Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

[D_House]

Thanks for the welcome everyone and d’oh should have juat googled higdon and 5K, thought it was just marathon plans.

 

[-OZ-]

BMF is a verb now?

BMFing?  Or did you mean the noun form -- BMFery?

This https://amp.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/bad-moms.html comes to mind with BMFing. 

Where do we sign up?

 

[beer 30]

@tri-man 47

Sounds like the HR monitor may not have been accurate. Only thing I can think of. But still a solid performance on tired legs. Well done, TechMaster.

If you're using a watch for HR this would be my guess too but you already know that. 95% I've never had a reason to question mine but every once in a while they get wonky for some reason and read goofy. Don't really pay attention to it now like I used to but on the occasion I do look it seems to be right where I would expect it to be.

We don’t have canine teeth to tear apart plants. 

This should be a #######' plaque  BRILLIANT!

 

[JAA]

Two more weeks and I start a 2 week taper!!!

 

[JAA]

@JShare87 is or was I think. 

Unrelated, you’ve have been having a huge June/July @JAA.  Great stuff. 

Huge as in I’ve gained like 12lbs since last year this time?  Or like 5 lbs in the past week eating so much ?

Full disclosure I’m putting on mostly muscle, but it’s making my footprint bigger.  Im stronger definitely, but can’t tell if I’m faster. I guess I’m fed faster/stronger on the bike but not so much on the swim and run. I’m thinking that I need to find a way to cut some saturated fats. 

I eat healthy. I don’t really eat any processed food. My issue is quantity. I just love eating #fatandfabulous

 

[JAA]

Hemingway Running of the Bulls 8K 

2) I'm totally confused by the HR.  How can I be working so hard, and totally sucking wind in the final mile, while my HR stays low?  How did it not climb into the 170s for most of the race?  What's wrong with this picture?    

This is exactly what happens when you are fatigued. Your engine can’t push out enough rpms to get you going. Since your rpms aren’t high, your HR is low. 

 

[JAA]

I am a Vegan and have been for almost 2 years because of something similar to what you’re describing. Before my second marathon (the infamous BMF one), I decided to go full Vegan starting January 1st leading up to the race in early March. I had previous experience with it before. My first experience was something similar to what @MAC_32 was warning you about. I would eat non-nutritional food so it didn’t work out too well.

Going into my 2nd marathon, I knew I had to eat organic, nutritional foods. After the marathon, I planned to go back to eating meat. The results and overall feeling of good health made me stay Vegan. I am now a Vegan for different reasons. I slack off now and eat bad foods like everyone else, they’re just not at the expense of animals. Leading up to my marathon, I will be cutting out all the bad food and focus on organic foods that provide nutritional value.  

To answer your 2 questions:

1. You can do anything if you really want to. Just make sure you get your protein, ain’t that right, @gruecd? 

2. I think you need to be careful trying to drop pounds. If it is for your health, that’s fine. But if this is prep leading up to a race, you need to watch yourself trying to lose too much weight. One thing I’m learning is that the weight will drop a bit because of the miles and training. I became obsessed with losing weight before my first marathon and I think it led to an overall feeling of being weak and almost sick. 

Hope some of this helps. If you have any questions, I’m here to help!

Thanks. 

For the lbs I’m looking to force myself to not have 2 kielbasa and instead have an extra serving of rice and beans. More food and calories, just much less saturated fat. 

I have no idea what will happen. I’m guessing I’ll lean up some, but I do need to keep the energy levels high. The good thing is that it won’t be leading up to a race, more off season work. 

Thanks, I may reach out for some BMF recipes. 

 

[JShare87]

Thanks. 

For the lbs I’m looking to force myself to not have 2 kielbasa and instead have an extra serving of rice and beans. More food and calories, just much less saturated fat. 

I have no idea what will happen. I’m guessing I’ll lean up some, but I do need to keep the energy levels high. The good thing is that it won’t be leading up to a race, more off season work. 

Thanks, I may reach out for some BMF recipes. 

If overeating is an issue, check out intermittent fasting. On top of being Vegan, I also only eat one huge meal a day. Before I started this journey, I was 235 pounds. Overeating was my biggest issue. 3 years ago, I started doing IF to combat that. The best thing about it was the lifestyle change. Good luck on whatever road you decide to take. 

