Ran a 10k - Official Thread (11 Viewers)

[pbm107]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

 

[Hang 10]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

 

[gruecd]

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston?

Ideally, yeah. I just want to finish with a smile on my face.

 

[ChiefD]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

The goal is sub 1:49 but not sure it's going to happen. My wife has had a cold and sinus infection for two weeks and refuses to go to the doctor to get something to kill it, so guess what...

Been fighting it all week, but it looks like I may be getting it. Add to that a warm morning on Saturday and about an 80% chance of thunderstorms and things aren't looking really good. Not real happy right now, to be honest.

 

[MAC_32]

Speaking of devices....do any of you run with music? If you do, what do you use? Phone? Not a big deal for me on a treadmill, I just plop my iPod down on the treadmill, but when I take it with me running, it's annoying.

Phone strapped into something like this - http://media2.popsugar-assets.com/files/2013/04/24/919/n/1922507/43ceb14ec6169b48_armband_cover.xxxlarge/i/iPhone-Armbands-Running-Working-Out.jpg. Won it at a race a few years ago, so may not be exact but something like it. I just use the Slacker radio app. I have probably a dozen playlists I've created, just pick one before I start then go.

I also start off with more chill music on the playlist then ramp up the intensity as I go. I've got multiple lists for runs ranging between 4ish miles, 7ish miles, and 10+. The longer the run then more slower music I frontload.

 

[ChiefD]

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston?

Ideally, yeah. I just want to finish with a smile on my face.

Can't wait to see the race report for this one. Make sure you guys take some pics if possible. Sounds like it's gonna be a mud bath, yes?

 

[Ned]

Ideally, yeah. I just want to finish with a smile on my face.

Yup. To be perfectly honest - I'm intimidated by this one for a number of reasons, so I want to be conservative and have fun. The last thing I want is to have it turn into a sufferfest at mile 22.

Aside from the trails being wet from possible thunderstorms tomorrow, the conditions are looking damn near perfect now. Low 50s and overcast skies.

 

[Ned]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

 

[Ned]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

The goal is sub 1:49 but not sure it's going to happen. My wife has had a cold and sinus infection for two weeks and refuses to go to the doctor to get something to kill it, so guess what...

Been fighting it all week, but it looks like I may be getting it. Add to that a warm morning on Saturday and about an 80% chance of thunderstorms and things aren't looking really good. Not real happy right now, to be honest.

Ugh! I'd suggest starting out a little more conservative and see how your body responds. You're likely going to need that saved energy at the end with the added heat and being sick.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

 

[The Commish]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

Are you guys trying to kill yourselves?!

 

[Hang 10]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

Just 5 miles straight UP.

 

[The Commish]

Speaking of devices....do any of you run with music? If you do, what do you use? Phone? Not a big deal for me on a treadmill, I just plop my iPod down on the treadmill, but when I take it with me running, it's annoying.

Phone strapped into something like this - http://media2.popsugar-assets.com/files/2013/04/24/919/n/1922507/43ceb14ec6169b48_armband_cover.xxxlarge/i/iPhone-Armbands-Running-Working-Out.jpg. Won it at a race a few years ago, so may not be exact but something like it. I just use the Slacker radio app. I have probably a dozen playlists I've created, just pick one before I start then go.

I also start off with more chill music on the playlist then ramp up the intensity as I go. I've got multiple lists for runs ranging between 4ish miles, 7ish miles, and 10+. The longer the run then more slower music I frontload.

Yeah...this is what I have. I'll have to try it out.

 

[AAABatteries]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

The goal is sub 1:49 but not sure it's going to happen. My wife has had a cold and sinus infection for two weeks and refuses to go to the doctor to get something to kill it, so guess what...

Been fighting it all week, but it looks like I may be getting it. Add to that a warm morning on Saturday and about an 80% chance of thunderstorms and things aren't looking really good. Not real happy right now, to be honest.

