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You have bike and tri history. I'm talking people who have only done a marathon and start thinking about the next challenge without really thinking about it.

And slap it low re swimming. Didn't matter how much I swam (which wasn't much, and only started in earnest- laps and whatnot more than floating with a cocktail- with the Tris)...I could swim the distance eventually, but couldn't get faster- even with coaching. I was a 45ish 1/2 im swimmer and did the full in 1:20 something. Realized I have zero flexibility throughout- especially shoulders- so can't get long and straight in the water...I'm like a floating/sinking U.

Iirc, we were advised to stop taking nutrition in about 20-30 mins before end of bike...fwiw.
That was definitely my buddy and me back in 09. I had done some biking but nothing major, and swam in high school, water polo in college (club team) but hadn't trained at all since then. Buddy couldn't even swim. I literally taught him front crawl maybe 3 months before the 70.3. He did side stroke through much of the race. 

We survived the half. Don't know if we would have finished the full at that point. But still, good times. I miss those days, camping in the trailer before races, not having a clue what we were doing. 🥴

 
Who's watching the Olympic Marathon Trials in Atlanta on Saturday? The wife is out of town all weekend so it's a Saturday of long cycling, recovery run, nap and beer/taking my first crack at wheel building while watching the trials.

I'm super interested to see what ultra-marathoner Jim Walmsley can do in his first ever marathon. I think he's got what it takes but as this is about beating other runners and not just a time it will all depend on how fast everyone else goes out and how aggressive he wants to be. Here are a few articles for the unfamiliar:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a30858395/jim-walmsley-olympic-marathon-trials/

https://www.si.com/edge/2020/02/06/jim-walmsley-ultrarunner-diet-nutrition

https://www.outsideonline.com/2094661/jim-walmsleys-insane-day-western-states

https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/jim-walmsley-ultramarathon-marathon-olympic-trials-atlanta.html

 
Who's watching the Olympic Marathon Trials in Atlanta on Saturday? The wife is out of town all weekend so it's a Saturday of long cycling, recovery run, nap and beer/taking my first crack at wheel building while watching the trials.

I'm super interested to see what ultra-marathoner Jim Walmsley can do in his first ever marathon. I think he's got what it takes but as this is about beating other runners and not just a time it will all depend on how fast everyone else goes out and how aggressive he wants to be. Here are a few articles for the unfamiliar:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a30858395/jim-walmsley-olympic-marathon-trials/

https://www.si.com/edge/2020/02/06/jim-walmsley-ultrarunner-diet-nutrition

https://www.outsideonline.com/2094661/jim-walmsleys-insane-day-western-states

https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/jim-walmsley-ultramarathon-marathon-olympic-trials-atlanta.html
@gianmarco and @gruecd are nerding out and will be in attendance #jealous

 
Muahaha - heaven forbid something just "worked" without tinkering. I think A) Strava does not play nice with my chest HR monitor and B) I hadn't "pre"-setup it to link with Apple Health / Watch so when I did after the fact all of a sudden there are two of me. 
Strava won't work with chest straps directly anymore.  You need to use the native app for the chest strap (Wahoo, Garmin, Polar, etc) to record the activity and then have that app link to Strava to upload the activity and the data.  

 
I'm rooting for Galen Rupp.  Same height as me.  We would be the same weight if I ate a little better (I have maybe 6 or 7 pounds on him).  Both of us have/had (he had surgery) a Haglund's deformity bump on our left heel. 

He's a bit faster though.

Edit:  Also I always have a soft spot for fellow pp's.

 
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I'm rooting for Christine Ramsey she made a big enough impression on me that I mentioned her in two race reports back in 2018.

Mile 2

I found myself behind the female leader and she seemed to be under control with her pacing so I followed her. She wasn't built like a typical runner, she was short and had a powerful athletic build. I was thinking at the time that I was going to have a difficult time keeping up with her on the hill in mile 3. I was feeling as good as one could expect at this point and I think I did a good job in the first 2 miles of taking advantage of the net downhill first two miles without overdoing it. We got to the 2nd mile marker at 5:42 Avg HR 176 Avg Power 359 Watts.

Mile 3

Last year I ran the first two miles a little too fast, and mile 3 was soul crushing. It sucks when you smoked in a race before the midway point and running a long uphill. This year I was feeling strong and if anything overdid it a bit here. Within the first 100 meters if the hill I passed the female leader and the guy next to her.
At the start of mile 3 I caught up to the female runner that I paced off of in the 5 miler I ran back in February, she ended up being the 4th female overall in this race.
 
