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SFBayDuck
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Shouldn't that be a DQ? He didn't finish the race under his own power.
I know at WS100 it is. In 2006 the leader hit the track and kept collapsing, and was helped up and across the finish line. He was DQ'd.
Good movie about his return 10 years later to run (and finish) the race.
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Hang 10
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Oh 100% that should be a DQ. In some races the guys who helped him would be DQ'd as well.
I guess it's not super important but more than likely that was a BQ time and it would suck for someone to not get in next year because this guy got a spot.
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Osaurus
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New shoes yielded a small blister on right heel. That's why I walked last night. 
Hopefully hitting the treadmill tonight to see how things go and a good run tomorrow night and Thursday night. I hate these damn things!!! Airport 5k (on main runway) Saturday morning then off to Vegas next week 
for some quality hiking in Death Valley and Red Rock Canyon with other wholesome activities.
Hopefully hitting the treadmill tonight to see how things go and a good run tomorrow night and Thursday night. I hate these damn things!!! Airport 5k (on main runway) Saturday morning then off to Vegas next week for some quality hiking in Death Valley and Red Rock Canyon with other wholesome activities.
Juxtatarot
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Were you fitted with them at a running store? You might want to return them. New shoes shouldn't give you a blister. I wonder if they are too small for you.Osaurus said:New shoes yielded a small blister on right heel. That's why I walked last night.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Work shoes. Stupid Borns. Just a fluke thing. Once upon a time I wore a size 12. Now I am down to a 10/10.5. Brooks run small so 11.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I'm torn on this one. If it's me and I see a runner in distress, I stop and help, which I know is different than what you are saying. No race or time is so important to me that I won't do that. And if I were to get DQ'd for something like that, then so be it. As far as carrying them over the line, I probably would help. People work hard for these, and they all have different stories, and I guess the compassion in me would take over if I were ever in that situation. Even if we were both DQ'd, I wouldn't care, and I would hope the person who I helped would appreciate the humanity involved.Hang 10 said:
But, there is no right or wrong answer here, and I totally get what you are saying.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Actually, I have to back this one up a notch. While I did most of it on my own, I took my good samaritan's arm for at least a half block mile 24/25ish. It may have been more or less, but as disoriented as I was no way of me remembering exactly how much. I think carrying someone is next level and while it's easy for me to sit here and say I wouldn't do it I'd also have said the same about the crutch before that race - my actions in that moment sure weren't the same as my keyboard warrior talk now!
-OZ-
Footballguy
Unless of course you're trying to stay in zone 2 in warmer temps than you're used to and walk uphill. (Like me this morning)tri-man 47 said:
Ironman = DQSFBayDuck said:
I held my 8yo's hand towards the end of our last race. Not enough to carry but I know it made him go faster. Still on his two feet.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I wouldn't stop because I don't think there is a point to it. If the runner pulled a hamstring or something, he can wait for medical help or help from a spectator. It's not an urgent problem. If the runner is having a heart attack or something, I don't have the knowledge or skills to help anyway.
I agree with @Hang 10. To be carried across a finish line would be incredibly embarrassing and something I would refuse.
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-OZ-
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Just checked to see if pinhotti is a qualifier for WS100 and what other local races qualify. That's the only one in bama, none in Tennessee (thought barkley might) and one in Georgia. This sounds fun
The race is 68ish miles with close to 40,000 feet of elevation change, starting at Vogel State Park and finishing at Amicalola Falls State Park.
The race is 68ish miles with close to 40,000 feet of elevation change, starting at Vogel State Park and finishing at Amicalola Falls State Park.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I might have shared at some point:
Many, many years ago, halfway through a 25K race (that was going very poorly for me), I came across one of three blind runners (technically; not 100%). They'd been introduced at the start, and each had a guide with them. This guy was running alone ...also having a bad day, so he sent his guide on ahead to run his own race. I offered to, and ended up, running alongside this guy for the last handful of miles. He kept wanting to stop, but I encouraged him to keep going (which helped keep me going). As we got into downtown Grand Rapids, everyone was cheering and shouting his name. I asked, "how do they all know you??" Turns out he'd been featured in the local paper earlier in the week. As we stepped up a curb and through a plaza to the finish, he did rest a hand on my arm, though I took a step back to let him finish in front of me. His wife and kids were there to greet him. A neat moment ...I was happy that he didn't end up quitting the race or walking it in, given all the support that was waiting for him.
