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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (8 Viewers)

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Time and a place for this, but during training?  It's...risky.  I've mentioned my struggles shedding these extra 10 lbs more than once this year, but I'm really trying not to get into any sorta training cycle until it's gone.  I just need to make better decisions when I'm outside of my usual routine and stay the #### outta the pantry after everyone goes to bed.  But it also depends on what you mean when you say sacrifice fuel.
You know... Cookies, ice cream, etc.

But in all seriousness, right now I'm just eating freely. I just need to portion control a bit, cut out desserts, and especially stop the eating during my overnight shifts (my downfall). I've also upped my protein intake in the morning to try and curb some of the lunch appetite.  And finally, I wish my damn kids would finish their food so I don't have to for them.

I will make sure I get enough for my runs and lifting.  If I can get by a couple days with taking in less due to an easy day of training, I'll try that too. 

 
FWIW I dumped sugar from my diet, and that pulled 10lbs off me over the course of just a few weeks.  I still eat like I'm at Golden Corral -- yet by avoiding almost all sugar I can still seem to keep the weight off.  I'm all about carbs and protein now.  With probably too much fat, but well, you can only cut so much.

 
Just wanted to give @tri-man 47 a shout-out this morning. Thanks for giving me advice on my running form a few weeks back. I have made an effort to lean forward a bit on my runs in order to take some stress of the lower legs. I have been pretty sore in my quad and hamstring areas after many runs, which tells me I wasn’t using those muscles very much prior. My lower leg issue seems to be gone. I have sacrificed a fairly high cadence while changing my form, but I think it is for the better. Thanks again, sir!

 
FWIW I dumped sugar from my diet, and that pulled 10lbs off me over the course of just a few weeks.  I still eat like I'm at Golden Corral -- yet by avoiding almost all sugar I can still seem to keep the weight off.  I'm all about carbs and protein now.  With probably too much fat, but well, you can only cut so much.
Going high fat/protein and low carb changed my running.  Highly recommend trying it.

 
JShare87 said:
Just wanted to give @tri-man 47 a shout-out this morning. Thanks for giving me advice on my running form a few weeks back. I have made an effort to lean forward a bit on my runs in order to take some stress of the lower legs. I have been pretty sore in my quad and hamstring areas after many runs, which tells me I wasn’t using those muscles very much prior. My lower leg issue seems to be gone. I have sacrificed a fairly high cadence while changing my form, but I think it is for the better. Thanks again, sir!
That is awesome. 

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Had a couple dreams last night that my hip was really hurt... was rather depressing. But then I woke up and had really minimal discomfort this morning and was quite relieved. The mind is a funny thing!

 
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Going high fat/protein and low carb changed my running.  Highly recommend trying it.
Mind sharing specific foods?  I've dabbled in cutting carbs before, but no matter what ingredients I use my stomach revolts mid-run.  I'm low(er) carb on days I don't afternoon/evening run, but that's probably not more than 2x per week on average.

 
Mind sharing specific foods?  I've dabbled in cutting carbs before, but no matter what ingredients I use my stomach revolts mid-run.  I'm low(er) carb on days I don't afternoon/evening run, but that's probably not more than 2x per week on average.
Oils, nuts, avocados, and seeds. Not really no carbs but high in fat and has some protein. 

 
@Juxtatarot

Noticed you haven't been out every day. Is it because the streak ended? All ok?
I'm sure he's fine and is taking a long overdue break.  Or at least as much of a break as he'll allow.

Speaking of streaks, I'm starting to get my all time high on the radar again.  Got to 32 last year and am now at 25.  Given the upcoming calendar I should have no problem getting to it, but how much more I can extend it may become tricky.  

 
Oils, nuts, avocados, and seeds. Not really no carbs but high in fat and has some protein. 
Avocados are a major no-no pre-run.  If I planned poorly and am only doing an easy 4-5 then I will roll the dice on occasion, but it's a last resort.  Post-run staple though. 

Pistachios, macadamias, and almonds are a common go-to mid-afternoon.

