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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

It sucks your ankle started to flare up, but you're being smart.

I will be racing Shamrock, but I am not sure if I will be following a plan.  I am leaning towards just base building, all easy miles with little to no quality.  Pretty much the opposite of what everyone else here plans on doing with Hanson.  I don't feel physically ready to follow a formal training plan. 
Yeah, I have thought about this too. Part of me loves the structure of a training plan but I know that I'm not ready for structure and don't know when I will be. Gotta do my best to listen to my body the next couple months.

On your end, I'm sure after a couple months of steady running you'll be back in BQ shape with or without a bunch of workouts. 

 
Yeah, I have thought about this too. Part of me loves the structure of a training plan but I know that I'm not ready for structure and don't know when I will be. Gotta do my best to listen to my body the next couple months.

On your end, I'm sure after a couple months of steady running you'll be back in BQ shape with or without a bunch of workouts. 
Yeah I am trying to take the long view here, there will be no PRs for me this spring but I want to set myself up to possibly set some in the fall and in Boston. 

 
Glad you have some answers, but that sucks too.  What does the bold really mean?  3mi?  10mi?
Not sure yet. From the limited reading I have done, basically I have determined:

1. Exercise is fine.

2. Exercise can cause symptoms to flare up.

3. I can eat meat, fish, poultry, fruits, veggies, breads, cereals, healthy fats, and dairy.

4. Triggers that cause flare ups include: meat, raw fruits and vegetables, dairy, seeds, nuts, popcorn, alcohol, caffeine, spicy foods, dried beans, legumes, foods high in fiber

So basically, I'm fooked.  :lol:

 
lol.... I did NYC after my first was born and I was killing myself at work. coming off of almost two years of bupkis following my last tri, I did 3-4 months of 2x runs per week. tempo/pacing during the week and long run over the weekend. 

it didn't really work.
 
Not sure yet. From the limited reading I have done, basically I have determined:

1. Exercise is fine.

2. Exercise can cause symptoms to flare up.

3. I can eat meat, fish, poultry, fruits, veggies, breads, cereals, healthy fats, and dairy.

4. Triggers that cause flare ups include: meat, raw fruits and vegetables, dairy, seeds, nuts, popcorn, alcohol, caffeine, spicy foods, dried beans, legumes, foods high in fiber

So basically, I'm fooked.  :lol:
There's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about but I'd bet the flare ups in the past had more to do with diet than your running.  I wouldn't rule out running and marathoning unless you're positive that's a trigger.

Did the doctor advise you to keep a detailed log of what you eat?  Over time that's the best way to really figure out what foods cause issues are which foods don't.   

 
Yeah, would be nice if it was completely over it but as you're doing, I'm going to focus on overall fitness and make sure I'm getting in 5-7 hours of cardio a week. When my ankle gets right I think realistically I could be ready for a marathon in 10-12 weeks.

I've gotten my calves dry needled before and agree that it's great for treating your achilles. Tough to get those knots out otherwise. I really wish I would have gone to see my PT some needling after my Oct. half marathon because I'm pretty sure my calves led to my ankle crap. 
Wow cool - I didn't know you did the dry needling.  I'd never heard of it until recently.  I'm going to give it a shot. :thumbup:  

 
There's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about but I'd bet the flare ups in the past had more to do with diet than your running.  I wouldn't rule out running and marathoning unless you're positive that's a trigger.

Did the doctor advise you to keep a detailed log of what you eat?  Over time that's the best way to really figure out what foods cause issues are which foods don't.   
We haven't gone in-depth yet of the best way to manage this long-term. For the next 8 weeks I am on some medication to reduce the current flare-up issue. So during that span, my plan at least is to reduce some of the biggies - caffeine, alcohol, and spicy foods. Nuts, seeds, popcorn, etc have pretty much been out of my diet for the last 6 months or so.