Of course, if he'd have cramped up or totally bonked, I would have just dumped his sorry ## alongside the road.
Many, many years ago, halfway through a 25K race (that was going very poorly for me), I came across one of three blind runners (technically; not 100%). They'd been introduced at the start, and each had a guide with them. This guy was running alone ...also having a bad day, so he sent his guide on ahead to run his own race. I offered to, and ended up, running alongside this guy for the last handful of miles. He kept wanting to stop, but I encouraged him to keep going (which helped keep me going). As we got into downtown Grand Rapids, everyone was cheering and shouting his name. I asked, "how do they all know you??" Turns out he'd been featured in the local paper earlier in the week. As we stepped up a curb and through a plaza to the finish, he did rest a hand on my arm, though I took a step back to let him finish in front of me. His wife and kids were there to greet him. A neat moment ...I was happy that he didn't end up quitting the race or walking it in, given all the support that was waiting for him.
Of course, if he'd have cramped up or totally bonked, I would have just dumped his sorry ## alongside the road.
Did that one, at least 60 miles of it. Logistics suck. It was in Feb when I did it so the trails were covered in leaves. With the current April race date that might be better.
SteelCurtain
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Anyone planning on seeing BOSTON: The Documentary tomorrow?
I don't understand why its one night only. They must be planning on selling it as a DVD or something? The nearest theatre is an hour away. I'm gonna see if I can pull it off with family responsibilities.
I don't understand why its one night only. They must be planning on selling it as a DVD or something? The nearest theatre is an hour away. I'm gonna see if I can pull it off with family responsibilities.
-OZ-
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gruecd
Footballguy
Meh. As a 7x finisher, I don't know what they're gonna tell me that I don't already know. I'll wait until it hits Netflix.
bushdocda
Footballguy
Shoe tangent - breaking in some lower (for me) drop trail shoes (Brooks puregrit4s) and road shoes (topo athletic ultraflys). Coming down from around 8mm drop to 4 and 5 respectively. Taking my time and working my lower legs/feet a lot mobility wise.
Safe to run a trail HM June 11 in the lower drop brooks assuming I continue without issues and progress into June?
Safe to run a trail HM June 11 in the lower drop brooks assuming I continue without issues and progress into June?
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Probably, but just depends on how you adjust. I recently moved from Hoka (4mm) to Altra (0 mm). I started with running one short run a week in the Altras, then two, then every other run. After a couple of weeks, I started using the Altras on longer runs. I wasn't actually planning on giving up the Hokas, but the last pair I had blew out the uppers short of 250 miles, so I replaced them with another pair of Altras and have been running exclusively in zero drop shoes for about a month now.
Pay attention to any calf/achilles tightness, as that's where you're likely to feel any adjustment issues. I spent extra time working on my calves during that time, which I've actually kept up with 2x daily Roll Recovery sessions.
mr. furley
Footballguy
tried out Tailwind (lemon) this morning
no bad side effects. taste was meh but not offensive. just kind of there.
it didn't help my legs feel any better but my mental acuity was top shelf. felt like what i imagine coke must do to people. my focus didn't flag, i didn't get nagging doubt. my mind didn't wander. i was just dialed in.
ran slow and easy, which usually makes me feel like crap but not this morning.
no bad side effects. taste was meh but not offensive. just kind of there.
it didn't help my legs feel any better but my mental acuity was top shelf. felt like what i imagine coke must do to people. my focus didn't flag, i didn't get nagging doubt. my mind didn't wander. i was just dialed in.
ran slow and easy, which usually makes me feel like crap but not this morning.
JShare87
Footballguy
MAC_32
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gruecd
Footballguy
For trails, I still loooooooooooove New Balance Vazee Summit, and they're on clearance right now (because the new model came out) on Running Warehouse for $59.88 (and you can get another 15% off by using the code BLSRCD).
Can't go wrong getting an awesome pair of trail shoes for $50 with free 2-day shipping!
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bushdocda
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Thanks @SFBayDuck. Proceeding with alternation and attention.
For anyone wondering what happened to skora shoes, just got a email message that they are partnered up with someone new and will be back in production with shoes available this fall. Never heard about them until Endurance Planet mentioned them many times and a search showed they were out of stock with no updates (till now).
Almost got crazy and ordered a stray pair from Australia but put the scotch down and left the site and patience prevailed.
ChiefD
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Osaurus
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SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Your mom doesn't like to drive 100 miles.
This is old...but funny.