 
Oils, nuts, avocados, and seeds. Not really no carbs but high in fat and has some protein. 
Well, the only ones on that list I can eat are avocados. The rest are no-no's with my colon issues. I think I pretty much HAVE to stay on a higher carb diet. Works well with my system. 

 
@Juxtatarot

Noticed you haven't been out every day. Is it because the streak ended? All ok?
Yes, I decided in February that I'd take it easy in April.  I've mentioned before that I've had some nagging pain in my lower abs and groin.  I  also have issues with my piriformis or some close by muscle that is revolting.  I felt like I was on the edge of breaking down the last few months and at my training limits.  Mentally it's nice to take a break and probably physically too.

My injuries are a little better but not as recovered as I like.  My new theory is the root cause might be lower back tightness caused by sitting so much working in an office and then aggravated by running.  I've been trying some in-home yoga stretches to try to increase flexibility in the lower back but I've just started that process.  

Regardless, I'll ramp things up soon I don't lose too much fitness before the relay.  I'll then have to start Chicago Marathon training shortly after. 

Thanks for asking!

 
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Man, we're going to have some fit, healthy, hungry tigers ready to go for this relay!

I can't believe it's almost 1 month away.  For the rest of you, time to prepare for RelayChat™ .

 
There's no way I could cut carbs out on top of sugar.  Won't even consider it.  My body doesn't react well to high-fat and I simply love bread too much.  Life wouldn't be worth living without bread.

 
Man, we're going to have some fit, healthy, hungry tigers ready to go for this relay!

I can't believe it's almost 1 month away.  For the rest of you, time to prepare for RelayChat™ .
I couldn't keep up with the thread the week prior to Carmel.  I'm dreading he relay!  

 
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Post Boston update — I’m doing better mentally.  I was really down on Monday night.  After going out and having a few beers and talking with some people, i realized that lots of people struggled on Monday far worse than I. The heat and humidity was very real.

i follow one woman on Strava who is about the same as me.....a bit faster on her training runs and I think quite a bit hotter too.......and she DNFed.

i ran this morning very easy.  Legs were sore and cranky but felt better at the end than the beginning.  

Race Report has been started and I’ll try to go through every excruciating detail I can for you guys.  Might not be posted until this weekend tho. 

And thanks for the support during and post Boston.  It meant a lot and helped me end my own personal pity party.

 
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Are there any lessons learned from last cycle? I know you don’t like following a schedule, but are you going to anything differently?
I don't think so.  I know there are a lot of textbook stuff I don't do right but I'm comfortable with what I've been doing and it's mostly worked well in the past.

 
I don't think so.  I know there are a lot of textbook stuff I don't do right but I'm comfortable with what I've been doing and it's mostly worked well in the past.
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting you need to change anything. I have started planning out the rest of my year and I am willing to steal new ideas.

 
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting you need to change anything. I have started planning out the rest of my year and I am willing to steal new ideas.
Oh, right, no worries.  I assumed that.  I wish I could be more helpful!

Edit: And, by the way, I always like getting comments, questions and suggestions.

 
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I started tracking all of my intake on myfitnesspal and was watching my macros closely.  I was eating a lot of carbs every day when I first started; 4-500 grams per day.  I worked that down to around half of that at peak marathon training (70mpw).  I focused on eating high fat/high protein and avoided the simple sugars, processed carbs, etc.  I coupled that with running all of my workouts fasted (it was a slow process of doing it on just shorter recovery runs and worked up to doing 20 milers fasted).  The fasted runs were running with water only - no carbs taken in during the runs except for dress rehearsal runs where I made sure my stomach could still handle the sudden surge of carbs.  

My previous races were always with a gel every 5mi, but after changing my diet and training fasted I cut that back to 2 gels in a marathon instead of 5.  It's still a lifestyle for me, but I don't track any more.  I'm probably eating more carbs than back in 2014 when I was really into it, but I am still mindful of that balance.