That sucks - good luck, hopefully you feel better before the race starts but if not it just gives you good motivation for the next one!

 

[Hang 10]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

The goal is sub 1:49 but not sure it's going to happen. My wife has had a cold and sinus infection for two weeks and refuses to go to the doctor to get something to kill it, so guess what...

Been fighting it all week, but it looks like I may be getting it. Add to that a warm morning on Saturday and about an 80% chance of thunderstorms and things aren't looking really good. Not real happy right now, to be honest.

Just worry about the things you can control. Don't let yourself get defeated before you even lace up your running shoes. Positive thoughts.

Also

 

[beer 30]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

Are you guys trying to kill yourselves?!

#### YEA! Love it!!!

GET SOME DUCK!!!!

 

[ChiefD]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

The goal is sub 1:49 but not sure it's going to happen. My wife has had a cold and sinus infection for two weeks and refuses to go to the doctor to get something to kill it, so guess what...

Been fighting it all week, but it looks like I may be getting it. Add to that a warm morning on Saturday and about an 80% chance of thunderstorms and things aren't looking really good. Not real happy right now, to be honest.

Just worry about the things you can control. Don't let yourself get defeated before you even lace up your running shoes. Positive thoughts.

Also

Yeah, been trying to fight the negative stuff all week. Ate a big bowl of pasta and red meat yesterday, so I've bounced back pretty good today. Just need to get that mental excitement back.

And in actuality, coming to this thread helps with that a lot.

 

[The Commish]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

Are you guys trying to kill yourselves?!

#### YEA! Love it!!!

GET SOME DUCK!!!!

I think I am one of just a few here that can accurately picture you saying this IRL

 

[ChiefD]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

Just 5 miles straight UP.

All they gotta do is bust some ### for 29.5 miles. Then it's an easy downhill the rest of the way.

 

[Nigel]

Looking at that elevation graphic literally makes me queasy.

 

[Hang 10]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Ned and Grued I know that this isn't an A race for either of you guys, but what is the plan? Negative split like Boston? Punish each other with the pace early for the lack of training over the winter?

The goal is sub 1:49 but not sure it's going to happen. My wife has had a cold and sinus infection for two weeks and refuses to go to the doctor to get something to kill it, so guess what...

Been fighting it all week, but it looks like I may be getting it. Add to that a warm morning on Saturday and about an 80% chance of thunderstorms and things aren't looking really good. Not real happy right now, to be honest.

Just worry about the things you can control. Don't let yourself get defeated before you even lace up your running shoes. Positive thoughts.

Also

Yeah, been trying to fight the negative stuff all week. Ate a big bowl of pasta and red meat yesterday, so I've bounced back pretty good today. Just need to get that mental excitement back.

And in actuality, coming to this thread helps with that a lot.

Yeah, you gotta be careful getting too negative going into a race. If you believe you're going have a bad race, well, chances are you will.

I think of it like this. The physical part of the race is already done before the race ever starts...training etc. Come race day, it's fully a mental game to get the most out of yourself physically.

Just commit to doing your best no matter what the conditions may be and you'll never be let down by the result.

 

[Nigel]

Chief, you remind me a lot of myself with all of the negative pre race thoughts. They'll disappear once you get going and the training you've put in takes over. Best of luck.

 

[beer 30]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

Are you guys trying to kill yourselves?!

#### YEA! Love it!!!

GET SOME DUCK!!!!

I think I am one of just a few here that can accurately picture you saying this IRL

I would happily crew for any of these guys if the opportunity ever presented itself. When Duck ran his 100 miler last year I flat wore out my F5 button trying to get updates. I'm working an aid station this weekend for a trail 1/2 and I'm about as excited as I can remember just to be out amongst 'em again. What Duck does with elevation (and plenty of the other ultra guys here & Sand with some of the crazy biking he does) amazes me when I compare it to the little hills we have around here. Completely different race.

