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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (6 Viewers)

Cool.  I knew you had one coming up but I didn't realize it was this weekend too.  What's the goal?
Yeah, haven't been on here much lately. This actually the main race of my cycle. Definitely want to PR (39:25) but really, I'll be disappointed if I don't get under 39 minutes. 

 
So: Cool, crisp, sunny day.  Wife dropped me off in the west suburbs this a.m. for a run home.  16 miles @ 8:08/mi, HR 143.  Smooth, steady, and effortless the whole way.  I'm ready coach ...put me in! 

Saturday's 10K goal is to run 7:15-7:20/mi., which is sub-marathon pace but not maximum effort.  Then I get to relax and wait for Juxt's big HM finish!

 
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tri-man 47 said:
So: Cool, crisp, sunny day.  Wife dropped me off in the west suburbs this a.m. for a run home.  16 miles @ 8:08/mi, HR 143.  Smooth, steady, and effortless the whole way.  I'm ready coach ...put me in! 

Saturday's 10K goal is to run 7:15-7:20/mi., which is sub-marathon pace but not maximum effort.  Then I get to relax and wait for Juxt's big HM finish!
I've already started obsessing over the forecast...dry and high of 59 is the latest!

Where you staying/getting in to Boston?

 
Thanks a ton Duck!
@SayWhat?, I listened to a good podcast today on the metabolic efficiency topic, Jeff Browning (winner of Hurt 100 in January) on the Primal Endurance podcast.  Interesting stuff.  He transitioned to this only a couple of months before Hurt, and had incredible results.  Besides the victory, he talks about how he cut his caloric intake during the race from his normal 300-400/hour down to 200, how he had even energy the entire time, and about recovering much quicker than ever before.  I heard the Primal Endurance guy on another podcast recently, this was the first time I've listened to his podcast.  I'm half way through another one he did with Phil Maffetone.

Bronco (Jeff) mentions Peter Defty and Vespa a few times, that's another good resource for his take on what he calls Optimized Fat Metabolism, which is what Zach Bitter follows closely.  I'm still not sure if Vespa as a product actually works (I've used it several times but haven't noticed a difference), but Defty is one of the experts on this topic, no doubt.  

 
I've already started obsessing over the forecast...dry and high of 59 is the latest!

Where you staying/getting in to Boston?
I stay with a college friend and her husband (soon-to-be ex :unsure:  ...I told her to find a place in Hopkinton), and they live the next town over in Southborough.  Super easy on race morning - I get dropped off by the shuttle buses at the state park, which drop us off right near the main intersection in town.  A quick pit stop at the gas station on the corner, and I'm ready to go!  Kind of pain afterwards since I don't have a checked-bag with dry clothes, and then have to transport back to the 'burbs.

I'll catch the expo Sunday afternoon.  How 'bout you?  Maybe we can meet up.

And yes, I'm waiting for the 10-day forecast to appear!

 
I stay with a college friend and her husband (soon-to-be ex :unsure:  ...I told her to find a place in Hopkinton), and they live the next town over in Southborough.  Super easy on race morning - I get dropped off by the shuttle buses at the state park, which drop us off right near the main intersection in town.  A quick pit stop at the gas station on the corner, and I'm ready to go!  Kind of pain afterwards since I don't have a checked-bag with dry clothes, and then have to transport back to the 'burbs.

I'll catch the expo Sunday afternoon.  How 'bout you?  Maybe we can meet up.

And yes, I'm waiting for the 10-day forecast to appear!
If we're able to meet up you could give me your gear check bag and I could drop it off for you Monday am when I catch the bus from the Common. 

 
@SayWhat?, I listened to a good podcast today on the metabolic efficiency topic, Jeff Browning (winner of Hurt 100 in January) on the Primal Endurance podcast.  Interesting stuff.  He transitioned to this only a couple of months before Hurt, and had incredible results.  Besides the victory, he talks about how he cut his caloric intake during the race from his normal 300-400/hour down to 200, how he had even energy the entire time, and about recovering much quicker than ever before.  I heard the Primal Endurance guy on another podcast recently, this was the first time I've listened to his podcast.  I'm half way through another one he did with Phil Maffetone.

