mr. furley
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how much light jogging do you do before your races? i see lots of people lightly jogging around getting warmed up before races. never done it myself but it seems popular.gianmarco said:
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Hang 10
Footballguy
Thanks!gianmarco said:@Hang 10 with a wicked fast time. Congrats!
ETA -- 10th overall and looks like 2nd in his AG.
That said, if he were a woman and over 65, he'd also have finished 2nd in AG. Some 68 year old woman ran it in 36:34 (5:54)
Looking further, that time for her has to be a mistake. The record for a woman in that age group is 42 minutes. Something not right.
Super stoked to break 38 min (37:59!). Did exactly what I wanted to do today. Ran smart and had a negative split. 2 weeks until the real race!
Nigel
Footballguy
Brony
Footballguy
LOL. Thanks.
EKG was normal. Probably muscle-skeletal kink or at least I hope so. We'll take some meds to get through today and see how this progresses.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Sounds like a very special little lady. Your outlook is amazing on this and I'm confident all will be okay. I'll be thinking of you and your family as you navigate this.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
For me, it depends on the distance and how intense I need to run the first mile.
For example, in a marathon, I jog maybe 1/2 to just get the blood moving (and sometimes its jogging in place because of the corrals). This isn't too important because I'm not going full tilt when I start the race.
Meanwhile a 5K, I'll run 2-3 miles before the race. I'll mix in some short bursts of speed to just get the legs accustomed to whats coming up. Because once the gun goes off on a 5K, it is go time.
JShare87
Footballguy
No real race report to speak of. My hamstring was hurting during my warm-up, so I knew it was something I was going to have to deal with the entire race. Wanted to start out somewhat slow just to make sure it didn’t pop. I am pretty disappointed in the time. I wanted to run closer to 1:28, guess I’m just not there yet. The leg was in pain most of the run, but I don’t think it had an impact on my time.
I ran a good race and maybe I could’ve ran a little faster, but based on my HR data, I think I ran about as good as I was capable of. The weather was 70 with 100% humidity, which is better than what I’m used to running in. Also, there was a stretch of about 30 yards that was completely under a foot of water. So from mile 5 on, my socks and shoes were completely soaked. 3rd overall and 2nd in AG. The wife and I had somewhere to be so we went back up there after for the awards. I got a pretty cool pumpkin head trophy, so that’s nice. Have a good Sunday everyone.
I ran a good race and maybe I could’ve ran a little faster, but based on my HR data, I think I ran about as good as I was capable of. The weather was 70 with 100% humidity, which is better than what I’m used to running in. Also, there was a stretch of about 30 yards that was completely under a foot of water. So from mile 5 on, my socks and shoes were completely soaked. 3rd overall and 2nd in AG. The wife and I had somewhere to be so we went back up there after for the awards. I got a pretty cool pumpkin head trophy, so that’s nice. Have a good Sunday everyone.
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mr. furley
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Hot Cider Hustle Half Marathon race report:
it was 29 degrees this morning
i ran
icicles formed on my forearms
my tights got so loose that they kept falling down. had to run with one hand holding them up for most of the last 4 miles.
i hurt
it was 29 degrees this morning
i ran
icicles formed on my forearms
my tights got so loose that they kept falling down. had to run with one hand holding them up for most of the last 4 miles.
i hurt
mr. furley
Footballguy
eta: this was more or less an out & back. small re-direct at the start for about a mile. when i hit about the 5 mile mark, the leader was coming back the other way. he was circa mile 9.
nobody behind him for.... 3-4 minutes?
what even??
nobody behind him for.... 3-4 minutes?
what even??
Osaurus
Footballguy
Brief race reports:
Weedon Island 8k Trail Run (10/28)
Race started around 9 on Saturday morning and the weather was pretty good for this race. It was a mix of trail and boardwalk as well as a tower climb and bell ring. Not my best time, but considering I haven’t run much in the last few weeks while in Houston, I’ll take it. Only 200 folks in this race (capped) made for a very nice morning run overall. Met some cool folks too. I had fun.
