The Iguana
Footballguy
Pretty sure you are the only person that has ever made an ultra sound remotely appealing. But I'm still not even tempted! Although I am in discussion with a couple friends about going back out for a multi-day 50+ mile hike.
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ChiefD
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
@Juxtatarot ...looks like the weather took a turn for the better. Wind forecast is down a bit and rain may be gone.
JShare87
Footballguy
Well said. I especially agreed with the not being able to replicate something again. I have a dream of sub 3 and that would eventually lead to a BQ, but if someone told me every marathon I ran from here on out would be identical to my last, I’d take it in a heartbeat. One of the best moments of my life that I will continue to chase forever.
The Iguana
Footballguy
How silly is it for me to get annoyed every time @gianmarco says he "can't" run a HM/marathon well? Gian, you can say you "don't want to" all you want. But the next time you say you "can't", I might just show up at your house and punch you in the throat.
I obviously still need more therapy here from @ChiefD. Where are those hugs?
I obviously still need more therapy here from @ChiefD. Where are those hugs?
Zasada
Footballguy
FWIW, my first (and only, thus far) ultra was 1,000% more enjoyable than my first (and only) two marathons combined. Actually a #DIV/0! if I want to be precise.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Direct correlation with free time (*cough*KIDS*coughcough*). That whole moving thing too. But that's only a short term hurdle. I write with confidence the want-to on the longer stuff will come some day. That day just isn't any time in the near future.
I know. As I can relate. Situations and goals aren't aligned, but that same variable exists. That balance between sacrifice and priorities - it's a delicate dance.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'll be the first to admit I'm not cut from the same cloth as most, but for me it isn't at all about competing at a particular event. I race very infrequently and when I do I try to seek out races with fast competition to ensure I have others to pull me along. Because ultimately my goal is to perform as well as I can that particular day. I really don't care about medal mongering. I could see it happening someday after I realize I can't get any faster, but I'm not there right now. My focus is on beating the old me.BassNBrew said:
The Iguana
Footballguy
No time or just not liking it is one thing. No time I can totally appreciate with his kids, work, family, etc. The not liking it part I think he has built up in his own head a little. But the only thing I have real issue with is him saying he "can't". 8:09, 8:06, 8:10, 8:02, 8:14, 8:19, 8:19, 8:42, 8:37... then followed with 9:14, 9:18 going uphill most of the time then, 9:00. That's 1:42:10 for 12 miles - and 8:30 pace basically. That is stout stuff and proves he has the ability to do a lot, IMO. So that's why I say quit with the "I can't" crap. Don't want to, don't have time to, not going to - I'm ok with any of that. It's only "I can't" that will earn him a throat punch!
AAABatteries
Footballguy
thanks GB - appreciate the kind words. I had a host of reasons for doing that and continuing to do it but 5 main ones (wife + 4 kids). I was heading down a bad path and waited too many years to make some changes. My number one goal was to get healthy and that meant some big changes were needed. I’ve made those changes so now I want to start challenging myself and see what I’m capable of.
Will start looking tonight for a race!
The Iguana
Footballguy
I like to do races as a chance to "measure" against both myself and others. I "kind of" measure myself against myself in some training runs - doing a familiar route and pushing it to see how I can do works a little, but not totally. I'm not really at the "front" of a race, but I'm closer now than I used to be. Getting PRs and/or hitting time goals is first priority but then also seeing where I am in relation to others in the race is also huge. 16/102 AG, 125/875 men, 146/1726 total is fun stuff, especially compared to the first one last year where I was 251/386 AG, 2027/3207 men, 3627/7419 total.
I like running but lack a certain motivation to do it on my own. Having a race to plan for keeps me moving. Having numbers at the end to compare makes me do more than just finish. It's totally silly but it works and it's fun so...
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m not at @gianmarco‘s level but can appreciate where he’s coming from. I honestly like the appeal of what Bass and Duck do over running a 5k and puking - as crazy as that may seem.
I think I’m going to look at a 10k this year and may start considering a HM for next spring.
ETA - I know gian said that in relation to another half or full - just I get the idea of it not being appealing - honestly, I’m just enjoying being skinny and not really injured and being able to just get out all the time
I think I’m going to look at a 10k this year and may start considering a HM for next spring.