Bronco (Jeff) mentions Peter Defty and Vespa a few times, that's another good resource for his take on what he calls Optimized Fat Metabolism, which is what Zach Bitter follows closely.  I'm still not sure if Vespa as a product actually works (I've used it several times but haven't noticed a difference), but Defty is one of the experts on this topic, no doubt.  
There are quite Primal Endurance podcasts featuring Maffetone...I want to say at least three that I'm aware of, maybe four or more.  He's always an interesting listen.  I've got quite a few more of the Primal Endurance podcasts on my ipod for commuting listening, so I'll check to see if the the one with Jeff Browning is one of them.  Thanks for the heads up!

As for Vespa, I've never used it.  How about UCAN?  Anyone ever used that and had good results?

 
If we're able to meet up you could give me your gear check bag and I could drop it off for you Monday am when I catch the bus from the Common. 
Oh, man, that'd be awesome.  So once we make arrangements to meet on Sunday (I'll PM you my contact info), I'll then plan to bring a post-race change of clothes with me to the expo.  I can prep my gear bag and leave it with you.  I'll bring junky enough stuff just in case they won't accept my bag # from someone with a different #.  Very cool!!!

10-day weather forecast looking nice!  4/15 to be in the low-50s and probably dry.

 
Anyone run the Dexter-Ann Arbor half? Thoughts on the race?

Or is there a different June race within 100 miles of the metro Detroit area I should look into instead?

 
How about UCAN?  Anyone ever used that and had good results?
I like it pre race, I usually make a chia, coconut milk, UCAN smoothie for breakfast on race day. Tops off the carbs without spiking insulin while the fat also encouraging those metabolic pathways to stay fired up. I tried it during a 50K once, and it's chalky texture made it tough to get down after a few hours, especially in the heat.  So what I've done since is make a thick mixture of it, with an S-cap blended in, and put it in a gel flask. Makes it easier to just get down and chase with water, which works pretty well.  Carry one, throw a couple others in drop bags. 

 
Oh, man, that'd be awesome.  So once we make arrangements to meet on Sunday (I'll PM you my contact info), I'll then plan to bring a post-race change of clothes with me to the expo.  I can prep my gear bag and leave it with you.  I'll bring junky enough stuff just in case they won't accept my bag # from someone with a different #.  Very cool!!!

10-day weather forecast looking nice!  4/15 to be in the low-50s and probably dry.
I'll need to figure out my kids lax schedules on Sunday and where I need to be when. I might have to to the expo Saturday but at the very least I'll swing through Sunday and meet you on a curb to grab your bag. Based on the instructions doesn't look like checking it for you will be a problem. 

And long term westher does look good, no heat in sight and local guys are saying it should be that way for a couple weeks. Hoping its dry.

 
Good luck, Racers.  I hope I have a chance to check in on progress this weekend.  Life is hectic.

My knee is doing fine but I have a sore arch that is keeping me from progressing.  I am basically running three miles every other day.  I have no explanation for the arch issue except old age and general decrepitude.   

 
Good luck, Racers.  I hope I have a chance to check in on progress this weekend.  Life is hectic.

My knee is doing fine but I have a sore arch that is keeping me from progressing.  I am basically running three miles every other day.  I have no explanation for the arch issue except old age and general decrepitude.   
General Decrepitude is a good name for a Fantasy Football Team......

 
Hope you other midwesterner's are looking at better weather. VERY happy I didn't commit to anything this weekend - predicting 6-12". My 20 miler Sunday looks headed towards the scrap heap.

 
This was probably a mistake with the race this weekend but I'm happy with it, so whatever...  I started adding 250 kick into my swim this week, only two days so far but it's surprising how much of a difference it seems to make.  The set is just 10x25 @ 45 seconds, with the goal of finishing the 25 under 30 (so far I've been between 26-29).  This seems to wake the legs up and makes the next sets of 100 swim faster.  Back on April 1 I did a 100 for time at the end of the workout, 1:27, most of the sets before this I'd maintain 1:33-1:35.  Wednesday I did 5x100 after the kick set and maintained 1:29-1:32, with a best 100 of 1:26 at the end of the workout.  Today my 5x100 were under 1:30 (before the kick set) and the two 100s at the end of the workout were 1:20 and 1:22.  It's only 5-10 seconds per hundred faster without working that much harder.  There are probably other factors at play but I'll be keeping kick sets in the routine now. 