Fort De Soto Halloween 5k (10/29)
Halfathon and my 5k started slightly later than scheduled at 7:25 and 7:45. This was supposed to be the easier of my two races this weekend, but it was tough due to some squalls moving though earlier and a stiff breeze with 20-25 mph gusts out there on the course. For those of you on Strava, have a look at my 2nd mile. My first and third were better. I was heading back into the headwind which was rough due to my “costume”. My cone kept getting snapped back and forth and in the headwind so I tried to keep my head down the entire way back. Finally made the turn and had the tailwind again. Pretty sure my time would have been at least a minute or more faster this morning sans crappy weather. Oh well. I wasn’t even sure I would run in the cone at all, but I powered through it. Cone is now in the garbage. I had fun, but disappointed with my time.
Looking forward to a seemingly normal 10k next Saturday. I have one more race on Thanksgiving and then one in December before my trip to Hawaii
. That’s 19 for me this year (16 completed to date) and I’m already set through my half in March. Love reading the reports. Feeling real good right now and still going strong. Looking to run more the next couple of weeks while I’m at home. And gym time of course. Good luck fellas!!!
Weedon Island 8k Trail Run (10/28)
Race started around 9 on Saturday morning and the weather was pretty good for this race. It was a mix of trail and boardwalk as well as a tower climb and bell ring. Not my best time, but considering I haven’t run much in the last few weeks while in Houston, I’ll take it. Only 200 folks in this race (capped) made for a very nice morning run overall. Met some cool folks too. I had fun.
Fort De Soto Halloween 5k (10/29)
Halfathon and my 5k started slightly later than scheduled at 7:25 and 7:45. This was supposed to be the easier of my two races this weekend, but it was tough due to some squalls moving though earlier and a stiff breeze with 20-25 mph gusts out there on the course. For those of you on Strava, have a look at my 2nd mile. My first and third were better. I was heading back into the headwind which was rough due to my “costume”. My cone kept getting snapped back and forth and in the headwind so I tried to keep my head down the entire way back. Finally made the turn and had the tailwind again. Pretty sure my time would have been at least a minute or more faster this morning sans crappy weather. Oh well. I wasn’t even sure I would run in the cone at all, but I powered through it. Cone is now in the garbage. I had fun, but disappointed with my time.
Looking forward to a seemingly normal 10k next Saturday. I have one more race on Thanksgiving and then one in December before my trip to Hawaii
. That’s 19 for me this year (16 completed to date) and I’m already set through my half in March. Love reading the reports. Feeling real good right now and still going strong. Looking to run more the next couple of weeks while I’m at home. And gym time of course. Good luck fellas!!!
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pbm107
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I haven’t posted a weekly summary in a while, but this week is worth posting. This was a weekly mileage PR (85) and because I ran my long on a Saturday instead of Sunday I ended with 95 miles over 7 days. Today starts my 3 week taper for the marathon.
Things didn’t go exactly to plan this training cycle with a few missed runs because of business travel and a long marathon paced run missed due to runner’s knee, but I’m in pretty good shape. Sunday’s 10K should give me a good idea where I am at compared to the fall of 2015 when I set PRs in the 10K and marathon.
Things didn’t go exactly to plan this training cycle with a few missed runs because of business travel and a long marathon paced run missed due to runner’s knee, but I’m in pretty good shape. Sunday’s 10K should give me a good idea where I am at compared to the fall of 2015 when I set PRs in the 10K and marathon.
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Day Miles Pace Description HR Link
Mon 6.0 8:33 Morning Run 130 (67%) strava
Mon 4.0 8:31 Evening Run 132 (68%) strava
Tue 8.0 8:03 Morning Run 139 (71%) strava
Wed 12.0 7:54 6 X 1200s 141 (72%) strava
Thu 15.0 7:47 Morning Run 136 (70%) strava
Thu 4.0 8:36 Evening Run 125 (64%) strava
Fri 6.0 8:15 Morning Run 130 (67%) strava
Sat 22.0 7:39 Morning Run 139 (71%) strava
Sun 8.0 8:38 Morning Run 128 (66%) strava
85.0 8:03
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
pbm107
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
IDK I think maybe the "like" button is ruining this place. (I'm guilty of this too) I'm not going to spend too much time writing out a report if no one is going to respond to anything I write. Seems pointless.
Brony
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
Personally I like reading them because it seems I can always glean something important from each one. Plus, it adds a nice human element to just looking at a route on strava.
But if you just want to be a super fast strava ninja, strutting out there like a fast peacock while the rest of us try to gobble up scraps of your greatness, then so be it.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I was just going to like this post but I want to actually quote and respond to this. I like what you're saying here.