 

[gianmarco]

#fatandfabulous

I can attest. And definitely fabulous.

 

[AAABatteries]

Last night headed out for an expected 6.6 miles - got 4.5 miles in and the heavens opened up.  Ran 2 miles in a thunderstorm.  Wife called me twice to make sure she didn’t need to come get me.  I was trying to do MAF but with the storm I picked up the pace and got it done.  Was absolutely soaked- basically like I jumped in the pool dressed.

Today did 8.25 with fartleks during the 2nd loop.  Considered a 3rd loop but was spent after .5 mile and called it off.

 

[SFBayDuck]

This is exactly what happens when you are fatigued. Your engine can’t push out enough rpms to get you going. Since your rpms aren’t high, your HR is low. 

That’s my guess, too. General fatigue can suppress HR even at high RPE. 

 

[gianmarco]

This is exactly what happens when you are fatigued. Your engine can’t push out enough rpms to get you going. Since your rpms aren’t high, your HR is low. 

But would he still feel like he's working hard and "sucking wind" in that situation?

 

[BassNBrew]

I need to stop weather watching. Every day the high temperature moves up a degree.   Moved from 82 to 88 over the last 7 days. Gonna predict 93

 

[BassNBrew]

Does deck building count as cross training?

 

[MAC_32]

I need to stop weather watching. Every day the high temperature moves up a degree.   Moved from 82 to 88 over the last 7 days. Gonna predict 93

I dont know if its nws or local, but it's what they do around here. Lowball the long range, over correct about 5-7 days out, then slowly normalize thereafter. 

 

[ChiefD]

‘

This is exactly what happens when you are fatigued. Your engine can’t push out enough rpms to get you going. Since your rpms aren’t high, your HR is low. 

BS. All of it.

Meg must have been glorious. @tri-man 47 exerted a lot of energy with her. Dude was smitten, plain and simple.

He spent 3 extra seconds looking at her tight butt and nice legs. Nice work old man! 

 

[SFBayDuck]

‘

BS. All of it.

Meg must have been glorious. @tri-man 47 exerted a lot of energy with her. Dude was smitten, plain and simple.

He spent 3 extra seconds looking at her tight butt and nice legs. Nice work old man! 

#science

 

[Zasada]

If overeating is an issue, check out intermittent fasting. On top of being Vegan, I also only eat one huge meal a day. Before I started this journey, I was 235 pounds. Overeating was my biggest issue. 3 years ago, I started doing IF to combat that. The best thing about it was the lifestyle change. Good luck on whatever road you decide to take. 

I've been on the one-meal-a-day plan for about the last 15 years.  I'll still eat breakfast or lunch if there are social reasons to do so.  But generally it's a gigantic dinner and that's it.  

Lost almost 50lbs with that plan until I cut sugar from my diet as well (plus hiking/running) and then lost some more.  I'm down about 70lbs from my peak now, rocking the POW-camp physique.

 

[gruecd]

Looking to get back into shape after a 9 year hiatus from any significant running, or really any consistent exercise up until the past 6 months when I got a gym membership and started doing bike and treadmill in addition to weight training.

This place was an incredible resource and supportive community when I last posted in the now-archived version of this thread in 2010 during training for my first (and only) marathon. Siince then, life (medical school, residency, and two kids) has gotten in the way of things and I haven’t been taking care of my health like I should. I’m a good 10-15 lbs heavier than when I ran that marathon and as part of a weight loss plan have decided to start training for a 5K on October 26th.

I’m not too badly out of shape as I can do 3 miles on the treadmill at around 10:30 pace but I haven’t hit the road in maybe 3 years. I’ll start road running next weekend (still suffering with the high humidity in the NE). 

So I guess my first question is if anyone has experience with a good 5K training plan for more intermediate runners (IE not a couch to 5K plan). I never used a training plan for 5Ks in the past but I followed the Hal Higdon plan for the marathon and having a plan just worked for me.

Welcome, @D_House!  Good luck with the journey back!