Brony
Footballguy
Got a 5K on Sunday AM. First race in well over a year so excited to get back out there(!) I also expect that around the 2 mile mark to be hating my body and wondering why the hell I do this to myself.
All things considered, I'm in pretty good shape for this as I'm still testing the limits on what my calf will handle and I've been pushing that limit the last week or so. The calf has been doing OK , so this is a rare race that I can go into not wondering if my calf will blow up mid-race. Based on Strava and my background, I should be below 22:00 and if I'm near 21:00 I'll take that as a good day. This is a big, fast race so zero ambitions of any hardware and will definitely get chick'd. Fingers crossed for a good day - forecast looks to be low 40's which is good for my purposes My bro is doing the same race as is the husband of a good friend. Our kids will all do the fun run too.
Race aside, I hope that I can progressively bump up the mileage the next few weeks/months and get more endurance as that has been in short supply the last few years that I've been running.
All things considered, I'm in pretty good shape for this as I'm still testing the limits on what my calf will handle and I've been pushing that limit the last week or so. The calf has been doing OK , so this is a rare race that I can go into not wondering if my calf will blow up mid-race. Based on Strava and my background, I should be below 22:00 and if I'm near 21:00 I'll take that as a good day. This is a big, fast race so zero ambitions of any hardware and will definitely get chick'd. Fingers crossed for a good day - forecast looks to be low 40's which is good for my purposes My bro is doing the same race as is the husband of a good friend. Our kids will all do the fun run too.
Race aside, I hope that I can progressively bump up the mileage the next few weeks/months and get more endurance as that has been in short supply the last few years that I've been running.
Nigel
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Did my first 90 min Peloton ride yesterday, 35 miles, output ranked 14 of 340 riders. First time in a long time I had that "just did a hard long run" feeling afterwards. Took a two hour nap in the afternoon. Felt great, like old times.
My wife took my two girls to NYC for a long weekend. She met a friend and went to the Peloton studio where the broadcast the rides from, I joined them for the class from home on Friday morning. They were positioned where I could see them bouncing along as I rode, was pretty cool.
My wife took my two girls to NYC for a long weekend. She met a friend and went to the Peloton studio where the broadcast the rides from, I joined them for the class from home on Friday morning. They were positioned where I could see them bouncing along as I rode, was pretty cool.
SFBayDuck
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Week one of the two week taper went well, dropped from 11 hrs last week to just under 7 hrs, although I still got in 6 runs and 4,400' of gain for the week. Today's 9 miler on my local 1,500' peak felt easier than it ever has on both the running and hiking sections, just nice and easy up and down.
I've also gotten in the sauna every day this week for 20-30 minutes for a little heat acclimation protocol, and will keep that up for 2 more days. That was more a "just in case" for next weekend's race, but also to mimic what I'll be doing going into States. As of now the weather for next week looks pretty nice - a little rain early in the week which should give the trails enough time to dry out a bit, and then a high of 69 and sunny on race day.
I've also gotten in the sauna every day this week for 20-30 minutes for a little heat acclimation protocol, and will keep that up for 2 more days. That was more a "just in case" for next weekend's race, but also to mimic what I'll be doing going into States. As of now the weather for next week looks pretty nice - a little rain early in the week which should give the trails enough time to dry out a bit, and then a high of 69 and sunny on race day.
Osaurus
Footballguy
5k on the runway at Tampa airport was fun yesterday. That's some tough surface and you're totally exposed out there. My time was better than last year so I'm happy. So freaking humid here today. Got in about 4.5 miles and then the humidity and sun took me down a notch. My next race is a 10k in St. Pete in a couple of weeks. I'm off to do some hiking in Death Valley and Red Rock Canyon and spend some time in Vegas next week. Might try to get at least one run in out there.
Brony
Footballguy
Ravenswood Race 5K report
Expectations: as mentioned earlier, I knew that my fitness should easily get me lower than 22, but I was hoping for 21-ish. Historically, I was doing 20:30 to 21:00 typically a couple of years ago.
Pre-race: my calf that has been pretty good of late, but it's still a very up/down recovery. The calf was feeling the worst it's been feeling yesterday afternoon. That was after rest day thursday, and real light days Fri & Sat. (cool injury - isn't it?). In the past, I probably would have scrapped the race, but my MD has been encouraging to run through this kind of pain, so I went. Since my kids were doing the kids run, all of us left the house early. I was up first and had a good race day morning. Then, I had to continually cajole the family while still trying to stay upbeat - the biggest challenge of the day, mind you.