Hang 10
Footballguy
No, I totally get why people like race reports. I like reading them too. What I'm saying is that before like button was ever a thing, we all actually had to post a comment to say they liked something about the report. That interaction made typing out a long race report worth it IMO. Now we just hit like and move on. IDK maybe I'm the only one who feels this way.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I promise to give it not only a like but also a dancing pickle emoji. Or, if another poster beats me to that emoji, I will quote that post with a good posting emoji.
pbm107
Footballguy
Strava is great, but I think it has also hurt this thread at times. I don't know if anyone else does this, but I go back and read the old posts in this thread from time to time. I find reading the weekly and race reports of others (even mine) helpful, it is a good reminder of the challenges faced and lessons learned in different cycles or races. I tend to read from July 2015-December 2015 the most.
This helped me make a decision in training last week, I mentioned earlier today that I missed my Marathon Paced run this month due to runners knee, so I thought I’d just run it this week instead of the 22 planned. As the week went on I noticed that the weather Saturday would be better than Sunday for this effort. After running the 6X1200s and during the next day’s run I thought of this post:
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/724983-ran-a-10k-here-comes-pr-season/?page=93#comment-18235768 and decided to run the 22 vs the marathon pace run because I didn’t think I’d be recovered from the 5X1200s and the 19 miles I ran Thursday.
It is difficult trying to determine who your audience is, a lot of us have heard each other’s views on training methods over and over again but you never know if there is a nugget in your post or race report that will help someone else here. Personally I need to do a better job of posting in this thread.
I also think @Ned injury has had an impact, he is the unofficial social chair around here.
JShare87
Footballguy
Hate to say it, but I think I agree with Hang10 on this one. It was only a matter of time before I agreed with something he said.
Ned
Footballguy
Is this Run The Bridge?
My son and I recently drove over that bridge heading to his soccer game in Philly. I immediately recalled that 10K - fun times. I also think that's where the achilles issues started for me... running in those stupid flats.
Brony
Footballguy
Met with (new to me) MD today with the intent of doing testing for CECS (chronic exertional compartment syndrome). The test is: (1) stick needles in your leg and measure the pressure in your leg in different spots. (2) take needles out (3) Exercise/run until you expereince symptoms. (4) repeat needles in step 1. I had the test done back in Oct 2014 and the results showed post-run numbers high enough to be considered CECS, but below typical numbers of a textbook CECS case. Anyway, test isn't that painful that I recall, but I didn't like the idea of running til I experience symptoms as my version of the injury results has me experiencing symptoms until 15-45 minutes after a long run. And if I did 'experience symptoms', my leg would be trashed for the next 2 weeks. I also told him that I'm not doing surgery if he does determine CECS.
This lead to really good discussion with guy knowledgeable of this condition and really patient listener/thinker. My best interaction to date. After talking through my symptoms and injury patterns, he wasn't convinced that it was CECS. One hypothesis is that through running long periods, something in the kinetic chain gets fatigued and other body parts start overcompensating. He wishes he had MRI done on my full leg and not just the knee, as he was really digging into my case. Our talk lasted about 40 minutes.
As we talked more about the diagnostic needle pressure test, we landed on not doing it. He pointed out that if I did have CECS that surgery is not effective 43% of the time, so it's not a cure-all (hence my reluctance already trying surgery unsuccessfully)..
Next step is to see gait guru that he's been working with for many years out in western burbs of Chicago. There have been some successes in military CECS studies by changing stride form and cadence and might have some application for me. My problem is (1) some undiscovered anatomic problem combined with (2) how I run is leading to pain & injury-rehab cycles. If I can reduce some of the stress on my right calf by how I'm running, that might allow me to run a little further, but not expecting to get to 100% ever again.
If the gait stuff isn't working, then the diagnostic CECS test is still there for future date.
In other news, chest/shoulder/back pain is almost all gone as of this afternoon.
This lead to really good discussion with guy knowledgeable of this condition and really patient listener/thinker. My best interaction to date. After talking through my symptoms and injury patterns, he wasn't convinced that it was CECS. One hypothesis is that through running long periods, something in the kinetic chain gets fatigued and other body parts start overcompensating. He wishes he had MRI done on my full leg and not just the knee, as he was really digging into my case. Our talk lasted about 40 minutes.