ETA: this is also the first time since maybe HS that my swim 100s are faster than my pull 100s.  I'm guessing I'm finally getting the right position.

 
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So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 

 
So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 
High five spectators. 

Smile. This sounds silly but if I just start smiling, it is a real confidence boost. 

 
So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 
I hate anyone and everyone in front of me.

 
Maybe you guys can help me out. I have a Galaxy S7 and am looking for a fitness app/device combo where the app will track my activity when I have my phone on me, and the device (watch/strap/whatever) will track my activity when I don't have my phone on me (running with my phone drives me crazy), AND the two will automatically sync together to produce one continuous activity timeline with total daily steps. Does fitbit mobiletrack plus a device do this? I know the mobiletrack can use my phone's sensor to track steps but I'm not sure if it automatically syncs with a physical device.

 
So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 
Remind yourself that you've been there before. Remember that you knew it wasn't going to be easy. Remind yourself that all that training has led to this and you're not going to give in for temporary relief.  Remember that WE are all watching and waiting for your report. What do you want that report to say? 

 
So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 
Remind yourself that the pain is temporary, but the high you have immediately after, and the long term satisfaction of crushing a PR, are well worth the hurt. Or think about someone you know who literally cannot run at all, and how lucky you are.

And if all that fails just stop being a #####.   :)

 
So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 
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So I have a question for you guys and how you get through races. Inevitably at some point during the race you go through a rough patch. I know this has happened to me where I start to not feel that great, and sometimes I can recover from it mentally but there are a lot of times where, looking back, I could not.

Are there any mental things you guys do to get back on track to keep pushing? Any tricks or methods you use? 
A couple of things:  First, I think of what I need to tell myself ("what would coach say right now?"), and the answer relates both to technique (better breathing through strong exhales; quicker or longer striding) and to motivation (as the other guys have commented).  Second, I pre-plan thoughts and mantras.  For the latter, I'll have a short phrase or word that I'll repeat.  This usually goes on for just a short while before I get some mojo back.  [For me, though, the HR data keeps me well regulated and I rely on it.]

 
2016 Rock the Parkway Race Report

Woke up this morning to 34 degrees and no wind, which for me is the optimal temperature for running. Had my usual breakfast of a piece of toast with peanut butter and half a banana. Took a real nice dump, and minutes before I left, had a feeble attempt at a second one. Left the house on time, but not sure how my stomach really felt.

As I'm driving to the race at 6:30, the only cars on the highway are people like me - driving to a race on a cold spring morning. You can always tell that runners are in those cars as we jockey for position on the highway like a NASCAR race. As I'm driving, I'm thinking about a lot of things, mainly how I'm going to navigate my way through both the mental and physical challenges. I start thinking about the mental parts: who I am going to hate, what type of report I wanted to write, and whether or not I was going to be a big #####. So I settled on a mantra as I started parking the car, I came up with: "Don't be a ##### and hate the report you are going to have to write later." My secondary mantra was: "Find a nice female ### and run behind it." :wub:

So I line up between the 1:45 pace group and the 1:50 pace group, with the idea that I'm just going to see how I feel after a couple of miles.

This first 3 mile stretch has an early decline but then goes into a long incline that finishes right at mile three or so:

Mile 1: 8:23 Pace. HR 158

Mile 2:8:24 Pace. HR 174

Mile 3: 8:27 Pace. HR 177

At this point I have my 1/2 Marathon 101 dumb dumb moment: "Hey Chief, how about you kick ### on the downhills and back off on the uphills just a tick?" :loco: So that's what I did.

Mile 4: 7:43 Pace. HR 176

Mile 5: 8:02 Pace. HR 177

Mile 6: 8:08 Pace. HR 175

Mile 7: 8:01 Pace. HR 176

This is where my trouble hilly section comes into play. I've talked about this section, and this is where I usually lose it on this course. Not today. This stretch starts at mile 8 and ends with a peak 2.7 miles later. I knew if I could get past mile 10 and feeling good I would be in good shape. Up until now, I didn't even feel like I was working overly hard.