Parked 1/2 mile away from start so didn't leave a lot of time for pre-race warmup as I had to find my brother to get my bib. Maybe 1/3 mile jog and a couple of sprints.
Race conditions - sunny, clear 50F. Perfect.
Race: even though I'm in the first corral, there was a lot of crowding in the first half mile. I wound up jumping to the sidewalk and sprinting to get out of the pack, so it wasn't ideal pacing mile 1. Rest of the race went pretty good. I found a comfortable pace fairly easily and had many people around to keep that level going. Race was through tree-lined streets of Chicago - flat and pleasant.
Mile 1: ~6:25. Fast for me, but breathing was comfortable after my sidewalk sprint
Mile 2: ~6:35. Came through marker at 13:02 on my watch. During mile 2, I was focused on not killing myself and maintaining a good level of breathing
Mile 3: not sure exactly, I think the math works to 6:30. This third mile I could feel a good difference in endurance vs past 5Ks. I felt confident pushing the pace a little and wound up doing a pretty good push at the end.
Finish: 20:18 per chip, which is consistent with my wrist watch. I had some left in the tank at the end for sure - it wasn't a pukey kind of finish. No regrets about that - I ran a good pace for me for all 3 miles. I didn't leave a ton out there.
91 of 2,498. 5th in AG.
Overall, real happy with the outcome. This was first race since getting a solid book of running the last few months and I was still trying to feel what is the right 5K pace for me. Probably a PR for me since being an old dude, but seeing as I didn't even have a goal, I'm just happy I can run like that; time be damned.
My brother was fastest of the guys I knew running this. He was 18 and change. Long way to go to catch him.
As for the girls in the fun run... they had fun and we'll leave it at that.
Now just need to hope that my calf starts to turn for the better here. It's pretty darn sore right now .
Expectations: as mentioned earlier, I knew that my fitness should easily get me lower than 22, but I was hoping for 21-ish. Historically, I was doing 20:30 to 21:00 typically a couple of years ago.
Pre-race: my calf that has been pretty good of late, but it's still a very up/down recovery. The calf was feeling the worst it's been feeling yesterday afternoon. That was after rest day thursday, and real light days Fri & Sat. (cool injury - isn't it?). In the past, I probably would have scrapped the race, but my MD has been encouraging to run through this kind of pain, so I went. Since my kids were doing the kids run, all of us left the house early. I was up first and had a good race day morning. Then, I had to continually cajole the family while still trying to stay upbeat - the biggest challenge of the day, mind you.
Parked 1/2 mile away from start so didn't leave a lot of time for pre-race warmup as I had to find my brother to get my bib. Maybe 1/3 mile jog and a couple of sprints.
Race conditions - sunny, clear 50F. Perfect.
Race: even though I'm in the first corral, there was a lot of crowding in the first half mile. I wound up jumping to the sidewalk and sprinting to get out of the pack, so it wasn't ideal pacing mile 1. Rest of the race went pretty good. I found a comfortable pace fairly easily and had many people around to keep that level going. Race was through tree-lined streets of Chicago - flat and pleasant.
Mile 1: ~6:25. Fast for me, but breathing was comfortable after my sidewalk sprint
Mile 2: ~6:35. Came through marker at 13:02 on my watch. During mile 2, I was focused on not killing myself and maintaining a good level of breathing
Mile 3: not sure exactly, I think the math works to 6:30. This third mile I could feel a good difference in endurance vs past 5Ks. I felt confident pushing the pace a little and wound up doing a pretty good push at the end.
Finish: 20:18 per chip, which is consistent with my wrist watch. I had some left in the tank at the end for sure - it wasn't a pukey kind of finish. No regrets about that - I ran a good pace for me for all 3 miles. I didn't leave a ton out there.
91 of 2,498. 5th in AG.
Overall, real happy with the outcome. This was first race since getting a solid book of running the last few months and I was still trying to feel what is the right 5K pace for me. Probably a PR for me since being an old dude, but seeing as I didn't even have a goal, I'm just happy I can run like that; time be damned.
My brother was fastest of the guys I knew running this. He was 18 and change. Long way to go to catch him.
As for the girls in the fun run... they had fun and we'll leave it at that.
Now just need to hope that my calf starts to turn for the better here. It's pretty darn sore right now .
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Congrats, well done! I hope that calf comes around and you can keep building on the training you've been putting in.
mr. furley
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Awesome story!