 

[gruecd]

No other runners were around me at the finish.  But when I saw the posted results before the awards presentation, I saw another AGer had beaten me by 3 seconds.  #@$#^#  I couldn't find 3 seconds?  That's one problem with chip timing.  He didn't start near me (I'd looked around), and therefore didn't finish near me. 

Ugh.  That's the worst.  But still, congrats on yet another podium!

 

[MAC_32]

@BassNBrew, Weather Underground likes your forecast a nose more than what you're seeing

As is standard around here, as the temp goes up the dew point usually goes the other way. Currently forecasting a peak suck of about 145, it's just gonna hold in that range from 11 am - 8 pm. Good thing with this race is the amount of shade, but I am concerned most of the stretch from miles 44-58 isn't.

 

[gruecd]

Aborted. Might be hotter in this ####### gym than it is outside. Since I’m not on an actual schedule yet, I’m prob just gonna wait until Monday morning for the long run and hit the Pettit at 5:30am before work. It’s closed this weekend for an Irish ####### Dance Competition... 

So...

I wake up yesterday morning, and temps are only mid-60s, so despite the "thick" air (94% relative humidity), I decide to take another crack at the 15-miler.  My body feels like crap from the jump, and after just a couple of miles I'm already SOAKED from the sweat.  I'm running 8-8:30 pace, but I feel like I'm working WAY harder than that.  I'm within about a half mile of my house when I hit the 10K mark, and I honestly can't fathom grinding through another 9 miles.  I quit and walk back to the house.

Fast forward about 12 hours.  I'm back at home after driving 3 hours round-trip for a client appreciation event that I held at the Brewers' Class-A affiliate up in Appleton.  I've consumed a couple of brats, a half-dozen cookies, a couple of beers, and close to two pints of ice cream.  Despite all of this, and despite having already crashed and burned on the 10K in the morning, I decide that it's a good idea to head back out.  Dew point is similar to the morning, but it's warmer now (76° when I started), so the relative humidity is lower.  I can tell from the beginning that my body feels much better, and after clocking 8:06 for my first mile, I settle into the 7:40s, and this time it feels like I'm running slower.  I'm still sweating like crazy, and it's still not really evaporating, but this time I don't overheat.  I stop to re-fill my water bottle at 7.5 miles and again at 12.5 miles, and I finish strong, hitting my fastest split (7:15) on the last mile.  Overall pace averaged a solid 7:41.

Somebody help me make sense of this.  Obviously the fueling for the evening run was terrible, and yet the run went so much better.  Was it the lower relative humidy?  The time of day?  Stupid luck?

 

[Zasada]

Somebody help me make sense of this.

I'll let the experts (not me) chime-in on this but I attribute it to BMF.  

Aren't brats for Wisconsinites like spinach for Popeye?  Could be that, too.

Regardless, kudos not only for the great run but getting out there again after a bad experience earlier in the day.  That's .

 

[gianmarco]

I'll let the experts (not me) chime-in on this but I attribute it to BMF.  

Aren't brats for Wisconsinites like spinach for Popeye?  Could be that, too.

Regardless, kudos not only for the great run but getting out there again after a bad experience earlier in the day.  That's .

This is what I was going to say.

Honestly, neither of those temps or dew points are THAT bad.  You've run in both before.   I know you're not used to it, but not to the point where it affects you that much on a regular long run for you.  Probably just something in the morning (dehydrated, lack of sleep, lack of fuel, etc.) and it just wasn't your morning.  Getting back out there after that, though, is big time and you nailed it.  That's awesome. 

 

[Zasada]

GD I don't want to be at work right now.  Weather is finally turning really nice, not a cloud in the sky, and I'm mentally ready to go try to tackle my sub-50-minute goal for Prairie Mountain (which is 2 minutes faster than my PR and feels akin to pulling 2 minutes off my 10K, so it's going to be hard).  

Yet I'm sitting on my ### drinking tea in my office.  ARGH.

 

[ChiefD]

So...

I wake up yesterday morning, and temps are only mid-60s, so despite the "thick" air (94% relative humidity), I decide to take another crack at the 15-miler.  My body feels like crap from the jump, and after just a couple of miles I'm already SOAKED from the sweat.  I'm running 8-8:30 pace, but I feel like I'm working WAY harder than that.  I'm within about a half mile of my house when I hit the 10K mark, and I honestly can't fathom grinding through another 9 miles.  I quit and walk back to the house.