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The schedule still may cause me to miss this, but I didn't realize the start time is noon est. We have afternoon plans, but now I'm wondering if I can drag things out so we don't leave until closer to 3.

 
I'm rooting for Galen Rupp.  Same height as me.  We would be the same weight if I ate a little better (I have maybe 6 or 7 pounds on him).  Both of us have/had (he had surgery) a Haglund's deformity bump on our left heel. 

He's a bit faster though.

Edit:  Also I always have a soft spot for fellow pp's.
Except he's a cheater (allegedly...or at least guilty by association), and you're not (as far as I know).

 
I'm rooting for me in my 5K.
Me too. And speaking of which, I ran some roughly 400's last night as part of my run. Learned what I probably already knew but was in a little bit of denial. This weekend, I can run my 5k fast, but can't, or at least shouldn't, go "all out". With the trail race a couple weeks out and a lot of other goals for this year, I don't want to do anything stupid. It's snowing here now, so we will see what the footing is this weekend to see how fast I try to go. 

 
The more I think about it, I'm half expecting the Boston Marathon to get canceled as a result of all this Coronavirus nonsense.  Huge, high-profile event with tons of international participants, etc....

 
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Also, preparing to umpire baseball games makes for an interesting "cross training". Spent Monday night at a local high school for a "workshop" as part of their practice. From like 5:30 to 8 pm I was rotating in and out behind the plate to work on my mechanics and get a chance to see some pitches. That makes for a whole lot of squats over that time period. 

 
The more I think about it, I'm half expecting the Boston Marathon to get canceled as a result of all this Coronavirus nonsense.  Huge, high-profile event with tons of international participants, etc....
I might be naive, but I'm expecting all of this to blow over by then - or at least just become "normal". I'm all for people taking this thing seriously and all but still believe coverage is hyped a little more than required. 

 
I might be naive, but I'm expecting all of this to blow over by then - or at least just become "normal". I'm all for people taking this thing seriously and all but still believe coverage is hyped a little more than required. 
I am admittedly being too naive about it, but it won't blow over by then. It's going to worsen - but will treatment methods begin to be established? the spreading begin to stabilize? or will the latter continue to not be controlled and treatment methods still in development? :shrug:

 
If you channel the version of you that @gruecd helped you unlock in November then you will blow the doors off 22. Don't be afraid of the suck - embrace it.
I truly think this is possible. If you going out and try for sub 22, you can totally do it, imo. 

 
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I truly think this is possible. If you going out and try for 22, you can totally do it, imo. 
I think he can go out and try for 21. He may not make it before slowing down, but given current fitness levels it's not going to be a full blown crash-and-burn like prior attempts. 

 
I think he can go out and try for 21. He may not make it before slowing down, but given current fitness levels it's not going to be a full blown crash-and-burn like prior attempts. 
I agree. Last May I did an organized 5k and went out shooting for 22 - finished in 21:19. I think I probably could have hit 20:xx if I had tried but I had zero confidence of that before the race. I felt good about going for 21:xx but was not mentally prepared to try for sub 21 and I didn't expect to be that close to 21 at all. @gianmarco downplays it all the time but strava begs to differ - our times are pretty similar in a lot of ways and he's put in far better work lately than I ever have. I totally believe he has it in him to do sub 21. He just needs to do it (or close to it) once to have the confidence boost, IMO.

 
@Harris - I'll be in Europe in late April/early May.  My wife was born and raised in Poland.  Running the Prague Marathon on May 3 and the Lublin (Poland) Marathon on May 10.  Looks like it's only a 90-minute flight from Paris to Prague.  Come run with me! ;)  
Prague is on my list but not for this year unfortunately :(   I'll be in full Ironman mode by then.

Wait, am I reading that right? A double marathon Euro trip with back to backs? 

 
I am pulling for Fauble, really interesting training to follow in his book and Strava.  Road to Olympic trials pod has a men’s and women’s preview up. 

 
I agree. Last May I did an organized 5k and went out shooting for 22 - finished in 21:19. I think I probably could have hit 20:xx if I had tried but I had zero confidence of that before the race. I felt good about going for 21:xx but was not mentally prepared to try for sub 21 and I didn't expect to be that close to 21 at all. @gianmarco downplays it all the time but strava begs to differ - our times are pretty similar in a lot of ways and he's put in far better work lately than I ever have. I totally believe he has it in him to do sub 21. He just needs to do it (or close to it) once to have the confidence boost, IMO.
Yep - I can feel his teeth grinding and see his eyes rolling reading all of this. The proof's in the data though.