Another good week for me:
M: Run - 6 miles
T: Swim - 2,000 yards (40 laps) with 34 @ 34:00
W: Bike - 45 minutes of killer work: cycles of 2:00 at too hard resistance, :30 'recovery' at moderate resistance. Measured at 22.75 mph.
Th: Swim - 1,500 yards (30 laps) with 5 x 5 @ :59-60 per lap, :20 rests
F: rest
S: Run - 6 miles
S: Bike - 90 minutes of 'endurance' work: Took one tick off the resistance and cruised rather comfortably at a high rpm. Felt easy, yet still 21.6 mph.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I really need to start factoring in manual labor into my plan. I knew I'd be doing a lot of it this weekend, but didn't front load my week mileage-wise so I could justify bailing. Oops. Welp, I said I'd have one down week this month and this was apparently it. Time to make up for it this week! 
Ned
Footballguy
Achilles tendinitis is marginally better, but still a problem. Had a follow-up with the orthopedic today, which was a waste of time/money. Just keep stretching and icing. Only thing surgery will fix is the calcification, which is a byproduct of my body trying to heal the tendinitis. So there's not much upside in going on the shelf for 6 (!!!) months.
He said I could get a high energy ultrasound to deal with the inflammation, but its really expensive and not covered by insurance.
I'm just about fed up.
He said I could get a high energy ultrasound to deal with the inflammation, but its really expensive and not covered by insurance.
I'm just about fed up.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Ooof.
I'd look for someone in your area that offers laser therapy. It's my understanding that it effectively is the "new" ultrasound, and much more effective. Here's a podcast from a couple of years ago on the topic.
I think you'll find it's either PTs or chiropractors that offer this. I went to a chiropractor that offered multiple modalities like electro-stim, Graston, and lasers, so I could get all three each session. They also worked with my insurance to maximize what coverage I could get (I think they got "creative" in how they coded the entries sometimes), and I was paying like $80 a session out of pocket. Not cheap, but it was worth it. Depending on your insurance, you may have to get a referral for coverage, but hopefully your ortho would give you that if you requested.
Have you been doing the Alfredson protocol? That is still considered the gold standard treatment for achilles tendinopathy. From A treatment algorithm for managing Achilles tendinopathy: new treatment options:
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gruecd
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Great day for sure!
Woke up at 6:30 and hopped on my phone while I was doing my business, noticed that the guy with whom I'm running was at a bar drunk posting on Facebook at midnight. Not a good sign. Picked him up at 7:45, and I could smell the booze the minute he got in the car. All of which was fine, because I wasn't really planning on "racing" anyway. Just thought it was funny, since a couple of years ago that would've been me. As it was, I was on my sister's couch sleeping at 9:30. #OldMan
Race itself was really nice. Two 12.5K loops on varied terrain. Mostly grass and dirt and a little bit of asphalt, but plenty wide to run side-by-side and nothing overly technical. Rolling hills, but nothing necessitating walking/hiking. There were a handful of low spots that were pretty muddy, to the point where my buddy lost his shoe in one of them and had to go back and get it.
Between his hangover and the fact that he (brilliantly) did leg day at the gym the previous day, my buddy was struggling a bit, so it was actually a fairly easy run for me. We averaged just under 9:00 pace, I think, but I have no idea how we placed. I wasn't racing, so I really didn't care.
I was actually happier about my run the next morning. Got up (after a night of having quite a few beers myself) and went for an easy 8-miler around Lake of the Isles and Lake Calhoun in Uptown. I love running up there and try to never miss an opportunity to do so. Started slow, but picked up the pace towards the end and knocked out the last three miles in 7:36/7:23/7:32. I think I'm slowly starting to get some speed back!
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Ned
Footballguy
As a form of treatment? No.
Yeah. He wants me to ditch the wall push stretch and do these exclusively. Do it every time I get a chance when going up/down the steps. Said I can't over do it.
Ned
Footballguy
No. I'm not technically on any restrictions. He said I can run "if it really meant that much to me", but knowing running while the achilles is still a problem wasn't going to do me any good.
At this point, the mental 'pain' from not running is trumping the achilles pain. I can't tell you how many times I've thought '#### it, im running' but can't convince myself that its the best idea.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Swim!No. I'm not technically on any restrictions. He said I can run "if it really meant that much to me", but knowing running while the achilles is still a problem wasn't going to do me any good.
At this point, the mental 'pain' from not running is trumping the achilles pain. I can't tell you how many times I've thought '#### it, im running' but can't convince myself that its the best idea.