Mile 8: 8:25 Pace. HR 177

Mile 9: 8:15 Pace. HR 177

Mile 10: 8:12 Pace. HR 176

It's ####### on now. This race is my #####. As soon as I crested that hill, I knew I was strong and ready to close this ##### out. :headbang:

Mile 11: 8:24 Pace. HR 176

Mile 12: 8:06 Pace. HR 176

I looked at my watch at mile 12 and saw 1:38, and I freaking went. This is all downhill at this point, so I went as hard as I could. About 100 yards out there was a guy about 30 yards ahead of me, and all I can think of was: " I hate you and I'm gonna run your ### down." (Thanks Ned). :lol: And I caught and passed him about 10 yards from the line.

Mile 13.1: 7:36 Pace. HR 176

Once I crossed the line, I looked at my watch almost in disbelief. I got home and confirmed by chip time, and here it is gentlemen:

1:46:51. A new PR by 3 minutes!

Anyway, thanks all for the pep talks. I honestly can't believe the time, considering where I thought my fitness was going in. But Hang10 was right - there is more in there. And I thought of that a lot today. And to be honest, I left at least a minute out there, maybe more.

A breakthrough race for sure. Wow. :)

 
:headbang: :thumbup: :clap:  great job chief!

Weather report says 38 degrees at race time tomorrow.  In Alabama, wtf? Not complaining but wow.

 
It looks like the "3 Amigos" that had been lost on loop 1 for 30 hours just made it back to camp, that's good to hear.   A new record for longest complete loop!
Ultrarunnerpodcast interviewed one of these guys this week, turns out he's a local guy that I've met, run with at races, etc.  Pretty funny to hear his story of being out there for close to 32 hours and completing only one loop of the race.

 
Chi-town Half Marathon race report

Well, this one was pretty awful.

I woke up feeling pretty good.  Although the forecast called for unseasonable cold (upper 20s) I thought I had a good chance to reach my goals.  Those goals were to 1) eek out a small PR over the 1:22:37 half I set last fall, and 2) give me some confidence for the May 1 Broad St. 10 Miler in Philly.  I wasn't sure what to wear so I wore a layer of normal running stuff under a layer of typical winter running garb.  I would make up my mind when we got there if I wanted to check the winter stuff.

Tri-man ran the 10K that was being held simultaneously and he lives on the way to downtown Chicago, so I drove to his house so we could ride in together.  When I was about a mile from his expressway exit, I noticed snow!  I was a little shocked because there was none at my house and I hadn't considered this possibility.  When I got to Tri-man's house, I noticed how icy the sidewalks were and was worried about the race.  The race isn't on city streets but on the paths along the lakefront.  I didn't know if they would be snow-blown and salted.  Tri-man thought they wouldn't be.

Sure enough, he was right.  The paths were covered with this snow-ice mixture.  Not so bad that you'd fall (although there were patches like that) but bad enough that your footing would give a little (and sometimes a moderate amount) on every step.  It was pretty obvious that a PR wasn't going to be happening but I had no idea what kind of pace I could sustain.  Besides being cold, there was a biting wind so I decided to keep the winter wear on.  I thought about slowing way down and just having this be a training run but, in hindsight, who was I kidding?  I'm not wired like that.

Annoyingly, they were was 6 minutes late to start as I was shivering but we were finally were off.  I laughed during the first quarter mile because it felt so awful to be slipping like that.  I was managing a pace in the 6:40s that seemed hard but possibly sustainable.  I knew a 1:30 half is a 6:52 pace so I decided on the fly that breaking that would be a good goal for the day.  

Things went OK through the first 8 miles and I was hitting my splits.  By "OK" I mean miserable but I guess it becomes relative after a while.  Sometimes I could run in the snow covered grass at the side of the paths which was a little better.  And once in a great while there would be a stretch without ice.  The difference was amazing.  I'd hit those stretches and it would feel like I was suddenly on turbo.  I'll never take solid footing for granted again.

Around mile 9 we turn back North right by the Lake and into the full force of a 20 mph + headwind.  The ice is also particularly bad (probably due to mist from the crashing waves).  This section was absolutely brutal.  I slowed to a 7:34 mile 9 and a 7:14 mile 10.  I was running with a few other guys and instead of hating them (ala Ned/ChiefD) we bonded a bit and laughed about how awful this was.  Besides, they were younger than me so not my AG competition.

