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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

@The Iguana I suspect that one minute slower than half marathon pace is still in an endurance endurance building zone for you.  If your body seems to be handling it and you enjoy that pace, I think you're fine continuing doing what you're doing.   @MAC_32 mentioned how he naturally slows down as he adds mileage due to fatigue.  I think that happens with all of us.  When you start marathon training and add mileage, I think you'll also notice a natural inclination to slow, at least in the early weeks.  Don't let that discourage you, just roll with it.

One thing that @pbm107 wrote years ago that always sticks with me is that your body knows better than your mind.  Try to listen to what your body body tells you and not overthink things.

 
Live tracking for San Diego 100, I'm bib 127.  Race kicks off on Friday at 6:00 AM PT.

My pace chart, which I built using runner splits from the last 2 years.  A goal is 28 hours (not sure if that's doable, but why not?).  B goal is 30 hours.  C(utoff) goal is 32 hours.  Ultrasignup's algorithm predicts a 29:47:13.  I'm really not sure what to expect.  Training has been pretty good, even if I didn't get in the one big week between Miwok and SD100 that I was hoping for.  But every month so far this year has been between 32:40-39 hours, and 21K'-30K' in elevation.  I feel pretty healthy, a pain on the top of my left foot that comes and goes a bit being the only thing that's bothered me lately.

Today I'm putting together drop bags, packing, charging lights and battery packs, reviewing the course (YouTube and the Race Book descriptions), and trying to get my head right.  I think I'll get in a quick hike/jog to test out the fit of a new lighting system, a Kogalla Ra connected to a Flip Belt.  I'll have headlamps in my drop bags as well, in case it doesn't work like I think it will during the race. 

I fly out tomorrow at 10:00, get in to San Diego at 11:30, and then it's a little over an hour drive to the race start/finish location.  My buddy Surf is running it as well, and we'll be meeting up there later in the afternoon during the pre-race check in.  Then it's off to our rental to put the feet up, eat my salmon and rice, and unsuccessfully attempt to get some good sleep before that 3:30 AM alarm Friday morning.

 
Race kicks off on Friday at 6:00 AM PT.
I was looking at the course the other day.  Feels like if you can get to Dale's Kitchen in good time (probably going to be the hardest section as it is the longest climb and will likely be the middle of the night) then the rest of the course after that is all downhill from there (literally).  And the downhill grade isn't so significant that it will be a quad-killer.  Although after 70+ miles, I imagine any downhill grade is a quad-killer.  

I very briefly floated with the wife to come down and pace you (for a short section) but that didn't even get 30 seconds of consideration.  Maybe I can work on her with more advance notice for your next 100-miler, whenever that is.  Would be fun to see you in action and learn from the master!

Knock 'em dead, @SFBayDuck.  I'll do my best to send good hill-climbing vibes your way.  May your feet glide over the roots, your headlamp shine the way, and your tater tots remain at the aid station.

 
I was looking at the course the other day.  Feels like if you can get to Dale's Kitchen in good time (probably going to be the hardest section as it is the longest climb and will likely be the middle of the night) then the rest of the course after that is all downhill from there (literally).  And the downhill grade isn't so significant that it will be a quad-killer.  Although after 70+ miles, I imagine any downhill grade is a quad-killer.  

I very briefly floated with the wife to come down and pace you (for a short section) but that didn't even get 30 seconds of consideration.  Maybe I can work on her with more advance notice for your next 100-miler, whenever that is.  Would be fun to see you in action and learn from the master!

Knock 'em dead, @SFBayDuck.  I'll do my best to send good hill-climbing vibes your way.  May your feet glide over the roots, your headlamp shine the way, and your tater tots remain at the aid station.
And may your gels be plentiful.

 
Live tracking for San Diego 100, I'm bib 127.  Race kicks off on Friday at 6:00 AM PT.