He trained like a moron for a 5K summer 2018, went out way too fast on a hot day, and still clipped 23. He continued to train like a moron then spent the week prior in Vegas and proceeded to sustain a 7:3X pace without his HR exceeding 160 in a late summer 10K until he approached the 5K mark...sure, he slowed down from that point-on, but still stayed below 8 minute miles with a HR that primarily hovered around in the mid-160's.

He started learning how to train the correct way in 2019. Then in November he learned how to race at a higher and uncomfortable (> 170) HR. He had one month over 105 miles in 2018 - he had five in 2019. Then the last two net career high's of 157 and 182 - and he's sitting at 137 in the shortest month of the year. Which is good for...his 3rd highest total of all time. Only behind the last two. And had he not signed up for this 5K he may have bested December. The first thing he cited was a failed mile repeat workout when he admitted to not being in a good frame of mind, but he didn't mention his 7.5 mile tempo workout 2 weeks ago, which was amidst his 11th week in a row over 30 mpw, five of which were over 40 - a number he had never before achieved.

I understand the fear of failure, but I'll also never forget what @Hang 10 wrote to me November 2015 just before the light bulb finally turned on in 2016 - scared money don't make money. It wasn't the first time I'd heard that phrase, but I never considered it when it came to my racing goals. You are not going to regret anything if you go for it and have to fight and claw to get to the finish, but with your current fitness it is not going to be a death march; not in a 5K in sunny 40 degree conditions anyway. You will second guess yourself if you feel like you left some of it out there though.

 
The 5k talk that lives in my head has spilled into here. I am just starting on some specific stuff sprinkled into my weeks. The strides over the past 2 months or so have helped make fast seem more ok. But the sustained hell of a 5k is no stride. 

 
I am admittedly being too naive about it, but it won't blow over by then. It's going to worsen - but will treatment methods begin to be established? the spreading begin to stabilize? or will the latter continue to not be controlled and treatment methods still in development? :shrug:
Hard to say, but unfortunately I'm starting to anticipate Boston being very much on the "better safe than sorry" bandwagon.  Starting to get worried about Prague, too, to be honest...

 
This Coronavirus BS is total BS.  

Basically it is much more contagious than SARS, but much less lethal.  It's the flu.

A 3% fatality rate, and just like the flu, is heavily concentrated to the elderly.  If you're aged 10-50, your mortality rate is 0.2%.  People are acting like this is the zombie apocalypse.  But panic gets clicks, so all the media outfits are making money every time they stir up the frenzy.

And politicians use this for their own gain (opposition accusing majority of "doing nothing"), which, a) further stokes the fire; and b) forces politicians to take action, despite no action being needed.

One Harvard prof predicted that 70% of the world is going to catch this.  If that's the case, better that everyone get it fast, see that it's largely nothing, and move on.  

/rant

(I work in an industry heavily impacted by this panic, and my weeks of late have been trying to adjust our supply to this new (irrational) level of demand).

So when I see that the Boston Marathon might get canceled because of this, I roll my eyes.

 
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Yeah, I bet that gets canceled for sure.  Can you imagine spending the last four years (or more) pouring your heart and soul into a potentially once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and then having it vanish before your eyes?  Ugh. 
I'm less certain of this.  Way too much money on the line.

 
Yep - I can feel his teeth grinding and see his eyes rolling reading all of this. The proof's in the data though.

He trained like a moron for a 5K summer 2018, went out way too fast on a hot day, and still clipped 23. He continued to train like a moron then spent the week prior in Vegas and proceeded to sustain a 7:3X pace without his HR exceeding 160 in a late summer 10K until he approached the 5K mark...sure, he slowed down from that point-on, but still stayed below 8 minute miles with a HR that primarily hovered around in the mid-160's.

He started learning how to train the correct way in 2019. Then in November he learned how to race at a higher and uncomfortable (> 170) HR. He had one month over 105 miles in 2018 - he had five in 2019. Then the last two net career high's of 157 and 182 - and he's sitting at 137 in the shortest month of the year. Which is good for...his 3rd highest total of all time. Only behind the last two. And had he not signed up for this 5K he may have bested December. The first thing he cited was a failed mile repeat workout when he admitted to not being in a good frame of mind, but he didn't mention his 7.5 mile tempo workout 2 weeks ago, which was amidst his 11th week in a row over 30 mpw, five of which were over 40 - a number he had never before achieved.