The footing then got a little better through the 12th and 13th miles although we were merged with the slower 10K runners and it was sometimes difficult to weave around them.  I did manage a 6:31 final mile.

Those slower miles on the back stretch put under 1:30 out of reach.  Ended in 1:30:24.  19/2,426 overall.  1/81 in AG.  Not beaten by anyone older than me.  I did get chicked, though.

I don't really know what to think about this one.  It was hard to push myself really hard when I didn't have the pressure of a specific relevant time goal.  I think I could have done a little better.  This race also doesn't really give me added confidence for Broad St. although it didn't hurt it either.  

By the way, I want to publicly thank @tri-man 47 for waiting around for me and particularly waiting though the half marathon award ceremony!

 
Very happy for you, @ChiefD! Glad you finally had that break through!

Nice job, @Juxtatarot. I'm sure it wasn't easy to stay motivated when the conditions are so crappy. Way to tough it out all the way to the podium!

 
Great race Chief.

 Juxt, I was worried when looked up your result that you might have been injured.  I was happy to see that it was just really tough conditions.  

 
Great race Chief.

 Juxt, I was worried when looked up your result that you might have been injured.  I was happy to see that it was just really tough conditions.  
I love that first in his AG and finishing in the top 0.8% overall has people here wondering what was wrong!  Congrats on getting through the tough conditions, @Juxtatarot

 
On another note, the Strava climbing challenge this month was a little soft, considering I blew past it on the 9th day of the month.  1750M?  C'mon Strava, you can do better than that. 

 
That's a hell of result juxt in those conditions. My bro in Chicago sent pics this morning of snow and ice at his place, so I know that's no joke.

Great run.  :thumbup:

 
Chi-Town 10K Race Report

Weird conditions for an April race, as Juxt noted.  This was a tune-up for Boston and my first 10K for a very long time, so it was hard to gauge how it would go.  Like Juxt, I discarded any preconceptions once we got to the lakefront and saw the iced-over trails.  Morning routines were all fine.  I wasn't thrilled with the cold, but that part seemed manageable.  Lakefront traffic was heavy, so we cut away from the lake and parked in the neighborhoods about a mile from the start.  We tried to jog over, but the footing was treacherous. Before the race, I met and chatted with an (even older) guy who came in from Alabama for a few days and to run this race.  Psych!  (Later, waiting for Juxt to finish the HM, I saw my new buddy finishing and got to cheer him on, which was neat.)  

First two miles were north, into the wind, and right along the lakefront.  I, too, had to cut onto the snowy grass quite a bit to get some traction. Too much maneuvering between the icy paved trail, the somewhat icy gravel next to the trail, and the grass to get a good rhythm going.  I generally hoped to run sub-early-marathon pace (sub-7:30).  Once we got going, I warmed up, and traffic cleared a bit, I was able to do that.

1: 7:37 (HR doing weird spikes)

2: 7:51

3: 7:42

4: 7:21, HR 162

5: 7:12, HR 168

6: 7:26, HR 171

.2: 6:47, HR 170

Overall: 46:32 (7:29/mi), 28/1638, 1st of 8 in AG.  So satisfying, all in all.  Holding that pacing in those conditions (despite too-high of a HR) was encouraging.  Juxt and I couldn't help but wonder, though - how do people run in those conditions (below 30 and bitter winds) with no hat or gloves of any sort??

 
In my November half it was in the 20's with a decent wind. I started in long sleeves, shorts, gloves, a head band (over my ears), a short sleeved and sleeveless (just in case) underneath. I intended to disrobe halfway (two lap course) but didn't expect to take the gloves off and carry them beginning at mile 4. About a mile out I went down to short sleeved to see if I could take it off too and quickly realized I could. There were only a handful of us out there in that little clothing but I was as comfortable as I think I could be. I'm soft when it comes to my ears though. They stay covered into the 40's.

Sorry for setting the jinx on your race! We ended up getting 6" here.

 
Juxt's bad races are still better than my okay races.   1:31:37, pretty much exactly what I expected.  Got chicked.  But averaged under 7 which was the goal.  Report tomorrow. 

ETA: just looked at my previous PR, turns out I beat it by 20 seconds according to my watch. Official time 1:31:33 Next fall I break 90.  

Eta2: :rant:  4th place :kicksrock:

 
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