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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (15 Viewers)

Solid 20 this morning at 7:02 average pace. Last 10 all were sub-7, and the last 6 were all sub-6:50.  I think I'm ready for Indy.

Refueling with some Qdoba as we speak, and then I'm off to Miller Park for some playoff baseball and a couple brews. Let's goooooooo, Milwaukee!
Living the life! Seriously, that run was really impressive. Enjoy the game!

 
Have I complained here before about people having invisible fences in the front yard for big, barking dogs?
I don’t think so, but there is one on my route. Scared the fook outta be the first time, but ever since I give him the finger when I run by knowing he can’t touch me. Gives me a small pleasure.

 
Solid 20 this morning at 7:02 average pace. Last 10 all were sub-7, and the last 6 were all sub-6:50.  I think I'm ready for Indy.

Refueling with some Qdoba as we speak, and then I'm off to Miller Park for some playoff baseball and a couple brews. Let's goooooooo, Milwaukee!
Moooooooooooooooooooose!

 
Tracking my son’s friend at Kona Ironman. Finished swim in 59 minutes, 14th in 18-24 age group. Averaging 21 mph through 20 miles on the bike. Doing great, hoping he can sustain through first-ever full Ironman distance. 

Hoping the NBC Sports Network coverage will include a mini profile on him as the youngest competitor 

 
Have I complained here before about people having invisible fences in the front yard for big, barking dogs?
When I ran cross country in high school, coach used to take us out of town to the "country" for some longer hilly runs. Invisible fences didn't exist but big dogs did. Never met one that wasn't cool but there were plenty that made you wonder and a few that I was sure were about to eat me... 

 
Tracking my son’s friend at Kona Ironman. Finished swim in 59 minutes, 14th in 18-24 age group. Averaging 21 mph through 20 miles on the bike. Doing great, hoping he can sustain through first-ever full Ironman distance. 

Hoping the NBC Sports Network coverage will include a mini profile on him as the youngest competitor 
Through 100 miles on the bike at 20.88 pace. He is killing it!

 
Jinxed him. After that 100-mile check in, it took him 90 minutes to cover the last 12 miles and start the run. He must have blown up. Grinded out the marathon in a 12:20 pace. Proud of him for not giving up and finishing. 

I’ll talk to his mom when she gets back from Hawaii and find out what happened. My guess is that for his first full Ironman he just went too hard and it caught up with him. That’s  the kind of kid he is. But in the past I think he probably would have quit after blowing up and knowing he was going to miss his goal. Instead he finished anyway. Seeing him grow up like that makes me feel proud, even with the disappointing result 

 
After a long run, does a recovery run/hike need to be the day after to be beneficial or can it be the same day?

Got my long run in today and my SIL wanted to go for an easy hike after.  Figured I might as well.  But I don't know if that's a good/bad thing.

 
After a long run, does a recovery run/hike need to be the day after to be beneficial or can it be the same day?

Got my long run in today and my SIL wanted to go for an easy hike after.  Figured I might as well.  But I don't know if that's a good/bad thing.
These other guys can probably answer better from experience, but from what I've read, the purpose of the recovery run isn't "recovery" but when you actually are using fatigued muscles. It serves to recruit pathways and fibers that aren't usually used as well as building up the aerobic system. 

So it should be fine the same day as it serves the same purpose. You just need to make sure it's done slowly.

Here you go

 
What are you doing replying to my posts and not writing your RR?!

But thanks for the link.  Since I generally only engage in 3x weekly activities a recovery run isn't needed (per the article).

Today's hike was as slow as it gets though.  My SIL is just at the front-end of her fitness effort so if anything today's "hike" was more like a walk.

 
What are you doing replying to my posts and not writing your RR?!

But thanks for the link.  Since I generally only engage in 3x weekly activities a recovery run isn't needed (per the article).

Today's hike was as slow as it gets though.  My SIL is just at the front-end of her fitness effort so if anything today's "hike" was more like a walk.
Heh, I'm about to start. Been out most of the day, heading to bed soon and will write it up. I'm doing it on my phone so needed a nice chunk of time. 

Coming soon....

 
After a long run, does a recovery run/hike need to be the day after to be beneficial or can it be the same day?