I understand the fear of failure, but I'll also never forget what @Hang 10 wrote to me November 2015 just before the light bulb finally turned on in 2016 - scared money don't make money. It wasn't the first time I'd heard that phrase, but I never considered it when it came to my racing goals. You are not going to regret anything if you go for it and have to fight and claw to get to the finish, but with your current fitness it is not going to be a death march; not in a 5K in sunny 40 degree conditions anyway. You will second guess yourself if you feel like you left some of it out there though.
I would only add why did @gianmarco stop for that red light on that April 7, 2019 run at 8:15:03 am?  It's obvious that he could have made that light since his HR was in the 140s and if he pushed from a 8:12 pace to a 7:30 pace he would have been 83% through the light by the time it turned yellow. Granted his shoe mileage was still a little on the low side, but shouldn't have hindered that effort.  Mind you, I haven't accounted for the lunar gravitation on that day, but I think my math will stand. 

 
Asking for a friend.

Pretend you're out on a run and have a poop emergency.  It's dark, and you're running through a park, on a reasonably secluded path by a lake.  No chance you can hold it until you get home, or to the nearest bathroom.  No real bushes anywhere nearby, but also no worries of anyone seeing you.  There is a big trash bin/receptacle on the path.  Do you:

  1. #### yourself
  2. #### in the lake
  3. Get as far off the path as you can and #### on the grass
  4. #### in the trash can
  5. Other?  (Please expand)
Unfortunately the best opinion I could share with my "friend" is @ChiefD's, but he's too busy knocking-out 16K runs to be bothered here right now.

 
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Asking for a friend.

Pretend you're out on a run and have a poop emergency.  It's dark, and you're running through a park, on a reasonably secluded path by a lake.  No chance you can hold it until you get home, or to the nearest bathroom.  No real bushes anywhere nearby, but also no worries of anyone seeing you.  There is a big trash bin/receptacle on the path.  Do you:

  1. #### yourself
  2. #### in the lake
  3. Get as far off the path as you can and #### on the grass
  4. #### in the trash can
  5. Other?  (Please expand)
Unfortunately the best opinion I could share with my "friend" is @ChiefD's, but he's too busy knocking-out 16K runs to be bothered here right now.
Been there, done that - and chose option #3.

 
Asking for a friend.

Pretend you're out on a run and have a poop emergency.  It's dark, and you're running through a park, on a reasonably secluded path by a lake.  No chance you can hold it until you get home, or to the nearest bathroom.  No real bushes anywhere nearby, but also no worries of anyone seeing you.  There is a big trash bin/receptacle on the path.  Do you:

  1. #### yourself
  2. #### in the lake
  3. Get as far off the path as you can and #### on the grass
  4. #### in the trash can
  5. Other?  (Please expand)
Unfortunately the best opinion I could share with my "friend" is @ChiefD's, but he's too busy knocking-out 16K runs to be bothered here right now.
Ugh, that's rough. I don't like any of these options without having TP.  

Probably #3 I guess.  And finish the run with one sock.

 
Ugh, that's rough. I don't like any of these options without having TP.  

Probably #3 I guess.  And finish the run with one sock.
This.  I don't have near the mid-run bowel issues that a lot of you seem to have, but I've definitely finished a run with one sock.

 
Asking for a friend.

Pretend you're out on a run and have a poop emergency.  It's dark, and you're running through a park, on a reasonably secluded path by a lake.  No chance you can hold it until you get home, or to the nearest bathroom.  No real bushes anywhere nearby, but also no worries of anyone seeing you.  There is a big trash bin/receptacle on the path.  Do you:

  1. #### yourself
  2. #### in the lake
  3. Get as far off the path as you can and #### on the grass
  4. #### in the trash can
  5. Other?  (Please expand)
Unfortunately the best opinion I could share with my "friend" is @ChiefD's, but he's too busy knocking-out 16K runs to be bothered here right now.
Having done a few multi-day hikes, #3 is the right answer. Technically you would prefer to have the means to dig a small hole and cover the remains and obviously prefer to have proper cleaning supplies with you but #3 is the way to go. 

 
I'm rooting for Galen Rupp.  Same height as me.  We would be the same weight if I ate a little better (I have maybe 6 or 7 pounds on him).  Both of us have/had (he had surgery) a Haglund's deformity bump on our left heel. 

He's a bit faster though.

Edit:  Also I always have a soft spot for fellow pp's.
Except he's a cheater (allegedly...or at least guilty by association), and you're not (as far as I know).
He's a Duck so I'll always root for him, but it's a bummer that it sure seems like he was wrapped up in Salazar's cheating.

And go Walmsley.   :popcorn:

 

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