Fast forward about 12 hours.  I'm back at home after driving 3 hours round-trip for a client appreciation event that I held at the Brewers' Class-A affiliate up in Appleton.  I've consumed a couple of brats, a half-dozen cookies, a couple of beers, and close to two pints of ice cream.  Despite all of this, and despite having already crashed and burned on the 10K in the morning, I decide that it's a good idea to head back out.  Dew point is similar to the morning, but it's warmer now (76° when I started), so the relative humidity is lower.  I can tell from the beginning that my body feels much better, and after clocking 8:06 for my first mile, I settle into the 7:40s, and this time it feels like I'm running slower.  I'm still sweating like crazy, and it's still not really evaporating, but this time I don't overheat.  I stop to re-fill my water bottle at 7.5 miles and again at 12.5 miles, and I finish strong, hitting my fastest split (7:15) on the last mile.  Overall pace averaged a solid 7:41.

Somebody help me make sense of this.  Obviously the fueling for the evening run was terrible, and yet the run went so much better.  Was it the lower relative humidy?  The time of day?  Stupid luck?

I remember when I first started running years ago. There would be some Sundays where I'd watch football and drink a few beers. I'd go out for a run on some of those evenings and just a nice relaxing run due to my mind and body just being chilled out.

My guess is your mind was just freed up and you just ran with little expectations due to the fact that you ate and drank whatever all day.  

 

[MAC_32]

So...

I wake up yesterday morning, and temps are only mid-60s, so despite the "thick" air (94% relative humidity), I decide to take another crack at the 15-miler.  My body feels like crap from the jump, and after just a couple of miles I'm already SOAKED from the sweat.  I'm running 8-8:30 pace, but I feel like I'm working WAY harder than that.  I'm within about a half mile of my house when I hit the 10K mark, and I honestly can't fathom grinding through another 9 miles.  I quit and walk back to the house.

Fast forward about 12 hours.  I'm back at home after driving 3 hours round-trip for a client appreciation event that I held at the Brewers' Class-A affiliate up in Appleton.  I've consumed a couple of brats, a half-dozen cookies, a couple of beers, and close to two pints of ice cream.  Despite all of this, and despite having already crashed and burned on the 10K in the morning, I decide that it's a good idea to head back out.  Dew point is similar to the morning, but it's warmer now (76° when I started), so the relative humidity is lower.  I can tell from the beginning that my body feels much better, and after clocking 8:06 for my first mile, I settle into the 7:40s, and this time it feels like I'm running slower.  I'm still sweating like crazy, and it's still not really evaporating, but this time I don't overheat.  I stop to re-fill my water bottle at 7.5 miles and again at 12.5 miles, and I finish strong, hitting my fastest split (7:15) on the last mile.  Overall pace averaged a solid 7:41.

Somebody help me make sense of this.  Obviously the fueling for the evening run was terrible, and yet the run went so much better.  Was it the lower relative humidy?  The time of day?  Stupid luck?

I don't have anything scientific, but what you experienced has also contributed to me dealing with the warmer temps later in the day. I did 5 easy miles Friday morning in 79/72 to beat the heat (because unlike most days around here we weren't also getting an afternoon dew point break) and was more soaked than when I did 10 difficult'ish trail miles in 90/70 14 hours earlier. I was laughing 2-3 miles in with how disgusting I was/felt.

We all talk about the suck around here and I think it's the best objective measure of running conditions, but I think there's still some nuance to it. Not all suck's are created equal.

 

[bushdocda]

@Zasada nailed it with da power of the brats. Let’s not overthink this. 

 

[bushdocda]

Was back in the gym this morn following it being under some construction. So in need of more gym time so I’m committing to Monday and Friday shorter runs to get those 2x days to do some sqwats and swings and stuff done. My legs and core need help to support the 40ish miles/week I’ve been on. Ive normalized the volume/time in some ways but my legs feel it. Will lose a few weekly miles for the next ~6 weeks but should be more stable for the ~13 week focused push to 26.2 in Dec. 