ETA: I stopped carb loading pre-race also.  I'm a firm disbeliever in it.
Can you list some examples of types of foods you would eat to be able to sustain your nutrition? I'm probably on a heavy carb and lean protein diet for the most part  - lots of pasta, chicken, potatoes, lean red meats, fruits, veggies, etc. Has definitely helped it out, but would like to get even healthier. 
I'm far from a perfect eater, but I do try hard most times.  I used to get mad about letting myself slip up with junk, but I've learned over time to just let it go.  It's not worth the stress of eating chick fil a every once in a while.  Spicy chicken sandwich  :wub:  

Most of my protein sources are eggs, chicken, venison, and just about any fish (I love salmon).  I don't intentionally avoid beef - it's just that I enjoy my deer hunting and usually have a chest freezer full of it  :)  .  It helps that venison is healthier.  I'll eat a steak or a burger if that's what's for dinner.  Hell I ran my HM PR on a burger/fries the night before thx to @comfortably numb  :lol:  

I completely avoid pastas and most breads - I'll have an english muffin or a wrap, but that's about it.  Otherwise I just try to be sensible with my carb sources - potatoes, rice etc are all fair game.  

A typical day:

Breakfast = 2-3 eggs in various forms (all kinds of omelettes and wraps).  I'll have sausage (pork) with a wrap or sometimes a English muffin sandwich.

Lunch = grilled chicken and cheese wrap with mustard and tons of spinach (huge fan of spinach)..... greek yogurt, blueberries (try to eat them every day), banana, etc.  I'll eat chips to satisfy that vice from time to time (weakness).

Dinner = whatever my wife cooks, I eat.  It's usually venison or chicken based with rice and veggies as the sides.  Try to eat spinach salads when we can, but we're not as good about that as I'd like (it gets boring really quick).  

Snacks = I'm a chocolate fiend - my go to is almond bark thins.  If a doctor tells me I can't have these, I'll throat punch'em.  :boxing:   Almonds, cashews, peanuts, etc - I think nuts are great.  Apples dipped in natural peanutbutter is friggin heaven.  Veggies in hummus.  Just a few off the top of my head.

I know I've posted it way back when, but I think it's so damn hard to eat clean and get enough calories in for runners.  You almost have to cheat to get properly fueled.
Bump for @MAC_32

Other random foods that come to mind that I didn't mention:

tuna, avocado, raspberries, cucumbers+celery+carrots for the hummus, hard boiled eggs (wife always makes a dozen and leaves them in the fridge for a quick grab).

 
Bump for @MAC_32

Other random foods that come to mind that I didn't mention:

tuna, avocado, raspberries, cucumbers+celery+carrots for the hummus, hard boiled eggs (wife always makes a dozen and leaves them in the fridge for a quick grab).
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Hard boiled eggs is often a go-to in the evening - it's mobile, which is necessary to bridge me from leaving the office until I can finally eat dinner around 8:30 or so.  But I think post Easter I may try to switch eggs to morning and sub-out the half bagel.

I've also gotten away from hummus for no real reason.  But I already have raw veggies every afternoon. Perhaps if I dip into hummus I'll get enough calories to stave off what I'm losing with the evening hard boiled eggs.

Tuna's also one I should integrate more often than the one-off's that I do currently.  My wife hates cooking fish, so I rarely eat it.  Maybe my stomach can handle that post lift on two-a-days with easy evening runs.

Preciated!

 
JShare87 said:
Just wanted to give @tri-man 47 a shout-out this morning. Thanks for giving me advice on my running form a few weeks back. I have made an effort to lean forward a bit on my runs in order to take some stress of the lower legs. I have been pretty sore in my quad and hamstring areas after many runs, which tells me I wasn’t using those muscles very much prior. My lower leg issue seems to be gone. I have sacrificed a fairly high cadence while changing my form, but I think it is for the better. Thanks again, sir!
@JShare87 , I'm thrilled to hear this and hoping it's truly a lasting solution.  Makes sense that you're feeling it in the upper legs, now, as you better engage those muscles and get a better reach on the stride.  While you're probably still concentrating on it during the runs, it'll all become quite natural over time.   :hifive:

 
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Had a couple dreams last night that my hip was really hurt... was rather depressing. But then I woke up and had really minimal discomfort this morning and was quite relieved. The mind is a funny thing!
had a dream that i shaved my beard completely off. bare face. 

woke up in a panic

 
Are you guys eating before every run?  And are you running in the mornings or afternoons?

