Thanks for dinner :thumbup: .

The End of The Meet

We head out, and God Bless This Guy. He pulls two local St. Louis brews out of his car - a Schlafly wheat ale and a Zwickel Bavarian Lager as a gift. :banned:

All I can say is @gianmarco is a good dude. The kind of guy in person just as he is here, which is always good to see. Had a great time, and we may try and get out for a run on Sunday.

:thumbup:
Awesome dinner report. Forgot to mention how many bathroom trips before the meet up. Also, did either one of you call yourself a BMF outloud? 

 
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While waiting for our table, we were outside in a bar seating area. It was a little noisy, so I asked gianmarco about his upcoming race. I think the question was something like:

"Are you ready for your race?"

So he starts going into his ethnic background. I'm sitting there thinking "WTF?" Apparently he thought I said "What is your race?"  :lol:

Glad we dodged that bullet. Didn't want him to think I was some Kansas City racist hick. I'm already a Kansas City cooter, but that's where it stops.
This seriously cracks me up. So, it was pretty loud overall, and when I heard the question, I'm thinking "maybe it's my tan". 

As I'm answering, I see him start to laugh and repeated what he really asked.

And then he goes something to the effect of "but that's good to know too"

:lmao:

What else is funny is that my wife and daughters got in after 9 and we didn't get to go over much before getting in bed to get up early so I didn't get to talk to her about dinner. So after reading that report this morning, I just handed her my phone so she could read and see what we did last night. 

She laughed.

 
:popcorn:

Considering a 200km ride next summer-fall. 132m is just a little longer. How long did it take you to train up for it? Right now going over 60m gets uncomfortable. I've done the 112 before but I took a while to get up to it. 
Nothing?

A few points:

I trained for the 70.3.  I knew my endurance and ability would not have drifted off too much with this bike ride like 2 weeks after. I was thinking it would be like 12 hours on the bike but I figured my basic cardio and endurance would translate to the bike only time wise.

I also knew my buddy was not an endurance athlete. He is a pure slow and go guy. I was figuring his mph to be 12-14mph. I figured if I was able to do 56 miles at 18mph in the hoods, that I could drop to 13 upright and sludge it out worst case. 

The scary part is that to date my longest ride was about 66 miles. I feel like I learned a lot on my 5 mile swim though. Specifically, measure you ability on a weeks worth of exercise, not a days worth. What I mean is I never swam for than like 3600 yards in any single session before my 9500 yard swim. I had read that as long as you were consistently getting in the total yards of your swim over each week that it would translate for the event. Now, that’s a leap of faith when i started the swim, but it ended up being true. It also didn’t hurth that while I had been swimming a number of weeks at 10k+ Yards I was also biking 80+ miles and running like 20+ miles those same weeks. 

In the end, and to be honest, I was most worried about physically be able to sit in the saddle for those 10+ hours. I was really surprised at how bad it wasnt. I do have a really nice pair of bike shorts, which I swear by, but it’s not like they were new. 

 
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2018 Meet @gianmarco Report - Official

So gianmarco was heading to the KC area for his son's soccer tournament. He had reached out a few weeks before, so we planned to meet up. After some back and forth we settled on dinner Friday night, as this seemed to be the best option.

All day Friday I kept asking myself these questions:

1. What should I wear?

2. Will he like me?

3. Should I wear a hat or style my hair?

4. What kind of food should we go eat?

Got home after work and settled into my pre-meeting routine. Decided to go with the Kansas City hick stylewear, which consisted of a long-sleeved bass pro shop shirt, jeans, and a ball cap. Wore some old Mizuno running shoes to let him know I mean business.

We met at a local neighborhood bar/grill type restaurant, which offered several different options sure to please every palate.

The Meet

I got there first, and put my name on the wait list, as it was a little busy right after work on a Friday night. I went outside to wait, and here he comes. He was a lot taller than that little picture on strava - who knew?

After exchanging pleasantries, we head in to the bar for a couple of beers. We both ordered a local Boulevard Wheat, which they delivered with a lemon wedge on the side. We head outside to wait for our table. After a couple of minutes, gianmarco discards his lemon wedge. Major points scored there. I had considered dropping mine on the bar when we got the beers, but didn't want to be rude to the bartender. I was able to discard mine at the table later, and we shared a laugh about how fruit does not belong in beers. We are now best friends.