 

[MAC_32]

Was back in the gym this morn following it being under some construction. So in need of more gym time so I’m committing to Monday and Friday shorter runs to get those 2x days to do some sqwats and swings and stuff done. My legs and core need help to support the 40ish miles/week I’ve been on. Ive normalized the volume/time in some ways but my legs feel it. Will lose a few weekly miles for the next ~6 weeks but should be more stable for the ~13 week focused push to 26.2 in Dec. 

You may surprise yourself and get back to 40ish mpw well before August is over.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't have anything scientific, but what you experienced has also contributed to me dealing with the warmer temps later in the day. I did 5 easy miles Friday morning in 79/72 to beat the heat (because unlike most days around here we weren't also getting an afternoon dew point break) and was more soaked than when I did 10 difficult'ish trail miles in 90/70 14 hours earlier. I was laughing 2-3 miles in with how disgusting I was/felt.

We all talk about the suck around here and I think it's the best objective measure of running conditions, but I think there's still some nuance to it. Not all suck's are created equal.

I've had the same thing. I wanted to post the same thought when I mentioned that one run that felt awful even that I aborted even though I had no reason to struggle and had run in much worse. 

Chalk it up to it just happens and/or the numbers don't always tell the full story.

 

[MAC_32]

I've had the same thing. I wanted to post the same thought when I mentioned that one run that felt awful even that I aborted even though I had no reason to struggle and had run in much worse. 

Chalk it up to it just happens and/or the numbers don't always tell the full story.

I was amazed with how comfortable I was in sunny 88/67 on a track 12 days ago. I mean, it wasn't - but I expected it to be 40 mins of hell in a scheduled 45 minute workout. 42% humidity led to a different story. Experienced something similar in a sunny 85/64 last Monday.  Despite running 8 days in a row and SoS 3 of the last 5 I easy ran a sub 8 pace. And 46% humidity played a role. Now, part of it was all the alcohol consumed Saturday, but yesterday's sunny 81/70 in 73% humidity was much more uncomfortable. First run I've cut short (just a mile) all summer. I could have finished, but I was working too hard for an easy run - so, get a little less out of yesterday to try to get a little more out of today.

But all 3 of those runs, among others, were within 6 suck's of each other. And the hardest have been in cooler temp's - and more humidity.

 

[The Iguana]

I've been on the one-meal-a-day plan for about the last 15 years.  I'll still eat breakfast or lunch if there are social reasons to do so.  But generally it's a gigantic dinner and that's it.  

Lost almost 50lbs with that plan until I cut sugar from my diet as well (plus hiking/running) and then lost some more.  I'm down about 70lbs from my peak now, rocking the POW-camp physique.

Given your recent stories and description above, maybe you should eat a cheeseburger or 6....

 

[tri-man 47]

So...

I wake up yesterday morning, and temps are only mid-60s, so despite the "thick" air (94% relative humidity), I decide to take another crack at the 15-miler.  My body feels like crap from the jump, and after just a couple of miles I'm already SOAKED from the sweat.  I'm running 8-8:30 pace, but I feel like I'm working WAY harder than that.  I'm within about a half mile of my house when I hit the 10K mark, and I honestly can't fathom grinding through another 9 miles.  I quit and walk back to the house.

Fast forward about 12 hours.  I'm back at home after driving 3 hours round-trip for a client appreciation event that I held at the Brewers' Class-A affiliate up in Appleton.  I've consumed a couple of brats, a half-dozen cookies, a couple of beers, and close to two pints of ice cream.  Despite all of this, and despite having already crashed and burned on the 10K in the morning, I decide that it's a good idea to head back out.  Dew point is similar to the morning, but it's warmer now (76° when I started), so the relative humidity is lower.  I can tell from the beginning that my body feels much better, and after clocking 8:06 for my first mile, I settle into the 7:40s, and this time it feels like I'm running slower.  I'm still sweating like crazy, and it's still not really evaporating, but this time I don't overheat.  I stop to re-fill my water bottle at 7.5 miles and again at 12.5 miles, and I finish strong, hitting my fastest split (7:15) on the last mile.  Overall pace averaged a solid 7:41.

Somebody help me make sense of this.  Obviously the fueling for the evening run was terrible, and yet the run went so much better.  Was it the lower relative humidy?  The time of day?  Stupid luck?