I'm pretty much a morning runner, and almost never eat anything beforehand, even if I'm not going to get out until late morning.  Really the only time I do is before some long runs that I'll be fueling during, then I'll have a UCAN bar before.

I did buy some beet juice shots, a whole case of the stuff, but I haven't tried it yet. 

On the fish topic - I do eat a lot of tuna and salmon, and always have some smoked salmon in the fridge as something to just grab a few bites of or throw on top of a salad. That's a great option for people who don't like to cook fish.  Costco here sells a pretty big size (1 lb?) that's reasonable, helpful because smoked salmon can get pretty spendy.  I also will buy a whole salmon or a few fillets a few times a year at Costco and smoke some up myself in my grandpa's old Little Chief electric smoker.

 
Are you guys eating before every run?  And are you running in the mornings or afternoons?

I'm pretty much a morning runner, and almost never eat anything beforehand, even if I'm not going to get out until late morning.  Really the only time I do is before some long runs that I'll be fueling during, then I'll have a UCAN bar before.

I did buy some beet juice shots, a whole case of the stuff, but I haven't tried it yet. 

On the fish topic - I do eat a lot of tuna and salmon, and always have some smoked salmon in the fridge as something to just grab a few bites of or throw on top of a salad. That's a great option for people who don't like to cook fish.  Costco here sells a pretty big size (1 lb?) that's reasonable, helpful because smoked salmon can get pretty spendy.  I also will buy a whole salmon or a few fillets a few times a year at Costco and smoke some up myself in my grandpa's old Little Chief electric smoker.
First of all, I can't run first thing in the morning.  I know I'm not the only one ( @gruecd and @MAC_32 come to mind).  Even if I'm up early, I need to just get around first before I would consider heading out.  On top of that, just family schedule, mid morning tends to work better.  Now, that being said, I'm going to try and train smarter this summer so I may get in some earlier morning runs to beat the heat, but it still won't be first thing.

As such, I usually have something to eat when I get up.  I'll either eat a couple eggs with some rice (we eat rice with certain meals so if it's leftover it's great for breakfast) or I'll eat some yogurt with jelly/honey.  I've been adding some protein waters lately to increase protein intake in the morning to help with lunch appetite.  So I'm not fully fasting, but I'll eat that first thing, usually around 6:30-7ish.  Whether I run at 9 or 11 or even noon, that's all I'll have.  The only thing I might add before a run is a Gatorade or drinking extra water.  Now, of course, my runs aren't long runs for the most part, but even on my Sunday long runs I do the same thing and don't ever bother with fueling during the run. 

 
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Are you guys eating before every run?  And are you running in the mornings or afternoons?

I'm pretty much a morning runner, and almost never eat anything beforehand, even if I'm not going to get out until late morning.  Really the only time I do is before some long runs that I'll be fueling during, then I'll have a UCAN bar before.

I did buy some beet juice shots, a whole case of the stuff, but I haven't tried it yet. 

On the fish topic - I do eat a lot of tuna and salmon, and always have some smoked salmon in the fridge as something to just grab a few bites of or throw on top of a salad. That's a great option for people who don't like to cook fish.  Costco here sells a pretty big size (1 lb?) that's reasonable, helpful because smoked salmon can get pretty spendy.  I also will buy a whole salmon or a few fillets a few times a year at Costco and smoke some up myself in my grandpa's old Little Chief electric smoker.
I'm a grazer that recently has tried to IF as much as possible afterwards.  I always workout around 1 during the week - if I lift then I usually run around 5 or so.  Weekends depend on the season.  Right now on Saturday's I either run around 8 am (blegh) or after lunch.  Sunday's are typically around lunch.  Both of those will change late May (hopefully to that 9-10 am sweet spot) and I'm sure I'll need to adjust here and there between now and then.  But all of that needing to adjust is one reason I turned into a grazer in the first place.  Sometimes when my day begins I don't know when I'll be working out that day, so I need to have multiple different fueling plans. But generally speaking, yes, I eat shortly before I run.  And if I'm worried about making it through the workout (or if it's a longer one) then I'll stash some fruit snacks in my pocket too. 