While waiting for our table, we were outside in a bar seating area. It was a little noisy, so I asked gianmarco about his upcoming race. I think the question was something like:

"Are you ready for your race?"

So he starts going into his ethnic background. I'm sitting there thinking "WTF?" Apparently he thought I said "What is your race?"  :lol:

Glad we dodged that bullet. Didn't want him to think I was some Kansas City racist hick. I'm already a Kansas City cooter, but that's where it stops.

The Dinner

So we sit down to dinner and order. We both ordered as if we had runs coming up - good basic food that wouldn't upset the GI track. His son ordered as if he had a 7:30 am soccer game the next day - chicken fingers and fries. :lol:   13 year old kids - lucky little food processing machines.

A quick word about his son - very polite, well mannered kid. Would answer questions with actual conversation and not just yes/no type answers. You could tell he was raised by good people.

So we have another cold beer, and have some good conversation throughout dinner about running, his race, family, all kinds of stuff. It was like we had known each other for years. Very easy conversation.

It was time for the check, and this is where it got ugly. We both look at each other, and the fight is on for the check. I give the waitress my credit card, and due to his speed, jumps up and heads her off at the wait stand. All I could do was sit there and just chuckle - at a much appreciated meal with a good dude. Thanks for dinner :thumbup: .

The End of The Meet

We head out, and God Bless This Guy. He pulls two local St. Louis brews out of his car - a Schlafly wheat ale and a Zwickel Bavarian Lager as a gift. :banned:

All I can say is @gianmarco is a good dude. The kind of guy in person just as he is here, which is always good to see. Had a great time, and we may try and get out for a run on Sunday.

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WTF @gianmarco !!!

You are supposed to set the bar so we can trip over it, not so high that we have to pretend we dunk on it. How the #### is anyone gonna live up to that meetup?  Polite children?  Jesus H Christ, is that even real?

 
While waiting for our table, we were outside in a bar seating area. It was a little noisy, so I asked gianmarco about his upcoming race. I think the question was something like:

"Are you ready for your race?"

So he starts going into his ethnic background. I'm sitting there thinking "WTF?" Apparently he thought I said "What is your race?"  :lol:

Glad we dodged that bullet. Didn't want him to think I was some Kansas City racist hick. I'm already a Kansas City cooter, but that's where it stops.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
First run back was a success.  I was a little worried when I woke up this morning, because the tendon felt a little sore, but it wasn't a problem.  A little stiff at first, but it loosened up pretty quickly.  Only really felt it on a couple of steeper hills, but no big deal.  I ran for an hour, which got me 7.6 miles.  With temps in the low 40s, the weather was absolutely GLORIOUS.  Assuming no setbacks, gonna shoot for 12-15 easy tomorrow morning, and then back into the training plan starting on Monday morning.

Oh yeah, I was a little embarrassed when this was the second song to shuffle onto my iPod this morning.  :bag:   Thankfully I redeemed myself immediately thereafter with this:gang1:

P.S.  Eminem's "'Til I Collapse" will always be my #1 running song, but this is a close #2 for when I need to get hyped...

 
First run back was a success.  I was a little worried when I woke up this morning, because the tendon felt a little sore, but it wasn't a problem.  A little stiff at first, but it loosened up pretty quickly.  Only really felt it on a couple of steeper hills, but no big deal.  I ran for an hour, which got me 7.6 miles.  With temps in the low 40s, the weather was absolutely GLORIOUS.  Assuming no setbacks, gonna shoot for 12-15 easy tomorrow morning, and then back into the training plan starting on Monday morning.

Oh yeah, I was a little embarrassed when this was the second song to shuffle onto my iPod this morning.  :bag:   Thankfully I redeemed myself immediately thereafter with this:gang1:

P.S.  Eminem's "'Til I Collapse" will always be my #1 running song, but this is a close #2 for when I need to get hyped...
"Lose Yourself" has been my starting song for my workouts for the last few weeks.

And nothing wrong with some Ke$ha. At all.

 
So the plan today with temps of 54 degrees and a dew point of 47 was to do a long slow run to measure up against my long slow runs from all summer to check the weather adjusted HR. Plan was 14-15 miles or so.