ETA - I know gian said that in relation to another half or full - just I get the idea of it not being appealing - honestly, I’m just enjoying being skinny and not really injured and being able to just get out all the time
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The Iguana
Footballguy
This is me to a tee. I needed to make some changes. I actually signed up for a race before I really started running. The race wasn't so much a race as it was a "challenge" but it gave me something to shoot for. After doing the first one, the challenge became more about how much better I could do it.
thanks GB - appreciate the kind words. I had a host of reasons for doing that and continuing to do it but 5 main ones (wife + 4 kids). I was heading down a bad path and waited too many years to make some changes. My number one goal was to get healthy and that meant some big changes were needed. I’ve made those changes so now I want to start challenging myself and see what I’m capable of.
Will start looking tonight for a race!
The challenge of finishing a full marathon is the next chapter... then we will see what motivates me next - be it another marathon or just trying to get faster at a 5K or HM. I'm kind of already changing my mind that 1 marathon and done may be enough - might change it back after doing this one, who knows. Definitely know after Saturday that I know I have an urge to see how close to 1:30 I can get... I know I can get closer than I did then but not sure if hitting it is possible.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Yes sir!AAABatteries said:
Hmmmmm. wasn't planning on a RR but I'll throw something together for you guys.
When you pace, its a little different but I'll put it together.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Having never run with a pacer before Saturday, I'd be curious to hear about it from your perspective and about how you do it.
I really enjoyed my experience and it was mega helpful. Kind of like having a paid coach the whole way keeping me within the game plan. I didn't specifically plan to run with them before the race started but I'm pretty convinced I'll be snuggling up next to a pace group for the start of the monumental.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Fair. I just interpret the I can't as I can't given my current priorities. There's only finite amount of time and energy in the day right now and I feel like I'm stretched as thin as I'm willing to go. Given that while I can run a half right now I don't have interest in that. I only have interest in racing one. And I can't fit the time required to do that right now given everything else i also want to accomplish.
He can correct me wherever I'm wrong above though.
JShare87
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
All of this.
I'm not even sure where I said "can't".
I trained decently for my first HM. At least I thought I did. But as @MAC_32 noted afterward, there were some things that held me back. And he was right.
The first was lack of a good base. The second was training in the heat which limited how much quality I could really get in. And finally, I never had a run longer than 11.5 miles leading up to the race. On top of that, I had some inconsistent weeks (travel, other stuff, etc) so that I never really strung together more than 3-4 good weeks in a row.
Now, the weather was awful on race day and was a major factor in me blowing up. I should have factored it in more in my initial race pace and been smarter. But even with that, I was in good shape to run my first HM but not in ideal shape to race my first HM.
When I do it again, I want to do it right. This slow running I've been doing is an attempt to do that. I had 2 really good months and then life kind of happened again (our move).
I want to string together at least 3 straight months of solid mileage. I want to get in at least a couple runs of 14+ miles. But even with all that, I'm just not a sub 100 minute guy right now or close to it. In my best shape, I was hoping to run the HM at an 8:00 pace. If I can run one in that range some day, I'll be thrilled. That's my goal right now for the next time I try. But I'm not just going to go out and run a HM just to run one until I'm there because I don't enjoy the distance. There's no point for me otherwise to suffer for 2 hours.
I'm only running this 15K in November because I signed up for it at the beginning of the year. FWIW, I have a HM scheduled for March that I deferred from earlier this year. So hopefully I can run this thing and then I won't have you crack addicts on me to get out there. But training in the winter is going to suck and I don't think it'll end up going well. Ultimately, I want to run a smart race and not make the same mistakes I made the first time.
MAC_32
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ChiefD
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I thought of you as I wrote that. And whenever I start my descent down the speed bell curve I can totally see myself throwing up my arms screaming eff it- I am pulling in a masters win every weekend in a row until they have to peel my rotting carcass from the finish line.Have I taught you kids nothing?
ChiefD
Footballguy
Well la-di-da its so easy so when I am tri-man’s age I’ll just do what he does and stack up medals....
He doesn't care the same way Bo Jackson didn't care about scoring scoring TDs or hitting homers.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
I thought I was tagged in here because I lost to @tri-man 47 by exactly 1 point this week, which puts me at 2-3 despite scoring the most points in the league so far this year. I love Fantasy Football.Zasada said:Remember last week how I went out for a run when it was icy, and I fell and hit my head?
Well I came into the office that morning and did something stupid. Didn't tell you guys because I figured that nothing would come of it, and I would just go on complaining about my butt and the weather, with everyone none the wiser.
Well, I got up this morning, and after seeing that Raheem Mostert actually got me a FF win in another league last night (desperation play!), I got some other news:
Scroll down to the bottom.