My pace chart, which I built using runner splits from the last 2 years.  A goal is 28 hours (not sure if that's doable, but why not?).  B goal is 30 hours.  C(utoff) goal is 32 hours.  Ultrasignup's algorithm predicts a 29:47:13.  I'm really not sure what to expect.  Training has been pretty good, even if I didn't get in the one big week between Miwok and SD100 that I was hoping for.  But every month so far this year has been between 32:40-39 hours, and 21K'-30K' in elevation.  I feel pretty healthy, a pain on the top of my left foot that comes and goes a bit being the only thing that's bothered me lately.

Today I'm putting together drop bags, packing, charging lights and battery packs, reviewing the course (YouTube and the Race Book descriptions), and trying to get my head right.  I think I'll get in a quick hike/jog to test out the fit of a new lighting system, a Kogalla Ra connected to a Flip Belt.  I'll have headlamps in my drop bags as well, in case it doesn't work like I think it will during the race. 

I fly out tomorrow at 10:00, get in to San Diego at 11:30, and then it's a little over an hour drive to the race start/finish location.  My buddy Surf is running it as well, and we'll be meeting up there later in the afternoon during the pre-race check in.  Then it's off to our rental to put the feet up, eat my salmon and rice, and unsuccessfully attempt to get some good sleep before that 3:30 AM alarm Friday morning.
Good luck man!  Give 'er hell!

 
I was looking at the course the other day.  Feels like if you can get to Dale's Kitchen in good time (probably going to be the hardest section as it is the longest climb and will likely be the middle of the night) then the rest of the course after that is all downhill from there (literally).  And the downhill grade isn't so significant that it will be a quad-killer.  Although after 70+ miles, I imagine any downhill grade is a quad-killer.  

I very briefly floated with the wife to come down and pace you (for a short section) but that didn't even get 30 seconds of consideration.  Maybe I can work on her with more advance notice for your next 100-miler, whenever that is.  Would be fun to see you in action and learn from the master!

Knock 'em dead, @SFBayDuck.  I'll do my best to send good hill-climbing vibes your way.  May your feet glide over the roots, your headlamp shine the way, and your tater tots remain at the aid station.
Thanks for trying! 

I agree that the climb from Cibbets to Dales will be a big key.  I think it's a good thing that it's at night so it should be cool.  From that perspective, I'm most concerned about the climb out of Noble Canyon from Pine Creek to Penny Pines (miles 36-44), which will be right in the hottest part of the day.  Electrolyte balance and hydration will be key there.

 
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Just got my first run in since my recovery run with @Juxtatarot.  Noticed there was a group run for Global Running Day being put on by the same group that organized our relay and it was right next to my house.  Perfect chance to get out.

Just a 5K but it was stupid hot and humid today (90/70).  I've never done a group run before so this was kind of fun.  Kind of like a relaxed racing environment.  I wasn't too interested in going too fast and then ran into the guy I know who helped put on the relay (the one I saw at the water station during my 2nd leg and who ran with my team last year) and ran with him the last 2 miles.  That picked up the pace but it was fine.  Got to chat a bit and not think much about the run itself.

Toward the end of the run, the thunderstorms were moving in and the weather instantly changed from brutal hot/humid/no wind to this cold strong wind blowing and no sun.  It was crazy and felt so good.  Finished the 5K run, grabbed a little snack, then ran the rest of the way home.  The sudden downpour started as I was turning onto my street and driveway.  Couldn't have timed it any better. 

Happy Global Running Day, you BMFs.

 
Went out last night and decided to do the SLOW and steady “run” with 140 HR.  Holy crap, I did not enjoy that.  I’m painfully slow at that HR - like I could almost walk that fast.  But I did it.  I’m going to stick to it as best I can but I’m going to have to mix in some faster runs for my sanity.

 
Went out last night and decided to do the SLOW and steady “run” with 140 HR.  Holy crap, I did not enjoy that.  I’m painfully slow at that HR - like I could almost walk that fast.  But I did it.  I’m going to stick to it as best I can but I’m going to have to mix in some faster runs for my sanity.
It gets better and you will get quicker. Trust the process that gets everyone in here faster.

 
Here's yours truly crossing at 49:50 on the clock.
This made me go digging to see if there was a video of the finish line at the Calgary marathon, and there (kind of) was.  