As we talked more about the diagnostic needle pressure test, we landed on not doing it. He pointed out that if I did have CECS that surgery is not effective 43% of the time, so it's not a cure-all (hence my reluctance already trying surgery unsuccessfully)..
Next step is to see gait guru that he's been working with for many years out in western burbs of Chicago. There have been some successes in military CECS studies by changing stride form and cadence and might have some application for me. My problem is (1) some undiscovered anatomic problem combined with (2) how I run is leading to pain & injury-rehab cycles. If I can reduce some of the stress on my right calf by how I'm running, that might allow me to run a little further, but not expecting to get to 100% ever again.
If the gait stuff isn't working, then the diagnostic CECS test is still there for future date.
In other news, chest/shoulder/back pain is almost all gone as of this afternoon.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
I haven't. I did change my stride a number of years ago to get away from the heel strike, but that was not through any specific program or training. I'm not convinced a midfoot strike would necessarily shorten the stride. I think it'd be more about upper leg involvement/lift and leg rotation so the landing is midfoot, not on the heel. Is Mrs. Brony coming to watch the race on Saturday? Have her catch some video of your stride so you can look it through in slo-mo.
Brony
Footballguy
Saturday's forecast: 830A start; Rainy and 46F in the morning... 90% chance of wife and kids sleeping in.
I'm going to read up on this midfoot strike, gait and compartment. Gait is one of the last tools in the box that I haven't tried yet.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Joe Uhan is the "go to guy" for this kind of thing in the MUT world. He's written a ton on iRunFar on various aspects of training, biomechanics, injury prevention, and his specialty, gait. This one might be of interest to you.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
for SteelCurtain
Footballguy
I know I am in the minority in this thinking in increasing cadence, however, I was having some joint pain and a NCAA Division I coach recommended I increase my cadence. He said it would cause me to bounce less (therefore save energy), give me a mid foot landing (as opposed to heel landing), and make running easier on my body due to less jarring. I worked hard to increase the cadence about 10-20 steps per minute and now I'm at 190+ for most of my runs.
It was hard at first to increase cadence without increasing speed. Essentially you shorten your stride which allows you go from heel strike to mid foot strike. It takes some time (for me a month of concentration) before it became habit.
However, for me, it was transformational to my running. I wasn't banged up as much during marathon training so I didn't get hurt or need to skip runs. I embraced the Hanson method of training (which got me and @-OZ- both BQs). My marathon PR has gone from 3:29 to 3:18.
Honestly? This is going to be a #### show, and I'm pretty disappointed about that. Life got the better of me during the 3 and 4 weeks ago, which were supposed to be big mileage weeks, and then of course I got sick two weekends ago and am still battling whatever bug keeps cycling through our entire family. So I'm not well trained having run an average of about 10 miles per week the last 5 weeks, feeling ####ty, and as a result of those two things I'm getting a bit stressed. But hey, it's supposed to rain so that'll bring comfort and familiarity as it wouldn't be a 100 for me without lots of rain! So basically I'm working on giving my attitude a 180 over the next 4 days because it needs it, and I'm putting this out there right now....I. AM. NOT. QUITTING.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
In thinking about race reports, I do them for several reasons.
1. I really enjoy reading others race reports. Why wouldn't others want to read mine?
2. I get so much out of this place. I get motivation, training perspectives, gear ideas, and a terrific camaraderie. Maybe my little race report will help add to someone else's race.
3. Often when I write a race report, I get feedback or tips from you that I can apply to a future training cycle/race.
4. Its a terrific way to archive my race stuff so I can always go back and see what my reports have said if I want to. (I post some on facebook as well, but certainly not all of them.)
I vote we all keep doing them to keep this place awesome!
That's my 2
1. I really enjoy reading others race reports. Why wouldn't others want to read mine?
2. I get so much out of this place. I get motivation, training perspectives, gear ideas, and a terrific camaraderie. Maybe my little race report will help add to someone else's race.
3. Often when I write a race report, I get feedback or tips from you that I can apply to a future training cycle/race.
4. Its a terrific way to archive my race stuff so I can always go back and see what my reports have said if I want to. (I post some on facebook as well, but certainly not all of them.)
I vote we all keep doing them to keep this place awesome!