I read somewhere recently a quote that is sticking in my head right now:
Sometimes the point isn’t to finish unscathed, it’s to sprint together into guaranteed destruction just to discover where you will fail.
I've been thinking earlier since I have been achieving all of the goals I set -- usually on my first serious attempt -- I'm probably not setting the bar high enough.
This should fix that.
Paging @SFBayDuck. @SFBayDuck to the white panic phone, please.
...and to properly start my 6 months of training for this, today is the first day this year I bailed on a scheduled run (trying to give my butt some recovery time). Way to kick this one off with gusto, Zasada.
Now off to the dentist.
But on to real ####....MIWOK 100K! DUDE! Happy to help however I can including a place to crash, crewing/pacing, and, of course, foot rubs.
The Iguana
Footballguy
After this, I'm dropping it... But it's a lot of little posts like the above. We've chatted about this some before, but your runs that are on strava show you have the ability to do the same runs that @ChiefD, @Zasada, and I have done recently. You could do it if you had the time and desire to train for it, I'm sure of it. You focus too much on "doing it right" rather than just getting out and having some fun. On the flip side, I focus "too much" on the just getting out and having fun and not enough on rigorously following a training plan. But I'm having fun, doing some fun stuff and enjoying the long runs so I'm ok not quite doing it "right" as long as I keep doing it.
@gianmarco - you are totally one of the things that hooked me on this thread. For starters you were the only guy posting in here that I "knew" before diving into the thread. Then you had a true infectiousness and excitement in here and you had done some things that I was dreaming of when I dropped in. You are a wealth of info from quoting back sound advice others have given you to posting links to articles and other stuff you have found. But sometimes I believe that you just think too much and need to just go run and have some fun and quit worrying about being so rigid! And quit underestimating/downplaying your abilities so much!
Maybe I have the wrong approach, I don't know. It's an individual sport but there's also the "comparing yourself to others" as a measuring stick that I enjoy. It's fun to have finished top 16% of my age group, top 14% of all men, top 8.5% of all racers this past weekend. I'll be rooting for @Zasada to toast my time in his upcoming race - but partly that will just give me something to shoot for next time I go out!
Actually Z is really faster than me, IMO. I don't think he appreciates the advantage I have running in pancake flat Indiana when comparing some times. Then he la-di-da'd a 7:08 pace 5k this past weekend end AFTER doing a 10 mile "warm-up" at an 8:22/mile pace just to get to the 5k... That's kind of insane, IMO. One of the most sobering/terrifying things I've done recently is look back at strava for his Houston Marathon - seeing him crushing that thing through about 20 miles before hitting the wall and struggling to the finish is pretty eye opening, IMO. 20 is as far as I've done and that final 10K definitely terrifies me more than a little right now!
Zasada
Footballguy
Thanks, GB!
I think the only thing that's pressing decision-wise right now is where to stay. Appreciate the offer of hospitality, but my wife will be joining me and I'm not sure she'll jump at the chance to stay with "my ultra running friend from the internet".
How's traffic the morning of the race? There are no hotels within ~30 minutes of the race, but I did book an AirBnB in Stinson Beach just to hold it for 24 hours (before I have to commit). If getting to the race the morning of isn't dicey, I'll probably book closer to San Francisco (since that's where my wife will want to be, anyway). Or if staying north or east of Stinson (instead of South) is a safer play, it would be good to know that as well.
Down the road if you do have a chance to write a short RR, it would be invaluable to me! I know you've got a lot going-on with life/work, so no worries if it can't be done. I'll definitely be racing against the cutoffs, so a good plan will be key to get me as far as possible.
In the shower this morning (where, strangely, I tend to map out my training plans mentally) I already started thinking about how I can incorporate strength training into my routine. Just signing-up for this race is giving me new motivation to elevate my training regimen. Aside from my taking a third straight day off running (butt pain), that is. Aside from that.
gianmarco
Footballguy
He actually la-di-da'd a 6:58 pace. He slowed at the end, but it was a 21:38 5K he put up on Strava.
I didn't read the rest of your post.
Zasada
Footballguy
Yeah, this is what nags at me as well. @gianmarco's learnings from his first HM are the biggest reason I did so well (for a first-timer) on mine.
@gianmarco, it would be great if you got back into it with the same enthusiasm as you had before. Can't be forced, I know, but with @The Iguana progressing so fast, I'm feeling a bit lonely in my newbness.