Got my long run in today and my SIL wanted to go for an easy hike after.  Figured I might as well.  But I don't know if that's a good/bad thing.
It’s fine. I do that pretty much every Saturday.

Long run, then.....

mow the grass

go to kids games and walk up that long steep hill to the fields

move firewood

clean the garage

vacuum the carpets

build something totally random the kids wanted to build with scrap wood

chase the dog down the steet

drink beer

move the boat out so i can work on the trailer

walk up and down the stairs 372 times cleaning clutter from the house

 
Casoria Corre 10K Race Report

To give a quick little background, I'm here in Italy for 8 days with my mother as a gift from my wife. As she's 75 now, it was a chance for her to travel while she still can with me as we haven't taken a vacation together since I was a kid living at home. My mother hasn't been back here in 30 years so this was a big deal for her. Our itinerary was 2 days in Florence (where I was born and where we lived for 5 years), 4 days with family near Naples, and 2 days in Rome before returning home.

As such, going out and doing touristy things wasn't the main objective. The family we have here live in a very small town outside of Naples. While in Florence, I got the idea to look and see if there were any races when I found this 10K. It's about a 20 minute drive from here. For @tri-man 47, the others that were further away would require my family driving me there which isn't a good thing to ask. But this was doable.

We arrived Friday night and I showed them the poster for the race and he said he'd call the next morning and find out. What I learned is that you need to join this Federation by presenting a medical certificate and you get registered. After that, you can race anywhere. Reason being that all these races are insured so that if something happens to you, they take care of it. It's similar to Athlinks but you pay a small fee and you need the doctor's clearance.  But, he agreed to let me run and give me a chip anyway. We just had to show up that morning and he'd take care of us.

As I said, it's about a 20 minute drive away and it's Sunday morning. The race is scheduled for 9am so my cousin figured we'd leave at 7:30 and get stuff taken care of. I was up at 6:30, got my things together, had a little breakfast of yogurt with fruit and some coffee and we leave shortly after 7:30. As we arrive close to 8, they are still setting things up for the race and tons of people around. We go to the line to sign up and he's trying to call this guy but his phone is busy. He finally gets through around 8:15 and says he'll come meet us. Finally after a few minutes he shows up and asks where the American is, gets me a chip and a number and I'm good to go.

Btw, this race that was scheduled for 9am is now starting at 8:30. Why? Because Italy. Even though it was about 60 degrees when I left, it was already 65 and would be over 70 soon. So they decided to start it early. Seriously. So I have this chip that I have to attach to my shoelaces, get my bib on, and literally walk to the start with about 2 minutes to go to the start. No warm up or anything. But I didn't care as I wasn't trying to run a PR here. With little sleep from time change, 1 week after my HM, and warm weather again, this was just about having fun and getting out there.

Now, the other thing to understand is that every little town has its own "association" kind of like running groups in various cities. So virtually every runner here is together with others from their group, all from various small towns around here, all wearing matching shirts and all standing together in groups.

As I head to the starting area, standing near the back since it's just me, the amount of noise was almost deafening. What noise, you ask? The sound of 800 Italians all grouped in a small area and talking together as loudly as possible. It was one of the most amazing things ever. Words can't really describe it as this was unlike any start I had been around. A gun somehow went off that I could barely hear and we were off....

Video from the start of the race last year. You can get an idea of what it was like...

Mile 1 -- 8:18

With no warmup and given the circumstances, I was in no hurry. That said, even if I wanted to be, it would have been impossible. These streets are all small. And as I mentioned, these runners were all in groups that all started together. The first half mile there was no chance of breaking free having started in the back even if I wanted to. But I didn't. Remember how loud I said it was prior to the start? Well, uh, that continued for well over a half mile. It was almost like a social event with everyone talking with each other. That sound of footsteps you hear at the start of a race? Yeah, not today. All i could hear was conversations all around. It was amazing. Finally after a half mile, I found a couple openings that I was able to get through and it started to thin out a bit. Not much else going on.