I am going to run - from what I gather moderate running shouldn't make me feel any worse than I do now, and I need the exercise to reduce stress (another trigger) anyway. 

But I think you are probably right in a way in regards to diet, but I believe it may be HOW I eat as much as WHAT I eat. In combination with the running as well. There are so many potential variables here that you are correct in that a detailed log is going to be important. 

 
On 3/17/2016 at 8:58 AM, Hang 10 said:

@igbomb I agree with Ned. My achilles has been giving some problems this past year and for the most part, it's because my calf is really sore and tight. A week of foam rolling and the irritation usually subsides. I also recommend using a heel lock lacing technique. My achilles feels better when it's not moving around in the shoe too much.

Are you still using this lacing technique?  With all the ankle and Achilles issues around here I thought it was worth bumping.

 
So to follow up, results are mixed. Nothing that indicates cancer, though they are doing a biopsy just in case.

I DO have ulcerative colitis, which will apparently affect me the rest of my life. And I'm guessing this is what I've been dealing with for the last year or two. No known causes and no known cure. So basically a chronic disease that I will have to manage. On some medication for the next 8 weeks to help get things under control, and then after that: who knows?

Follow up with doc after that. In my limited reading over the last 12 hours, diet is one way to "manage" it, but realistically it looks like something I just need to figure out what the triggers are and work around them and hope stuff doesn't flare up. Looks like exercise is OK in moderation, but I think my hopes for a spring marathon are dashed for now until I figure out the next steps.
This is a bit of a dart throw, but if I were in your shoes the first thing I would try as it relates to diet would be going gluten free.  It wouldn't be easy, but I've just known a few people (and heard about far more) whom have had various ailments that disappear extremely quickly upon making that dietary change.  I think it would absolutely be worth a try for a month if you can summon the will power to do it. 

Good luck.  I certainly hope you figure this out. 

 
Are you still using this lacing technique?  With all the ankle and Achilles issues around here I thought it was worth bumping.
"we want to wrench down on the laces until all circulation is cutoff to the foot. really get in there and cinch off the flow of blood. nice & tight..."

seriously, though, anyone know what shoes those are? 

 
http://wbay.com/2016/12/13/allouez-to-plow-fox-river-trail-for-winter-biking-and-hiking/

yessssssssssssssssssssssss!

paved trail that goes from downtown GB (a mile from my house) south about 10 miles.. then becomes pea gravel for.. i have no idea, plenty far enough.

i'll have to drive a bit to where it will be plowed (maybe 10 minutes) and at that maybe can fit it in once a week but that'll be so much nicer than running on the ice & snow every time out.  hopefully this spurs GB to plow their share of the trail.

(now that i look at where they'll start plowing, if they just continued another... 200 yards north, they'd be at the 0 mile marker.)

 
All aboard the non running train ;)
And right as I'm starting to ramp it back up!  After struggling to find any consistency or focus this Fall, I'm just working now on getting back to my "base volume" of around 9-10 hours per week by the end of December.  Focusing now on upping the frequency/consistency now to get my body used to running regularly again, so I've run 9 of the last 10 days (rest day tomorrow) and I'll start to add longer runs back in again.  Then in January I'll step into a planned-out WS100 training block.  I'm still noodling some different ideas and timelines around in my head, but as of now I'm leaning towards going with the approach advocated by Jason Koop in his book Training Essentials for Ultrarunning.  Essentially his idea is to focus on one system at a time, working from least specific to most as you approach the race.  So it'll likely look something like 4 weeks of vo2 Max work (3 minute hill intervals), 4-6 weeks of LT work (8-20 minute intervals), and then focusing on Endurance and specificity for the bulk of the training.  He talks about this idea of a string of fitness, and pulling on the top end of the string improves everything else along it.  Not sure if that makes sense but it resonates with me.  And I'm hoping that since I essentially "just ran" all of last year that I'll see some pretty quick adaptations to these new intensities.  