But quite the contrast.

@gianmarco with great posture, looking fresh, and blowing by people like they're standing still.

I'm at the 4:06:16 point of the video (no consistent view of the race clock).  There's @Zasada with terrible posture, looking gassed, and plodding to the finish.  And #### in his pants.

At the 4:06:44 point there's some blue in the bottom-right corner of the video.  That's me, doubled-over, sucking wind.

 
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This made me go digging to see if there was a video of the finish line at the Calgary marathon, and there (kind of) was.  

But quite the contrast.

@gianmarco with great posture, looking fresh, and blowing by people like they're standing still.

I'm at the 4:06:16 point of the video (no consistent view of the race clock).  There's @Zasada with terrible posture, looking gassed, and plodding to the finish.  And #### in his pants.

At the 4:06:44 point there's some blue in the bottom-right corner of the video.  That's me, doubled-over, sucking wind.
First of all, you ran a marathon while I ran a 10K.  Big difference. Secondly, I wasn't running my race that hard so I was plenty fresh at the end.  That was a fun race for me.  No near death collapsing for me at the finish line.

That's cool to see, though.

 
Hi BMFs, been a while ...

TLDR - Im injured and whine a lot

Ive been fighting a couple of injuries the past month or so.  Ive not been looking forward to getting back to this thread as its hard for me to hear about all the work folks are putting in knowing I'm not able to, and how much I want to.  I also know this is rather selfish and petty and that part of it doesn't make me feel good.  I can say that reading @JShare87 RR has motivated me to try and get back to the chat.

A little more than a week before my planned run with @gianmarco I suffered a weird injury.  I was running intervals in my 2nd week of a build week which was the hardest ive ever worked out in my life.  I felt great.  During the run I knew I was working hard, but no indication that anything was amok.  Out of the blue my left leg just stopped firing.  When I say that, I mean there was no pop, no pain, no anything.  I literally looked down at my leg like WTF?  It was on the front of my leg, but not my quad, not my groin, but like a hip flexor.  After a couple seconds I could feel discomfort in that knee and weirdness in my hip.  I then cut it off to an endurance pace.  I kept up the jogish pace and the discomfort didn't go away.  I stopped and walked for a bit.  I hate walking.  Walking during a workout is the end of the world for me.  I kept that up for a few minutes and just jogged through it back to the office.

In making a long story not longer, I messed up my Hip Flexor (HF) or rectus femoris as my wife diagnosed.  Over the next week and a half a tried to run through it by reducing intensity and distance, taking extra time off, etc.  Nothing worked.  However, since I am an ego driven moron I kept the run with BMF.  I mean, I really really wanted to do it.  I was looking forward to it.  I decided I would take 600mg of Advil before the run and suffer whatever consequences came.  Not the smartest of choices but my hope was that it wouldn't make it worse.  The run was great (other than @gianmarco shoving me down at the end because he couldn't keep up) and the conversation was even better.  I was really glad that I did it and I wouldn't trade it at all.  While im sure the run didn't help my recovery, I don't think it made it worse.

Today is 4 weeks since the injury.  I still cant even skip around without feeling it.  On this past Sunday i tried to stretch it out for 25 min with the slowest possible pace I could run.  Literally I have never run with such a low HR.  After 12 minutes I could feel the HF and it 20 minutes it was a problem with manifesting pain in my knee (we believe this is due to compensation of the muscle issue).  Just a brutal let down feeling.

Gratitude:  I am grateful I can bike. I am grateful that after progress from 2nd injury I can swim.  Most importantly that I can get outside in this beautiful weather.  For about a week I couldnt workout at all and I was miserable.

Im supposed to have a family 5k run this weekend, not going to happen.  I supposed to have my first sprint tri of the season in 2 weeks on 6/16, WTF am I going to do?

More humbly, this has really messed up training schedule for my first Ironman Aug 18 in Mont-Tremblant.  For this race I need to swim 2.4 miles, bike 112 miles, and run 26.2.  This is a very hilly course.  To put my predicament into focus, I have biked longer than 70 miles once (last season).  I have never run farther than 14 miles in a single event.  My longest suffering race session is like 6 hours.  Needless to say my confidence is not high and frankly there is nothing I can do about it.  I feel not in control.