I'd expect a lot of it was the lower relative humidity.  The food and drink might actually have helped to fuel you up (given that you weren't running a hard pace).  But you might have been stressed by the timing, knowing you had an event that day.  I tend to run better, it seems, when I don't have half an eye on the clock.

 

[The Iguana]

I've been thinking about getting up and running more in the mornings during the week but I just don't quite have the motivation to get out of bed that early. Today is a wacky day schedule wise so after being a little lazy this morning I got to go out for a run before taking my kid for a back to school doctor's appointment... I kind of liked it and love getting out for an early run on Saturday's but not sure it will become a regular weekday occurrence.

 

[The Iguana]

Also, getting on the scale this morning after a long weekend of free eating/drinking, I did one of these a bit...  :X  Not quite the guilt free experience as I hoped, but the food and beer were both awesome and totally worth a slight setback in the weight department. 

 

[Zasada]

Given your recent stories and description above, maybe you should eat a cheeseburger or 6....

Yeah, if I eat more I just add fat.  Need to get going with the weights to add the good kind of mass...

 

[Zasada]

I've been thinking about getting up and running more in the mornings during the week but I just don't quite have the motivation to get out of bed that early. Today is a wacky day schedule wise so after being a little lazy this morning I got to go out for a run before taking my kid for a back to school doctor's appointment... I kind of liked it and love getting out for an early run on Saturday's but not sure it will become a regular weekday occurrence.

Morning running is the best!  Put it in the rear-view mirror and it doesn't dominate planning the rest of your day...

 

[gianmarco]

Morning running is the best!  Put it in the rear-view mirror and it doesn't dominate planning the rest of your day...

This is so true. Other than it sucks.

 

[Brony]

This is so true. Other than it sucks.

Not all sucks are created equal. 

 

[The Iguana]

Morning running is the best!  Put it in the rear-view mirror and it doesn't dominate planning the rest of your day...

I love getting out early on a Saturday for my long runs and then there's just kind of a peaceful feeling the rest of the day. Same thing when I went out for 8 miles first thing in the morning while on vacation. I just can't get myself motivated to get up extra early and go out during the week before going to work. 

 

[ChiefD]

I love getting out early on a Saturday for my long runs and then there's just kind of a peaceful feeling the rest of the day. Same thing when I went out for 8 miles first thing in the morning while on vacation. I just can't get myself motivated to get up extra early and go out during the week before going to work. 

This is me. There is no way I could do this everyday. I would have to get up at 4:00 am all week, and with 3 loud kids who don't go to bed in the summer til about 10:00, I simply cannot function on 5-6 hours a sleep at night.

The more I think about it, and the more this last week of weather reminded me, I'm not sure I can do Chicago in 2020. I don't think I can train in this weather all summer. If I'm gonna do a marathon it will have to be a spring marathon again.

 

[Brony]

I've made the switch back to running every day.  This is where I was at before arthritis diagnosis and pre-steroid injections.  (In theory, the injections should have allowed me to run everyday, but I never got to this point cause I was locked in on every other day pattern). Anyway, back in 2017 when I was in good running shape, I was doing daily and staying less than 5 miles each day.  I'm back to that and we'll see how it goes.  My calf isn't loving this, but it's the devil I know and I'm tolerating it through icing and NSAIDs.  Next MD appt is mid September. 

I've been behaving pretty well on the diet front and down 7 lbs since July 1.  I would like to get down another 7 or 8 before races in Sept.  I have to contend with week vacation in August and I'm hoping to stay even during that week.  The weight loss is helping overall willingness to train harder.  But, dieting does suck and it's a lot less fun than not dieting. 

 

[MAC_32]

This is me. There is no way I could do this everyday. I would have to get up at 4:00 am all week, and with 3 loud kids who don't go to bed in the summer til about 10:00, I simply cannot function on 5-6 hours a sleep at night.

The more I think about it, and the more this last week of weather reminded me, I'm not sure I can do Chicago in 2020. I don't think I can train in this weather all summer. If I'm gonna do a marathon it will have to be a spring marathon again.