Two other things to work on - I need to bulletproof my IT bands as much as possible, as that's been an issue in almost every race over 50K.  Any thoughts there?  

The other big one (pun intended) is my body composition - I'm fat.  My weight has always been an issue for me, in fact it's the reason I started running in the first place.  I'm 5'11", and after peaking at almost 230 pounds back in 2003-04 I settled in at 215ish for several years, until I started running.  Running at least some brings that down to around 200 lbs that is easily maintained.  And that's still fat.  When I get into training consistently, 190ish becomes my homeostasis.  Still fat.  When I got serious for Pine to Palm in 2014 I got down to about 180 - still carrying a little extra but feeling pretty good about where I was.  So the goal for Western States is 175.  My recent off season (Less Running, More Pizza and Beer!) had me at about 205 the day after the WS lottery.  So I need to lose 30 lbs in 29 weeks, right about the pound a week that any expert would recommend.  I'm not planning on any drastic diets or anything, just working on eating clean, moderating carb consumption, and watching the booze.  Combined with the ramp up in training i know I can get to where I need to be.

Sorry for the long write-up on this, but I wanted to throw it out here for accountability purposes.  I plan on bumping the above paragraph periodically with an update to ensure I'm staying on track.

 
Two other things to work on - I need to bulletproof my IT bands as much as possible, as that's been an issue in almost every race over 50K.  Any thoughts there?  

The other big one (pun intended) is my body composition - I'm fat.  
I think you may have answered your own question.

In all seriousness, the tension from all of those hills and miles need to go somewhere.  Less weight, less tension.  More muscle, less fat, and muscle absorbs more tension.

Is it the only answer?  Highly unlikely, but it's one of them.  I believe the biggest reasons I achieved the gains that I did this year and stayed for the most part healthy were pretty simple - I ran a lot more miles and I lost a lot of weight.

 
I think you may have answered your own question.

In all seriousness, the tension from all of those hills and miles need to go somewhere.  Less weight, less tension.  More muscle, less fat, and muscle absorbs more tension.

Is it the only answer?  Highly unlikely, but it's one of them.  I believe the biggest reasons I achieved the gains that I did this year and stayed for the most part healthy were pretty simple - I ran a lot more miles and I lost a lot of weight.
Oh no doubt, a combo of less weight and more muscle will help.  And running will accomplish both, to an extent.  But I'm looking for specific ways to strengthen the issues that lead to ITBS, which I believe lies in the hips and glutes.  So I know things like lunges (calling @tri-man 47) and clamshells and things like that will help, just curious if others have overcome the issue with any specific exercises or program.

Or maybe I just need to get one of these?

 
This question is for @tri-man 47 or any other Chicago marathon veterans.

I'm looking for my hotel for Chicago Marathon.  I was planning on staying at https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chirl-residence-inn-chicago-downtown-loop/?scid=bb1a189a-fec3-4d19-a255-54ba596febe2

Is this walkable to whatever I would need to get to?  Any concerns about this property?  I have a good rate here so if I move, it will likely cost an additional $150+/night.  I'm a FBG but I'm a poor FBG.  :P
Steel - This is right in the heart of the 'Loop' ...right in the heart of the business district.  It's certainly safe, and it's certainly walkable (half-mile'ish) to the start (due east).  It's not in the night life district, though you can get to places easy enough, and it should generally be quiet at nighttime.  Bottom line, it's fine.

You coming alone or with your significant other?  Let me know if you want to consider staying out in Oak Park ...crash at my place, or if you want privacy, you could stay at one of the Oak Park hotels (or an AirBnB) and I could drop you off on race morning.  That adds a bit more logistics before/after the race, but it's less expensive and let's you escape some of the city madness.  Worst case, we could have a Saturday night dinner gathering of the Chicago guys (Juxt; Brony).