The Iguana
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
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I'm not sure where this appearance of lack of enthusiasm is coming from. I'm here all the time. I started running this MAF 3 months ago and went into it head first with posts about it, feedback about it, and genuine enjoyment in training a new way. It's not sexy. It's not fast. But the point is to set me up to be sexy and fast later on. I'm still enthusiastic about that. In my post above, I mentioned I want to get under a 22 min 5K. My PR is 23 minutes so that's not an insignificant jump for me. Just because I'm still not a fan of running longer races and not currently training for one very hard doesn't mean I'm not enthusiastic about my running or getting better.
Believe me, I'm not out here running 11 minute miles because it's exhilarating. It's far from it. But it's part of a longer term plan that I feel I've neglected up until this point. You did it with all your days running slow and hiking. Iguana had it from long ago as a cross country runner. Most of the other guys here had it or have built it over a long period of time. I've yet to put in the quality and quantity of long, slow miles and that's all I'm trying to do now. No way to cheat around it other than commit time to it. I don't know if what I'm doing is working but I sure am trying.
On top of that, I'm getting leaner doing this than I did my first 2 years. That's helpful to me and is helping keep me on track.
I'm bursting with enthusiasm. I REALLY AM!
Zasada
Footballguy
We're close, but only in the sense that I'm driving 50mph on the freeway and you're doing 75, and this just happens to be the moment in time when your car is beside mine in the passing lane. 99.x for my HM is going to be a challenge, I really don't think 98.x is in the cards.
Yeah if you have a chance to read my RR, hopefully you can benefit from the multitude of things I screwed-up on that race. FWIW though, I did run much slower for the first 30K of the Calgary marathon and still had a ##### of a time with that last 10K. The elevation difference was worth 5-10 minutes (depending on which website you believe) but still, that 20-mile mark is really a nut-buster.
Zasada
Footballguy
Hah, all good points. I think it's just enthusiasm for racing is what we're not seeing.
In this thread at what point do I get promoted from addict to dealer? Feels like I'm learning some of the skills of a dealer right now.
...c'mon @gianmarco, all the cool kids are doing it. You want to be cool, don't you?
The Iguana
Footballguy
You've got it, IMO! Go get it!
Thanks for the link to the RR. I have read it before when you actually posted it. I considered going to look it up again after pulling up your run on strava this morning but I'm a little scared! I'll read it again here shortly.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!??!
My 2 cents - your enthusiasm was/is contagious and thank you for that - my perception is you’ve been really busy (kids, helping wife with her running, moving, trips) and just haven’t been able to do maybe as much as before - not to mention the heat. I’m assuming you’ll be annoying us with your MAF and positivity again soon
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ChiefD
Footballguy
Zasada
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
So after spending time looking I think I found a race to do and I had no clue it existed - https://runsignup.com/Race/GA/Cartersville/RedTopAdventureRun
Adventure Run that is half of my normal route and my favorite trail I run. It's almost fate I guess. There's a 10k and 25k but I know I'm not ready for the 25k and the 10k is what I wanted so once I coordinate schedules with the wife I'm hoping to sign up. What will be nice is I'm already familiar with the course and I can go run it a few times before the race.
Adventure Run that is half of my normal route and my favorite trail I run. It's almost fate I guess. There's a 10k and 25k but I know I'm not ready for the 25k and the 10k is what I wanted so once I coordinate schedules with the wife I'm hoping to sign up. What will be nice is I'm already familiar with the course and I can go run it a few times before the race.
bushdocda
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Also this. I haven't talked about it much, but her HM is coming up in 2 weeks. Other than our June 5K, she hasn't raced in a long time. Any time we've been limited (which is a lot lately), I've been deferring so she can get out. It's hard to have 2 people getting out that often. But this is a big race and I've been doing what I can to help her be ready for it.I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!??!
My 2 cents - your enthusiasm was/is contagious and thank you for that - my perception is you’ve been really busy (kids, helping wife with her running, moving, trips) and just haven’t been able to do maybe as much as before - not to mention the heat. I’m assuming you’ll be annoying us with your MAF and positivity again soon
She's been at 30-35 MPW for almost 4 months now consistently running slowly like me. I'm really excited to see what she can do. And also a little nervous. She feels she isn't ready. I think she's going to crush it.
I think she has a great shot to run sub 1:45 (< 8:00 min/mile) Her PR in the HM was last year with me and she still hasn't broken 8:30 pace so it would be a big jump. But, she also ran last year's 15K at 8:01 pace on a brutally cold day and she's in even better shape than then. Fingers crossed....
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