I have about 2 months to get this back on track and Im not confident its going to happen and that's killing me inside.  I put too much pressure on myself about failure.  Its like Jimmy Connors "I hate to lose more than I love to win".  I feel that once I commit to something, failure is not an option - like its the end of the world.  Like if I don't complete this it makes me a bad person or a failure as a person.  That trait is a positive most of the time in the drive to being successful, but in some instances, like this one where the commitment really isn't that important in the scheme of things, and where I don't really have any control in the situation, I cannot figure out how to let it go.  All I can think about is how do I still achieve my goal.

I know Im doing the right things.  I know Im doing that things I have control over.  Just the mental side of this is so very fatiguing for me.  It also makes me anti-social which is the opposite of my personality.  In addition, like 97% of the muscles in my body are hungry.  I actually feel very strong after every work out.  I feel like I want to go run right this second, maybe 2 runs.  But I cant.

PS - Ill get to my other freakish injury in another post.  Writing this one has taken enough out of me.

 
@JAA - really sorry to hear that.  The big thing I learned from my latest leg injury is to get the correct diagnosis and then stick to a recovery plan.  If you aren't making any progress keep talking to your doctors.  I think I got set back because I didn't push with my doctors and follow the recovery plan.  Good luck.

 
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Oh man. So sorry to hear @JAA. I feel bad now and really hope I didn't make things worse with my blistering speed. 

You can't race if you aren't healthy. I know it sucks, but get yourself well. I truly hope that happens with enough time for you to get to your goal race.

 
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I titled my run last night in Strava "Cheated".  I went out to the trail at the lake and decided I wanted to run "fast" - my legs felt good and it was a beautiful day that @JShare87 would have loved - think the temp was 85.  I started my watch but left Strava on my phone turned off while I did about a mile warmup.  Then I ran about 80-90% for as long as I could - when I couldn't run any more I would pause the app and then start it up again once I caught my breath.  I tried to keep my "rest" intervals to 30 sec or less - I didn't keep track of how many times I stopped but it was several.  Anyway, the goal (just goofing around) was to see how fast it would be and only count the running.  I basically ran 3.1 out of about 4.1 miles after my warmup and then I did 2 more miles of jogging/walking - totaled 7.1 miles.  Was able to do the 5k distance in 9:37/mi pace - still not close to most of you guys but I was really happy considering I'm old, not a runner and recovering from my leg injury.

I not only feel like a newbie, I really am - but I'm trying to start getting a base and see where it takes me.  I'm years and years behind most of you and honestly think I'd rather be like @-OZ- and @JAA and stick to tri's instead of just running but who knows.  I'm just happy to be back out and relatively healthy.

I think I need to work on my leg strength and just my general fitness - my breathing isn't too horrible but once I start running my HR skyrockets pretty quickly.  I'm guessing I need to do more longer, slower runs??
Running is hard on the body.  Swimming and biking is much less impactful.  Everyone starts somewhere, I started my first tri and finished 7th place in my Age Group.  When I type that it sounds great but I finished 7th out of 8 people and the 8th person DNF.

I couldnt just be a single discipline trainer, I would get bored.  I also would get bored if there wasnt room for improvement.  Having been doing this 3 years, I still have lots and lots and lots of room for improvement.

 
Running is hard on the body.  Swimming and biking is much less impactful.  Everyone starts somewhere, I started my first tri and finished 7th place in my Age Group.  When I type that it sounds great but I finished 7th out of 8 people and the 8th person DNF.

I couldnt just be a single discipline trainer, I would get bored.  I also would get bored if there wasnt room for improvement.  Having been doing this 3 years, I still have lots and lots and lots of room for improvement.
Yep - I've outlined in here over the years that individual sports were never my thing growing up - I love to swim and run, not so much bike as I don't have good places to do it and I'm fearful of riding on the road with cars.  I did a half IM 13+ years ago, one I wasn't really well prepared for.  I've done shorter distances a couple times since.  Those are a lot of fun and I want to get back to doing them.  I have a grand idea in my head that one day I maybe do another half but I'm not sure my body can handle the training.