 
Oh no doubt, a combo of less weight and more muscle will help.  And running will accomplish both, to an extent.  But I'm looking for specific ways to strengthen the issues that lead to ITBS, which I believe lies in the hips and glutes.  So I know things like lunges (calling @tri-man 47) and clamshells and things like that will help, just curious if others have overcome the issue with any specific exercises or program.

Or maybe I just need to get one of these?
Since I haven't dealt with the IT band before I wanted to stay away, but given the lack of feedback it looks like others haven't either. While I can't recommend specific exercises I will say that whatever those are need to be mixed in with other exercises to work on muscles throughout your body. In order to be more efficient I believe you have to work everything.

I am to the point in which I don't do many different exercises - lunges, squats, push ups, dips, reverse crunches, kettlebell stuff when I'm home. I just mix up how I do them so my muscles don't adapt and make the routine so comfortable I limit progress per session. 

 
Since I haven't dealt with the IT band before I wanted to stay away, but given the lack of feedback it looks like others haven't either. While I can't recommend specific exercises I will say that whatever those are need to be mixed in with other exercises to work on muscles throughout your body. In order to be more efficient I believe you have to work everything.

I am to the point in which I don't do many different exercises - lunges, squats, push ups, dips, reverse crunches, kettlebell stuff when I'm home. I just mix up how I do them so my muscles don't adapt and make the routine so comfortable I limit progress per session. 
Your last line is probably perfect.  You can get really good at something by doing it a lot.  But you're risking injury if you overdo one thing without balance.  

I ran today, 5 easy miles.  And I'm reading The compass of pleasure - a book about addiction of all types including exercise.  It's spot on.  Part of me didn't want to run but the greater part wanted to get out there. 

 
Steel - This is right in the heart of the 'Loop' ...right in the heart of the business district.  It's certainly safe, and it's certainly walkable (half-mile'ish) to the start (due east).  It's not in the night life district, though you can get to places easy enough, and it should generally be quiet at nighttime.  Bottom line, it's fine.

You coming alone or with your significant other?  Let me know if you want to consider staying out in Oak Park ...crash at my place, or if you want privacy, you could stay at one of the Oak Park hotels (or an AirBnB) and I could drop you off on race morning.  That adds a bit more logistics before/after the race, but it's less expensive and let's you escape some of the city madness.  Worst case, we could have a Saturday night dinner gathering of the Chicago guys (Juxt; Brony).
Awesome!  That is helpful and incredibly generous of you.   I'll likely stay in the city because my wife and kids are likely coming and I like being near the action.  However, if things change, I'll definitely let you know. 

Regardless, a FBG/Chicago marathon get together sounds fabulous as I'd like to meet you, @Juxtatarot, @Brony, etc.

Thanks again!

 
The saddest part of winter?  Putting on the trainer tire and hitting sufferfest.  I don't like changing the tire more often than necessary so that means I'll probably not ride outside again until late March.  I tried my old rear wheel but it didn't fit on the trainer :(  (I was able to sit on it a couple days ago but really unstable so I changed to my normal wheel today)

Anyway, first sufferfest ride of the year and I see I'm at 2758 miles on the bike.  Trying to decide if I want to make 3,000 a goal - that means roughly 12 hours on the trainer in the next 16 days, at least 4 of which I won't be riding (doctor tomorrow, and Christmas with the in laws). Doable if no running. 

 
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The saddest part of winter?  Putting on the trainer tire and hitting sufferfest.  I don't like changing the tire more often than necessary so that means I'll probably not ride outside again until late March.  I tried my old rear wheel but it didn't fit on the trainer :(  (I was able to sit on it a couple days ago but really unstable so I changed to my normal wheel today)

Anyway, first sufferfest ride of the year and I see I'm at 2758 miles on the bike.  Trying to decide if I want to make 3,000 a goal - that means roughly 12 hours on the trainer in the next 16 days, at least 4 of which I won't be riding (doctor tomorrow, and Christmas with the in laws). Doable if no running. 
trainers are the ####### worst.