Mile 2 -- 7:39

This mile went by really fast. I wasn't even trying to but because I now started to pass people to get free and break away from some groups, my pace quickened. When I saw my pace at the end, I knew that would be my fastest mile as I didn't want to try and push too much. This is also where I can mention that running in the streets of Italy in a town like this is similar to trail running. Why? With all the holes in the street and uneven areas, I had to constantly watch where I stepped or risk rolling an ankle badly. Another reason why I decided to take it easier as we went along.

Mile 3 -- 7:59

I was feeling good after mile 2, but by the end of mile 3, it was getting warmer and I could feel my legs tiring a little. Even wanting to take it easy, i find I can't do that in a race so I was working at probably 90% effort. Overall this was a run that felt really good. At the end of this mile, I could see we were coming back to the start.  I also never looked at my watch again on until race end.

Mile 4 -- 8:00

This was essentially two 5Ks. At the 5K point we crossed the start/finish line and then went in another direction. It was cool because my mother and cousin were here and actually cheering me on along with so many others. This was my first time having that in a race so it was cool. This was also the water station and they have you full bottles of water. It was awesome not having to screw around with a cup. I was able to drink for the next couple minutes, pour some on my head and keep going. At this point, I'd settled in with a few runners and stayed with them for most of the rest of the race. I felt good.

Mile 5 -- 8:15

I had no idea what this course would be like. Most of this area is flat so when we hit a pretty decent uphill here, I had to back it off a good bit. It was about a 100 foot climb over one mile similar to the hill in my HM last week. It wasn't fun.  I slowed down enough to not kill myself and hoped I'd get some downhill to finish.

Mile 6 -- 8:05

The hill continued a bit into this mile and then downhill. When I finally hit that downhill, I just backed way off and just cruised to the end. I had worked hard enough and didn't want to be tired for the rest of the day so this last mile was kind of fun. I got passed by a couple people but overall held on pretty well despite the decreased effort. 

Mile 6.2 -- 6:31

I could see the finish line but wasn't interested in much of a kick. But I did increase speed a little. And then I saw everyone around me start to really go and I couldn't keep myself from joining in. I haven't looked on a computer where I can see where I started sprinting, but because I had taken it easy for the last mile, I had plenty left. Well, this guy came right up on me and was clearly going faster than the others. Not on my watch. I broke into a sprint, passed him, and watched him try and catch up when I finished in 100% sprint effort and beat him out. He actually gave me a hug and high 5 when we finished as we clearly pushed each other to the end.

Final time -- 49:17 (7:56)

I finished around 400th out of 800. My name doesn't even show up as I was given someone's number that couldn't race (call me Pietro). I love Italy.  Considering the temp (was 70 at race end), no warm up, and 1 week after my HM, not a bad time for not giving 100% race effort. 

Afterward, I got a tray with lasagna, a chocolate dessert, plus the standard banana, water, snack. Plus, I got an awesome race shirt (I'm adding to Strava soon), towel, bracelet, and pen. And the entry for this race was $9. 

Overall, one of the coolest experiences ever. I loved every minute of it. I feel good now, toes a little sore, but otherwise, it was an awesome day. I even took a picture and some video mid race. The picture is on Strava and I'll try and post the video when I get back home.

 
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Pietro - very cool!!  So neat that your mother in particular could see you racing back in the 'home country.'  Nice bling, too!!!

 
That's a great experience! Good for you for making that part of the trip and good for the family to be there. Plus, you're in Italy! Your wife is awesome for allowing this trip to happen. Enjoy! 

What town was this race in and was the course in town or out in the country? 

 
That's a great experience! Good for you for making that part of the trip and good for the family to be there. Plus, you're in Italy! Your wife is awesome for allowing this trip to happen. Enjoy! 

What town was this race in and was the course in town or out in the country? 
Yes, pretty amazing idea my wife came up with on her own as a gift for my mother's birthday this past year.

The town is called Casoria (the name of the race) and is on the outskirts of Naples. You can see the map on Strava. It was through the town itself. All through the race you'd see people on their balconies watching and sometimes yelling out at people.  But this isn't a huge town so this isn't like running through the streets of Naples itself.

 
In Hilton Head for a week and the weather is glorious. 

I might spend a little time finding segments and getting PRs. 

 
In Hilton Head for a week and the weather is glorious. 