 
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Yep - I've outlined in here over the years that individual sports were never my thing growing up - I love to swim and run, not so much bike as I don't have good places to do it and I'm fearful of riding on the road with cars.  I did a half IM 13+ years ago, one I wasn't really well prepared for.  I've done shorter distances a couple times since.  Those are a lot of fun and I want to get back to doing them.  I have a grand idea in my head that one day I maybe do another half but I'm not sure my body can handle the training.
I can garuntee you can handle the training.  I train with people of all levels.  Everyone can handle the load of training.  The hard part is setting expectations

Bike trainer:  https://www.rei.com/product/123033/wahoo-fitness-kickr-snap-power-bike-trainer

Here is a pic of me biking in the winter in the garage with plastic bags on my feet and a space heater blowing on the same feet:  https://www.strava.com/activities/1343583096

The only remaining item is finding a pool, masters class, maybe lessons.  I took lessons for my first 1.5 seasons.  They were a life-saver helping me with my form since I was one of these adult onset swimmers.

just... say... yes!

 
I can garuntee you can handle the training.  I train with people of all levels.  Everyone can handle the load of training.  The hard part is setting expectations

Bike trainer:  https://www.rei.com/product/123033/wahoo-fitness-kickr-snap-power-bike-trainer

Here is a pic of me biking in the winter in the garage with plastic bags on my feet and a space heater blowing on the same feet:  https://www.strava.com/activities/1343583096

The only remaining item is finding a pool, masters class, maybe lessons.  I took lessons for my first 1.5 seasons.  They were a life-saver helping me with my form since I was one of these adult onset swimmers.

just... say... yes!
Thanks - I think my biggest issue is just not having the cardio base for any of the 3 events.  I've spent a lot of time on diet and weight loss the last 2 years - I think I'm in a good spot to try and get a good fitness base and plan to focus on that the next 7 months.

 
@JAA - about twenty years ago, I spent time in an online forum related to day-trading stocks.  While I got pretty good at reading trading trends, what hurt me was the “pressure” from the forum to keep trading.  I kept trading instead of holding because that’s what “we” did.  (Fun fact: I almost bought some Amazon in its early years ...if I bought - and held - what I was considering, it’d be worth over $500K today).

My point is that you should not pressure yourself to rush back into training and races because of the implied expectations of a couple dozen guys here.  Figure out the problem and address it.  If you miss the Ironman, that would suck,  but extending yourself to a full IM with an injury would suck more.  You have plenty of years of racing left in you.  Take the long view, and get healthy.  We’ll find as much satisfaction in your recovery as we would a forced race.

And while I seem to be known around here as a foot guru, let me know if I can do anything with that rectus femoris because that sounds super intriguing.

 
@gruecd - I got the amp stick ...stopped home very briefly after dropping daughter and future SIL at the airport to pick up my gear and move to the south loop for a week to car-sit and workout on the lakefront.  So thanks!!! I’ll work to get it set up later next week.

 
@gruecd - I got the amp stick ...stopped home very briefly after dropping daughter and future SIL at the airport to pick up my gear and move to the south loop for a week to car-sit and workout on the lakefront.  So thanks!!! I’ll work to get it set up later next week.
Just FYI, I did check and if for some reason that one doesn’t work I have one you can try.  And if anyone else needs one just let me know - will give it to the first taker.

 
Thanks - I think my biggest issue is just not having the cardio base for any of the 3 events.  I've spent a lot of time on diet and weight loss the last 2 years - I think I'm in a good spot to try and get a good fitness base and plan to focus on that the next 7 months.
A sprint tri is 1-2 hours. If you know how to swim, which is sounds like you do, you will be surprised at how not-hard it is. 