 

[The Commish]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

Are you guys trying to kill yourselves?!

#### YEA! Love it!!!

GET SOME DUCK!!!!

I think I am one of just a few here that can accurately picture you saying this IRL

I would happily crew for any of these guys if the opportunity ever presented itself. When Duck ran his 100 miler last year I flat wore out my F5 button trying to get updates. I'm working an aid station this weekend for a trail 1/2 and I'm about as excited as I can remember just to be out amongst 'em again. What Duck does with elevation (and plenty of the other ultra guys here & Sand with some of the crazy biking he does) amazes me when I compare it to the little hills we have around here. Completely different race.

I really just need to hire you as my coach....that's what I need to do. How much?

 

[beer 30]

Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane

:X

Dude, that climb from mile 24-29 is friggin INSANE.

#### that.

Are you guys trying to kill yourselves?!

#### YEA! Love it!!!

GET SOME DUCK!!!!

I think I am one of just a few here that can accurately picture you saying this IRL

I would happily crew for any of these guys if the opportunity ever presented itself. When Duck ran his 100 miler last year I flat wore out my F5 button trying to get updates. I'm working an aid station this weekend for a trail 1/2 and I'm about as excited as I can remember just to be out amongst 'em again. What Duck does with elevation (and plenty of the other ultra guys here & Sand with some of the crazy biking he does) amazes me when I compare it to the little hills we have around here. Completely different race.

I really just need to hire you as my coach....that's what I need to do. How much?

Free of charge but I'll make Hang 10 look like Mother Teresa, I'm a PITA when it comes to coaching...ask my girls

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Went out for my first run of the week since racing last week. I purposefully incorporated more hills on this run and extended my distance from 4.00 to 4.25. This was also my first run with my new Fitbit Charge HR. Prior to this, I had not monitored heart rate. I've resigned myself to the fact that the first mile of my runs during the week is going to be slower. My only warmup is a 5-minute walk. When I race, however, I'll incorporate more warmup to be looser.

10:24 @ 152

09:33 @ 156

08:51 @ 161

08:33 @ 163

Last 1/4 mile was at a 09:04 pace

Now I just have to figure out what the hell all that means...

 

[AAABatteries]

Good thing to add to the OP....

Suck Index = temperature + dew point. The higher it is, the more it's gonna suck.

>150 - just try to survive the workout.

140-149 - getting pretty miserable.

130-139 - can feel it getting soupy out there, but manageable if you dial the effort back a bit to start.

120-129 - not too bad; can feel a bit of humidity.

110-119 - feels great; won't affect performance.

Just did 4 miles during lunch. SI was 136 according to Intellicast - felt like 170, I think I'm melting. I sweated more during that run than the last 4 months combined.

ETA: I should put run in quotes - it was jogging/walking with a few flat runs mixed in - very few

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Good thing to add to the OP....

Suck Index = temperature + dew point. The higher it is, the more it's gonna suck.

>150 - just try to survive the workout.

140-149 - getting pretty miserable.

130-139 - can feel it getting soupy out there, but manageable if you dial the effort back a bit to start.

120-129 - not too bad; can feel a bit of humidity.

110-119 - feels great; won't affect performance.

Just did 4 miles during lunch. SI was 136 according to Intellicast - felt like 170, I think I'm melting. I sweated more during that run than the last 4 months combined.

Quick! Weigh yourself for a boost of self-confidend

 

[jomar]

how do some of you run at lunch? do you have a shower at work or just be sweaty the rest of the day?

I'd like to start doing that but we have no shower here. maybe just towel off as best I can in one of the stalls?

 

[Nigel]

how do some of you run at lunch? do you have a shower at work or just be sweaty the rest of the day?

I'd like to start doing that but we have no shower here. maybe just towel off as best I can in one of the stalls?