I might spend a little time finding segments and getting PRs. 
You know when you haven't done segments they're all PRs.   :P

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In a related note, since the weather was so nice went on my first real run in a couple years - managed 5 miles or so.  It was pretty pitiful, but the foot feels good.  Everything else hurts, though...

 
Casoria Corre 10K Race Report

To give a quick little background, I'm here in Italy for 8 days with my mother as a gift from my wife. As she's 75 now, it was a chance for her to travel while she still can with me as we haven't taken a vacation together since I was a kid living at home. My mother hasn't been back here in 30 years so this was a big deal for her. Our itinerary was 2 days in Florence (where I was born and where we lived for 5 years), 4 days with family near Naples, and 2 days in Rome before returning home.
You could’ve stopped after this paragraph and that may have been the best race report I’ve ever read.  So awesome that you get to share this experience with your mom, and an unforgettable 10K is just icing on the cake.  

 
SayWhat? said:
You could’ve stopped after this paragraph and that may have been the best race report I’ve ever read.  So awesome that you get to share this experience with your mom, and an unforgettable 10K is just icing on the cake.  
Much appreciated. 

While in Florence, we actually got to see the apartment where we used to live.  We went to the hospital where I was born. She got to see where my Dad used to work. She loved it.

And then for her to see our family here (mind you, while it's my Dad's side as she isn't from Italy, she used to be very close to them), that was icing on the cake. I got to see them even 4 years ago when I came to Italy for a few days (work trip for my wife) and we came down for 1 day. At that time, it had been 20 years since I'd seen them. But when they all saw each other again after so long.... Amazing.

And finally, when I go race, my mother stays with our kids. So this was her first chance to come and see any race. As much as I enjoyed it, she enjoyed it 10x more.

Very lucky day today. And overall... Much to be thankful for. So I appreciate your post more than you know (and @tri-man 47 as well).

 
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Sand said:
You know when you haven't done segments they're all PRs.   :P

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In a related note, since the weather was so nice went on my first real run in a couple years - managed 5 miles or so.  It was pretty pitiful, but the foot feels good.  Everything else hurts, though...
Yep. But, we've vacationed here over a dozen times. there aren't many segments I haven't ran at some point in those trips. 

Good to see you're back at it!

 
Good to see you're back at it!
It's good to finally not have my foot give out on me.  The biking is fun and all but I've been missing the variety a bit.  Bought trail shoes for upcoming hikes in Kauai (horrible humble brag there) and found myself itching for a run.

 
Solid 20 this morning at 7:02 average pace. Last 10 all were sub-7, and the last 6 were all sub-6:50.  I think I'm ready for Indy.

Refueling with some Qdoba as we speak, and then I'm off to Miller Park for some playoff baseball and a couple brews. Let's goooooooo, Milwaukee!
I think I'm more sore today than I was following my marathon this past spring...  :help:

Focus now turns (short term) to the Fall 50 this weekend.  I'm running leg #2 (6.2 miles) and leg #7 (4.1).  Basically gonna be attempting a 10K PR on that first leg, which makes me more than a little nervous, especially given that big MFing hill at the end.  Hamstring didn't bother me at all on the 20 on Saturday, but it's been feeling a little sore afterwards.  Gonna focus on recovery here the next couple of days and then try to balance my desire to kick ### for my relay team with the bigger goal of not ####### up my marathon.

In any case, should be a great time for team Premature Acceleration!

 
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I was satisfied enough with the last training cycle that I decided to not prioritize running this weekend.  

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Th 9/27 - 3x1K then 3x1200, I've had a difficult time with these workouts historically so I was very encouraged I was able to successfully ramp up the quantity and quality as this workout progressed.

F 9/28 - lunch lift, easy 5 miles after work, then two hours of yard work immediately after/not much of a recovery day

Sa 9/29 - 9 @7:45

Su 9/30 - 12 hilly miles @ 7:43, becoming a big fan of back-to-back's - this was difficult but not hard, if that makes sense

M 10/1 - 5 easy

Tu 10/2 - lunch lift + evening hill repeats

W 10/3 - 6 w/6x strides

Th 10/4 - 8 trail miles w/post run lunges

F 10/5 - lunch lift + 5 easy after work

Sa 10/6 - 13 @ 7:43 on very tired legs through some real soupy conditions

Su 10/7 - 4 easy

M 10/8 - lunch lift + evening hill repeats

Tu 10/9 - 5 "easy," friggin hot

W 10/10 - 4 "easy," still friggin hot

Th 10/11 - 8 at marathon pace (6:48)

F 10/12 - 14 @ 7:19, most encouraging part?  I was holding back the final 3 miles - 7:10/7:02/6:53.  Starting to experience the benefits of back-to-back's, I think.