The Costco salmon you referenced - is that just sold with the other fish/seafood? or is it elsewhere?  We usually go with 3 small humans, so wandering isn't optimal; like to know what I'm getting myself into before I go.

 
If I run in the afternoon, I'll eat lunch, but I usually try to wait a couple hours until I head out (and usually longer).  If it's going to be an early afternoon run (like 1pm), I'll wait on eating lunch until I'm done. 

I don't ever specifically fuel or take something before a run.  In fact, I try to wait as long after I've last eaten as possible.  But I also don't fast.  I just don't like how I feel running right after I've eaten a meal even though I've done it and I can get by doing it if I need to. 

 
Are you guys eating before every run?  And are you running in the mornings or afternoons?
I typically run in the morning ...first thing'ish.  If I plan to go out right away (=60-70 minutes after waking up), I'll have just a little food (such as a couple mouthfuls of HN Cheerios, or a few bites of a pastry).  The main goal is to get things moving to clear the system before the run, which is always a necessity.  I don't drink coffee, which is the more common stimulus.  If I'm running mid-morning, due to weather (primarily), I'll have a slice of toast or two ...maybe a small bowl of oatmeal.  

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Some pretty good BMFing midday today after doing a couple chores at home.  Mid-50s and a steady-to-pouring rain.  Did 7 miles with 5 miles tempo @ 7:27/mile.  The reason for this: In peak marathon training, a key workout I've used is 14 miles of tempo @ 7:30/mi (MP - 30).  I won't start formal training for a fall marathon until mid-June, but I wanted to see where my pacing was relative to that workout.  I'm pleased that I held that pace rather comfortably for five miles. #relayready 

 
I'll try to eat something (like a Clif bar) before a marathon but, otherwise, never.  First meal of the day is lunch.
Same here.  I have gigantic dinners, though.  That's usually about 10 hours before my run and seems to work OK.  Aside from the odd time when I need to take a mid-run potty break.

Starting this weekend I'm going to try taking some Huma gels before and during my long run to see how that goes.  Given that my failures have come at the 30K mark, I imagine that's when my lack of food becomes an issue.  So hopefully I can solve that.

ETA:  I stopped eating breakfast 15 years go and only eat lunch on about 25% of days.  It sounds crazy but it works for me.

 
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Are you guys eating before every run?  And are you running in the mornings or afternoons?
On workout mornings I eat some sort of bar like Bobos with coffee when I wake up and then bathroom and go. Easy runs just coffee, bathroom, go.  Longer stuff I try to eat something before as well. Later in the day runs I just try to give myself some time after I last ate and if I know I still need to run I don’t put the feed bag on all the way until after. 

 
The Costco salmon you referenced - is that just sold with the other fish/seafood? or is it elsewhere?  We usually go with 3 small humans, so wandering isn't optimal; like to know what I'm getting myself into before I go.
No, at ours it's in the same general area as the cheese, cold cuts, packaged meats, that kind of stuff.

 
It seems like I'm always eating now. Learned that under-fueling lesson.

For me, when I run during the week, it's always evenings. So I eat breakfast, mid-morning banana or apple or avocado, decent lunch, mid-afternoon snack of crackers or something, then run, then dinner.

On weekends, I run in the morning, so always peanut butter toast before I run. Then normal lunch, snacks, and dinner after that.

Seems like the extra food and continuous eating actually paid off this spring (thanks to all of you who rammed this into my skull after I was woefully undernourished in previous training cycles)

And @Zasada - are you saying you never take in nutrition during a marathon?

 
Starting this weekend I'm going to try taking some Huma gels before and during my long run to see how that goes.  Given that my failures have come at the 30K mark, I imagine that's when my lack of food becomes an issue.  So hopefully I can solve that.
I think we've already talked about those, but Huma is one of my favorites.  It's so much thinner in consistency than most that I find it just goes down easier, and I think it digests easier as well, even with the tiny bit of fat and fiber coming from the chia seeds.

 

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