 
Screw trying to hit the round numbers and focus on recovering, that is that lesson I am trying to learn myself.
Recovery is the primary goal, but honestly I feel pretty recovered and that's a benefit of the trainer right now, especially if I just don't run much.  I probably don't want to do sufferfest to the max everyday but a relaxed ride while watching a movie?  Seems a decent way to recover. 

 
Sure, but compared to riding at 22 degrees?  Trainer it is
mentioned it earlier... I used to love riding in the cold as long as it wasn't wet. 

that said... 22 is pushing it. I used to use those snap-hand warmers on top of the shoes and in the gloves for the lower temps. but the nose, ears and ends of digits would still get a little frozen, yeah.

 
Recovery is the primary goal, but honestly I feel pretty recovered and that's a benefit of the trainer right now, especially if I just don't run much.  I probably don't want to do sufferfest to the max everyday but a relaxed ride while watching a movie?  Seems a decent way to recover. 
You feel pretty recovered 5 days after a 14mins PR in the marathon?

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Recovery is the primary goal, but honestly I feel pretty recovered and that's a benefit of the trainer right now, especially if I just don't run much.  I probably don't want to do sufferfest to the max everyday but a relaxed ride while watching a movie?  Seems a decent way to recover. 
Sufferfest rides within a month of racing a marathon concern me.  That being said I don’t know anything about bike rides or what a sufferfest ride entails.  

 
Sufferfest rides within a month of racing a marathon concern me.  That being said I don’t know anything about bike rides or what a sufferfest ride entails.  
IMO, just getting on the trainer is a sufferfest.

but yeah- recovery time after a race while watching tv? sure.

 
What kind of sick?  If its just a head cold, go for it.  Otherwise, trust your gut.
Congested hazy head cold.  Breathing is not so good.  I have until Saturday morning.  We'll see.  Really want to do this one at it is number 14 this year.

 
Ankle is feeling pretty good this week. Have run daily but keepin em short. So far so good. So why not run a race Saturday? It's only a 5 miler!

Yeah, so I signed up for Santa 5 mile run on the boardwalk under the Christmas lights this weekend. Everyone is supposed wear a 5 piece Santa suit that's included with registration. The race organizers are attempting to break the world record with approx 5,000 runners in full garb. 

I would say that I'm going to take it easy but you guys know better. We'll see how it goes...

 
mentioned it earlier... I used to love riding in the cold as long as it wasn't wet. 

that said... 22 is pushing it. I used to use those snap-hand warmers on top of the shoes and in the gloves for the lower temps. but the nose, ears and ends of digits would still get a little frozen, yeah.
I've gotten soft with cold while living in the south.  150+ si?  I'll slow down but get it done (especially on the bike).  Below freezing on the bike?  F that.  Back in Kansas I'd ride no problem at those temps (granted, not quite as long or fast).  I'd go out in the field, ride with my head sticking out of the Bradley below zero, snot freezing, dip in my mouth, loving it. Not us but could have been.  No more! 

 
ran with a cold on Wednesday. highs in the low single digits, wind chills in the negative teens. thought, i better bundle up and take it easy.  took it easy.. wore... two too many layers. felt like i couldn't move my limbs. like running with a straight jacket on. 

between not being able to breathe and the binding feeling of 4 layers of clothes.... not good times.

 
ran with a cold on Wednesday. highs in the low single digits, wind chills in the negative teens. thought, i better bundle up and take it easy.  took it easy.. wore... two too many layers. felt like i couldn't move my limbs. like running with a straight jacket on. 

between not being able to breathe and the binding feeling of 4 layers of clothes.... not good times.
Furley

 
Push harder? You did run the first half in 1:33. You saying you sandbagged the rest?
:shrug: didn't feel like it at the time. 

Fwiw, I was kidding.  I've always recovered pretty well.  I'd like to attribute it to diet but I ate like #### this weekend.  (Fairly healthy since Monday)

 
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