Mile 1: 10:18 pace. HR 145. So far so good.

Mile 2: 11:04 pace. HR 151. WTF? It's hill, but didn't expect to be THAT slow.

Mile 3: 10:40 pace. HR 153. What the Double Fook? This wasn't the plan.

Mile 4: 10:48 pace. HR 156. Sheeeeeeit.

Well, at this point I decided to pull a @Juxtatarot. Just run by feel. If my heart rate was gonna be up, just give the body what it wants. Decided here to go ahead and elevate to my target marathon heart rate, which is 165, and just see where I am and hold it as long as I could.

Mile 5: 9:30 pace. 162 HR

Mile 6: 9:15 pace. 165 HR

Mile 7: 9:26 pace. 165 HR

Mile 8: 9:26 pace. 163 HR

Mile 9: 9:13 pace. 162 HR

Mile 10: 9:32 pace. 164 HR

Mile 11: 9:14 pace. 167 HR

Mile 12: 9:19 pace. 166 HR

Mile 13: 9:04 pace. 164 HR

Mile 14: 10:11 pace. 164 HR. Steep uphill here

14.3: 11:32 pace. 158 HR. Cool down as I got home.

So, 10 miles at my goal HR for my marathon, at an average of 9:26 pace at 164. My goal pace to be sub 4:00 is 9:06.

Getting there...slowly but surely.

 
@ChiefD  Nice job!  Did that feel like marathon effort?
Yeah, it did. Lungs were fine. Legs got a little heavy toward the end, but I haven’t run hardly anything fast in months. Body actually felt good in terms of my resources not being depleted. Which is what normally happens. So all systems were pretty good.

 
gianmarco said:
"Lose Yourself" has been my starting song for my workouts for the last few weeks.

And nothing wrong with some Ke$ha. At all.
I mean, technically it's a Pitbull song anyway. At least back then she still looked kinda hot :shrug:  

 
Juxtatarot said:
I’ll attempt an answer but I don’t know much about this stuff.

I’m not sure even a $500 smart watch is automatically going to be accurate due to natural variations in stride length and form. However, my watch had me “calibrate” after my first treadmill run so it could make adjustments to match the treadmill. (I then messed this up but that’s a different story and I haven’t been on a treadmill in months.) I’d suggest looking for an app that has a calibration feature. Does yours?
Doesn’t look like it, and I’m having trouble finding one that does. Will keep looking, though. I’ve considered just counting laps, but I feel like my runs are more pleasant when I’m not constantly thinking about how far I’ve gone & how far I have left. It’s why I hate treadmill running - I’m staring down my time/distance the entire time.

 
Good stuff @ChiefD, very funny. 

@tri-man 47, hope it settles down, and more so hope it doesn’t set you back in the near term. 

@gruecd, Ke$ha rules. For running only. If you listen to her while shaving your dome in the morning, that’s a different story. 

 
I got through the relay race.  Last couple legs (6 miles each) were tough.  Hip’s hurting pretty bad.  Might need to skip the final 5K in a month and just heal up and switch to winter training, ala Oz.

 
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So ... what were the warning signs?

... I’m asking for a friend :unsure:
Heel became really tender to the touch. Like if I bumped it against something without a shoe on it’d be a pretty sharp pain. During runs it would be stiff around that area of the heel and ankle but it always loosened up on a run. So I ignored it. Then getting out of bed would suck where it was super stiff and I’d limp to the bathroom. Again it would loosen up after moving so I ignored it. It snowballed over months and finally killed me during my taper and it blew up during my last marathon. 

 
Heel became really tender to the touch. Like if I bumped it against something without a shoe on it’d be a pretty sharp pain. During runs it would be stiff around that area of the heel and ankle but it always loosened up on a run. So I ignored it. Then getting out of bed would suck where it was super stiff and I’d limp to the bathroom. Again it would loosen up after moving so I ignored it. It snowballed over months and finally killed me during my taper and it blew up during my last marathon. 
Everything you experienced and the symptoms you mention are the same as for me except mine seems to ebb and flow instead of just getting progressively worse. For me it seems calf tightness plays a key role.

(By the way, I’m just sharing. No advice implied. I know similar injuries can be quite different.)

 

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