Sufficient rest is of great importance for a successful training cycle. I don't think I posted about it in here, but I actually tried changing to an earlier bed time in hopes this may become routine.  It isn't in the cards.  Anytime I go to sleep before 10 I am awake for 1-3 hours in the middle of the night and cannot get back to sleep. My body wants to sleep from 11-7 and I'm not going to fight it; I'll adapt. And an earlier wake up call without enough sleep isn't the right answer.  Get the full night of sleep then figure out when to run that day.

 

[MAC_32]

Yeah, if I eat more I just add fat.  Need to get going with the weights to add the good kind of mass...

Here's the thing - you need to add fat before you can add muscle. So while it was said in jest more cheeseburgers would probably be a good thing given your current frame if your objective is to add more strength.

 

[Zasada]

I would have to get up at 4:00 am all week, and with 3 loud kids who don't go to bed in the summer til about 10:00, I simply cannot function on 5-6 hours a sleep at night.

Yeah, my situation is not the norm.  No kids, and I have no problem going to bed/sleep at 7:30 (usually get up at 0400 on run mornings and 0300 on long run mornings).

If running in the morning meant 5-6 hours of sleep, I wouldn't be running in the mornings, either.  Or running at all.

 

[The Iguana]

This is me. There is no way I could do this everyday. I would have to get up at 4:00 am all week, and with 3 loud kids who don't go to bed in the summer til about 10:00, I simply cannot function on 5-6 hours a sleep at night.

The more I think about it, and the more this last week of weather reminded me, I'm not sure I can do Chicago in 2020. I don't think I can train in this weather all summer. If I'm gonna do a marathon it will have to be a spring marathon again.

Thing is, I could really do it if I wanted to. I changed roles at work a bit ago so getting into the office at 7/7:30 isn't really required anymore. I could still get up with my wife at the normal time, go for a run, then go into work a little later than my "norm". But just not sure I'm up for that. Right now when the days are hot, maybe it would be better. Later when it is colder and darker, I'm sure I'd just start hitting the snooze. 

 

[tri-man 47]

Yeah, my situation is not the norm.  No kids, and I have no problem going to bed/sleep at 7:30 (usually get up at 0400 on run mornings and 0300 on long run mornings).

If running in the morning meant 5-6 hours of sleep, I wouldn't be running in the mornings, either.  Or running at all.

I can't believe how many years I'd be up at 5:30 am every day to start a run workout by 6:30 am so I could be at my office desk by 8:30 am.  This included years with my doctoral program when I'd often be researching/writing papers until midnight or beyond.  My saving grace is I'm an excellent 15-20 minute napper (I don't drink coffee).  But I know some of our morning runners are up-and-out early like that.  Now, with a more flexible academic schedule, I usually get about 8 hours sleep, waking up whenever I stir, which is around 6:30-7:00 am.  

 

[AAABatteries]

I love getting out early on a Saturday for my long runs and then there's just kind of a peaceful feeling the rest of the day. Same thing when I went out for 8 miles first thing in the morning while on vacation. I just can't get myself motivated to get up extra early and go out during the week before going to work. 

Same here.  I frequently get out by 6 or 7 to go run/hike on the weekends but I'm not going to get up at 4 or 5 to get a run in and still make it to the office by 8 or 9.  Part of that is because my commute sucks and I pretty much have to be in by 9 (or sometimes earlier for meetings).  Years ago when I was at a different office would go swim before work as the pool I went to was in the same complex.  It was great - I used to love how I felt the rest of the day after swimming.

 

[The Iguana]

Same here.  I frequently get out by 6 or 7 to go run/hike on the weekends but I'm not going to get up at 4 or 5 to get a run in and still make it to the office by 8 or 9.  Part of that is because my commute sucks and I pretty much have to be in by 9 (or sometimes earlier for meetings).  Years ago when I was at a different office would go swim before work as the pool I went to was in the same complex.  It was great - I used to love how I felt the rest of the day after swimming.

Part of my lack of motivation to get up that early is that we have cross-fit classes offered in the gym in the office over lunch and I have flexibility with scheduling. I can take a slightly long lunch and go run 5 miles in the middle of the day, then come back and shower and go back to work. Days that I do that I just eat/work at my desk afterwards.