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Between my being out of town this past weekend and my wife's marathon this coming weekend I had been debating all week about what to do between Sa and mid-week, but after how well I finished that cycle I decided to deload.  Took Saturday off, drank way too much before/during/after football, then scuffled my way through a poor lift yesterday and jogging out the toxins last night.  Got an annoying little bug now probably from the major temp drop, but otherwise I feel refreshed.  Hoping for SoS today and tomorrow (back-to-back's!) then I'll prep for a 10K Saturday.

 
@SteelCurtain, your commitment is inspiring.  10 miles at 4 in the morning to tip you over 50 for the week just 5 days after running a marathon.  I'm stressing myself out about getting up early tomorrow to shuffle my way through 4-5 miles (and still may not) and you're doing more than double that earlier than I am stressing myself out about on a work day.  If I get out and log it having people like you in my bubble are contributing factors.  So, thank you.
Wow.  This is so kind.  I think each of us inspire each other in many ways.

From your speed, to @SFBayDuck's mental commitment to run 100 miles, @gruecdto go from crossfit junkie to speedy likely sub 3 guy, @tri-man 47's commitment to health as he ages, to @gianmarco's learning and sharing as he develops as a runner, to @JShare87's ability to train in the worst heat for months on end in the summer, to @pbm107 being my early morning training guy (every morning I get done with a run, there is his run on Strava....almost always faster than mine :kicksrock: ), to @Ned for being a huge cheerleader and now hopping back on the distance horse, to @Bronyrelentlessly rehabbing the never ending injury, to @Juxtatarot making me feel fat when I start to think I'm too skinny, to @ChiefD battling heat and getting ready for his next marathon, to @Hang 10 to becoming a crazy biker, etc, etc, etc.

You each inspire me in so many ways.  Glad I helped you in some small way.

 
@SteelCurtain - very cool of you to do that.  Interesting to hear the amount of direction you are given.   I've only seen the Chicago marathon, but I assume that the sign you are carrying is simply a stick with 3:45 on it? Or are we talking neon with generator? 

Also, I know that this pace is slower than your usual, but how did you find the overall effort for the 26 miles and was it easy the whole time, or did you have to fight to slow down/speed up? 
Ha ha.  Just a little stick with 3:45 on it.  Its a bit annoying to carry it the whole time, but knowing you are helping to lead others, its pretty cool.

The pace was generally pretty simple.  I worked on several runs (including a 20 miler the week prior) at this pace to make sure I was on track.  I found the first 2 miles, I had to really hold back...probably excitement at the beginning.  I found that when we got to water stops, I would accelerate a bit to try to get away from the congestion and then I slowed down afterwards to let the group get back together.  The rest of the time, I constantly was checking my watch and probably 80% of the time, if I had to adjust, it was to slow down a bit.

I wasn't pushing too hard in miles 23-26.  I was fatigued, but our goal time was around 8:35 pace and I could have put down a 7:30-7:45 pace rather easily the last several miles.  Sub 7 minute miles would have been tougher I'm guessing. 

 
Signed up for 3 races today. I haven’t ran a race since May. I’ve been getting around 40 miles a week in, but the miles are slow with no purpose. Really feel that my fitness has gone down because of it. Running a half in 2 weeks, a 5K Turkey Trot, and a 10K at the end of November. I would really like to run a sub 90 minute half but that is looking unlikely at the moment. I don’t really care about the Turkey Trot. I’d also like to try a sub 40 10K, but that seems like the most far-fetched goal. We’ll see.

 
Forecast for my wife's marathon Sunday - 38 at start, only rising to about 43 by the end, party cloudy, and 8-10 mph wind that will be behind her for most of the final 10K.  Couldn't ask for better racing weather :popcorn:

 
But I may bail on the Saturday 10K.  25-30 mph headwind + gusts from miles 2.5-5 off the lake (entire race runs along side it) with a 60% chance of rain.  If that doesn't improve I may just tempo Friday instead.