Whatever you choose, best of luck 

 
@JAA - about twenty years ago, I spent time in an online forum related to day-trading stocks.  While I got pretty good at reading trading trends, what hurt me was the “pressure” from the forum to keep trading.  I kept trading instead of holding because that’s what “we” did.  (Fun fact: I almost bought some Amazon in its early years ...if I bought - and held - what I was considering, it’d be worth over $500K today).

My point is that you should not pressure yourself to rush back into training and races because of the implied expectations of a couple dozen guys here.  Figure out the problem and address it.  If you miss the Ironman, that would suck,  but extending yourself to a full IM with an injury would suck more.  You have plenty of years of racing left in you.  Take the long view, and get healthy.  We’ll find as much satisfaction in your recovery as we would a forced race.

And while I seem to be known around here as a foot guru, let me know if I can do anything with that rectus femoris because that sounds super intriguing.
Thank you

 
I was pretty busy this week so never checked in after relay.  The BMFs covered most of the highlights and lowlights already.  Big kudos to @gianmarco for owning that whole event - organizing it, getting the team together well in advance, dealing with the last minute changes, hosting the team at his house all weekend and running like a beast.  He took an extra day off work just to get the house ready and the team couldn't ask for a better host.  His family is beautiful and accommodations were fantastic.  Thanks much brother and let us know when we can return the favor. 

As innocent bystander, I got to observe the ebb of energy over the day.  After running one of those legs in that heat, it's a wonder that anyone could muster the energy to do that third leg, but that's what this team does.    I can only echo the testimonies of the guts and focus of this crew. From runner 1 to runner 6, it was a great group to be around.  

 It will be interesting to see if they replicate this format in the future, or go back to the point to point with vans, but as my first time at one of these events, it was an interesting format and a far cry from the 5K's that I usually do.  One of these days, I'll have to do a relay when I can confidently crank out 10+ miles. 

 
A sprint tri is 1-2 hours. If you know how to swim, which is sounds like you do, you will be surprised at how not-hard it is. 

Whatever you choose, best of luck 
Oh, I could go finish one this weekend but my times would he slow.  My last sprint was 2 years ago after I lost a lot of weight.  There’s a sprint series in the local GA State Parks that I’ve done some of - I want to do the full series next summer.  I just never have the base implemented and stick to it.  I let the work go to waste.

 
In Minnesota right now. Beautiful weather. I may or may not run in the next ten days. Brought running gear, so I probably will enjoy those 50 degree mornings and run 3-4 times.

Son caught a 3 pound bass today. We are gonna catch a couple more tomorrow and eat em.

I’m drunk. Good night,.

 
The wife and I are doing a 5K tomorrow night, and as long as my legs feel OK and it's not too hot, I'll probably race.  
Yeah, so I raced.  Got there around 5:45, got my bib, and shortly thereafter got going with my 1.5-mile warmup run and strides, thinking the race started at 6:15.  Nope, that was the kids' 1K race, with the real race starting at 6:30.  Great, now my routine is all messed up...

Three of us lined up at the front.  One guy was wearing the same orange Vaporflys as me, and he looked fast.  Gun went off, and he was gone with the quickness, leaving me to fight for second place.  A couple of people hung with me for maybe the first 3/4-mile or so, but then I was all alone.  Went through the first mile at 6:04, and by the time I hit the turnaround, 3rd-place guy was a solid 30 seconds behind me.  Felt OK through mile 2 (6:12), but then with first place out of sight and third place waaaay behind me, it got hard to really push through the pain. Definitely let off the gas a bit in the 3rd mile (6:15), but I did manage to get down under 6-minute pace for the last tenth, finishing in 19:08.  

First place SMOKED everybody, finishing in 16:52, and third place was almost a minute behind me at 19:59.  I know I could have pushed harder if I'd had someone pushing me for 2nd place, but given the humidity and temps in the 60s, I'll take it.

 
@gruecd - I got the amp stick ...stopped home very briefly after dropping daughter and future SIL at the airport to pick up my gear and move to the south loop for a week to car-sit and workout on the lakefront.  So thanks!!! I’ll work to get it set up later next week.
Glad you got it.  Also, funny that someone would ask somebody to stay at their house for a week just to watch their car... ;)

 

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