That's my 2
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Brony
Footballguy
I went to the archived thread yesterday to find my diagnostic test results from 2014(!)In thinking about race reports, I do them for several reasons.
4. Its a terrific way to archive my race stuff so I can always go back and see what my reports have said if I want to. (I post some on facebook as well, but certainly not all of them.)
That's my 2
-OZ-
Footballguy
Opened my Facebook feed this morning to see a buddy from the 82d died last night. We spent 6 months in an "office", he the provost Marshall, while I was the legal adviser for the command. Dude was only a few years older than me. No details right now but someone mentioned it was an accident.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Wait, why would we not continue to do race reports?In thinking about race reports, I do them for several reasons.
1. I really enjoy reading others race reports. Why wouldn't others want to read mine?
2. I get so much out of this place. I get motivation, training perspectives, gear ideas, and a terrific camaraderie. Maybe my little race report will help add to someone else's race.
3. Often when I write a race report, I get feedback or tips from you that I can apply to a future training cycle/race.
4. Its a terrific way to archive my race stuff so I can always go back and see what my reports have said if I want to. (I post some on facebook as well, but certainly not all of them.)
I vote we all keep doing them to keep this place awesome!
That's my 2
Mine are always scant, but I enjoy others.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Dang. Sorry to hear.
Opened my Facebook feed this morning to see a buddy from the 82d died last night. We spent 6 months in an "office", he the provost Marshall, while I was the legal adviser for the command. Dude was only a few years older than me. No details right now but someone mentioned it was an accident.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Awful news. RIP.
Opened my Facebook feed this morning to see a buddy from the 82d died last night. We spent 6 months in an "office", he the provost Marshall, while I was the legal adviser for the command. Dude was only a few years older than me. No details right now but someone mentioned it was an accident.
MAC_32
Footballguy
October - 162 miles, 20 hours 40 mins (7:40 avg pace).
Raced Oct 1 then took 8 days off, so 149 of those miles were in the last 3 weeks - extrapolates to a 200+ mile month.
Avg pace the last 9 days has been 7:33. I'm very encouraged about this because it really hasn't been my goal - at all. Currently I'm really just focusing on base building. If anything the one thing I've really focused on as far as my pace is concerned is to not fast finish. As a result I've been feeling fresher the next day, so I just do a similar pace again. Fast runs faster and slow runs slower will start sometime in the near future, so that'll change...but if this keeps up I may adjust my goal pace for training purposes and see how it goes.
That said, I have not done what I set out to do strength training-wise. It's been primarily push ups, lunges, body weight squats, dips, and a little bit of core work. But not enough of it. And I've pumped zero iron. I hope this doesn't bite me later, but I think I still have enough time to start good habits before more focused training begins.
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November goals
Tentative schedule says 230 miles. I probably won't do that much, but it felt good to see that number and not think the schedule was too daunting - high's during training last summer were 238 and 239. As long as it starts with a 2 I'll be happy, but I think I can easily do something in the 210-220 range.
Minimum 6 full weight room sessions. 12 total strength training sessions. Same weight as I am now (179) or a few pounds more. August levels are probably not feasible, but if I can get to July 1 levels I'll call it a success.
If I don't Turkey Trot then I'd like to do a quality MP test towards the end of the month and see how it goes.
Raced Oct 1 then took 8 days off, so 149 of those miles were in the last 3 weeks - extrapolates to a 200+ mile month.
Avg pace the last 9 days has been 7:33. I'm very encouraged about this because it really hasn't been my goal - at all. Currently I'm really just focusing on base building. If anything the one thing I've really focused on as far as my pace is concerned is to not fast finish. As a result I've been feeling fresher the next day, so I just do a similar pace again. Fast runs faster and slow runs slower will start sometime in the near future, so that'll change...but if this keeps up I may adjust my goal pace for training purposes and see how it goes.
That said, I have not done what I set out to do strength training-wise. It's been primarily push ups, lunges, body weight squats, dips, and a little bit of core work. But not enough of it. And I've pumped zero iron. I hope this doesn't bite me later, but I think I still have enough time to start good habits before more focused training begins.
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November goals
Tentative schedule says 230 miles. I probably won't do that much, but it felt good to see that number and not think the schedule was too daunting - high's during training last summer were 238 and 239. As long as it starts with a 2 I'll be happy, but I think I can easily do something in the 210-220 range.