 
Nah - if it were just about competing I'd still do it.  Not what I'm trying to accomplish right now.  Objective was to treat it as a good training workout and hope a PR would result too.  40 some degrees with that wind and rain while I'm already battling a cold?  The range of potential outcomes are all negative.  it isn't going to be a good workout, I'm not going to PR, and I'll only be playing with fire regarding this cold.  If that wind dials back a couple notches I'll reconsider though.

 
Nah - if it were just about competing I'd still do it.  Not what I'm trying to accomplish right now.  Objective was to treat it as a good training workout and hope a PR would result too.  40 some degrees with that wind and rain while I'm already battling a cold?  The range of potential outcomes are all negative.  it isn't going to be a good workout, I'm not going to PR, and I'll only be playing with fire regarding this cold.  If that wind dials back a couple notches I'll reconsider though.
This negative mindset reminds me of the time you were upset with the treadmills. Go out there and PR, then do a nice little race report on it. 

 
But I may bail on the Saturday 10K.  25-30 mph headwind + gusts from miles 2.5-5 off the lake (entire race runs along side it) with a 60% chance of rain. 
That sounds awesome.   

(Dead serious - love running in big winds, swimming in big waves).

 
This negative mindset reminds me of the time you were upset with the treadmills. Go out there and PR, then do a nice little race report on it. 
Nah - I'm in a great place right now.  First time since April in which I have a goal that I'm working towards and I'm stringing together a series of quality workouts.  This 10K isn't the goal though.  Not trying to accomplish multiple goals at once is something I'm trying to get away from and I think this is my first test.  The biggest issue with those conditions is maintaining warmth.  Your body has to work harder and your immune system becomes more inefficient when it's not.  And I'm already battling a cold.  So doing a race that starts and ends on a pier in lake erie with no businesses around that will be open for hours and a car that'll be parked about a mile away amidst 40some degrees temps, rain, and high winds is a recipe for avoidable problems later.  An entertaining read? Sure, and if it were my goal race I'd say #### it and run like that thunder snow sleet hail storm half in 16.  Then I'd just prepare to shut it down for the rest of the weekend and hide under blankets chugging soup to try to normalize again.  It isn't the goal race though.  And I then need to turn around and taxi my wife to and from an out-of-town marathon.  It'd be nice to check both the 5 mile and 10K box this fall, but if I only get one then so be it.  So if the conditions don't change then I'll just tempo Friday and not tempt any of those potential issues.  Juice vs. squeeze, homey.

 
Nah - I'm in a great place right now.  First time since April in which I have a goal that I'm working towards and I'm stringing together a series of quality workouts.  This 10K isn't the goal though.  Not trying to accomplish multiple goals at once is something I'm trying to get away from and I think this is my first test.  The biggest issue with those conditions is maintaining warmth.  Your body has to work harder and your immune system becomes more inefficient when it's not.  And I'm already battling a cold.  So doing a race that starts and ends on a pier in lake erie with no businesses around that will be open for hours and a car that'll be parked about a mile away amidst 40some degrees temps, rain, and high winds is a recipe for avoidable problems later.  An entertaining read? Sure, and if it were my goal race I'd say #### it and run like that thunder snow sleet hail storm half in 16.  Then I'd just prepare to shut it down for the rest of the weekend and hide under blankets chugging soup to try to normalize again.  It isn't the goal race though.  And I then need to turn around and taxi my wife to and from an out-of-town marathon.  It'd be nice to check both the 5 mile and 10K box this fall, but if I only get one then so be it.  So if the conditions don't change then I'll just tempo Friday and not tempt any of those potential issues.  Juice vs. squeeze, homey.
Well if this isn’t your primary objective, then I speak for this community that none of us are on board with your logically considered plan!

You’re telling me that Duck will throw down some greasy tots at mile 40 of a 100 just to push the boundaries of his digestive system for the #### if it, but you won’t run a 10K in the cold, wind, and rain?!  Blasphemy!

(Off the record, I’m with you.  That sounds miserable.)

 

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