We have gym/shower here, wouldn't do it otherwise

 

[pbm107]

I am lucky in that I have showers at work. All of my running during the week is from work. If I am running 6 miles or less I will run during lunch, otherwise I get up early drive in to beat traffic and start running.

 

[Ned]

Went out for my first run of the week since racing last week. I purposefully incorporated more hills on this run and extended my distance from 4.00 to 4.25. This was also my first run with my new Fitbit Charge HR. Prior to this, I had not monitored heart rate. I've resigned myself to the fact that the first mile of my runs during the week is going to be slower. My only warmup is a 5-minute walk. When I race, however, I'll incorporate more warmup to be looser.

10:24 @ 152

09:33 @ 156

08:51 @ 161

08:33 @ 163

Last 1/4 mile was at a 09:04 pace

Now I just have to figure out what the hell all that means...

Those last 2 miles say a lot about your fitness, IMO. It was hot and you picked it up with minimal HR creep. Good work!

 

[Juxtatarot]

I'd like to start doing that but we have no shower here. maybe just towel off as best I can in one of the stalls?

Sounds disgusting.

 

[Hang 10]

how do some of you run at lunch? do you have a shower at work or just be sweaty the rest of the day?

I'd like to start doing that but we have no shower here. maybe just towel off as best I can in one of the stalls?

Wet wipes and cologne.

 

[Ned]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

 

[Hang 10]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

 

[Ned]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

Oh I know, it's obvious now. As I started to read the article, I was skeptical and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But after seeing the Philly splits, I had seen enough. #### him for booting someone else out that deserved to get in.

 

[ChiefD]

Must have been the day to run at lunch. Pouring rain here, so I figured...go out and run a couple of miles in race conditions and feel better about yourself.

So did 2.15 miles, pace was 7:40ish. HR in the 170's and hit mid 180's on a couple of hills. Can't plug in the watch yet - too wet.

Anyway, it was good to knock something out before Saturday to get my mind right, and this was it.

 

[Hang 10]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

Oh I know, it's obvious now. As I started to read the article, I was skeptical and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But after seeing the Philly splits, I had seen enough. #### him for booting someone else out that deserved to get in.

It's just funny that he was such a ##### to the principle and basically said that his kids would learn more about hard work, determination, etc from watching how awesome he was running Boston then anything they'd be taught in school. Then it turns out that he's a total fraud. Looks like the kids got to learn a different lesson.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

His Athlinks page: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/213451360

He cheated.

 

[MAC_32]

how do some of you run at lunch? do you have a shower at work or just be sweaty the rest of the day?

I'd like to start doing that but we have no shower here. maybe just towel off as best I can in one of the stalls?

I work at a college, the gym is the building next to mine. I also live just 2 miles away, so I have the option of showering at home too. Although, days like today (85 and sunny) even after my shower I'm sitting at my desk sucking down water but still sweating anyway.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I recall a story about a year ago about a female runner that won a race but was also busted by her Athlinks page. With all the information available online, it's very easy to check someone out.

 

[Hang 10]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

His Athlinks page: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/213451360

He cheated.

No doubt. I've got a history of pretty decent race times and I'd be extremely fortunate to run a 3:11 marathon. Out of 20 races he doesn't have a single result under 7 minutes.

 

[Hang 10]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I recall a story about a year ago about a female runner that won a race but was also busted by her Athlinks page. With all the information available online, it's very easy to check someone out.

Oh yeah, I've looked people up on athlinks plenty. And message boards like letsrun live to bust cheats. The internet never sleeps.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Went out for my first run of the week since racing last week. I purposefully incorporated more hills on this run and extended my distance from 4.00 to 4.25. This was also my first run with my new Fitbit Charge HR. Prior to this, I had not monitored heart rate. I've resigned myself to the fact that the first mile of my runs during the week is going to be slower. My only warmup is a 5-minute walk. When I race, however, I'll incorporate more warmup to be looser.