Minimum 6 full weight room sessions. 12 total strength training sessions. Same weight as I am now (179) or a few pounds more. August levels are probably not feasible, but if I can get to July 1 levels I'll call it a success.
If I don't Turkey Trot then I'd like to do a quality MP test towards the end of the month and see how it goes.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Being newer to this thread, I find myself going back to read older posts in bits and pieces as well. I not only like the race reports but I love the training posts to see how you guys approach things and the thinking behind it. I try to look at the Strava runs and glean some of that but it's not the same. I don't know what the thread was like before, but I just hope you guys realize that anything you post here about what you do is welcome and appreciated by someone like me who is still learning a ton.
I hope you guys don't mind the stuff I post here as well as I know a lot of it is basic but the answers as well as thinking behind it is awesome. I've been trying to read on various things related to where I am and, while helpful, I feel like I've gotten so much more here from you all. But honestly, if it's too much, I don't mind backing off on them at all.
So, from my end, I hope the race reports don't slow down and I also would love to see as many training reports as possible as well from others.
I hope you guys don't mind the stuff I post here as well as I know a lot of it is basic but the answers as well as thinking behind it is awesome. I've been trying to read on various things related to where I am and, while helpful, I feel like I've gotten so much more here from you all. But honestly, if it's too much, I don't mind backing off on them at all.
So, from my end, I hope the race reports don't slow down and I also would love to see as many training reports as possible as well from others.
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pbm107
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gianmarco
Footballguy
After a few days rest with only an easy run on Saturday, I wanted to try again with some pace while being mindful of not starting too fast. I learned my lesson running in the 30s a couple days ago without gloves how awful that felt so I ran with gloves last night. Huge difference.
Started first half mile at just under 9:00 pace and then was able to start picking it up. Ended up running the remainder of the run at between 7:50 and 8:05ish for total of 4 miles. It was that comfortable uncomfortable zone that I'm starting to recognize. Breathing felt great. At the end, I think I probably had another 2 miles or so at the same pace so I think I could probably do a 10K around an 8 minute pace based on last night. I think a reasonable goal for me now based on last few runs is to do the 15K at an 8:15 pace. The cool thing was my 5K time last night was under 25 minutes and not far off my race effort less than a month ago yet I didn't work nearly as hard and had more miles left at same pace. Speed is definitely up.
Over the next few weeks, I'll see how things go based off of that. My goal is to keep bumping up the miles a little to get in the 20-25 weekly range. I've noticed my cadence is slowly creeping up as well, last night was around 176 and I've been in 173-175 range over last 2-3 weeks after initially being at 168-170. That's happened without thinking about it.
Started first half mile at just under 9:00 pace and then was able to start picking it up. Ended up running the remainder of the run at between 7:50 and 8:05ish for total of 4 miles. It was that comfortable uncomfortable zone that I'm starting to recognize. Breathing felt great. At the end, I think I probably had another 2 miles or so at the same pace so I think I could probably do a 10K around an 8 minute pace based on last night. I think a reasonable goal for me now based on last few runs is to do the 15K at an 8:15 pace. The cool thing was my 5K time last night was under 25 minutes and not far off my race effort less than a month ago yet I didn't work nearly as hard and had more miles left at same pace. Speed is definitely up.
Over the next few weeks, I'll see how things go based off of that. My goal is to keep bumping up the miles a little to get in the 20-25 weekly range. I've noticed my cadence is slowly creeping up as well, last night was around 176 and I've been in 173-175 range over last 2-3 weeks after initially being at 168-170. That's happened without thinking about it.
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tri-man 47
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MAC_32
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Tentatively Toledo (late April), but if winter weather slows things down I have a couple of backup plans in May.
I am doing my own plan, but it's heavily influenced by all of Higdon, Pfitz, and Hanson. It isn't final yet - on paper, but in my mind I have a very good idea what it'll look like. Planning to map it all out sometime around Thanksgiving.
JShare87
Footballguy
I know a few people in here were talking about possibly doing the Jack and Jill Marathon in Washington. I just got an email that said registration opens tomorrow at 9:00 am est. The race dates are Saturday July 28th and Sunday July 29th 2018. The race fills up pretty quick. Just thought I’d share.