10:24 @ 152

09:33 @ 156

08:51 @ 161

08:33 @ 163

Last 1/4 mile was at a 09:04 pace

Now I just have to figure out what the hell all that means...

Those last 2 miles say a lot about your fitness, IMO. It was hot and you picked it up with minimal HR creep. Good work!

Thank you. It was a great morning to run here. One of those where the weather was perfect, I got a good night's sleep, and it all came together.

 

[ChiefD]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

His Athlinks page: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/213451360

He cheated.

Man, what a story. And the fact that it's the guy who was a doosh about his kids going to Boston makes it even better. If this is true that he faked it, what an arsehole.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Good luck to all the racers this weekend. Duck and Chief are your goals still sub 16 hrs and 1:49? Duck the elevation profile of that course is insane, especially the first half of the race, are you going to try to run a negative split?

Yup, sub 16:00 qualifies me for the Western States Lottery so that's the primary goal. The A goal is a 14-15 hour finish, which would of course give me some cushion if needed to get in under 16. Based on the elevation profile and previous experience with how I'm likely to feel after 8-10 hours, I'd be happy with an even split which would mean I was able to keep moving pretty well in the last 20 miles or so. These climbs aren't as long or as high as my 100M last year, and there's no real altitude to deal with, so hopefully my power hiking serves me well. I understand it's not supposed to be very technical until a section miles 52-57 or so, but I've never been on the course so it's hard to tell how runnable those downhills are going to be. Hopefully they aren't too steep (and my knee holds up) and I can make up some time on the descents.

My other big goal is to try and dial in my hydration and nutrition a little better. I'm going to start with Tailwind drink mixed a little light and eat some solid food early and often while it's cooler, and I'll be carrying Bonk Breaker bars, banana chips, and coconut strips. Then as it gets hot I'll probably switch to water in my hydration pack, S-Caps for electrolytes, and go with two GUs an hour that I'll drip in to the system with small "sips". At aid stations I'll try to supplement with Coke and whatever real food (likely potatoes in salt) sounds good. I also plan on taking 5 Master Amino Acid Pattern pills every 3-4 hours. That's the plan anyway, but one thing I do know from my three previous 50+ mile races is that you have to be flexible because things will not always go to plan.

 

[SFBayDuck]

#### YEA! Love it!!!


GET SOME DUCK!!!!

All they gotta do is bust some ### for 29.5 miles. Then it's an easy downhill the rest of the way.

I would happily crew for any of these guys if the opportunity ever presented itself. When Duck ran his 100 miler last year I flat wore out my F5 button trying to get updates. I'm working an aid station this weekend for a trail 1/2 and I'm about as excited as I can remember just to be out amongst 'em again. What Duck does with elevation (and plenty of the other ultra guys here & Sand with some of the crazy biking he does) amazes me when I compare it to the little hills we have around here. Completely different race.

Thanks, gb. One of these days I'll have to do a 100M somewhere East of here and put together the All Star FBG to crew and pace me.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

His Athlinks page: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/213451360

He cheated.

No doubt. I've got a history of pretty decent race times and I'd be extremely fortunate to run a 3:11 marathon. Out of 20 races he doesn't have a single result under 7 minutes.

Yeah, here's what a 40-something year old BQ qualifier Athlinks page should look like: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/119757387

 

[Hang 10]

What a crazy story. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but damn. The evidence is....wow. And those that spent the time to uncover it all???????

I read all about the ####### the other day. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that his time is legit. Just think, Ned. His marathon PR is only 2 minutes slower than yours and look at your race history vs. his. It's unpossible. I'm saying cheater.

His Athlinks page: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/213451360

He cheated.

No doubt. I've got a history of pretty decent race times and I'd be extremely fortunate to run a 3:11 marathon. Out of 20 races he doesn't have a single result under 7 minutes.

Yeah, here's what a 40-something year old BQ qualifier Athlinks page should look like: http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/119757387

Don't make us investigate you, Juxt.